I'm going to be making a video soon, basically seeking to enlighten people on what communism/socialism actually is, and why it isn't what they have been told by capitalist propaganda.
What arguments have you seen that most people have when trying to defend capitalism (muh human nature) and act like they know what communism is or even how world history played out.
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Go on Holla Forums and make such thread. You will find all the stupidest arguments against communism you ever needed.
Starting from "it was designed by jews!" and ending with "communism kills the white race".
I think a video on the 3rd point would be cool, you don't really see that fleshed out that often.
I want arguments that actual people have, not retards.
Like muh toothbrush, muh human nature, USSR=communism and why thats an example of how stupid communism is, etc
The old classic, communism killed 100 trillion people.
Oh also. the complete cognitive dissonance when it comes to anarchism and it's relation to socialism.
Not communism killed gorillion of people, but Stalin and Mao. That's why they should never be our examples.
This blasted, damned, infernal planet.
the wikipedia for commie death toll has Rouge and others with the cited number being 120 mil
What the fuck even happened with Cambodia? It defies belief.
This is why we can't have good things. If people don't want to rethink the past, they dare to repeat it with another Stalin. And communist ideology will again fall into hands of authoritarian dictator and tyrant.
That's why memeing Slavoj Zizek is so important.
He says some memey stuff, but he himself isn't a prime meme material. He is destined to be a silver tier meme due to the intense amount of concentration it requires to understand what he is saying sniff
Was Pol Pot just like, fuck going straight to communism, were going to right to primitive communism?
What did he do to the economy?
Who were called the Not SocialisT PARTY?
The nazis
I think there's a word filter.
I was referring to the braindead argument that the nazis were socialists because they called themselves that.
Ignore the previous greentext, the word filter butchered my point.
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Yes.
No. He was backed by the USA and a communist only in name, similarly to the nazi party.
Holla Forums here to indulge you, since you'll assume everything I have to say is stupid, or worse!
As claimed here I'm not even people!
Moving on.
What are your arguments for Communism even mattering?
What difference does an economic system make when your people are literally being replaced?
Do you think Arabs or Somalians give a shit about any of the hWhite man's economic and/or cultural systems?
Would you support replacing the native populations of White nations with Arabs and Somalians et al?
What are your thoughts on Useful Idiotism / NazBol?
Do you care about Böhm-Bawerk?
Does it matter to you if you destroy peoples identities and histories in your implementation of Communism?
Is it possible for you to have a Communist society contained to a small nation, or must it involve the entire world?
If Communism and Capitalism cannot co-exist, what about Communism and Nationalism?
What are your thoughts on AntiFa and other so-called "Leftist" movements who support the bourgeois oppression of the proletariat so long as that proletariat is a *White* working class person?
Do you think people who watch NASCAR (typically, impoverished / working class Whites) have any place in a Communist society?
Do you think the focus on class struggle somehow displaces or removes the importance of Identity?
Do you view a nation as a social construct or as a natural outgrowth of a people – a sort of extended family?
Do you believe cultural values come from genetics or can they be changed if you seize control of The Narrative?
If Communism requires global maintenance to succeed, i.e., if it is incompatible with any other socio-cultural or economic system, how do you propose reaching such a state without an Authoritarian, since Stalin and Mao seem to be such a prickly issue for you?
Do you think its strange that all recorded instances of 'Communism' were not 'Real Communism' and how do you explain this to non-sympathizers?
Do you ever find yourself sympathizing with Holla Forums at all?
If you do not find yourself sympathizing with Holla Forums at all, and you do think Stalin or Mao are bad examples, how do you defend dehumanizing your ideological twinsies?
Holla Forums and Holla Forums strike me as echoes of the 20th century movements whose iconography and gestures they overwhelmingly adopt, that is to say, this is all shaping up to be a repeat of Nazism v. Communism that we've all seen before.
Frankly, I find such repetition tiresome.
Peach out I guess.
It is a bit disconcerting that there hasn't been a single successful attempt at communism yet though.
Not really. Capitalism has been around for a relatively short period of time compared to slavery and feudalism.
This is not what I would call indulging us m8, if anything it looks like a request for us to indulge you, but I'll help you with your questions of culture and identity and leave the political theory to one of the resident nerds.
