Good games that killed their franchise

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Overall, it's still a pretty solid entry and has the most refined combat in the series, but it doesn't surprise me that series fans that wanted more of the darker style of the prior ones wound up turned off by it (though the devs themselves admitted it was a side game rather than a main series one). Unfortunately, while they'd wanted to make a proper Shadow Hearts III (apparently a prequel starring Jinpachiro and his brother in law, Keheita), Nautilus got dissolved by their publisher after FtNW, and all Aruze has done with the franchise since then is license characters to Idea Factory for a crossover PS2 game called Chaos Wars. Aruze ultimately doesn't give a fuck about the series anymore, and just tend to do pachislot these days (which admittedly they've always done; not really sure why they were interested in publishing for a niche JRPG in the first place, as they apparently bitched at Nautilus over what the hell they thought they were doing when the games couldn't compete in sales with more normal JRPGs, most likely FFX at the time of the first PS2 game).

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That one divergence killed the franchise.

Literally the last game in the franchise.

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Literally any sonic game past Sonic adventure 2

Even if we play ball i woud easily direct to the fact Rockstar has denied to return into what made SA what it was
V is what will kill the series due to dumbing down mechanics and physics to make them friendly in an big online mode

Isn't this thread good games that killed the franchise? No GTA after SA could live up to it.

To be quite honest few games can top GTA:SA
And IV was an excellent game… taking into account it was a sequel to 3 and in some ways a tech demo that was scrapped to make V
Now that's a poor game right there that killed a series
If anything IV killed GTA because it made Rockstar take a serious deviation from their wacky route, just for them to try and redirect themselves a decade later and fail miserably (in terms of creative rights)

Man, this poor game. It really had a lovely story and characters, as well as some deep shit about being a recluse I would know… it just wasn't that great of a Silent Hill game. It really should have been its own thing.

I don't see how. The entire Prime trilogy and Zero Mission followed Fusion.

kill yourself

The franchise had peaked too soon with SH2 that everything after it was a sharp decline. Not in the quality of the games but in the experience and atmosphere of SH2 that the games afterwards couldn't really compete.

MGS2 was the one that killed the series since every story after it was dedicated to picking up the pieces of MGS2's story.

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I think he means that it laid the foundation for Other M. It introduced a more linear style and had a bigger focus on story.

After playing RE0 HD I did remember why I was starting to get tired of the old formula though and why RE4 felt so good. The problem is they kept amping up with it, which incidentally is what they always did with RE, even back in the old tank days.

The Revelations games were pretty good. I'd like to see 7 take some ques from them.

I came into this thread just to post that. Glad to see it was the very first response.

Ahahahaha, no. Silent Hill 4, while different, has the best atmosphere in any Silent Hill game.

No, what killed off Silent Hill was the movie. Everything after The Room was a shameless attempt at copying elements from Silent Hill 2, retreading Silent Hill 1 (even if I liked Shattered Memories) or trying to copy the movie. The only good one was Downpour because at least it tried something different even if it couldn't hope to live up to the first four games.

Dark Souls 3 wasn't bad though. A more apt choice would have been but even then BB and DS3 more than make up for DS2.

But Final Fantasy 8 and 9 were good, how did 7 kill the franchise after that? If anything 10 killed the franchise

You're right about 9, though. I think 10 is vastly overrated and I really like 12.

:^)

I don't get it?
I haven't played DS3 yet.
What's the problem?

I suppose it is up for debate but it still doesn't change the fact that 7 didn't kill the series

Agreed.

I really liked BB but both it and DaS3 are way more linear than the other games and are much less fun to replay.

Compared to what DS1?
I haven't played DS3 but Bloodborne opens up as you progress, it might be my favourite outside of the variety of ways you can play the game, that's really my only negative point about the game compared to the rest of the series.

What's the problem with DS3, can you be more precise?

Lay the foundation nothing. It's the same fucking plot. The entire success of that game rested on people not remembering fusion even existed.

That's the opposite of a great game that killed a franchise. It's a terrible game that saved a franchise.

If you're only counting the console entries, well that doesn't work either. The PS2 games failed because they were half assed attempts to copy devil may cry.

Honestly I don't see how DS3 is any less open ended than DS1. Both have a fairly similar structure: you have to get a selection of plot coupons that take you off to different parts of the world. The first two areas don't have any branching paths (unless you kill a certain NPC to fight a late game boss), but after that you start getting to pick which dungeon area you get to go to next, etc.

