Character design Quality

James Ortiz
James Ortiz

Why are horrible and oversimplified art styles like pic-related acceptable in modern Western animation?

Why is it somehow considered impossible to have animation as good as the most popular animes that Japan brings every year?

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Ryder White
Ryder White

The West has embraced hideousness. Animation is not better off.

Eli Ross
Eli Ross

It's easier to animate. That really is all there is to it besides the fact that new cartoonists are not taught even the basics of character design.

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

anime
good animation
pick one

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

Anime is surpassing modern cartoons right now. Even if a lot of it is shit it's still more interesting to look at than cartoons.

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

Fast, good, or cheap. Guess which one studios don't have the luxury of choosing?
Why is it somehow considered impossible to have animation as good as the most popular animes that Japan brings every year?
The Japs get away with paying their overworked freelance animators jackshit, and even they try to cut as many corners as possible to save money. Especially when it comes to the popular stuff.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

Arnold wearing shorts instead of the long shirt

That is unnatural

Jace Gutierrez
Jace Gutierrez

Well, with Star Vs. and most other recent shit, it's a matter of budget. The simplistic designs are cheap and easy to animate. I'm pretty confident that the downward spiral of western cartoons over the last decade is related to falling merchandise sales. You mention anime, well, a lot of the money that anime makes comes from selling merch based on shows (this is how Gundam has remained so successful for such a long time- gunpla hits the trifecta of good engineering, good production quality, and affordable price). With western cartoons, falling merch sales leads to smaller budgets, leads to lower-quality cartoons, leads to lower merch sales, and so on and so forth.

Ugly art styles aren't a new phenomenon though. It seems like in the late 80's and early 90's you had a lot of postmodern influence seeping into animation, and a lot of the cartoons to come out of the 90's and early 2000's embraced an aesthetic of deliberate ugliness. Occasionally it worked, as in the case of Ed Edd n' Eddy. The show had a lot of hyper-exaggerated motion for the sake of comedy, and the rough, blobby character designs lent themselves well to that. But then with something like Hey Arnold, the characters remain on-model practically at all times so far as I remember, so the bizarre proportions don't really benefit the show, and instead end up being distracting (even as a kid, I thought Hey Arnold's art looked ugly as sin).

As for the Bratz image that you posted, that's just a matter of inconsistent levels of stylization. Certain details, particularly the lips, eyes, and hair, are just way too detailed/realistic for the character's fucked-up proportions. It gives your brain conflicting signals about the "realness" of what your seeing, and it ends up being jarring. I've had the same problem with most of the stuff Pixar's put out over the last decade or so, as well.

More broadly speaking, Japan's/the east's very insular cultures helped them to avoid the damage that modernism and postmodernism have done to the arts in the west over the last century. The death of beauty in western art can largely be attributed to the modernists. From a philosophical perspective, Japs aren't afraid to make things look pretty.

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

He'd boil to death in the jungle

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

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WATASHI WA BAKAAAAAAA!!!

OSHITE
SHIEKYU MAI DABURUSU!!

Jaxson Lopez
Jaxson Lopez

(Moonspeak for "I almost forgot")
WATASHI WA UIAABUU!!!

Joshua Turner
Joshua Turner

Ed, Edd n' Eddy looked aesthetic as fuck you fucking weeb.

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

Simplistic animation and character designs make it easier for animators to shit out episodes more quickly and with less work. It also allows them to squeeze in more actiony and dynamic scenes without as much work being put into making sure all the little details are right on each frame, because there aren't that many little details. It also means that when they bring in a guest artist or a new employee to work on the show, this remedial tumblr-grade art style takes them very little time to learn.

Also, they're talentless hacks who have been stuck in a perpetual circlejerk for the past decade.

Levi Allen
Levi Allen

They want kids to easily draw them, and that’s somehow more “authentic”

Ryan Garcia
Ryan Garcia

Nigger, I love EEnE. Out of all of its contemporaries, it's the cartoon that I have the clearest and fondest memories of. It's art style worked perfectly for it, I just brought it up as an example of a show that used deliberately "ugly" designs to really good effect.

Jaxon Fisher
Jaxon Fisher

are you kidding, sometimes i think that they have forgotten how to draw human proportions.

anime in the 80s, even in simplified form, they still had a sense of human proportions, that only got lost in the 90s with the likes of Obari and in the mid 2000s with oversimplification of artsyles.

But yeah, seems that the perceive "culture'' of american artsyles has a pretty messed up sense of beauty

Jackson Scott
Jackson Scott

Canadians are even worse.

Embrace the uglyness I guess.

Michael Williams
Michael Williams

dat spacing
Hey look, its a Canadian Redditor.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

have animation as good as the most popular animes that Japan brings every year?
animation as good
Japan
Yes because having 5 minutes (not including the intro, even then they still slack off) of industry standard 24fps for certain episodes is something to envy but at least the art is pretty to look at.

Kevin Rivera
Kevin Rivera

I'd argue against Ruby but generally yeah, they're far worse.

Asher Edwards
Asher Edwards

No, ist not.

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

RG looks like south park to me, honestly.

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

1) Cost/quality ratio
Animators in the west are typically either too good and therefore very expensive or terrible and affordable, which is why most 2D cartoons are garbage while more talented artists get skyrocketed into 3D animation for games and industry.
Japan has a lot of studios of all budgets and qualities and you also forget that a lot of the low quality anime you see 99% of the time is garbage and the only good stuff is copied from manga. The actual good stuff from Japan comes in every 5-1o years which makes it quite inferior to West actually if you relate productivity rates of a good 2D studios in Japan with Disney-Pixar. The rest is popularized shite.

2) Style and detail ratio
Western animators are generally encouraged to develop their own styles which greatly reduces the work efficiency of a team, since everyone has to sync up their styles. That is why western cartoons are having bigger and bigger reductions in details in character so more teammates can pick it up and work with it.
In Japan it's easy. You have 4o years of manga with everyone and their dog being able to recognize it. It has certain rules that don't change for decades so It's only a matter of picking people that grew up on certain generation style of manga and you have a team of artists that draw very close together, which drops the time spent animating and allows more details to be fitted in;

Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

The Anime Degradation.
Man does that depress still. But more then their art their storytelling has degraded even further.

It fucking blows my mind, that they are still doing Kooky "Subversions" of the mech genre with girls piloting mechs (As in elaborate song and dances for waifufags to delude themselves) when the one that did it initially was also the one that did it best. And it did it fucking 30 years ago.
They are still patting themselves on the back for lampshading tropes that where done better 30 fucking years ago! 30 fucking years of storytelling stagnation and deterioration!
Like its art style, it's like all the marble has been worn off over the years, leaving behind only the sandstone in its path.

Gabriel Miller
Gabriel Miller

I want my old anime art back!

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

I like chinese cartoons, but good western animation > good mongolian motion pictures. Animu is just too stiff most of the time.
still, shitty western animation < shitty anime

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

But simple style doesn't mean that it has to look bad. French cartoons like Wakfu and Lastman use very simple styles, but are far more appealing than stuff produced in the West. Hell, Samurai Jack had simpler art style than any of the images in the OP, but it looked much better.

Old Loony Tunes and Disney shorts are about as simple, but still more visually appealing and much better animated.

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

Le anime side mouth.

Ayden Bell
Ayden Bell

No sidemouth is a pretty big deal in japanese stuff. Its because they stand around talking and very still is why its more noticeable.

Which is why you don't need to find 40+ year old cartoons to find examples of anime sidemouth for instance.

Christopher Martin
Christopher Martin

five cute facts about jackie:
-she's a girl!
-she's an Angel!
-i love her!!!!
-Jackie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

Alright, who let the fags in ?