The refugees would not be coming in under a communist system, they are being imported because capitalism requires exponential growth and the EU is going through a slowing of population growth that cannot sustain the current economic model. They aren't being brought in for any moral argument, that's the reason offered up to deflect away from the core issues the matter draws to capitalism itself.
Of course NASCAR, your culture, your heritage can all be preserved under communism, but it's not the focus point of this board. The cultural marxists out to destroy your identity at its core is a meme peddled by misinformed or outright lying capitalists and nationalists like Breivik, Sargon of Akkad and pals who want to discredit socialism and the work of Karl Marx by strawmanning it to the Frankfurt School, and then strawmanning the Frankfurt School to multiculturalism.
Your problems with various groups can be traced to economic problems, black people were kept in a shitty situation since slavery was abolished and there was no great attempt to lift them out of ghettos and poverty, the civil rights movement gave them the same rights, but without money they were largely condemned to be stuck at the bottom. Here we're pretty critical of Israel too and not 12 hours ago we laughed off someone calling us antisemitic. It's important not to focus on the misdeeds of groups of people when these actions are a consequence of their initial economic situation.
I sympathize with Holla Forums quite a bit, it's a shame to see them get so close to the revelation and to just loop straight back round to "Fucking kikes" so frequently. I've seen some of Hitler's speeches subtitled and find myself agreeing with what he's saying, but he just veers off into blaming the Jews for all the problems of the world. A lot of fascists tend to start at the same train of thought as communists and then veer off into identity issues right at the crux of the argument.
on the wiki it says he went back to agrarian subsistence/primitive communism. What kind of capitalism was there if he was US backed? Were there raw materials like in Vietnam?
He rounded a quarter of Cambodia up and had them bludgeoned to death, mostly using people between 8-30 (since the state confiscated children at the age of 8).
They destroyed things they saw as facilitating a capitalist society, keeping anything they thought would be useful to destroy more, killing anyone that wasn't suited to the life of a peasant farmer. Towards the end they were killing people who laughed or cried.
"To keep you is no benefit. To destroy you is no loss."
You dont need to be an actual economist or political theorist or Marx himself to understand this chart.
The best thing you could possibly do for the world is eat a bullet.
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How would you deal with dissenters in the communist nation? Would you be willing to hear their points even if they were right, would you just kill them and their family in the name of progress or would you humanely send them to the re-education gulags?
Communism is not a natural system and to enforce it requires inhumane things to be done in the name of an ideology that has no guarantee of working. The "revelation" you had is just you passing on to the realm of pure fiction with hardly any basis in the real world. A fanciful tale of a perfect world that can never happen. You're like the people who search for shambala and el dorado. Purely driven to see only the things you want to see in the world, with clouded minds you wander and refuse to let go of your faith because then you would have nothing to protect you from the realities of the world.
t: not even Holla Forums
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Workers are exploited around the world so the ultra rich can get more rich (why 1% of the population has more wealth than the other 99%) in one word, capitalism is shit and kills people.
"Your" people are "literally" being replaced in the context of this shitty global capitalist economy, literally the reason why.
Literally racist, I don't know how a human can write that and not realize that everyone who was responsible for your education has failed you.
If their identities are founded upon the exploitation of wage-slaves, then yes, destroy that shit swiftly.
It's possible but not ideal. This is a party whose aim is to end WORLDWIDE exploitation of labor from the ruling class.
This is like saying if anti-matter and matter cannot co-exist, what about peanut butter and honey sandwiches?
That's literally what communism is trying to end. Regardless how scared white people are that everyone is out to get them. If you weren't a racist maybe you wouldn't be worried there were anti-racists out to get you.
Please just read the fucking communist manifesto dude, all ur fears and capitalist ideology are addressed. So you are not sacred, the manifesto is the source of the parties guidelines, unadulterated by capitalist propaganda.
A natural outgrowth of people? you mean like a shitty definition of 'social construct.' I view all humans as extended family, that's why I want my fam to not be exploited and killed.
culture……..genetics…..almost opposite by definition. The "control of the Narrative" has been seized, you are the result.
Stalin and Mao both had state capitalism….CAPITALISM. Read a history book. If you cant imagine how you would reach such a state without an Authoritarian, its because you dont even know what communism is. Anarcho-syndicalism is a good place to start with ideologies.
Its not strange, the agents of capitalism are what have kept communist revolutions from becoming real communism.
If you would just not be racist for once, and could just replace "Zionist Conspiracy" with "CAPITALISM" we would have many of the same views.
