Batman: Return to Arkham Graphics Comparison

They both look the same to be honest. One just looks a bit more yellow

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No one who is working on that game could seriously call the left picture remastered when it looks worse.

Roses are red and Violets are blue
There are no shadows on PS4

Nice catch. Weird they'd do this kind of thing since I heard the company responsible for this "remaster" is chinese.

Is PS4 really so shit it can't run a deep shadow and simple reflection in a non-playable cinematic?

So they "remastered" a piss filter in the game?

Try playing the Silent Hill HD remaster collection. Holy shit things look awful in there.

So they straight up made it look worse
Christ

Even if it can (and it probably can), they're not going to put any actual effort into it.

Games are meant to run on the hardware they're made for, when you start porting they will always end up different.

just kill me already or shift me over to another timeline where things are better

Are they supposed to be napping? Cause it looks like he's finger fucking her through her yoga pants.

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he is

90% of the difference seems to be art direction stuff that the exact same original hardware could have done, like differently colored lighting and overall cleaner/less grimy textures. And I'll give them this much, I actually do like the slightly cleaner textures and smoother faces of the "remaster." The changes to lighting and contrast are pretty hit and miss though, it seems like whoever is doing this doesn't quite understand why sometimes the lighting was the way it was or the contrast was lower than it could have been. Like, that clearer looking Arkham City doesn't really makes sense, the idea is that it's a somewhat foggy snowy night.

Otherwise, the only real technical upgrade apparent is that occasionally the lighting looks more complex and there's motion blur. Also the hair, in particular Joker's and Harley's looks a little better, but I'm not sure if that's a technical thing or a purely creative choice. Harley's might look better for simply having a bit more volume, and I'm not sure why Joker's hair looks a little smoother.

Anyway, this overall seems like a sidestep rather than an upgrade, call me unimpressed.

11/11 GOTYAY BEST REMASTUR!!

They've managed to fuck up Lego games son.

And then they put that on TV? Fucking kikes man, I'm fucking fed up with this shit.

it's just a really shitty porn

Originals looks better.

Absolute trash

Yeah, absolute trash is right. I gotta do something, gotta get the fuck out of this place, America is killing my soul and my mind man.

Love when I have a reason to post this

Xbone and PS4 were mistakes.

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What if…
Stick with me here for a while mates, ellipses, or not.
What if… just the random thought, what if they retroactively downgrade PC version? So when you try to reinstall it to compare to PS4, it suddenly looks worse.

Didn't a company do that already?

Downgrade existing PC version?
Did they?

a lazy port is still a lazy port. The sad, objective truth is that the most technically advanced game at the moment is uncharted 4.

You kidding right?
Shit looks like fallout 4 mod.

nigga, under the correct lighting circumstances you can see the cartilage in nacho fortunato's ear.

No game has visuals that advanced except for uncharted 4. Don't even care about the game, just stating the objective truth.

Goddamn, look at the Joker' shirt!

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hardware doesn't matter if no one takes advantage of it. PC games haven't really advanced much beyond Crysis, No one is interested in taking the risk on such a niche platform. Consoles are another story.

Ebin.

almost everything mutliplat sells several millions more than on PC m8. There's a few odd exceptions here and there, but generally if you're releasing the game the same time on consoles, the console versions will sell much more.

Once again, just stating facts. Does it hurt you or something?

What the fuck

Does it hurt your ass to be a fucking faggot? That's the real question

>>>/neogaf/

Sounds like a pretty accurate description of PC to me.

What the fuck they literally just change around a few values, and shove in the original textures instead of the downscaled ones. Then normalfags buy it again for 60€.

Which is probably why it looks worse, the devs don't know what the fuck to do because any actual upgrade would be minimal so instead they fuck up the colour correction, effects, and tone so it looks different.

Dunno, maybe you can tell me once gaben pulls the cock from yours

look at dragon's dogma, any call of duty, fallout 4 - which sold twice as many units on one platform than on PC. I don't care about the quality of these games, but apart from dragon's dogma, these are the biggest game of the last year, and the PC sales might as well be a tip in the jar compared to console sales. Steamspy has been a very convenient resource.

I don't find mediocre console ports of western shit to be very comfortable, nor do I find much enjoyment from indie clique games or joke games. PC exclusivity is suffering, but this is not the point I'm making here. You tell one little truth that goes against the mustard race narrative and it gets all kind of people covering the ears, eyes, and freaking out. It's a little sad.