Alexander Young
Alexander Young

But simple style doesn't mean that it has to look bad
See my second point:
Also, they're talentless hacks who have been stuck in a perpetual circlejerk for the past decade.

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

this is a good meme though, i was thinking about it out in public and it made me laugh. its the best since virgin vs chad

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

Hey /tv/

Robert Sanchez
Robert Sanchez

now THIS is a shitty meme, it should only be used on people that are clearly pedophiles, not any shitpost

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

(nice digits)
On the other hand, the fact that it's not easy to find side-mouth in western cartoons may indicate a lack of variation in angles. In western 2d, characters tend to be presented in the same pseudo-3/4 angle at almost all times. I don't know that it's really tenable to compare western animation and anime 1-to-1. They're both 2d, but they approach the medium in such different ways that most of the significant differences between them are trade-offs rather than one being clearly superior to the other.

In both comics and animation, the trend I've noted is that, compared to the west, Jap media seems to have a much wider middle ground of "adequate competency." The vast majority of anime I'm aware of would fall into that category. They're not especially good, but neither are they particularly bad. The west seems to tend more strongly toward the extremes, with the good being really good, and the bad making me want to take an acetylene torch to my eyes, with very little space between them. I've found this to hold true pretty consistently in animation, comics, illustrated porn, etc. (i.e. a bad doujin just fails to give me a boner, while a bad western porn comic actively inhibits my ability to get a boner).

Jaxson Phillips
Jaxson Phillips

They're both 2d, but they approach the medium in such different ways that most of the significant differences between them are trade-offs rather than one being clearly superior to the other.
True.
Id say western cartoons also have weirder head shapes that look weird in side view.
Jap media seems to have a much wider middle ground of "adequate competency."

Id say the opposite. I feel like the vast majority of Anime is either awful, repetitive MUSH, or brilliant god descends from sky amazingness with little inbetween.
I feel like Western animation (At least non-indie) has less Godlike amazingness, but even in general the average effort will have more new things then Japanese animation.
Its like its 99/1 ratio of bad to good with Western stuff and 99.99/0.001 to Japan, but the good Japanese stuff is a whole other dimension of good.
And let me qualify that by saying I find moeblob bullshit or shonnen-shit so TIRESOME, especially since they spend so much time lampshading the past instead of evolving past it.

Jace Mitchell
Jace Mitchell

Could you two give some examples?
To me, there is plenty of mediocrity in both industries, but American animation tends to produce disproportionally many shitty shows. It also tends to be far more risk averse than foreign animation industries.
For every Venture Bros and Samurai Jack, there is Steven Universe, Mr. Pickles and half a dozen of other shitty shows.

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

Currently, we are in a, Id say planetwide animation drought. So, of course, everything in the past 7 years or so has been UTTER shit. The other aspect Western animation has a problem with is the whole "For kids" thing so many of my mentions exist in that framework.

Cartoon Network Between 2004-2008 had a ton of shows at the same time, and whilst not amazing many where unique and fine. Fosters Home, for instance, was never amazing and Bloo was a piece of shit, but it was a passable good-ish for instance. MLATR not great, but unique arstyle that I always enjoyed LOOKING at at least (Moreso than just some over-detailed anime fight scene that still feels just as lifeless)

But for me, Japanese legendary stuff like Paranoia Agent, get surrounded in not so much mush, but identical to a scary amount of the exact same mush. Its like the Japanese themselves. Their social norms are so much more aggressively rigid, so their works tend to follow specific formulas even more so aggressively. Id Say Tiger& Bunny is pretty good because it breaks away from the mold allot more, but MHA and OPM are great examples of the Japanese Mush. Superficially lampshading tropes then following them to a HARD T, even if the girls are cute sometimes and the action scenes can be detailed sometimes, it still takes place in a environment that may as well be arenas for all the impact they have.

Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

It's hard for me to think of examples on the anime side of things, because the "bad" ones tend to be forgettable more than anything else. They have to be really, impressively bad to leave an impression. That's what I mean by the middle-ground of adequate competency. I don't get anything out of moe-blob shows, but they generally look fine, sound fine, and are competently put together. They lose my attention because they're just dull, or too-formulaic, but technically speaking there's very little that's actually wrong with them. When western cartoons are bad, they don't just "lose" my attention. They "repulse" my attention with shoddy production, grotesque aesthetics, and, over the last few years, aggressively pushing political messages.

Grayson Diaz
Grayson Diaz

I fucked up my italics

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

Plot aside, if we focus only on animation quality, we must point out some outstanding differences between anime and USA animation (not even the west in general, as the French and the Italians have demonstrated they can use the anime style).

One thing that's very noticeable is that American cartoons tend to design characters once, and then proceed to copy the same drawings they did on the character sheet in every single scene these characters appear. In order to do so without looking weird, they simply adjust the camera angles to fit the character positions, so you end up with a vague 3/4 full body perspective for all characters. In other words, the camera adapts to the characters, not the other way around. This is made even worse by the fact that modern animation doesn't even like to spin characters around, many times because not even the fucking animators have an idea of how would characters look at all angles, so the characters just look flat and stiff. They even joked about it in Gumball, when Darwin pointed out to Gumball that he always had his head in a 3/4 perspective and the results of looking at front were more than bizarre.

With anime, this simply doesn't happen. Camera angles don't follow any hard rules and can be moved around at will by the storyboarders or directors, thus giving them a more "cinematic" feel. I think this may be one of the reasons people think more highly of anime, since it looks more like a movie, has more depth to its cinematics and allows for richer scenes, despite scenes being usually as dynamic, or even less (many scenes in anime are still shots with little to no animation, but they still manage to look good due to camera angles and movement), as American animation.

A big difference between anime and cartoons is that, other than facial proportions and female breasts (not even talking about size), anime generally uses simplified human shapes and proportions, which is usually what they teach in arts school, whereas USA cartoons, specially as of the last 30 years, tend to draw 2 heads tall abominations. Even considering differences in artstyle, the more human looking your characters are, the easier it is for other animators to pick up, since it's closer to the standard defined by the real thing, and the drawings they have been making all their life. It seems to me the CalArts smiling potatogrin style is an attempt at style standarization to make all animators agree to practice on a common style, but the standard sucks so whatever.

Now, what happens if you have ten million dollars, and give five to an American animation team, and other five to a Japanese animation team, and tell them to make a movie? The American animators will probably make a twice or thrice as long episode of the series they have been working in, maybe add more special effects, better lip synch, model hairs one by one, and hire non-voice acting Hollywood celebrities to do the voice acting. Japanese animators will grab a better animation team and add twice or thrice the usual actual animation frames for better fights, better dances and all around better and smoother movement. I noticed this A LOT when I watched Madoka Magica, the original series, and then Rebellion, the third movie. I almost had an orgasm when watching the animation in Rebellion, and you can see they went balls to the wall with the animation budget in pretty much every aspect if you haven't watched Meduka Meguka yet, go watch it, if only to be blown away when you get to watch the movie. The Simpsons movie, in contrast, just looked like Simpsons, just cleaner and more polished than usual.

Even considering those American cartoons that do follow the Japanese anime style, I would also like to point out something that's been bothering me forever about AtlA: the framerate is crappy in many episodes. You can clearly tell some characters move really chopily during slightly complicated movements. Why was that? I am going to assume "lack of budget", which is not really their fault, but most anime manage to make a lack of budget not choppy by other means, and it seems we westerners have not yet managed to grasp those techniques, even though there is a Kochikame episode dedicated specially to that, in which Ryotsu manages to save a manga studio's reputation by using cheap filling techniques to artificially inflate the panel count after they accidentally lost half of the pages of the next issue.

Simply put, it's almost like Japanese have a better idea on how to make more with less, and don't get lost in small details like modelling hairs one by one, or lip synching the characters to the point some people would be able to understand what they are saying without audio (which is really cool, but for most scenes it just gets lost).

