Why are Nazis, Nazbols, and Ancaps allowed to post on this board when they aren't leftist?

Why are Nazis, Nazbols, and Ancaps allowed to post on this board when they aren't leftist?

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Keep us hot on our toes.

If I wanted a torture chamber I'd go on plebbit or Holla Forums

it's annoying as fuck but this board is already basically half Holla Forums shills. At least now it's easier to recognize them that they bother to openly state they're not leftists some of the time.

Back to pol bucko.

I'm leftist.

You are a Nazi.

Nazi and Nazbol are the same.
Ancaps are corporatist fascists.
To me they are all shit.
they all deserve a horrible death.

And what's your own special snowflake ideology, hm?

Insurrectionist Illegalist.

either way you need to hang hopefully I will live to see your kind hanging everywhere.

Fam, Nazbols can't be worse than ayncraps.

I won't pretend like Holla Forums is a full free-speech platform: given the demographics of the site, we'd be swarmed 10:1 by Holla Forums and company if we had no moderation.

However, discourse is and should be permitted on the condition that said discourse is civil and logically founded. I think the mods should be a bit more strict on adhering to the principle frankly, as a lot of dumb shit slips by as of late.

This was one of the representatives of your movement, he murdered his gay lover and carried him arround in a pushcart in Berlin for days before he killed himself. Wow

Something we've all done.

Mama mia!

I'm leftist I just don't like niggers.

Edgy

No you aren't.

go back to turdpositionist or Holla Forums

Add tankies to this list. Worse than nazibols.

Not the same guy, but I don't see why NazBols would like to support a lolbertarian billionaire - we are also 4th positionist, I beg to differ.

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At least lolberts understand the cancer that is the state, too bad they get the other half wrong.

maybe 4chan's pol has some libertarians left but Holla Forums's Holla Forums is the fucking 4th reich.


I have a whole thread from Holla Forums screencaped that shows how much they hate Libertarians and Ayncraps.

Yeah but they still want to exploit people though the "free" market and private property.

so no they have to hang too.

tankies are nazbols. that's the problem. Ever since this meme ideology has shown up on this board, it's been spreading like wildfire with the tankiddies.

Better draw hanging nazbols.

They are mentally retarded to support Trump and banning everybody who doesn't agree. They're disgusting and I'd have zero interest to join a circlejerk about a realty TV star.

While it is true that we usually defend Stalin we don't wish to recreate that system and pretty much transcended from that. We are also not particularistic nationalists but focus on Eurasian culture. The European arm of National Bolshevism for example, the PCN, wants a united Europe.

You best not be talking about pan-nationalism lad

So you're already in power (de facto)? Nice.

Well, I like the manifesto on their website. But is there anything more I should read?

Yo why not?


Funny.

They are also actually not islamophobic (in the sense of ethnopluralism within Europe) even though I'm personally very restrictive about Islamic expansion looking at what happened in Lebanon after Muslims became a majority, etc.

Well since it's a fringe ideology I'm afraid there isn't much more on the web, there used to be a initiative called "European Community Party" but I'm afraid that died.

Otherwise I'd recommend the 4th theory website of Dugin, it's culturally a bit more right-wing, pretty eclectic and obviously Russian centered, but still a good read.

4pt.su

I sure hope you are not trying to imply that we, the best nation in Europe, has anything in common with the scum in the neighbouring countries.

Because you might as well call it internationalism

Thanks.

It is not tho! Internationalism is what ruined the left, making them useful idiots of global capital and leading to the deletion of culture through multiculturalism.

A united Europe is geopolitically necessary to rival the Anglo-Saxon and the Asian world, but also strengthening regional and national identities. This, of course, means to destroy the EU first, as it is an instrument of class divison, foreign interest and the source of animosity between the European peoples and inherently alien to the Eurasian spirit.

Some guy once stipulated that the socialism part of Not Socialism is on the left.

add liberals to this list and I agree

Right-wing and pseudo-left containment threads when.

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I don't see why some of you want an echo chamber so bad.

I don't care if Nazbols and Nazis hate niggers. The left is anti-hierarchy at its core, no more and no less. If they oppose hierarchy, slavery, and sitting at the back of the bus then they are leftists, and if they want communism they're socialists. Nothing else to it.

why do you post on Holla Forums?
I post here because every now and then it's interesting to get differing opinions.

On one hand you're saying only anarchists are leftist, but you're also saying nazis are leftist enough for you.

What is PCN?

Because it'd be slow as fuck here without them or just plain dead.

Because torture chamber results in oversensitive cretins who badly react to differing opinions and can't argue for shit. Do you really want the mentality of that faggot with pirate flag to be dominant among users of Holla Forums?

It was Holla Forums that has swayed me away from the unconditional support of free speech, at least in terms of online board moderation.