This one did something worse. It helped kill an entire genre. Great game, but holy shit it ruined fps games for this last decade.

Straight out of firelink I can go to new londo ruins, the catacombs, undead burg, and the valley of the drakes. From the valley of the drakes I can go to darkroot or blighttown, and from darkroot I can go to the parish OR I can get there from the burg. And from the parish I can get to the lower burg/depths or the undead asylum. There's a ton of different ways that early game and late game DaS1 can go but in DaS3 you get one opportunity to go out of order, which is by killing the Dancer early on (which is fucking brutal so you're almost always better off just playing the game straight).

In Demon's Souls you always had 5 areas to go to after 1-1, and even in DaS2 you could do quite a bit of it out of order.

But I do want 3rd person shooters. The Last of Us, Mass Effect, Dead Space, Kane & Lynch, Max Payne.

I just don't want that alleigance to govt shit. Also porn.

Resident Evil 4 being good didn't make it bad. RE5 wasn't that good, but I used 4x4 wide tent supersampling on it and fuck me didn't that make it acceptable, pale nude sheeva.

RE1 and 2 had interesting stories. Didn't play 3. 4 only had a story if you watched the cutscenes but nobody does that who plays games for games instead of sone social thing. MGS1 ok but nothing else and in engine cutscenes don't count as cutscenes really unless they aren't any good.

SH HC was great too, except near the end where explanations tried to happen.
Alan Wake was so good people like me probably didn't even percieve it, too bad it wasn't freeroam because of the graphics made it better than life itself.

Driver 3 was great for the time, now too if you don't suck, but most people do. Expecting to win through participation.

Driver PL caved in to be like GTA that peice of shit series that shouldn't exist. Ruined because if that. Ironically GTA 5 tries to copy Driver 3 and that is why it could be ok, but I will never play that shit. Like childhood ruining youtubers who present kids shows they were told about, tryinf to make them made by disney so they feel better about the childhood they didn't have due to parents who were parasites, even feeding off their kids. Or is that the norm now, like the simpsons are ideals to aspire to. I can only say a stream of text cobcerning this issue which pertains to videogames indirectly through the players of video games themselves, influencing only the videogames that are bad as games should be nade for games and not audiences.

First person is good too. Sequels should extend games perhaps, continue till there is a good ending. Then not continue except in another title. I didn't play The Best of Us's token extention, it is likely good but The Last of those Doctors was utter perfection except for the American flag.

Extentions are worse sometines because profit seekers and or religious groups try to locate what nade something good and repeat it. Where they should just do sonething good.

And yet the game pushes you towards the Undead Burg and the typical progression.

Who cares what it pushes you towards, the point is that future playthroughs can be different because you can go off the intended path with your new knowledge. DaS3 and BB don't let you do that.

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speaking of ruined genres

Half-Life suits better for that job.

It was okay for its time, but it showed the world that you can slap epic cinematic moments on a mediocre tube-runner and people will gobble it up crazy. There's a reason why people call HL the proto-cawadoodie.

This ended up being better then anyone though it would. Aside form Dante looking like and emo faggot this is quite the fluid hack and slash

Halo may have its problems but it's still certainly a good game, there are few shooters that match its enemy variety and by few I mean I don't know of any and there's some neat sandbox shooter level design going on too.

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RE Rev2 is possibly the worst optimised game I have ever pirated. How they thought they could port that to the Vita I even and I don't like it. I suppose with enough AA it would look good. MT you piece of shit. Fucking DirectX. Large resolutions are a cancer, fucking people saying what they know noyhibg about to get money and think to themselves they fit in with something and others that are good. Fuck people who take that as a way into something too. Good thibgs are there, not for distribution, you don't have to turn into Steve Erkle to play then and he was acting too, not like his sex machine was real, couldn't even build a sex machine in his rich parents basement with infinate props. At least karma came back and murdered his alter sacrifice. His girlfu was a size queen he should have stuck with it. Tried to be hinself instead of Steve.

RE4 was better than pretty much all games. Get over your inability to praise things that are good. These interanimate objects will hurt you for bullshit. They can't tell you how they don't need you, because the character doesn't move without you untill nintendo gets it's way and you watch your kids watch some special needs iq test stumble to an ending that is a cliffhanger with strobe nonseisureinducing flickering instructing both or more of you to purchase a repeat of this franchise. IQ tests are bullshit too but if they make you feel good then your rape history brought back to current reality would only disuade you from trying to be what IQ testing couldn't understand and you wouldn't try things you truly like. I would just be scaring you into more compliance/appliance.

user are you feeling ok? im concerned for your well being.