Asher Lopez
Asher Lopez

Old cartoons had this in spare. The difference is that despite the character designs being very simplistic, the people making them and animating them knew a thing or two about anatomy and fluid motions, so they didn't stick out as too simple. This isn't even a matter of art-style, it's all down to execution.

Hudson Diaz
Hudson Diaz

It's not even a meme, it's just one autist forcing it.

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

Cowboy Bebop series vs movie is a textbook example of a high quality/budget vs low quality/budget japanese animation studio. I uploaded them soundless so you can compare clean animation without distractions.

Also Japs have a different types of "lower budget" animation. You can have a low grade studio with bad artists or you can have a very high quality studio with pitiful budget. You can spot the difference between shit tier studio and high tier studio running on tight budget just by looking at stills and character design.
Inferno cop is the greatest example of how a high tier studio can produce shit just because it's a very low budget/pet project.

Camera angles don't follow any hard rules
Also a lot of jap animators are good comic book artists too, while americans are purely animators and that alone gives a lot of advantage.
mouth animation
You forgot to consider that when japs animate, they do motion first sound recording second, while americans record the sound first then animate, which is why lip sync/mouth animation is usually better in western animation.

Also I would like to add that anime comes in as kids entertainment too. If we brought up the degenerate peppa pig tier of retardation then we could surely point out the huge difference in western approach to animation and general .

Jason Jones
Jason Jones

Just the natural progression of things.
uxmovement.com/thinking/why-rounded-corners-are-easier-on-the-eyes/
More suitable for catching toddler's attentions, and thats the crowd CN wants to build brand loyalty.

Jackson Robinson
Jackson Robinson

Yeah. Man, Anime of the past was way cooler.
I do agree that I find animes priorities better most of the times, but you're very VERY selectively picking stuff.

And in general skill level has deteriorated all across the board. This does also include Japan. That level of excellent use of motion and energy is stuff we don't get any more.
You are right. We get plenty of SWOOSHING CAMERA MOVEMENT WITH DETAILS!!!!

Ryan Rogers
Ryan Rogers

I usually notice the simpleness of art when the story is so boring that I no longer pay attention to it and instead try to find something to make me want to keep watching the show.

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

Anime of the past was way cooler
I actually don't agree with that. I think every decade brought some good stuff from both sides.
Also I don't think skill level deteriorated, the budget and focus did. The good stuff is still there, you just need to lurk more.

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

The good stuff is still there, you just need to lurk more.
…..Not really. Unless you just pussy out and say "That Retarded Girl Lite Novel show stuff counts as good stuff" then Im not seeing much good stuff at all….As in any.
I like some modern anime of course, but its like a flatlining heart monitor. Quality is getting more and more streamlined, stories more and more calcified, animation more and more rigid.

Modern anime uses allot more "And then suddenly its highly detailed!" to give the impression of good movement understanding. But its like it uses SWOOSHING CAMERAS, but doesn't have the sort of proper character proportion.

Jacob Kelly
Jacob Kelly

Alright, so how much new stuff are you looking for? Stuff past 'oo '1o?

Dylan White
Dylan White

In specific, I'm not seeing any good stuff this year and in general the year before that.

There are good stuff here and there. The ratio has just gone down significantly to like where there where 3-5 shows before, is now 1 if Im lucky.

Zachary Martinez
Zachary Martinez

Mob Psycho 100 came out almost exactly a year ago. It has a unique style and is one of the rare shows and probably the one of the only non-Slav animations that utilizes paint-on-glass animation for certain effects and for the entire ending sequence.

Chase Torres
Chase Torres

Mob Psycho 100 came out almost exactly a year ago.

Garbage. Wears a lampshade but is another boring OPM nothing (Almost like its made by the same guy). I don't care how sad the characters are about it, overpowered protagonists work mainly for comedy and its boring garbage in action, and shallow for Drama. And I already saw the best-Overpowered protagonist satire show from Japan and I have not seen anything exceed it. It was funny, it was comfy as fuck, and it didn't waste my time.
I don't want more Lampshades to cover up hollow writing.
That's the problem with anime. Its mediocre average mush is so predictable, even subversions of that mush are archetypical and 10+ years old. When anything shines out, it's amazing, but that's so very rare.

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

Which one is the best Overpowered protag satire?

Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

Tentai Senshi Sunred.
Because it does the "The Protagonist is completely unthreatened" thing and guess what: does not make it the focus of the show!
Its a Satire of the Sentai Hero Genre, and does a lot of great stylistic choices.
The antagonists are all neat because they are so charming and nice, seeing them pal around really IS the focus and IS entertaining. The fights all end with one punch…So 15 seconds are devoted to the fight so they don't waste my time with 5 minutes of buildup.
The villains try to kidnap a kid in order to lure in Sunred, but its more like they just ask politely if he can come over and play videogames, and then make him Salsbury steak, and then let him go when they find out that he has tutoring that night and apologize profusely to his mother. And then forget to show up for their scheduled fight with the hero.
Heck there IS some light drama about Sunred, but those are reserved for Season Finales, and they are more melancholy then dramatic.

Daniel Reyes
Daniel Reyes

So basically the same problem with cartoons.

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Like I said before. The Same problems AMPLIFIED. Like in a cartoon you generally get the same stock characters in the same stock scenario.

But in Anime those stock characters will be in the exact same placement type in the exact same scenario with the exact same motions and exact same jokes.

Its almost like Kabuki theatre.

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

That's nice and all, but I think he was talking ablut animation and art style. Regardless of what you think of the anime, the ending looks really nice,

Nolan Ramirez
Nolan Ramirez

Art style is meh and I don't really see the animation being used in any way that wowed me on a technical level.

Joshua Rivera
Joshua Rivera

Tell me when the US can make artsyles beautiful and gorgeous.

youtube.com/watch?v=kJdMPBqSbF8

Justin Young
Justin Young

20+ year old anime

Seems about right.

William Ross
William Ross

Rose of Versailles comes up as more adult and not just comparatevly to other shows
Adult cartoon in the US are all comedies with uglier artstyles.

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

Truth. But that's a demographic/ association issue.
Same reason why your not gonna get something like that currently because the Demographics in Japan is not there.

Blake Butler
Blake Butler

New Nekomusume a shit. A shit!

Charles Carter
Charles Carter

Its just a more boxier Disney style with shit ton of glitter and not as evenly proportioned character fundamentals. Plus the shit used for DIC animation was an American style transitioned to a Japanese style.

Andrew White
Andrew White

To be fair, I had a postmodernist guest lecturer in my Community College Drawing Fundamentals class, and the guy outright said the only thing that matters in modern art is pushing the envelope, not how abstract you get.

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Ruby Gloom looks like shit, why people defend this toon boom stuff? it is as bad/good as flash.

Kevin Thompson
Kevin Thompson

Present Disney
I thought that style got started in the 90's with the Disney Renaissance.

Elijah Murphy
Elijah Murphy

For postmodern art is it true that its good to learn it to learn what the actual art is so you can later shit on postmodern stuff?

Connor Martin
Connor Martin

Just learn art history up to modernism. While modernism is attributed as being beginning of the end, it was still based on, constructed and designed using the very same principles rediscovered during the renaissance. Pollock and everything that followed is when everything that lacked these fundamental principles of design became celebrated as fine art and pushed into mainstream consciousness by the CIA.

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

by the CIA
I think you mean by the JEWS.

Adrian Gutierrez
Adrian Gutierrez

Nose should have shrunk completely in the "future" image

Isn't that just Glen Keene's facial art style?