I've seen totally unmoderated free speech in action on Holla Forums for around two years now and the results have been very disappointing. Yes this is a nice community to be apart of, there is often a lot of good discussion and a lot of dank OC, but there are times when this gets swallowed up by all the bullshit from stormfags and fellowleftists.jpgs.

I would never want this place to stop being the much needed alternative to the atmosphere of stifling PC identity politics in some other communities like on reddit. But on reflection I think I've realised that the principle of free speech and lax moderation has to rely on people to use the right to say what they want to actually have a debate and to have the debate in good faith.

The most common defense of free speech is that it enables us to keep out wits sharp, gives us practice in countering porkys bullshit and maybe even convert the occaisional curious Holla Forumsyp. And this is why I do think that non-leftists should be allowed to post here, but within reason.

In practice I think anyone who has used this board at all will see how rarely this theory of open, free, reasonable and honest discussion actually plays out in practice. There are some Holla Forumsyps who are genuine about finding out more about leftism from us, and they should be allowed to do so, but most aren't, most are just here to shitpost. The resident population of faggots who haven't read shit about left theory who think that Holla Forums is just about "I hate capitalism and niggers as well ecksdee!" doesn't help with this either.

Dozens and dozens of threads day in day out having the same arguments over and over again with dishonest, stupid fascist trolls who just change the subject and/or start calling people faggots and jews whenever they start losing an argument. Most of the time these threads had nothing to do with immigration or race realism or jews or whatever the fuck people ended up talking about, they got derailed by Holla Forumsyps. Because no one on Holla Forums can seem to grasp the concept of not taking the bait.

All of this is the exact opposite of what freedom of speech is for, no one gets any better at arguing, no one learns anything more about other peoples beleifs, no Holla Forumsyps or other reactionaries find out more about leftism because the fuckers weren't interested in that in the first place. Actual discussion that free speech is meant to be about gets drowned out and replaced under a mountain of shitposts.

And why do people resist the thought of sorting this mess out with moderation? Oh because then we would be a hug box or an echo chamber!

Who's would call us that? Holla Forumsyps. They call us that already anyway. Even though there are hundreds of them who post here all the time, even though Holla Forums and their boards on reddit ban people for dissenting opinions without hesitation. They are hypocritical pieces of shit utterly disconnected from reality, why do any of you give a fuck what they think? It isn't our job to impress them.

It frustrates me, all this stuff. I come from a poor working class family, I worry about my future under capitalism, that's what drove me to socialism, I don't know about you guys but I am a member of a socialist party and I am active IRL. This stuff matters to me, it truly does, more than anything else. Being able to talk and debate with people in an atmosphere of comradely discussion without having to watch my every word in case some mod on a power trip bans me matters to me as well. So I am frustrated when I see a board which seems to run on the principle of "FREE SPEECH MEANS PEOPLE CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT EVEN IF ITS IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT INSULTS AND LIES. NOONE GETS BANNED EVER THERE ARE NO RULES MODS SHOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING!"

One of the problems of the moderation of the style that you suggest (even though, I don't disagree with the removal of continued bait - in obvious bad faith - as that would be spam), is that in many cases that's what caused the original problem. Once you break up a group with one form of censorship and disengage it from the larger crowd, all that are ending up swept up into it - or disagree so strongly with whatever occurred to begin with that they leave, and follow to the new place - consist of a mixture of people who are not representative of the larger group. It only gets smaller, from here.

One route is the banhappy one, which will have us as another isolated node on a very shabby network, and each reiteration into the next 'refuge' becomes filtered down into its most extremes; instead of having it all in one place, where the discussions would proportionally represent (a more appropriate sampling, rather) the greater group (society, whatever).

I came here, not at the start of Holla Forums or infinity chan, but when the massive censoring on reddit went way out of control (especially GG related); and the reason I came here wasn't because of the excuses given to why opinions were being censored, but because I saw that many of the things that were removed, and censored, had nothing to do with the reasonings for why they were banned, or removed, to begin with. It was merely used as an excuse. This again fuelled, of course, people to take sides based on the excuse given for the removals, instead of pointing out that the bubble and 'lines' drawn in the sand in that room were as if made to add fuel to the fire that was again - being used to continually remove and censor.

As I see it, this type of removal and censorship almost always gets hijacked (or is even to begin with) by the type of people who use it disingenuously, and each 'side' is nothing but a puppet to play with and further use for further scamming, removal of dissenting people (not related to what they claim they're removed for) to the establishment view of the world. (notice how the reactionary vs progressive was brazenly embraced, and is used as the divider even in the trump v clinton theatre)

A lot of these trolls you see popping up, aren't even merely extremely radicalized people of the right. They're people wanting to build up the image of them. Leftypol being overrun with Holla Forumsyp and 'reactionary' spam goes hand in hand with people back on reddit and elsewhere trying to paint leftypol itself, and all the leftists back then who came with it - as inherently reactionary, and 'leftwingers with social conservative views'. Both Holla Forums, and those who oppose Holla Forums from the other side of the coin, both want Holla Forums to be reactionary at first glance. (just like you are supposed to be a brocialist, and hate women)

Have a right wing version of something similar.