It's important to take optimization into account. No one needs to remind you the amount of poorly optimized garbage that's come out on the PC in recent years (the Arkham games being some of the worst offenders). Designing a game around specific hardware can allow developers to push it to its limits. Naughty Dog are particularly good at this. In fact, it seems like they spend more time doing that than making an actually good game.
Doesn't make any less of a faggot, though.

I may be a faggot, but I'm still right. That's all that matters. Truth hurts the biggest liars

gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-11-13-fallout-4-ships-12-million

Top fuckin kek.

Am I going insane, or does the "Remastered" version look worse than the Original?

I hope you know games actually regularly sell more on PC nowadays, this isn't 2005 anymore.

Also using dragons dogma as an example is a damn laugh because it came out on pc after years of having no hint of getting ported. Almost everyone who wanted it already bought it for consoles because that was the only option.

ah, my dear platform cuckold, there's a problem with your numbers.

PC gaming is very very tiny. You need to realize this if you ever want to have your input taken seriously. Developers release games on the PC in hopes of either hitting meme game status, tapping into a tip jar of funding, or exploring other markets like microtransactions.

Your shitposting levels have reached critical mass, you either go back or you get filtered at this point.

according to all the data, sales after the first week/two weeks drop off to typical averages of dropoff. From there, you can rekindle interest with sales down the line, but then you're looking at pushing more units at a notable discount. Something you also get a better deal with on consoles.

Dragon's Dogma sold so poorly, but Dark Souls 1 sold pretty decently, although it was also $20 starting. There's a problem with your parallel mate.

Am I crazy or is 3 million sales, 50% of the lead console sales, not "a drop in the bucket" as this homo is implying? You're directly contradicting your niche platform argument.

cover your eyes, I'll keep hurting your fanaticism and dedication to a platform. I'm a huge PC gamer too, but I don't let myself be cucked by what I play on. That's just stupidity.

Anyway, filtered.

There is actually no issue with my parallel. That was a game that had more marketing than dragons dogma, had clamoring for a PC port, and received confirmation it was going to happen in a much shorter frame than dragons dogma. We're talking about a came that came out like a wet fart years after the console release with Damm near no marketing at all.

They literally do estimates, have no sources and the PC version of Fallout 4 on their sites is still at 1 million because they don't know any better

>>>/neogaf/

What kind of marketing do you need for a PC release?

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TOP CUCK

Any at all? If you're not a meme game like mine craft then you are swimming in an ocean of game releases and the only way to stand out is to hope for word of mouth (which is a huge gamble) or you need to aggressively market the game. There's just too much shit flowing through the PC market to stay informed on every title.

No I think it's more everyone is getting sick of that fucking buzzword.

Stay mad cuck.

Nah he's a cuck m8. One who made a 5 minute video getting triggered over it.

I honestly thought the images were switched and I was about to say the original still holds up.
But fuck me.
That's a disgrace, the remaster looks like 360 graphics. Nothing ugly about 360 graphics but way outdated

There's another buzzword to stifle people who disagree with you.

"TRIGGERED!"

don't say that, you might get filtered by him. So horrible.

Steam attempts to do just this, and there was a social media push to strike the relevant word of mouth channels. Look at Total Biscuit, who made a dragon's dogma video around the time of release. It was very popular on social media channels, the bigger game journo sites pushed it around the time of release. The game sits at just below 300K units pushed on PC, when even total biscuits video has more views than the game has sales. The problem isn't with the timing - although a simultaneous release would have helped. The problem isn't with peoples taste, dragon's dogma is a good game despite its problems. The problem is the audience for these games is very, very small on PC. It's pretty small in the grand scheme of things, but you will be selling more units by pushing games on consoles instead of PC.

You can't just explain that away by saying they were released years apart. Sure they were. Other games were too, and on other platforms at that. Minecraft 360, Xbox One, PS4, and Wii U also came out years after the other, earlier versions, including the PC version. Yet they still sold tremendously. There are serious gaps in your logic.

Funny how this discussion went from Uncharted 4 being the most technically advanced game around to this. Guess that's how it goes.

t. triggered cuck

Warner Bros cant seem to port worth a shit. If you look at the Wii U port of Arkham City it looks worse, even in bullshots.

fuck off back to reddit you triggered cuck

What is the best looking game out there now anyway?
Ryse?
Crysis 3?

Since when has a remaster not fucked with the originals aesthetics in some form to make it worse? I can't really think of a single title, Though I'm pretty autistic when it comes to aesthetics so there's probably some.