Jack Walker
Jack Walker

Hey /tv/

Brandon Brooks
Brandon Brooks

postmodern
art
Choose one

Truth aside, you can't shit on them because post-modern artists are as obnoxious and arrogant as they get. If you wanna do good for the art world, stop them in any way possible to become an art teacher. Post-modern artists by themselves are harmless. Post-modern artists in teaching positions are cancer that gave us the mess we have today.
I work towards being an art teacher one day just so i can stop one of them from polluting art schools even if it only means one spot.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

I think you mean /pol/.

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

How much accurate is this?

youtube.com/watch?v=0QZFQ3gbd6I

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

namefag
frederator shill
Fuck off

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

Unless you're drawing art or delivering, I'd recommend to remove your name son.

Jordan Butler
Jordan Butler

Fuck off nigger.

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

implying the little retard even has any criteria for what qualifies as /tv/ other than "it triggers me"

Chase Clark
Chase Clark

dat lack of argument

look, it's a retard

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

why are there nude shots?
japanese are so fucking perverted, I sear

Ryan Brown
Ryan Brown

This. What an obvious fail there.

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

I have no idea what the fourth image is trying to say, since it's in fucking JAPANESE.
Translation please?

Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

The people drawing the designs matter just as much, if not more so.

Nolan Jenkins
Nolan Jenkins

When anything shines out, it's amazing, but that's so very rare.
80% of every book/comic/tv show/movie sucketh~ true dat.

Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

Jackie
Oversimplified
Nigger, I'll cut you. Jackie have a lot more detail than anything in the show. Sure, she suffers from potato faces, but still.

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

HI OP
ME FAGGOT
ME BAKA
OH SHIT
CHECK MY DOUBLES
You're not very good at this, are you?
Try this:
おい、OP!
お前がファッゴットだぞ!
お前がばかだぞ!

…う、
俺のダブルズを確認しろぞ!!

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

Not all animes have the same artstyle

Isaiah Robinson
Isaiah Robinson

Agreed. It's a shame they are moving that direction. Its not as bad as potato head, but getting close.

Dylan Walker
Dylan Walker

almost noodle arms
no hard edges anywhere
oversimplified faces akin to nuDigimon
Is this the Japanese version of the CalArts style?

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

It's more financially efficient and kids are proven to not give a shit.

Cameron Parker
Cameron Parker

Misty is cuter and Ash doesn't look like an incompetent, angry white trash asshole anymore.

Leo Ross
Leo Ross

Ash doesn't look like an incompetent, angry white trash asshole anymore.
He never did, you're judging how a japanese character looks by your perception of things as an american. I never associated how Ash looks with white trash until you mentioned it.
Misty does look cuter though. But Brock looks like a fucking mess.

David Howard
David Howard

Did someone said big eyes?

Jose Barnes
Jose Barnes

lumping Hey Arnold! together with CalArts horseshit
Get a load of this drooling retard

Isaac Peterson
Isaac Peterson

Ash doesn't look like an incompetent, angry white trash asshole anymore
What?

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

You know, you think western animation in TV would try to "stand out" more by trying more eye-catching designs and/or be visually appealing to attract new viewers but it's odd seeing the same design philosophy (potato head, bean mouth, noodle arms, soft and roundish features) applied in most shows post-Adventure Time. Only studio I see not falling complete victim to this is WB Animation but CN and Boomerang rarely show them, with the exception of TTG, JLA is shown once a week and I don't know when Mike Tyson airs on Adult Swim.

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

Modernism
Not Dadaism
The cancer had already manifested ever since the roaring 20s user. While I do love and respect the surrealist movement, the Dadaistic movement is the forerunner to the cancer that is a modernism
10/10 Observation user
I think another factor to consider is that, channel-made cartoons are in a crunch since people are watching the electric Jew less and less. While budget are not the problem, rather it’s the big-wigs of the channel trying to make everything as pandering / profitable as they could rather than taking risks and adding more distinct cartoons in their library
’’’another’’’ jewlywood rendition of a jap property
DIE
The only good re-imagining of a jap media is Edge of Tomorrow and Speed Racer
Having faith in WB animation
Dwayne McDuffie is dead user

Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

Edge of Tomorrow doesn't even compare to the source material.

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

Ash doesn't look like an incompetent, angry white trash asshole

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

So they made the humans more simpler so they could make the animation better and smoother, so what?

Lincoln Smith
Lincoln Smith

Anatomy breakdowns perhaps?

William Baker
William Baker

While budget are not the problem, rather it’s the big-wigs of the channel trying to make everything as pandering / profitable as they could rather than taking risks and adding more distinct cartoons in their library

The problem is the model on which shows profit that is purposely kept in place by the bigwigs to minimize competition. Ads, Subscriptions and merchandise can only go so far in terms of profitability. The most lucrative course of action would be to sell the shows directly to the consumer instead of going through costly inefficient intermediaries. There would be substantially more profit to reinvest, resulting in better and more varied cartoons. However, that of course would open up the market to every studio, meaning more competition. So to the bigwigs, small profits are better than high profits and dozens of studios to compete with.

Logan Rogers
Logan Rogers

There was a great picture that used to float around a while back explainnig this.
Talked about how a once prominent art school known for great quality draftsmen coming from it had a total fall from grace because of spoiled brats who want every bit of shit they drop on paper to be considered "art" and as a result the spineless school kowtowed to their demands because they need the money after all and mommy and daddy won't pay for their precious retards getting Fs for Fuck-ups. All culminating in how since so few actual talented students came out it because so hard for them to find talented teachers in actual artistic fields and forced them to rely more on the narcissistic little parasites.
Though in somewhat more level terms.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

bumping a dead thread
OP, no one cares.

Carson Evans
Carson Evans

Good character design is always relevant, CalArts.

Eli Butler
Eli Butler

wah wah he bumped an old thread with an on topic reply instead of making a duplicate thread wah wah
bump and report

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

What is this failmeme anyway? I've seen it a couple of times on this board and it looks fucking stupid.

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

The whole thread was bait. It was designed to start shit, if that wasn't apparent from the beginning then there is no helping you.

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

how long until they invent AI to animate cartoons for them

Dylan Powell
Dylan Powell

Fucking Obari, man. What happened to him? Used to be pretty good but then after Gravion, his mech designs look like..well, Gravion.

Parker Morales
Parker Morales

Contrarian nonsense.

Don't forget about how to make fried chicken stew.

Hunter Smith
Hunter Smith

Yet you are agreeing that cartoons are ugly.

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

Same thing.
Hey Holla Forums.
cuter
She looks like she got hit with a frying pan. user, get some taste.

Gabriel Peterson
Gabriel Peterson

40+ year old cartoons
Isn't the whole thread pointing out how western cartoons devolved into shitty mspaint level scribbles and what wouldn't have passed for early 2000s Internet flash cartoons being the normal now?

Sebastian Scott
Sebastian Scott

Its a bait thread, what did you expect?

Hudson Fisher
Hudson Fisher

sell the shows directly to the consumer
Isn't that pretty much what Netflix does with its Netflix Originals? Admittedly they're pretty hit-or-miss, but that's what they're doing.

Hudson Campbell
Hudson Campbell

Well isn't most media production hit-or-miss anyway?
But on point, the trouble with going direct is that they're still far more likely to play it safe and go with the herd than put in the risk and effort to make something unique anyway.

Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

Hardly, as another user pointed out else where, the Netflix is model is central planning. Everyone is taxed (subscriptions) and the ruling elite (netflix execs) decide what does and does not get made. The user is only able to leave the country (cancel subscription) or not consume the services he pays for.

How I think it could work is that instead of pitching pilots to execs, they're pitched to the crowd with a kickstarter-styled fundraiser attached to their production proposal. The problem of projects holding no accountability to it's funders needs to be controlled for. Some form of deadline enforcement with incremental refund penalties or something.

Adrian Taylor
Adrian Taylor

I could never figure out, was Rogue supposed to be southern or irish?