MUSLIM SPEECH FOR THE MUSLIMS, JEW SPEECH FOR THE JEWS, WHITE SPEECH FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this FREE SPEECH problem. Everybody says this FREE SPEECH problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white community and debates and ONLY into white communities.

Everybody says the final solution to this FREE SPEECH problem is for EVERY white community and ONLY white communities to “assimilate,” i.e., start dialogues, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this FREE SPEECH problem and this FREE SPEECH problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-jews were brought into EVERY jewish community and ONLY into jewish communities?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a FREE SPEECH problem. I am talking about the Final solution to the JEWISH SPEECH problem.

And how long would it take any sane jew man to notice this and what kind of psycho jew man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my community, the white community, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-censorship. What they are is deeply triggering and problematic.

Anti-censorship is a code word for deeply triggering and problematic.
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Free speech, like freedom of religion, has been used to turn our wrists time after time, no matter the political flavor.

It's fine to be a torture chamber, it gets shit done and counteracts energy vampirism.

I mean, how many times did any of you have to repeat the same kind of argument whenever a Holla Forumsack (like I am one) comes and stirs up shit.

Reality is anti torture chambery, enough.
Why would you allow someone like me in your bunker?
To be a "virtuous man who upholds liberty like free speech?"

It's more of a liability than a boon, most of the time.

Holla Forums is pretty bullheaded when it comes to bans.
It keeps things clean, debates and flung bottles are for actual public venues.
This is supposed to be your center of operation.
I shouldn't be allowed to post here.
Fuck my right to "free speech". This is your place.
Make it the one thing that you do not share with just everyone.

They will always just spam this place, the mods here need to be more active.

BO is an eternally butthurt tankie that wants the place to burn because they're laughed at constantly.

The biggest problem with being banhappy towards "right-wing" opinions is that it limits the sources of new people to already pre-estabilished left-wing communities, which could potentially change the prevailing view regarding certain issues like liberal-like identity politics. Say what you want, but the staunch opposition to SJWs and such is a result of the environment most Holla Forumslacks posted in before this board was established. However, this state is quite fragile due to part of our userbase being filthy redditards who blend in much better due to having similar political opinions. And while "leftists are cucks" threads should obviously go, I see no reason to get get rid of eg. Nazbols and related groups. Systematized banning of people not agreeing with the consensus is what made 8/pol/ an unbrowsable garbage and I don't want this to be repeated here.

I'm not calling for a blanket ban on all non-leftists (which DOES include Nazbols goddammit regardless of what they call themselves) I'm talking about having mods that clamp down on people who are just shitposting, derailing threads, posting bait threads and arguing in bad faith. We just need to make it clear to people that if they are posting on Holla Forums that they will be on their best behaviour or they wont get to post.

This should read as "if people are posting o leftypol as a fascist or other non leftist they must be on their best behaviour"

The problem is not only with shitposting, but also with responding to it. Many posters won't miss any opportunity to post "ackchyually..", which is why shitposting threads get fuckton of attention. This even happens when somebody uses sarcasm, an ironic image + "communism btfo" will inevitably attract a few retards wanting to debunk the obviously ironic post.

True and I mentioned it in my original post. It comes down to the point that people need to prove that they are capable of behaving like adults in the absence of moderation in order for free speech to be worth having.

You can't convert people if you dont allow wrong opinions to be expressed and shown the errors of.

Someone needs to look into the definition once again.
Leftism is LITERALLY liberalism. In the dawn of the 20th century.socialism/communism got thrown in the left spectrum because fuck logic.
One would have thought that you at least knew the history of the French revolution.

I suggest giving short bans to anybody responding to obvious shitposts

If you want a torture chamber where you don't ever need to actually debate different ideas and where everybody always agrees with your perfect opinions then go to tumblr or leddit.
But just let me warn you that IRL things are not like this and if you ever need to confront shit IRL you are not going to be prepared and are going to get fucked not matter how "right" you are.
Just see how Holla Forums boys fared in the debates against the alt-right retards and how much they got BTFO even tho they were "right".

What were the Jacobins, you blithering idiot?

look what a hug box turned Holla Forums into. it wasn't good to begin with, but its unbearable now.

Learn how to into logic faggot. The reason the debate was lost was because it was a gaggle of LARPing retards.

wew to the max lad

If those LARPing retards had practiced debating instead of passing most of their time circlejerking with their friends then maybe they wouldn't have got BTFO so badly.