Also reminder to never buy Metro Redux.

a lot of early wii u titles were just shit, late ports that were released outside of their period of relevance and were far worse than what was on other platforms. Everything from the West that landed on the system seemed to come with a "don't care" fanfare and was just shat onto the platform to see if there was an audience to milk. When no one bought it, they pulled out saying no one is interested. Kind of retarded way to penetrate a growing audience and starting platform. Nintendo could have curated better games out of developers, encouraging more risk and new IPs, even supported them with funding like Microsoft and Sony do. The whole thing was a mismanaged disaster.

Here are some actual comparisons.

m.imgur.com/a/38lBu

What's with Holla Forums's boner for Sony?
I get that this place is Nintendoga/v/ but why the PS4 specifically?
Is it because they're both nip companies?
I'm honestly curious to know.

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Stay triggered cuck.

Gravity Rush remastered. Only one of these "remastered" games that really looks better.

The colours are at least better than in the original

Butthurt autist detected

the okami hd remaster was fantastic. hexadrive are technowizards.
hexadrive.sblo.jp/article/59698038.html#more

Yep, I gotta get the fuck out of this place, America is killing my mind and spirit.

Ubi kind of did it with Watch Dogs when they intentionally turned off fixes and graphically options on the PC version compared to the PS4 version.

Please leave

dragon's dogma didn't sell 9 million units on pc, it sold 299K copies.

Download an old torrent and check.

Is this a joke Why does the remaster look worse? Why doesn't it even look as good as Arkham Knight?

Where would you go?

Probably Japan. I know people there, they'd help me get established, and then I could drown in a sea of friendship, apathy and xenophobia.

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Yes, thats around 9Mil of revenue

ah, baby numbers. It made over double that in its first week in Japan only.

Congrats, you answered the only correct answer.

R* did an 'update' to the Steam version of San Andreas that turned it into the worse looking mobile version and got rid of a chunk of the soundtrack.

Holy fucking shit. It's finally happened. Hardware with remasters so worthless they're worse than the original. Wow.

It's been happening for years. Surely you're familiar with Silent Hill HD and Zone of the Enders HD.

At least those were debatable, from a console standpoint, even if only the rare person thought so. This is blatantly awful.

post yfw next gen looks worse than last gen.

Didn't the "Definitive" edition of Sleeping Dogs do this?

No, they really weren't debatable. Especially for the 360 players of the zone of the enders HD. They were awful in every way and a flat out downgrade not even worth considering. Honestly, they are a lot worse than a mediocre port of a mediocre batman game.

Yes, but considering the port barely had any marketing and hype, was 4 years late, and cost less than 500K to port, likely even less due to it being MT Framework.

Id say they made a pretty good profit also:

please use archive.is/2012/05/30/this-week-in-sales-dragons-dogma-flies-high/
huh

digging that hole deep, aren't you, champ. Dragon's Dogma was also one of Campcom's most expensive games to develop, but one of the cheapest they marketed. Yet despite this, it sold many millions on consoles. It was by no means the success they wanted, but hey, a few million at 60 bucks a piece, and an expansion at 40 bucks a piece that probably scored at .7 million units shipped is nothing to scoff at. Still more money they made than on the PC port, which despite being the best version of the game, proved there's no audience worth catering to on the PC for these kinds of games. Despite all that marketing the console version didn't get, it sold pretty darn well. I thought console games needed marketing to succeed? Turns out word of mouth is pretty good too. Better on console than on PC, it seems.

Keep digging, it's funny. Your waifu is also shit.

I was about to say how the remaster looks marginally better than the original.
Then I realized I was looking at them backwards.

thanks Mark.
archive.is/XB0yi

what the fuck

Yay woo a graphics upgrade/downgrade
My question is will it revamp that godawful, fucking joke of a combat system?

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Well no shit PC is going to have the majority there, physical is almost nonexistant anymore on Pc whereas consoles still have a huge market for physical releases.

Nigger.

Someone post the image of nintendo fans before and after then Persona announcement if we're gonna start shit flinging

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Nobody wants
Nobody likes
Console wars
>>>/cuckchan/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/neogaf/

It's comparing PS4 to the original PC at 4k not the 360/ps3 version.

It's not a fair comparison why not do PS4 vs PS3, the PC shill just wanted to make PS4 look bad.

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what

what else
WHAT A FUCKING GREAT GEN LADS
CANT WAIT FOR REMASTERS OF THE REMASTERS

It's like you want to be called a cuck

wait prototype was remastered?

Yes

user, no one has to try to make the PS4 look bad.

yes. on xone only i think dont bother it has horrible performance
FUCKING REMASTERS LOOK AND PERFORM WORSE THAN ORIGINALS

I don't even have current gen and I have PC so no worries

Now thats idiotic

vgchartz.com/game/86203/valkyria-chronicles/

no worries, just multiplats, several year old console ports, and indie clique shit

ok

Did they mislabel this or something?

nice one, you sure showed me the error of my ways friend

that's nice, I'm just saying why I lost interest in dedicated PC gaming. Bad service overall.