Leo Reyes
Leo Reyes

2nd pic
I'd say 80s > 2010s >2000s > 90s
90s just looks muddy and unpolished.

Alexander Turner
Alexander Turner

replying to a 2 month old post
Real pathetic there user.

Aiden Carter
Aiden Carter

It's not my fault discussion on this board is so goddamn slow. This place is dead compared to how it used to be.

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

Southern in the comics. I never saw the cartoon, did the voice actor fuck up? How can you fuck up a Southern accent, it's basically the easiest accent to fake.

Cameron White
Cameron White

Oh she sounded southern in the cartoon, it just struck me that her green colorscheme with white hair streak seemed somehow irish and rogue reminds me of brogue

Cameron Clark
Cameron Clark

Look, the biggest problem is a lack of pipeline as well. Remember how good Ufotable is? That's because everything's done in one building, so the animators can get instant corrections with their animation, making their high quality possible. In the US, outside of CGI and 3D movies, there's an enormous disconnect thanks to everyone under the sun doing a race to the bottom to find the cheapest way of running things. Boards get done by Americans, and then the actual motion gets performed by the cheapest Koreans they can get, so of course there's no weight. Add on top of that the fact that complex designs and cool fight scenes are a bitch to animate, and you've got a recipe for being ignored. Hell, the original Fleischer Superman cartoons would've cost 850 grand per episode, and that's BEFORE animators were unionized.

Camden Gutierrez
Camden Gutierrez

Always preferred the 80's look in anime, where men actually look like men (even bishies)

Jason Thompson
Jason Thompson

No one cares what you like user.

Matthew Stewart
Matthew Stewart

Kemono Friends comes to mind. They gave the IP to a no name animation studio and they turned their shit into gold. It became a huge sleeper hit.

And then the company fired the director.

Ethan Sullivan
Ethan Sullivan

Hey Arnold
Modern
trying to start an us vs them bullshit
Everyone knows Anime is the superior medium. Pic related, a degenerate western cartoon verses fluid animation from glorious nippon.

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

Meme and Slutty is unironically garbage though.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

Being a weeaboo
hating on western animation this much

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

Hey /tv/ derailing another thread, eh?

Levi Nelson
Levi Nelson

If you have a meta issue, go to the meta board

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

meta board
Now my little newfag, please direct me to the board where meta is had.

Noah Green
Noah Green

At some point in the future when you a super rough/sketchy looking action show. Know that it was me trying to change the game.

Owen Taylor
Owen Taylor

you see a*

one of these days I'll double check my posts

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

When I fuck up like that, I just pass it off as internet speak. You know, like "I accidentally a whole Coke bottle".

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

I have faith in you, user

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

the Brock redesign
This makes me angrier than it probably should

Austin Morgan
Austin Morgan

Ash doesn't look like an incompetent, angry white trash asshole anymore
o hai /tv/ where's your complementary picture of maisie williams?

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

I just realized, Helga's outfit looks like the woman from Jurassic Park.

Kayden Taylor
Kayden Taylor

Why does it make you angry?

Leo Taylor
Leo Taylor

Different user, but I'll weigh in anyway in light of those fine digits.

Brock's vest no longer has any depth. They simplified away some of his pockets. Why? IHNI and it looks terrible.

Are nu-Ash and Brock carrying luggage? Is that why they're not wearing backpacks anymore?

Throughout, you can see how simplified the shading is. This, again, makes the characters flat. Look at the fucking bangs on NuMisty. Jesus fucking christ.

I don't like how they rounded everything, either. Original Ash looks sharp and determined. I don't know who picked these screenshots or how representative they're supposed to be, but the change in expressions might also tell you a lot. NuAsh looks like he's afraid of Brock for some reason. And maybe he should be with those spindly little girl arms he's got. The z-shapes on Ash's cheeks turned to s-es, perhaps to symbolize the watery faggot he's become.

Their noses vanished. There are no kinks in their sleeves. Good thing they got rid of all that or they might have risked creating the illusion of depth!

They washed the colors out. Why? Just to make it more insipid? That seems to be the thrust of all these changes.

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

I didn't come here to read a textbook.

Connor Murphy
Connor Murphy

Its obvious you're on mobile.

Adrian Hernandez
Adrian Hernandez

Kek

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

Old Loony Tunes and Disney shorts are about as simple, but still more visually appealing and much better animated
Old Loony Tunes were hand drawn and had characters that didn't look like a bunch of shapes molded together.

It's Pokemon; anyone still into the anime or game gives absolutely zero shits.

FUCK YOU; I finally forgot about that movies terrible idea. Those eyes on that body always freaks me out.

Cartoon Network goes out of its way to sabotage DCs cartoons so the company is gonna try and make themselves a streaming service since direct sell has worked well for them with the direct to DVD movies.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

This guy gets it

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

Of course he does, he wrote a textbook.

Chase Morris
Chase Morris

oh man, god forbid you have to read for two minutes

Christian Harris
Christian Harris

Never said anything about reading but coming from your tone you seemingly love to whine.

Oliver Nelson
Oliver Nelson

says the user that refuses to read a few paragraphs
man, i bet you whine about there being no quality posts too

Zachary Cooper
Zachary Cooper

From the looks of it, you're the only one mentioning it.

Grayson Edwards
Grayson Edwards

did you not make

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

Yah, he wrote a lot. So he must know his shit to a degree.

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

yet you whine and complain about this and refuse to read it
last (you) since you clearly are here to derail

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

Again, you're the only one whining here. If textbook triggers you so much I would have just called him an egg head.

Jordan Smith
Jordan Smith

The second example just looks like they realised the excessive shading and detailing were too busy, and they slowly slimmed it down to something more elegant and not so grotesque.

Jordan Hall
Jordan Hall

Why are cartoon girls so ugly.

Josiah Evans
Josiah Evans

When anime is ugly it's usually for a joke or an ironic style choice
when western cartoons are ugly it's usually due a lack of skill from the designer/creator, story boarders and animators.

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

Just give the stupid niglet the finger and move on.

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

I care what he likes, you piece of shit.

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

I hope you're not implying Mikochi is ugly.

Oliver Lewis
Oliver Lewis

4th pic
shmorky
I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day, hm?

Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

avatar
Was it actually japanese animated, or korean?

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

why are there squiggly lines beneath ash's eyes in the second pic
why were they ever there at all?

Michael Torres
Michael Torres

Things like that were somewhat common part of design in manga and anime until mid 2000s. Usually they are used to accentuate certain characteristics of a character, and are most commonly seen on kids and energetic and young characters. They also make design look less bland.

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

Who's at fault for the degradation of animation, and art in general?
What movements, professors or others are responsible?
I know it's the jews, but I want to know which ones did it.

Noah King
Noah King

Pic 1: an Obari mech before Gravion
Pic 2: the same mech, after Gravion

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

fuck backwards

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

What the fuck is wrong with modern animators?

Hunter Gonzalez
Hunter Gonzalez

makes fun of him but still draws noodle arms

Ian Hughes
Ian Hughes

complains about flat simple "bean mouth"
draws flat simple "sphere eyes"
Nani?

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

Ugly is the new Sexy guys!

UGH NO.

Adrian Thompson
Adrian Thompson

What the fuck is wrong with cuckchanners?

Christian Reyes
Christian Reyes

Cloverfaggots I swear….

