Another Liberal Hate Thread

So what? We don't abandon definitions just because retards use them wrong.

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Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and
economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer.
But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same
effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is
rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and
inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it
easier for us to have foolish thoughts.

I've got little to no stance on it, but other than words describing specific, technical things and systems (which, in the case of liberal, socialist, etc. they tend to), I do agree that it's a bit futile railing against how people use it today. Languages change, a lot.

"Liberal", though, specifically in the US is one nutty lone case by itself. When someone is referred to as a liberal, elsewhere, it typically means a capitalist. A conservative. This isn't just a reflection of the spectrum of the US being so far to the 'right', it's a complete warping of it.

Same as, Libertarian. Another word that turned into a nutcase, in the US. These are definitions that have been warped over decades. (libertarian, intentionally so)

tl;dr: burgerland is under magic spell

The thing which I hate most about Liberals is that their political opinions is first and foremost a fashion statement.

Fuck off back to reddit.

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If you believe in either of those things then I'm sorry to say but this is not the place for you.

You know that you are a human being and can change language too, right?

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Right, but we don't like the Democratic Party.

We don't like capitalist and imperialist organizations.

If i overhear one more amug arrogant liberal talking about how 'we just need a mix of capitalism and socialism guize' i'm going to fucking flip

Interesting that Zizek cited Chomsky.

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Who is this person you keep posting. It must be one user doing it.

Samuel D. James just BTFO leftist theory. How will leftypol ever recover?

The Khmer Rouge was an exclusively capitalist slaughter. Who created Pol Pot? Capitalism. What system created the guns, ammunition and clubs that they used? Capitalism.

Capitalism is responsible for every death to ever occur because it used stuff conceived under capitalism. Even the Soviet Union was capitalist, because they used money to pay for stuff.

When trees are replanted, who are they replanted by? Capitalist. Seeds aren't free, someone has to buy the seeds. So you can thank capitalism for the air you breath. Who did the capitalism? Capitalism. You can't capital the capital without capital to cap it all the capital captain of capital. Capital.

being socialist in the "American" sense would refer to hardline communism, but many of you don't believe in that, but you use the term "socialist" anyway because those people are idiots

don't believe in private property?
first, is this sarcasm, and second, what does that even mean?

plz, fuck off

bbc.com/news/business-37470175
Why can't we have more women porkies?
archive.is/v1JEQ

youtube.com/watch?v=DSVSsvY0raU

This woman is white liberalism personified.

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This is the most idiotic thing I've ever read. The firearm I own was produced under capitalism, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it against the cpitalist system.

holy shit, man I just looked this bitch up. Proud Hillary supporter because muh wymyns and black vote. Good lord I haven't been this pissed off in a while

I've seen more than a couple people here say they're not that far left. If you wanted a communist board you should've called it /commiepol/.

meant to reply to

what do you think of the term "progressive" then? is that better because of its origins and what it's supposed to mean and what it suggests, or just as bad or worse because of more guilt by association?

No, I'm quite sincere in saying that.

Of course, a lot of people have some severe misconceptions about what we actually mean when we say private property.

Generally, the intuitive approach to the concept of property is to think that property means the right to use something exclusively. When I say that a car is my property, I usually mean that I am the only one with a right to use this car, or live in this house, or use this computer, and so on and so on.

This is not the case with private property. When we refer to private property as Marxists, we refer to a social relationship that enables the extraction of rent or surplus value. As an example, allow me to reference the Chinese investors who own the house next door. They do not live in it, they do not use in it - in fact, most private property is characterized by the fact that somebody else is making use of it. Their relation to the house is that they are able to use their claim to property to extract rent from those who live in it, their relationship to the sausage factory is that they are able to use the notion of property to claim the sausages for themselves for sale on the market, despite that it is workers who raise the pigs, workers who slaughter them, and workers who work the sausage machines. Private property is not a relationship of exclusive use between owner and object, it is a relationship that enables the capitalist to exploit work done by labour. We are not against you owning PCs, toothbrushes, beds, guns and desk lamps, we are against private ownership of land and factories.

This series is a good introduction to the labour theory of value that we make reference to very often and on which these concepts are based:

youtube.com/watch?v=dGT-hygPqUM&list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7

It's fine if you disagree, but please take the time to educate yourself and acquaint yourself with our ideas before making an argument.

Both liberal and progressive are inadequate terms because they do not communicate our opposition to capitalism. Progressive implies a dedication to change and reform within the capitalist system. We already have labels, we're called Marxists or socialists or communists or anarchists or whatever else we might be. This is enough.

Because they are gutless and when push comes to shove doesn't want to change the system. When the long boom ended all the efforts of softening capitalism went away and liberals went to the lesser evil argument that they can implement a bit of austerity instead of what their opponents called for.

Really what good are liberals for now? They stand for the same capitalism as the parties that admit they are capitalist parties.

They still think neoliberalism works. They're in their own little world.

I love how salty Leftypol is over Bill Maher.
It must sting knowing a boring old Jew get's to retire with millions while you will die poor.

Well, he allowed the Wolff on his show, so he's not 100% terrible.

theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/28/labour-party-conference-bending-reality-like-spoon-matrix-jeremy-corbyn-momentum?CMP=twt_gu

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"progressive" and "liberal" are, in how they are used now in America, interchangeable. Some people call themselves progressive in order to avoid the stigma conservatives have attached to the word liberal. leftypol (generally) does not call itself liberal (or progressive) because we do not agree with the viewpoints that identify a liberal ("a mix of socialism and capitalism", gun control, humanitarian interventionism)
Some people just think of liberal/conservative as interchangeable with left/right, so if you are one of those people, we could be "ultra liberals" or something.

I generally think of progressivism as more of a social position and a reformist position. Maybe it's closer than liberal in the sense that people who call themselves "progressive" are generally a bit more conscious of the issue of class. The difference is they treat poverty as a social issue to be solved with taxes. They take issue entirely with the living standards of the poor while leftists are equally concerned with the power dynamic between boss and worker

I don't care if we get an anarchist, mutualist, or tankie revolution, as long as movieblob is one of the first up against the wall.

Why don't you just say "private real estate" or "private estate"? Also what's wrong with an individual owning land?

What's wrong with humanitarian intervention?