More like ideological retard cousin
What are your thoughts on AntiFa and other so-called "Leftist" movements who support the bourgeois oppression of the proletariat
I hope you were trolling me, otherwise this ignorance can be cured. Read the communist manifesto, and some more history, especially before you talk about either topic ever again.
If I went over their browsing history and found such a shitpost I'd make them dig their own grave then whack them over the back of the head with the shovel until they found their purpose as fertilizer. Hope this helps.
fuck off muke
Said who?
Capitalism, like communism, will eventually crumble under its weight and impossibility. Then we will see what rises from the ashes. I think that yes capitalism is more natural than communism because it arose in human societies independently without the need for a revolution but that doesn't mean it's good for people. Communism is just a humbug utopia peddled to the uneducated and too educated masses who have lost sight or want to lose sight of reality. Communists are people who force people to take up arms against them because they don't want to conform to what the ideological zombie spouts with manic soulless eyes.
This is literally Manifest Destiny. This is literally capitalism.
Yeah, we want to see our fellow humans with a decent and high quality of life. Unlike you, where slaves can work to make your shirts and iphones, while you are perfectly okay with it, cause you don't have to see the things you dont want to see.
I have heard enough from you to 100% throw you in a re-education gulag. Not being inhumane, just that you need re-educating cause the first time round failed miserably.
What did he mean by this/Don't let your memes be dreams/Wew lad
You know what else did? Feudalism, Monarchy, Racism, etc. Where there's no revolution it's because the ruling class made it that way
heres how natural capitalism is
So by your opinion the world should/could be without injustice and struggle? It's a noble goal yes, but still without basis in nature. How come every society in the world seems to conform to a very similar order when it reaches a certain mass? Could it be that it's the most simple and effective one? The most natural one?
Nowhere in the natural world will you find "equality" and while you seem to deem yourselves worthy of creating morality for others, it's just your view of what is right, which makes you the slavers. Revolution is a worthy thing if you have something good to replace the old thing with but if it's just the same stuff but reversed with a new coat of paint, you're just bratty children who can't look beyond your own self righteousness.
I see the suffering of the world and I understand your pain and frustration with the current order of things but you think too highly of yourselves. The man who declares he has the cure for the problems of the world seldom does and if you don't see the problems inherent in communism then you don't want to see them. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. How many millions would you be prepared to slaughter for your flimsy utopia that wouldn't last a hundred years?
The only reason the USSR isn't still about is because it spent its last two decades being mismanaged into the ground, which is what's happening to capitalist states all over the world. This obsession with 'the natural order of things' is mental. In one moment it's "Look at the brilliant inventions of capitalism" and the next it's "Communism is a synthetic and unnatural beast".
t. lolbert wearing sweatshop clothes and talking on slave manufactured electronics without a single problem with it
From "what a brave and moral thing woah" to "morality is a spook guys, don't fall for the doing the right thing meme, it's just human nature" without a hint of self awareness.
Also you dropped this: I tip my fedora to you my good sirs
Communism is a natural system, though. Hunter gatherers predominantly live in a classless communist system where there is no private property and things are produced for use, not sale.
There literally isn't anything more natural. Obviously, things won't be perfect, just as they aren't perfect for bands of hunter-gatherers, but saying that we will never be able to coordinate all our productive forces in such a way that everyone who produces stuff gets to enjoy the value that they create without any exploitation to get in the way.
You don't understand the first thing about what communism or socialism are supposed to be. The goal is not perfect equality and justice. It is first and foremost to end the exploitation of labour and the extraction of surplus value, and secondly to end production for market and begin production for use.
You don't even have an argument. This is just pseudointellectual posturing against a strawman that exists only in your head.
For the record, nobody in this thread is arguing that we should have USSR style Marxist-Leninist dictatorship (until the stalinposter shows up at least). The fact that you show up here with this touchy-feely liberal bullshit about m-muh slavery is strongly indicative of you mistakenly conflating our shit with Stalin and Mao and of your needing to read a fucking book.
Of course, given that you earlier endorsed the genocide of whites meme perhaps I am being too optimistic in believing you can get through any text not rendered in artifact-ridden .jpeg format.
*without any exploitation to get in the way is fucking retarded.
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Just saying that you could be doing more productive things than promoting communism if you wanted to make a difference in the world for the better.