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

namefagging

Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

Lurk more, but I'll still spoonfeed you

Long version: read everything about developments and movements in art in western world from 19th century to the '90 of 2oth century (take special care when reading about Dadaism and russian and german Avant-garde)

Short version:
two reasons:
a) Popularization of conceptual art.
Period around '7o was very popular with conceptual art.It spawned a whole generations of people that are inept at proper traditional values in art. Also a contributing factor is that most failed artists take up teaching position because:
-that is the only thing they can do, while successful artists leave and do art instead of teach.
-Current educational system answers to paper and not to true skill in the field, which is the reason why most artists with good grades are not usually the ones that do good art.
These bad artists are the ones responsible for polluting the newer generations (one professor usually teaches for about 3o years, so that's 3o generations of artists raised with bad teaching).

b) Commercialization/Industrialization of good technical art.
Due to dissonance between the academic elite and the real world, a layman has to cross a huge barrier to understand true art and to value art accordingly. In todays art industry, the people on top are these laymen that do not know how to value proper art and they end up hiring whack artists to do a shit job, unable to perceive to recognize a bigger potential or a way to get a proper artist to do the work that is worthy. Also the layman in charge, makes a product for another layman to consume which translates to a supply-demand relationship which promotes bad; tasteless artwork.

In conclusion:
The everyday man doesn't need a masterpiece in his daily life and the academic elite is too arrogant to spot this loophole.

Noah Edwards
Noah Edwards

Exactly why we need to get cuckchan to fuck off and stop shilling here.

David Thomas
David Thomas

Interestingly enough, the CIA funded abstract art in an attempt to undermine the Soviets.
Look at how free we are in the West! You can draw with no rules!

Christopher Robinson
Christopher Robinson

CIA funded abstract art in an attempt to undermine the Soviets
If you bothered to actually read about russian and (east) german Avant-garde, which you haven't, abstract art and all the theories around it came FROM Soviets. If you want to point the finger, point it at New York. NY galleries of the 20th century overhyped the value of modern/post-modern art.

And if you really wanted to put the finger on some organization, the mafia actually funds art because artworld is the best money laundering business due to prices of artworks never going down, which is also one of the reasons why the biggest galleries are in New York.

Tyler Sullivan
Tyler Sullivan

Why is there such a movement against classical art? Is it really a feminist thing?

Jason Cook
Jason Cook

You niggas really need to start reading.

Is it really a feminist thing?
Nah. It's more closely related to Italian fascist futurist philosophy ("out with the old; in with the new") and state of mind of intellectuals after World War 1. Movement against classical values in general started in 19th century and reached it's top around the '20-'30.
People tend to connect it with feminist due to time slot (the conceptual hype of the '7o) but also because they are terrible at doing anything right. Conceptual arts and related modern/contemporary genres give them a good excuse to never learn how to paint properly, which is why you'll rarely ever see a good feminist artist.

Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

What the absolute fuck did they do to that show. They all look like they're five years old and Ash looks like a fucking mystery meat shitskin now. Man I watched that shit a ton when I was a kid, the movies a gorillion times over too. Is absolutely nothing sacred?

Connor Reyes
Connor Reyes

Enough with this meme, what is so damn wrong with using my name here on Holla Forums?

Jayden Rogers
Jayden Rogers

namefagging
no webm
not even an embed
nudes
perverted
What is 90% of classical and renaissance art.
You're a real human bean user, thanks.
You niggas really need to start reading
Mind recommending some some materials to start off with?

Grayson Hughes
Grayson Hughes

I thought Shorouga was after Gravion?

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

See, I've got this friend who teaches art in high school, and he was classically trained at one of the few remaining big name places that still do that. And he was bailed up in front of his class by two dyke teachers who told him that he was oppressing these children by teaching them elitist patriarchal art skills that would make them think they were better than others. He shut them down by making the parallel that by their logic, the girl in the class who is a champion swimmer shouldn't train or swim because she's making worse swimmers feel bad about themselves. He ended up winning the class back over to his side, but I've always either assumed it was some kind of post-modernist third-wave feminist thing against the "cult of beauty", or some kind of very late backlash against classical art by artists still butthurt about the Nazis cracking down on "degenerate art" in WW2.
I made the parallel at the time to Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s Harrison Bergeron, and sent my friend an e-text of the book…
archive.org/stream/HarrisonBergeron/Harrison Bergeron_djvu.txt

It just seems like this movement against classical art and classical training has reached the point where we're starting to find it hard to get good animation and comic books.
And it's not just the art, either, I've read essays that to really create a new kind of writing for women, they have to abandon male-created concepts like plot and story. I don't think we can make a case for the present generation of female bloggers-as-comic-writers subscribing to this idea, because that would assume that these fourth-wave feminists read anything by other feminists, when clearly they don't read ANYTHING, let alone the comics they're supposed to be writing.

God, I miss Ann Nocenti. She managed to be both left-wing and feminist without being retarded about it, and still giving us a good story. Like Dwayne McDuffie and Christopher Priest managed to address racial issues without coming off like complete racists themselves.

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

I've read essays that to really create a new kind of writing for women, they have to abandon male-created concepts like plot and story. I don't think we can make a case for the present generation of female bloggers-as-comic-writers subscribing to this idea, because that would assume that these fourth-wave feminists read anything by other feminists, when clearly they don't read ANYTHING, let alone the comics they're supposed to be writing.
I suspect that theory is an after-the-fact justification for the shitty kinds of writing these women tend to do.

Ann Nocenti, Dwayne McDuffie, Christopher Priest
We didn't know how good we had it.

Jayden Jenkins
Jayden Jenkins

nude perverted classical art
Nope. 9o% of artworks from renaissance are portraits of lords, nobles, priests, saints and stories from bibles. Nudes started appearing in the late 18th century with Neoclassicism when people were being obsessed with greek and roman art. We are bashed by the nudes in popular history because they are a good measure of how the understanding of anatomy changed over time.

reading material
Start with history.
"History of Art" by H. W. Janson is like a bible for art historians. It covers everything fairly well and has a well established standard.
I also suggest reading about normal history around the period of artwork, artist or genre you have interest in to understand the atmosphere and the possible reasons the artwork was created. Reading normal history would help you understand how certain artworks came about and where it all went downhill .
In all honesty spending about an hour daily on wiki is enough for a layman to get some bare grasp of art history. As much as internet is flawed, simply googling stuff can get you some useful starting information with which you can go to your local library.

If you like a particular artwork, read about the artist and the period and culture he is surrounded in and when in his life did he paint the artwork you're interested in.
Popular art history can often overlook some very personal works by certain artists and promote works that didn't reflect the opinions of artists and sometimes even promote artworks that the artists themselves hated (for example, Michelangelo despised his work for "Sistine Chapel" yet art historians everywhere praise this as his best and most venerable work).

grimdark future of art
You burgers may be still under it, but here in Europe we're starting to get a slow but sure backlash in the last 5-1o years. People are going back to fundamentals and old-master teachings and methods are slowly coming back into being popular. Game industry brought a whole new generation of kids that are inspired by promotional and concept art of characters and environments and this is starting to reflect in art education world. Due to degradation of institutions we're starting to go back to master-apprentice relationship in crafts where some countries like Germany (yes I'm surprised too)
are starting to directly fund these kind of projects/workshops. And it's not just art, all hands-on professions are slowly stepping away from papers and diplomas and focusing more on actual product.

Ian Russell
Ian Russell

bait

How is it bait? Its a simple observation thats hard not to notice. You don't even need to compare it to Japan. I've been binging on shorts from the Golden Age of Animation, and even I can notice that there is a big disconnect between stuff from the 30s/40s/50s compared to anything after the 70s.

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

Fuck you, Space Ghost. The commies pushing it doesn't mean that the capitalists didn't also push it.
priceonomics.com/meet-the-patron-of-american-modern-art-the-cia/?as-seen-on-www.curat.io

Christian Torres
Christian Torres

I remember a story told in the introduction to a book of beautiful fantasy illustration by a married couple, they said they had signed up to an art course when they had first started, the class were doing some live model figure drawing; during the class, the teachers had filed into the room and taken up positions behind every student as they worked, and at a signal from the head teacher, they reached over the student's shoulders, took the drawings off the boards, and ripped them into pieces. The teacher announced, "That is the last life drawing you will ever do.", and the rest of the course was crawling through orange crates, because art should be an event, not an installation.