It seems like everyone that makes the hug box argument is always defending pol cucks, and I suspect they're polcucks themselves arguing to keep the door open for their shitposting.

They add nothing to the board except bullshit. The idea that they keep Holla Forums from turning into a hug box is a fucking fantasy. With the numerous tendencies and ideologies of the left the idea that there will ever be a universal consensus on Holla Forums is ridiculous, so where exactly is the danger of becoming a "hug box?" How exactly does letting some dipshit make another "Socialism won't work because niggers" thread help in that regard, anyway?

There's a nazi poster making his futile, ridiculous arguments in a thread of his own right now, and that's the sort of thing that should be allowed, because as stupid as he is he's at least engaging in something like a discussion. Posters coming into a thread and proceeding to shit it up, exactly like what happened in the recent OC thread or the cop thread, should be fucking banned.

If the ideal for leftypol is for it to be a buffet of ideas and ideologies, it certainly isn't improved by letting in people that come in just to shit in the entrees.

It is pretty much the fear of being infected with liberal identity politics like the other left-wing communities on the internet.

So instead of just learning what the fuck we're talking about and having the theoretical framework to refute identity politics outright, the answer is to let fucking retards shit all over the place just to keep the reddit bogeyman out.

Jesus Mary and Patrick, just fucking kill me now.

No, try again.

Eat shit

We both perfectly know that big political communities are doomed to be shit no matter what kind of moderation policy do you choose.

I mean, posters should be able to come here, ask about leftist ideas, argue, etc. But you are rolling with the commies here, you know where you are getting at pal. You step out of line and you get a ban, thats the way it should be. No way we let ourselves be infiltrated and become cuckolds of stormfront, like in 4chan and Holla Forums. This is our hood.

Niggers are counter-revolutionary capitalists and put materialistic indulgences above everything else.
youtube.com/watch?v=NK2FqPNIT_U

This.


You know you can ignore threads annoying you, right? And beside, even if we don't share the exact same view of how to achieve it, leftists ideologies have more or less common vales and goals. We shouldn't forget that some people have a radically different way at looking at things.

I don't even understand what anarcho-capitalism is. Capitalism and anarchism are incompatible. It's almost like calling yourself a communist-capitalist.

Their view of anarchy is no central goverment or very minimal use of goverment.
It's basically neo-feudalism because they think money matters more than goverment lol.

But anarchists have always been opposed to hierarchies. Without the government to regulate a capitalist society it would become even more hierarchical. The division between the capitalists and the laborers would only increase. They should call it something else.

It's a Burger thing user, may i remind you that governemnt is literally communism so capitalism is like, the opposite of governement!

You know you can fuck off, you incredible retard?

No I mean in their mind anarchy = no state.
It has nothing to do with hierarchy. They are perfectly fine with those.

We should let everyone post here if they're sincerely discussing, but DUDE NIGGERS LMAO shitposters should be banned.

Because restricting Holla Forumslacks could become the first step in restricting other leftist groups. Look at 8/pol/ and how first the leftists were kicked out, then various rightist groups, until all that remained were stormniggers and their bootlickers in one endless circlejerk.

Even defining trolls, beyond obvious spam, is often too subjective to prevent creeping rulecuckism.

We don't want that to happen. I'm an anarchist, so I'd probably be in the remaining majority, but without tankies and maotists to shitpost with, the board just wouldn't be the as lively. Pomos and Freudians should still be whipped into knowing their place.

Noone is suggesting an outright ban on any certain viewpoints, we just want Holla Forumsyps to be stopped from shitposting, baiting, derailing ad arguing in bad faith.

The mechanism for such an action being outright banning.

Well you will have to have a pretty strict definition of thoses things , especially about bad faith because the power of ideology allows people to consider circular logic and other fallacies as genuine aguments.

Where is the frontier between shitposting and no fun allowed?
How do you differentiate bait from genuine classcuckery?
I am myself very conflicted about derailing because it can be annoying but the evolution of discussion in unexpected ways is part of the chars of imageoards…

Same shit thats killing Holla Forums right now

I know it's fun to make fun of NazBols, and I don't think we should stop. However, we need to acknowledge that being a nazbol is part of the first precious stage in a Holla Forumscuck becoming less stupid. It starts with reading the first part of the communist manifesto and blaming income inequality on the jews, and ends with them believing in solidarity and reading stirner.
Treasure these moments, because they don't last long.

Ror that's delightfully absurd. I said some nazis are leftist enough for me, and anti-hierarchy does not mean anti-government, because government need not be a hierarchy.

Ofc

Ror Nazbols can be despicable and still leftist, take yourself for example

No, ancaps aren't leftist because they support workplace hierarchy. You're thinking of Mutualists

Oh, so they're idiots.

Come join us brothers. We have a dedicated forum now. We're working on building a national revolutionary movement. We also welcome elements of the revolutionary 4th position.

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