Glubb and Fate of Empires

So after reading Fate of Empires, I have been bothered by a certain question: where did Jews fall in Glubb's thesis of civilizations having lifespans and cycles?

They couldn't have affected all of those empires. Certainly not Rome during the Republican period, as Livy traces the Republic's change at around the Third Macedonian War. As such they couldn't have had much contact with the Judeans.

The only conclusion I can see is that Jews are a pathogen that exacerbates the decline.

Can anyone provide evidence to the contrary?

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Yes, but if civilizations go in cycles and are times are reminiscent of an analogous decline, then where do Jews come into play with this thesis? Because Glubb's thesis and the evidence he raises seem to contradict the idea that Jews are the cause of this moral decline we're experiencing.

I read it about a month ago. IIRC Glubb didn't mention jews at all, not even a single time. Maybe in order to stay politically correct? I think that's a flaw in Glubb's reasoning.

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Before Jews, there were people doing their job: the Tankarum, also known as Merchant-Moneylender.
Many if not all wars were economic wars due to the shortage of money (represented idiotically by precious metals) that the Tankarum did to societies - they demanded interest that by any means was physically impossible to pay back.

I'm saying that Jews couldn't have been behind Rome's decline during the Republican years because Livy offers evidence that it started sometime a little prior to the Third Macedonian War. The decline began with how they killed Hannibal after the war with Antiochus.

I'd rather you provided evidence of Rome's degeneration by Jews rather than greentext at me.


Thank you for a more serious answer. So would it be more accurate to say that because of the Jews' taking up the mantle of moneylender and their natural proclivity for vulgarity that it created a more virulent form of the usurer?

Had to google that one. Phoenicians right?

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Tankarum were around since Sumerian times.
Abraham's father was a Tankarum and Judaism is such a religion.

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The Age of Decadence is a result from the transfer of wealth caused by Moneylenders, that also transfer society's power away from the people and their national-ethnic leaders to Economic overlords.

The death of Monarchy was precisely that.

Do you have a link or something, because there's very very little stuff to be found on google. Seems it got memory holed.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, who, I say who, is commonly associated, throughout history, with such mentality… Who….Hmmmmmmm.

Rome was devastated by Hannibal's passage through Italy. It changed Rome like nothing ever had. For ten years, Hannibal shoah'd every Roman man he caught, right in their own backyard.

To defeat Hannibal, the Roman Republic had to adopt so many changes – by letting just anybody in the army, redistributing land, tightening up its command structure, etc. – that the veterans coming home from the Second Punic War barely recognized their home. Hannibal did more to devastate the old Roman order than any other human being.

It's pretty much certain that Hannibal was Phoenician

I don't know. Maybe the primary sources didn't mention anything about which people were the Jews during the periods of decadence.


Benis.


But were Phoenicians moneylenders, though? I can't believe that all Semites act like Jews and their merchant ways. I really want to know if Rome's first decline is attributable to Jews or their ancestors.


Well, fugg. So how long had they been there? The decree was likely a reaction to something. And this fits within roughly the same timeframe of the moral collapse (170-160 BC).


Hadn't they been doing that with the Latin and Italian allies before that? It seems like something a leading city-state would do: conscript from its allied subjects.

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It's in those books. Now some considerations before you read them:

Now, why even read it then?

So, still, I have my reservations: This knowledge is on hold and I divulge very little of it because he said he will only put the source materials for the three books only in the last one, so, he's saying all that stuff without mentioning sources.
The third volume is close to release, though, and many stuff he says can be found on the internet, such as the Tankarum one.

Phoenicians were a People, not all of them were moneylenders.

This mercantile way was the standard in the Ancient World, regarding all people.
Phoenicians weren't only Semites - Yes, they spoke a Semitic language, but genetically they were a mixed race along with Aryans.

Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=UrJGlXEs8nI
Jews sabotaged Roman coins by melting them into their own.

The monarchy thought only of themselves and saw "their people" as tools to throw into war for personal gain. Monarchy is cancer. National Socialism is the true way.

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This is another video related to Jews, again, by some very religious guy.
Take it with a grain of salt.

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National Socialism/Dictatorships are just an early stage of Monarchy.
Also, Monarchies didn't treated their people like shit - you just think that because only the bad examples are made movies of. The rule was good/standard/normal Monarchs and Nobles - bad ones were the exception, and really historic loud.

Yeah they kinda did that's why Hitler laughed when willy asked for his throne back.

Gibbons is a faggot whose thesis doesn't not hold up to scrutiny. If Christianity was such a debilitating force then why did the Byzantines march on?

Thank you again, user.

The Jews are fundamentally opportunists. They thrive in an environment of cultural and civilizational decay. I don't think they're consciously even aware of this fact, but at the subconscious level they are attracted to decay like vultures to sick animals. However, their influence accelerates this decay.

>After the death of Theodoric war broke out anew in which the Jews sided with the Goths, who, however, were defeated.

This is probably the most simplistically accurate statement on the Jews I've seen in a long time.

Jews aren't a civilization– they are the cause of the cycle.

When we eliminate them, we can finally break the cycle and achieve ascendance.

Thank you.

No, they didn't.
Realise that since the fall of Rome, Europe has been ruled by Monarchies and it was that that propelled the great advancements of its peoples.
After the French Revolution and the introduction of Democracies, it was only downhill.

A Democracy where the only ones who had any saying were Rich, White, Christian, Straight Males - which by any means is were a Nobility in everything but name.

Seriously, bad Monarchs were the exception.