And people wonder why the old skills have vanished.

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

I agree they did, but it wasn't influential as much as mafia and other criminal organizations.
Even if I take them 8oo published pieces as granted and not just some butthurt hippie writting propaganda, that is still low number compared to 8o years of domination of one of the biggest galleries and art auctions.
inb4 US goverment is still shilling certain artworks, books and movies
I know and that's normal, especially for 'murica
spyculture.com/pentagon-production-assistance-agreements-transformers/

In my opinion it's a huge red flag when you have more art teachers than students on art courses.

Nathan Fisher
Nathan Fisher

Are you not aware that intelligence agencies and crime syndicates routinely work together?

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

Referring to this one, I take it?

Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

Yes and it's mentioned in the article you posted. What about it? Mafia still has much more influence in art world than Intelligence agencies.

Jacob Miller
Jacob Miller

Korean.

Jack Diaz
Jack Diaz

is your 0 key broken? That aside, that's a bit disheartening to know how cheap art's became over time.

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

The more and more I read it, the more of an ass I feel like for not doing as much as I possibly could've, and for not possessing the drive to do so.

Jaxson Harris
Jaxson Harris

0 broken
Nah. I have a habit of writing numbers with o instead of 0. Don't remember why i started doing it.

art became cheap
The key word you're looking for is affordable. The day everyday uneducated man can afford an art piece is the day the quality requirements (and with it the quality itself) drops.
Even today if you want a proper good artist, you have to pay big $$$ (professional rates going around 1oo$/hour).

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

The key word you're looking for is affordable
He means cheap because they refuse to use North Korean wage slaves to fill in the animation.

Alexander Watson
Alexander Watson

For reference.

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

look at all that sameface

Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

and then they fucked up the redesign for the new series coming out this year/next year. at least it's not cal-arts shit but it still looks like shit.

Easton Morgan
Easton Morgan

I will never get over that April design, not just because she's a nigger but seems like she'll be more like Irma than April.

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

and she's 11 in this one from what I heard.

Blake Russell
Blake Russell

what in the ever loving fuck is that?

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

it's the new TMNT series user, Rise of the Ninja Turtles, welcome to seeing your childhood raped before your eyes.

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

THE NIGGLET IS APRIL

Alexander Howard
Alexander Howard

THE NIGGLET IS YOUR FUTURE WAIFU, user!

Brody Johnson
Brody Johnson

Lol anime is BULLSHIT, dude.

all of the examples you showed are bullshit

Gavin Russell
Gavin Russell

here's the real question:

Q: AREN'T YOU A BIT OLD TO BE WASTING YOUR LIFE WATCHING CARTOONS?

what the fuck is your problem?

why don't you have a girlfriend?

when are you going to grow up?

I bet your mother's proud of you, huh?

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU ?

Evan Morgan
Evan Morgan

Video games & Anime

faggot

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

Why are you namefagging?

Ethan Collins
Ethan Collins

its botspam most likely

Samuel Collins
Samuel Collins

get a fucking job and move out of your mother's house…

weirdo

Leo Lee
Leo Lee

Lol you're a fucking genius.

go whine about the cartoon network, bitch. While you wax self-entitled, complaining about the unacceptable quality of childish cartoons, all the other guys your age are out there having sex with their girlfriends…

Luis Gray
Luis Gray

Fuck Cartoons…

Cartoons are bullshit, no matter how 'cool' or 'edgy' or 'adult' you think any particular cartoon may be…

They're SHIT….

and I'm an animator

I grew up making my own stop frame animations when I was a kid, using 8 mm film. I taught myself how to do full-blown high resolution 3D modeling, animation and rendering on the old Commodore Amiga and the NewTek Video Toaster.

I'm a professional illustrator, and even I say that ALL artwork is crap… CRAP… it's toilet paper. Once it's been used, it's not worth another shit.

Animation is bullshit, too. Anime is gay as fuck.

fuck you

Nolan Smith
Nolan Smith

You're an ADULT MALE

you don't have a girlfriend

you sit around on your ass watching bullshit anime, while the world passes you by.

grow up

Ayden Scott
Ayden Scott

anime & video games: the two MOST OFTEN stated reasons women give for never giving a guy a second thought

Imagine being a woman, and meeting a guy you're interested in. Now imagine discovering the guy sits on his ass watching anime and playing video games…

Would you invest your life into his?

FUCK NO

women aren't interested in dating overgrown children. If they wanted a child, they'd find a MAN to give them their own child.

Josiah Carter
Josiah Carter

It is for this reason that I state the OBVIOUS:

there is a decidedly unironic correlation between Anime & Homosexuality

Everybody knows that watching anime will make you gay. But I think at least 50% of men who watch anime were ALREADY gay. Anime isn't something a normal heterosexual male would be interested in to begin with

Daniel Ross
Daniel Ross

Not to mention Anime is THE WORST artwork on earth.

it's the complete opposite of 'creativity'

it's so unoriginal and effeminate an aesthetically unpleasing, that it's almost impossible to put into words.

it's pathetic

and only a fucking faggot would look at it and think it looks cool

Blake Morris
Blake Morris

No one cares.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Anime is a retarded infantile template

art for people who can't draw

You could teach a monkey to draw anime

as long as the monkey was effeminate

Nicholas Roberts
Nicholas Roberts

Lol @ you thinking I need people to 'care'

Faggot, I'll post whatever the fuck I want to post, and I couldn't care less WHO reads it or doesn't read it.

by the way, answer these 2 questions:

1: what's your fave anime?

2: what's your girlfriend's name?

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

Fuck yourself, you sexless little bitch boy

You can't even convince the ugliest, fattest woman to climb into bed with you

Benjamin Baker
Benjamin Baker

When the nastiest, fattest, stupidest women on earth are too good for you, when they laugh in your face, there's something extremely gay about you

weirdo

Aiden Allen
Aiden Allen

Lol @ how butthurt you are, just because I pointed out how obvious it is that you can't get laid

Eli Barnes
Eli Barnes

You sniveling little piece of shit sexually failed social midget.

Lol @ you never getting any pussy

Brayden Reyes
Brayden Reyes

You're definitely one of THE most effeminate little sissies I've ever seen.

tell me what it's like to wake up all alone in that despondent little bed of yours, day after day after lonely day ?

it must be a real morale killer….

my wife is curious which one is more humiliating: the lack of sex or the simple lack of an intimate companion ?

be honest, little guy

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

Personally, of course I say the lack of sex is the most humiliating part of your existence… Duhhhhh

But my wife had a woman's perspective, and her theory about your utter lack of an intimate companion makes sense…

In fact, she hit the nail right on the head, didn't she ?… Not having a significant other of any form must be SO defeating for you…

While everyone else has someone to share their innermost thoughts, hopes and dreams with, all you've got is the anime and another frozen pizza…

That must be so demoralizing for you, I can't even begin to imagine how you handle it day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day….

I guess it's safe to assume you wake up wishing you were dead pretty often ?

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

It's not surprising that you'd reply with another lame ass cartoon .gif

Is there anything in your existence that ISN'T based on an idiotic cartoon ?

are you able to see the correlation between the stupid cartoon bullshit and your lack of a sexual & emotional companion ?

Robert Price
Robert Price

My wife is an EXCEPTIONAL cook. she makes amazing meals from scratch, leaning from vegetarian to vegan. Delicious, with special attention to detail.

There's nothing quite like sitting down to a fantastic meal and having some laughs as we share the details of our day, then wrapping the evening up with a little fun, like emptying my testicles into her butthole…

Ya' know what I mean?

by the way, what's your favorite frozen pizza?