You're strawmanning pretty hard there yourself m8. I haven't been saying capitalism is good or that I don't have a problem with it. I just happen to have a problem with communism as well because it's not even near an answer but rather just a misguided lashing out at the status quo disguised as a legitimate system.
Well it just happens that apparently when human societies grow larger than hunter gatherer tribes, they also seem to develop a hierarchical system of laws and order in order to keep growing. All of the governing of the world has been through trial and error, trying to fix problems as they arise with whatever means they have available. We have grown this large because of capitalism and communism isn't going to fix anything as long as capitalism is around. The capitalist world will collapse under its own impossibility and so will communism because nature is a struggle to the top and if you don't struggle someone who has a different worldview will just stomp you on his way up.
So communism requires for most or all people to be on board with it and if you haven't noticed it's really hard to get humans to agree for long on anything. That eventually leads to a dictatorship or a collapse and all that blood was spilled for nothing. A dam can only last so long before it breaks if there is no one to repair it.
Besides isn't capitalism a thing that's bringing about robots that might eventually stop working class exploitation. Too bad the working class won't be needed then. I'm not saying capitalism is good, I'm just saying that at least it has a lot more to show for all the blood, sweat and tears put into it.
How can you type so many words without saying a single fucking thing?
Tell me, what is it about human nature that prevents people from democratically running their workplaces cooperatively in the pursuit of each individual's personal profit? What is it about the inherent characteristics of the human being that prevents this thing that happens all the time from apparently happening?
We already have robots, the first steam engines did the same job. That was what lead to the development of Marx's analysis - when he noticed that only a small minority of people were benefiting from the labour-saving aspect of these devices. Even today, we destroy goods in order to maintain prices because it is against the interests of capitalists to produce so much that everyone has what they want for nothing.
You are regurgitating ideology without even being aware of it. Struggle of all against all is a behaviour that has been conditioned by capitalism and is a historical aberration. Every society up until today has been based on cooperation and sharing. Conflict was more often between communities than within them. When your mother asks you to pass the salt at the dinner table, do you ask 'what's in it for me?' No, because that's one social relationship that has yet to be destroyed and replaced with a commercial one. It is the current system that has replaced enduring social ties with transactional economic exchanges, where the only relationships that exist between producers are there only during the moment when commodities are exchanged. Commodity fetishism has ruined human society. Read Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by Kropotkin.
Socialism does not mean abolishing the rule of law nor does it mean enforcing equality. It is, essentially, a change to the property rights regime. Your empty platitudes are completely fucking worthless. Human nature is communist. Capitalism is an imposed aberration that has existed only for 200 years and was constructed by coercive states at the behest of the bourgeoisie and with the resistance of workers and peasants.
vladimir stalin killed 900 billion people two days after taking power in the PRC
Democracy is inefficient. Look at the state of the western world. Meritocracy is the way to go.
Natural isn't always better, intact artificial is superior most of them time.
Well I would hardly call capitalism "better".
It's worked more often than socialism.
There's no winning is there?
I'm saying that neither system will work for more than a few centuries because neither best exploits human biology in the right way.
read a paper you fucking dipshit
If normies ever understood what Real Communism™ is supposed to be, they would find you guys even more retarded.
Even ignorant people who call themselves socialist and believe it just means sharing and capitalist is just greediness would.
You guys are deluded.
And just what is Real Communism, oh enlightened one?
all of my wews. flag related
no wonder you losers have no sex life or friends
I'm pretty sure that user was just repeating the most stereotypical argument against communism possible for the sake of the thread.
As God's chosen country, dollars are literally virtue tokens. The wealthier someone is, the more beloved the are by The Supreme Being. This is clearly expressed by the fact that the wealthiest also tend to be rulers of nations, which would only be possible via the grace of the Divine Right.
Maybe instead of reading those silly marxist screeds you should read the one Book that REALLY matters: The Bible! ;^)
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it is still very young of a movement.
when full communism does come though, i gurantee you it won't be called communism. it will have some stupid name like "neo-capitalism" or "super capitalism"
JESUS CHRIST
I think Zizek is a prime candidate for a personality cult of Stalinist scale. He fills me with the purist of joy. Whenever I see him I cant help but sniff and eat out of the trash.
When people think that Nat.Soc. is socialism, then you know that the vast majority of people have no understanding of what socialism actually is.