Are you high?

>>>/reddit/

It was not bad, but no way near any DMC (except 2 that is) and shat all over the series, but it was not the SHIT Tortanic game everyone expected
Still, even if they had rewritten all the characters to make them new ones it would still be a poor offering compared to what that studio has done (Enslaved, Heavenly Sword)
One has to admit those guys have very cool art direction monkeys thou

user no.
Stop with the revisionist history.

The list goes on, it was a shit game.

fluid perhaps, but there's no fucking depth because the game was simplified so much

Lrn2read, it was better than a trainwreck, but it still was a car crash
Guess i had to point that out better so my mistake
It was a poorer man's Prince of Persia 2008, charming OUTSIDE OF THE CHARACTERS that also screwed fans of the series and it was no challenging in any way, but not a shit masterpiece like TORtanic, TES Online, RE6, Sticker Star

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Make me, you senseless gay nigger

It's surprising how many people don't pick up on the main character being a recluse. There is even a conversation you can listen to between Emily and that paranoid guy with the gun, Richard I think? Mentioning how he tends to keep to himself a lot and doesn't talk to anyone.

Say what you want, but AC2 was everything a proper sequel should be like, it had improved in almost every area from 1. Too bad the series went to shit with Brotherhood.

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I wouldn't agree with it being a good game. It's done so many sins which takes it away from a good game.

It was a fun game to dick around but not a good game.

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But the next game that came out was done in the style of the first two games. The reason there's nothing after Orta is sales/Sega in general/the series having no where else to go from Orta unless they rebooted it or something.

This is pretty true considering every game since has been pretty much copy pasting R/S/E.

Fusion was cancerous horseshit, Prime series is just mediocrity.

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too soon.

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Not it didnt, "survivor horror" was never a real thing until all thiose shit steam early acess games. Resident evil was always an action game with a shitty B movie story.

What killed Resident Evil was Capcom wanting thier own Call of Duty like every jew does nowadays, a very accessible casual game that they could rehash yearly.

You fags are dumb as fuck, no wonder gaming turned into shit if Holla Forums is supossed to be the "smart" gamers.

Mayhaps he simply actually plays games instead of just spouting the memes.

just shut up

RE6 was 4 years ago.

Who invited Reddit?

If it hadnt been panned you can bet your ass we would be on Resident Evil 10 already

You mean if Capcuck wasn't going bankrupt and made something worth of value over the past 4 years besides Monster Hunter.

As someone who last completed Pearl (and thought it was mediocre), completely skipped the B&W bullshit and tried Y after that break, it was really jarring at just how downhill it had all gone. Coming back to Omega Ruby is a lot more bareable than what the new games are. It's still not as good as the original RSE, but when you have to carry around the disaster that was B&W, what can you do?

Nobody says that

6 actually sold well, but as greedy as jew are even them arent dumb enough to try to resell something that was panned like that.
That handheld crap "revelations" was how they tested the waters wihtout risking the main franchise, they could as easily have pumped up more main games.

Its wasnt dmc4 that killed it. We all know it was capcom who killed it before it could even get a good try.

SF3
Got rid of the old guard, thinking that they could strike gold again with a complete cast change
Made it KOf-ish with the universal overhead hops and super-jumps.
parry made single-hit fireball useless
no console version for a long time due to hardware
Unbalanced; big gaps in tiers

Best of the series. And should have stopped at it.

I agree. They aimed for a one men army than stealth and killing. Having you more option on the weapon is fine but have to be shit since you get master on the hidden blade

[Any game that got extremely popular and brought the series into the mainstream]

lol what is this nigga going on about, since the first game there is zero stealth and you kill everyone with a one button counter

This was the best in the series, merely for allowing the player to play in the infinetly better 3rd person perspective that the previous games did not allow you to use

pff that's retarded, Persona 4 was even better than the 3rd, and 5 looks like it's shaping up to be even better

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I had a hard time completing Alpha sapphire, not sure why, just lost interest. I can pick up X any time though, i found it to be the best time i've had with pokemon since gold/silver.

this is the biggest offender, not just its own franchise but the fucking ENTIRE genre is gone.

Tree of Savior the supposed spiritual successor to Ragnarok Online is filled with quests and restrictive trade mechanics (thankfully no soulbound yet…)

It wasn't bad, but there's no way it can live up to BB.

No I'd say he is right.