People really need to accept this sort of mindset.
Benevolent dictatorship is so much more viable than and so much more appealing than group rule, that its worth it even if you occasionally get a bad ruler.

I'm more partial to Imperium than hereditary monarchy myself, but Im aware there are well-reasoned arguments in both veins.

Stop, seriously just stop.

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Gibbons attributes to Christianity. Byzantines were far more pious than their Roman counterpart. So fuck off.

as well as in the whole country, were dependent on their attitude.
"Just as the Jews in their communities may not be allowed any liberties beyond the measure allotted them by law, so must they, on the other hand, suffer no violation of their rights" ("S. Gregorii Epistula," viii. 25, ed. Migne).

>This order, however, was not carried into effect.
>A decade later the Bishop of Orta attempted to introduce a special Jewish dress, which, however, was forbidden by Pope Nicholas I.

>In 1007 Jacob ben Jekuthiel went to Rome from Lorraine; he mentions a "bet din" which he found there, the president of which bore the title of "nasi."

>At this time the Pierleoni family, the founder of which was a Jew, began to come into prominence; in the war between pope and emperor it sided with the former, and for a short time a member of the family held the papal office.
Wew lads.

>In the struggle which ensued between him and his rival Innocent II., the Jews of Rome sided with Anacletus.
> Bernard of Clairvaux urged against Pierleoni his Jewish descent; the pope was accused also of having been assisted by the Jews in robbing the Church and in realizing the value of the stolen goods.
>It was during his reign and during the reigns of his immediate successors that Abraham ibn Ezra sojourned in Rome (until 1144); his presence in the city gave a new impetus to study, and the foremost men of the city, as Joab ben Solomon and Menahem ben Moses, attached themselves to him, the group thus formed being termed by contemporary scholars "the wise men of Rome" ("Sefer ha-Yashar," p. 549; "Or Zarua'," ii. 52; Zunz, "Literaturgesch." p. 163).

>He denounced especially, though in vain, the employment by Jews of Christian servants, and he prescribed severe sentences for nurses who entered the service of Jews.

> His early decisions gave evidence of a deep hatred of the Jews; but he was reminded by a Jewish ambassador from France that there were Christians in heathen countries, and it was this consideration, perhaps, that led him to issue (April 4, 1233) a bull protecting the Jews.

> On Feb. 1, 1255, a papal order was issued granting certain commercial privileges to a Jewish merchant named Sabbatinus Museus Salaman, who is mentioned as the business associate of several Romans, and who stood in commercial relations with the Vatican; the privileges pertained to trading in the Papal States and in Sicily.

Moral decline is inevitable during easy times. Men always work their hardest when things are tough, it is an instinctual pursuit of a more stable life. Problem is that in nature that stability would last until the next large storm came in and made things difficult. We have risen to the point where stable times just lead to a long era of easy times. And during easy times men do not work as hard. Its all instinct and is incredibly hard to rise above. During easy times it makes it very simple for the kikes to cease being the "vulnerable minority" that they pretend to be and embark on a voyage of massive economic aggression and cultural subversion. Kikes need moral decline in order to kike out in the open because otherwise good men would lynch them for their crimes. They are very much a part of the decline of civilizations.


That being said, civilizations also have a natural life span and would decline even without the jews. As technology is developed it begins to outpace the development of civilization, civilization is not ready for life with this new tech in the daily lives of the people so civilization has to keep up. It develops much more slowly that tech does so eventually there is a breaking point where civilization spasms violently revolution in order to catch up with the current level of technology, wash rinse repeat. thats just my observation anyway

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America was never supposed to be a democracy. Ever. It was intended as a Romanesque Republic, which explains the use of fasces in government faculties.

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That guy was a massive degenerate, even by Roman standards.

So much so that they killed him for it almost immediately

Jews only move in once a civilisation is well established and prosperous
This is because as a parasite, they could not survive in a society with no wealth to plunder
Judging by our situation, and what I know of Rome, I would guess that the jews are predominant in the last century of any civilization they infiltrate

Christianity makes a population stupid and weak over time, leading them to embrace entropy and self-flagellation. Take your head out of your ass and read some Tacitus, he explains in detail how christianity was weakening the roman empire until its invitable demize, same thing happened in the byzantine empire. You dont instantly fall the moment you adopt cuckstianity, it erodes society over time, predatory peoples prey upon the weaknesses of the theology as the local nobility uses it to achieve greater control of a weak population, wich then leads to the corruption and opulence of said nobility.

tldr cuckstianity weakens a people one generation at a time, unless it goes full tyranical orwellian mode, in wich case it receives violent backlash as during the 30 years war and the french revolution.

This.

Not necessarily the sole cause, but a major source.
They profit from immorality, so they encourage it and propogate it, using people's innate weaknesses against them.
They accelerate the decline.
In the same way maggots grow in rotting flesh, jews thrive in the decadent society.

Jews are parasites and decomposition forces.

Basically this. The empire lifecycle isn't something caused by Jews, but human nature. Good times create weak men, etc. Jews are leading people to ruin, but without them, weak nations would still be conquered by strong ones / break down from internal tension.

Jews are definitely the cause of moral decline as we observe it nowadays. Decadence has always been centered around rich fucks being rich out of touch fucks, but it never meant they were hardcode insane liberals.

I think there are many times in history where an aristocracy has developed a reputation for insane liberal shit
ever heard of "libertines"

Grosslyunderrated post.

In times were the general populous had the ability to become complacent and soft they did. Bread and circus makes even the lowest of plebs into degenerates that can compete in decadence with the most inbred of royalty.

Don't give them so much credit.