Owen Garcia
Owen Garcia

Do you prefer to set the table and eat like an adult, or just eat your frozen pizza right there in front of your computer?

John Green
John Green

Trust me, I've been down your road before…

until I was 16… and I've never been without a girlfriend or a wife since then….

Lucas Foster
Lucas Foster

Here's a tip :

If you want REALLY REALLY REALLY good food, try this brand… Michael Angelo's makes frozen food that's AMAZING !!!

and I'm not joking. Their Eggplant Parmesan is fucking FANTASTIC !!! it's all organic with no preservatives or artificial anything.

It's not quite like having the type meals my wife makes for me, but trust me when I say ITS THE BEST FROZEN FOOD YOULL EVER EAT…

absolutely the best !!!

seriously, buy this shit

Landon Cooper
Landon Cooper

Of course you'll probably only need to get the single serving size. The box I just showed you is the Family Sized box

Trust me: you won't regret getting this

in fact, you'll be amazed.

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

After all….. I'm quite sure you're beginning to grow tired of your normal fancy dinner by the computer monitor

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

Dude, you're such a pussy

do you ALWAYS just sit back and let people wipe their feet on you like this ?

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

Yesterday, for lunch Wendy made 100% Vegan homemade Black Bean Burgers from scratch, with vegan cheese and vegan mayonnaise…

She made a side of badass fried zucchini chips that were simply amazing

Have you ever tried vegan black bean burgers ? They're fucking DELICIOUS, dude. Wendy makes them from scratch, and they're mouth watering.

It was a simple lunch, but it filled me up so much !!… Then we lazed around and let our food digest and watched the movie LINCOLN, and she gave me some deepthroat…

It was just an average lazy Sunday

How was your day yesterday?

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Wendy makes her own vegan mayonaise from scratch, using chickpeas, garlic, olive oil, and Dijon mustard. It's fucking amazing, dude…

She's a real perfectionist.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

Q: you're a putz

I realize that wasn't actually a 'question', and was somewhere between an observation and a comment, but I wanted to make it more 'exciting' for you

Asher Cooper
Asher Cooper

SPEAKING OF GETTING HEAD:

ironically, Wendy doesn't really 'give me head', because 'head' doesn't really describe it.

What she does is a specialized form of deepthroat, where she fucks with her throat. It's a blast ! She basically gives me the green light to literally rape her as hard as I want down the back of her throat. It gets really crazy sometimes, and things can quickly take a decidedly extreme turn. Sometimes it ends up being like a Sexual UFC, no holds barred kickboxing with genitals instead of feet or fists. It's something else…

how's the masturbation thing working out for you so far?

David Scott
David Scott

What's with the insane namefag?

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

973975
973974

Blake Butler
Blake Butler

…all is lost.

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

Pokemon was never sacred; it started deteriorating from the starting gate.

Even if it doesn't look like total Calarts; everything that has been shown so far point to it being shit.

How many times have your childhood been raped so far? I lost cost for mine…

Grayson Cooper
Grayson Cooper

Its gonna be flash-tier animation, isn't it?

Hunter Martin
Hunter Martin

4th pic
I read it with Shmorky's faggy-ass voice

Oliver James
Oliver James

People with trash on their heads
You cannot say jackshit because that would be offensive and suicide encouraging.

TNMT but they have an addiction to hashpizza.

Brody Cox
Brody Cox

I'm am so fucking sick of cheek cleavage.

Lincoln Barnes
Lincoln Barnes

He doesn't know how to read the easiest language in the world

John Sanchez
John Sanchez

how many redheads are they gonna turn into niggers before people start to notice

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

I've read essays that to really create a new kind of writing for women, they have to abandon male-created concepts like plot and story.
That explains America's solo run.

Parker Parker
Parker Parker

My issue is more of how they defend their horrendous lack of skills, training and discipline.

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Easton Powell
Easton Powell

You forgot the newest one.

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Brandon Lopez
Brandon Lopez

gets worse……

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Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

jesus christ

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

"If you can recognize the character, it's on model"
Welcome to the future of animated series where after the 1st minute every character becomes a simple featureless 2d shape that represents them!

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

2nd pic
The claim that the crew is lazy is giving them a lot of credit. If they're surrounded by so much "negativity" they should recognize this claim as a recognition of potential, otherwise they'd have to admit to their lack of talent.

Isaiah Lopez
Isaiah Lopez

It's not too late unless you're dead.

David Ramirez
David Ramirez

Legit this might be why the Japs are better artists. They're not afraid to draw naked human bodies, which necessarily demands some grasp of anatomy – and infact it consistently improves it. In the west it's considered taboo to so much as think about a naked woman, much less draw one. It's practically Sharia-tier forbidden to even sketch a boob.

Juan Butler
Juan Butler

Which is why most americans cant draw a woman's body without being just a malformed dorito over a pearl bowl a la jessica rabbit, of highly stylized characters designed with abstract shapes, to hide the fact that they dont know a damn about real basic art, they dont knwo the concept of knowing the rules and playing them before you can break em.

Heck, that's the reason why childrens in cartoons area always drawn with tweek cilinders and bowl for bodies, i guess its VERY taboo compared to this

But i will give the people from the 90s this, they were at the very least discipline on what they do, unlike today's manbabies.

Juan Cox
Juan Cox

I miss the late 90's-early 2000's comic style art that shows like TMNT, Men in Black and the Maxx had

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Logan Campbell
Logan Campbell

WHY? Everybody was made to look like a grungy skater slacker shithead. Never ending cargo shorts and basecaps. No thanks.

Oliver Morales
Oliver Morales

Why is she whitewashed?

Easton Lewis
Easton Lewis

japs are better artists because they draw naked little girls

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Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

Every single one, user. Modern propaganda knows no limits, and every white figure is going to be turned into a nigger for the sake of "representation" and "diversity".

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

I can't draw for shit you should accept that like a mental degenerate lgtbqapg+

Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

Never ending cargo shorts and basecaps

lol, at least it takes skill to draw those things properly

lol

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

He's talking about anatomy
Unfortunately, japs for some reason hate giving girls proper faces. they always give them giant eyes and non-existent noses.
this, to me, is unforgivable. No amount of good body makes up for a shitty looking face.

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

what's wrong with being perverted?
what's wrong with liking to draw nude women?

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Does this trigger you?
There's nothing wrong with nudity. One of my friends grew up in Finland and he said everyone of all ages male and female enjoyed saunas together naked. It's not perverted unless you think about it that way.

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Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

That's what leftists say

Owen Torres
Owen Torres

what's wrong with being perverted?

Landon Jenkins
Landon Jenkins

The boy, note boy, has a cover on his dick, the women don't show their vagina's, and the David was deliberately given a small dick, censorship has always been a part of western art.
On a side note, fuck you mods, there's nothing wrong with political posting.

Ayden Rivera
Ayden Rivera

Europoor
That explains it.

Luke Torres
Luke Torres

SPOILER THIS

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Ryder Nguyen
Ryder Nguyen

second pic
I knew it, no man could be that pretty.

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Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

Anime has shitty animation. It's an entire genre created around cost-cutting measures. Western animation sacrifices art for animation

Robert King
Robert King

The west don't animate shit anymore and have n't really for a long time, they currently rely on cost cutting Flash trash. The likes of Disney doesn't even make full length animated features anymore and pretty much destroyed that wing of the company. West also outsource or outsourced any authentic animation to the likes of South Korea, for quite a while.

Lucas Miller
Lucas Miller

you tell me

William Perry
William Perry

Even the worst animated animes are 100x better animated than the best western animations now. It didn't use to be the case, but sadly it's true now.

David Taylor
David Taylor

the context of those statues is totally different

and in any case, underage nudity should not be permitted

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