Resident Evil 4 is a shit of a game. Never understood why it got so popular.

Resident Evil 2? Now That's the best one of the series.

Black & White and their sequels were by far the best Pokemon games. I actually came in this thread to post B&W.

Maybe so, but they pale in comparison to the original triology.

Admittedly BW and B2W2 are a bit hit or miss (especially in the monster design department), but I certainly liked them well enough, and the OST alone had a good number of really enjoyable songs. Not sure I'd call them the best or anything, but they were pretty solid in my opinion, aside from being a bit lacking in post game content.

It is a bit annoying that various features were locked to Dream World though, which is now defunct.

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this is retarded.

DeS was good
DaS was good
DaS2 was shit
BB was good
DaS3 was shit

the creator didnt want 2 or 3 to happen. he wanted de, da, and bb to happen. and those are the only good ones.

prime is one of the worst games i've ever played.

well… i guess it could be fun, for someone that needs an FPS to lock on to enemies and they enjoy scanning shit. maybe someone severely autistic or a baby thats never played a game before.

B&W were so terrible they were my last pokemon games. Fuck those pieces of shit. Worst monster designs, worst world design, terrible plot, no endgame. Fuck those abortions.

Found the retard

You lack imagination, and taste.

It's still better made than most modern games. Graphics hold up. It's an adventure title with a first person perspective, not an FPS like the stock unreal engine 2 shovelware that was being peddled on the xbox and PC at the time it came out.

2 was mediocre however, and liked 3 even less.

In a very literal sense, Metroid Prime is a First Person Shooter.

A sports game doesn't stop being a sports game because "It's just such an emotional immersive experience for me". Game genre's are literal descriptions of how they are played, not a description of their quality.

Found the retard.

Found the person who hasn't played the game

Shit taste confirmed

That's cute that you never played the game

I'd say Half-life 2 is worse in that regard. HL1 may be a linear experience, but 2 is where the modern sins of FPSes began in earnest, namely with the game stopping itself every 20 minutes for characters yammer on about a story and you're forced to watch it while throwing physics shit in everyone's face. Don't forget taking away player urgency by making allies unkillable, where as in HL1 you kill scientists and barneys in Black Mesa.

Fuck off reddit, DmC ate shit.

its actually a first person scanner. to be fair. and the game sucks. only nintendo fanboys can show love for it

ps2 was alive and well when prime came out. go look up what games game out in 2002 to confirm your shit taste at the time. ratchet and clank, gta vice city, and timesplitters 2 all came out right before prime launched. your nintendo loyalty is showing.

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hl2 went full retard, but hl1 planted the seed.

Came here to post this. For all of its "refinement", GTA V was really underwhelming.

kid, i can smell your diapers

pathetic tbh

RE4 → RE5 = 4 years
RE5 → RE6 = 3 years
RE6 → RE7 = 4 years and counting

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Final Fantasy 7 started the trend of Final Sci-Fi.

I actually find MGS4 improves on some of 3's game mechanics (like OctoCamo suit, the more varied weapons/gadgets, and some changes to movement controls), so I don't totally agree with this. MGS3 is still great though, and MGS4 is by no means perfect- so I could see why you would feel it would be a good conclusion to the series.

This is a very thought-provoking thread topic. I'm giving this a bump, haven't read the thread itself yet, hopefully you retards didn't ruin it by whining that RE4 isn't a good game and other my opinion > your opinion bullshit.

How'd Burnout Paradise ruin Burnout? It's the only Burnout Game I've played.

Really? I thought 2 was much tighter.

Final Fantasy 8 is probably the most underrated game ever made. 12 was legitimately horrible and I genuinely don't see how anybody could like it.

That's easy, user.

You have shit taste.

Ayup.

Play the original Personas, faggot.

Covenant's a very good game too. FtNW though has a few tweaks to make things a bit more balanced in combat, such as the Stock system preventing the player from comboing stuff to death as easily, considering that in Covenant the only drawback to doing that all the time (at against single enemies, which most boss fights are) is that if you screw up it leaves everyone close together to get blasted by spells, since positioning is a factor for those. With FtNW, stock factors into the ability to not only do combos, but double actions, D-Combos, and the ability to drain the enemy's own stock so they can't fuck you up in turn. Creates a sense of needing to weigh the risk more.

Real shame we didn't get Shadow Hearts III. I'd have loved to have seen another dark entry in the series (compared to how light FtNW is in comparison to the earlier games), but with the more refined combat of FtNW, but that won't happen unless Kato and Machida has wrested the series rights away from Aruze.

Says the faggot that likes FF12. Yuck.

Wouldn't Resident Evil 5 be the one that ruined the franchise?

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says the fag that likes ff8, holy shit nigger what are you doing

he's having better taste than you

niggers how fucking dense are you, the entire frat-boy MLG subculture and geek chic bullshit all spawned from goddamned Halo

it was a fun enough game in co-op but the story and actual gameplay were and will always be sub-par

fam I never said it was a classic, I just said that it was a good game. A solid 7/10 like republic commando or timeshift.

YOU WANNA FUCKIN GO BRUH

i actually liked 12 which i know is going to invalidate any of my other opinions on games but it is what it is

i liked the story and universe because ivalice is always fun to be in, and i think they had enough eye candy and lore service to please everyone - bangaa, moogles, all the things you like are there. vaan was a faggot but let's be real with each other here, every final fantasy protagonist since ffiv has been an insufferable cunt. basch was badass enough to make up for it, fran has a great bunny ass and her and balthier are basically han solo and chewbacca with more olde-english fashion sense.

i liked programming gambits, because the way i saw it i was just automating something i always would have done myself anyways. i mean, "if enemy=weak to fire then cast=fira" is a natural thing you're going to want to do probably 90% of the time, and for that 10% where you need your mage to do something else you can just take manual control. i liked it a lot, and the zodiac edition fixed basically everything i didn't like the first time around

BB
Ah man tell me about the brilliant chalice dungeons that repeat the same rooms, or the widely varied "mash R1" combat that BB has (that's the same combat as all Souls games, I'm not holding BB as the sole propagator of this, I'm just saying souls melee combat is mash R1 the game). Armor does literally nothing, consumables are completely OP, and the guns were completely useless outside of bosses that could be parried even if you build BT. One exception to the guns being useless rule was the rifle spear but that was so OP it got patched out

Not a ruined franchise to some but if Melee wasn't so "good" then there wouldn't be such an annoying fanbase om both sides. Hate games that are "happy accidents" which can't be matched in quality ever again.

how did nintendo get so stupid all of a sudden?

user dont hate a game for its fanbase. those are always terrible. every single one of them

Wow, youre either really bad at games, or you never played it.
Chalice dungeons were an afterthought. the main game is good even if they completely removed chalice dungeons. it added a few bosses and enemies that had no place in the game otherwise, it didnt take away anything from the game. thats like saying a fighting game is bad because they added an endurance mode.

"mash r1" … yea, thats not going to work most of the time, have you ever played this game?.

its mostly fashionborne. its a horizontal scaling of armor. armor doesnt get better, just more varied. equipping armor strong against blunt is helpful with certain bosses and enemies, or armor with frenzy resistance is also useful.

Consumables were op? you mean vials? they werent op… using them can get you parried, but i guess 20 is too many, although i still hear people complain about having to farm them.

the guns are used for parrying and stunning enemies. every enemy in the game can be parried. BT builds are about BT weapons, not turning the game into a TPS.

the "rifle spear" wasnt useful, it was massively OP because of a glitch. putting certain gems on them caused it to do the math wrong and would add damage per pellet instead of damage per attack making a low level one with the proper gems take out any boss or pvp opponent in 1-2 attacks. the fix made it so the gems added damage as they were intended to.

The problem with challice dungeons is that to get to the only decent part of the chalice dungeons is 7 dungeons in, and they reuse shit.
Mash R1 totally does work literally the entire time. I mean hell the only reason you see speedruns hit R1 L1 is that they use Beast Blood pellets to maximize damage
The consumables I was talking about were Beast Blood Pellets and Papers btw.

They fixed the rifle spear and by extension made every gun useless on bosses that can't be staggered via bullets. They also nerfed the cannon into the ground because they didn't want guns to be useful period

Wii Sports sold a shitload, and convinced them that every game needed to be bland and simplistic.

but theyve made games since then that werent bland and simplistic

Which is retarded because it came packaged with the console.

well then thats probably not the case

People wanted good games. Did you ever even play RE 1 or 2? They were fucking shit. They looked good and were "cinematic" as fuck, but holy shit they were some of the most boring games to actually play.

I don't know if you're blinded by nostalgia or if you're pining for some sort of "golden age" you missed, but you're wrong and you should feel bad.

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Not just the genre user it killed off the whole warcraft franchise
I've never seen such a blood thirsty piece of shit

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