As opposed to consoles with their multiplats, 7 year old last gen console ports, and indie clique shit. All more expensive and performing worse.

I'm more interested in games like bayonetta 2, tropical freeze, gravity rush 2, bloodborne, yakuza. Hyperlight drifter? Titan Souls? I mean, if you like it, that's fine. I don't. Bore the shit out of me instead. RTS games? That's nice, but still, not my thing.

The games I like most are made almost entirely on console, or are doujin games and are cheap on PC. Gaming on PC is more like an occasional novelty, not my go to.

It's because they're the least retarded out of everyone now.

Nintendo absolutely shot themselves in the foot last year, and though MS seems to try to turn themselves around, the smell of the horrible Xbone reveal and how cancerous Windows 10 is still lingers over them.

downdetector.com/status/playstation-network

Woah

German here, I am speaking from experience and can definitely conclude that you are a cuck

Dude, you know, you are kinda obnoxious with shoehorning your shit waifu in there.

Is this hard for you to understand, my cognitively handicapped friend?

oh, it is hard for you to understand. Well, good luck. Remember to breathe every so often.

You just wait for the ps4.25, then you'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE

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The thing that released long time after it did on consoles?
How are you so stupid, fam?

I didn't ask for Nazi opinions. I checked all my posts, and I did Nazi anything asking for Nazi opinions.

this game is even older yet it sold more
can you please think of a consistent train of logic

The fucking framerate holy shit

7 years. A current gen console can't run a 7 year old WELL OPTIMIZED PC game. It's terrifying. I'm not being hateful on consoles, but this kind of shit is why graphics are stagnating on every platforms nowadays.

thats the point

If I said I was surprised that you were a weeaboo with poor taste in vidya I would be lying

Sure thing

0/10

its a bad port, shit happens when you have developers that don't give a fuck. I don't think it's a port of the PC version, considering how different the assets look.

Nice console war
Do you actually feel like you need to defend your platform as being the best, are you for fucking real?

What are you 12 years old? Jesus fuck grow the fuck up

why are you so upset right now?

Are you a journo or something?

No it's you that's mad.

You know it's really easy to hide shitposters, right? Well, I hope you're having fun.

Yeah, great argument, just what I expected from someone that engages in console war like an halfchanner

Dont misunderstand
Im only correcting misinfo spread by a platform warrior, nothing more.

k

but really, why are you so upset? If you don't like it, why come into the thread at all when it's been, from the start, console war shit?

Go on a diet fatty.

Thanks for delivering the proof I needed, Ill just filter you now.

Exclusives dont mean a better system unless theres a huge number of them (PS2). Otherwise it just means the system keeps the games hostage. Theres no real reason why there wouldnt be a pc version out of all the games you listed, other than the fact they had to make a contract where the games are exclusive for that one system only.

PC runs way less risk to run a port in, namely because doing a port or even doing a game on PC is much cheaper than doing it on consoles. Not only game development itself but also the way its distributed.

Participating and fueling is just as bad as starting it.

Not to mention avatarposting shitty anime is like a double offence, but I'll just give a warning this time. Make sure you don't get caught again ma'am.

everytime

You may have a point in there being some differences but this is fucking ridiculous. It's a multiplat That I don't recall having any differences between the 360 and PS3 and running on Unreal 3. It's not like they're trying to fit Crisis onto the PS2.

No new Lego Racers ever ever

I was just trying to see if it was a legit console warrior or just a shitposter.
Its apparently the second fortunately.

Tell me this is a joke. Nearly everything but characters' lips look much worse in the remaster!

Yes, actually, this "current" gen is a joke.

Fuck, I really enjoyed Not Super Mario Kart.
Sequel was rash thought

ah, another cuckold

you have this misconception from the start about exclusives. It's not about keeping them hostage, or anything like that. It's about getting the game made, and getting it made the best they can at the time. There's a lot of limitations in the game industry, I'm sure we'll well aware of, some of the biggest games of the past year were crippled by them. Games like MGSV. Shit sucks, but it happens, it's the reality of the situation.

The way exclusives work, is they are typically pitched or contracted. A studio makes a game, pitches it to a publisher (either a fund and distribution centric publisher like Capcom - or a secondary funding/technical support and console publisher like Sony - all it comes down to is money and getting the game made) Same rules apply, generally. They get money, the game gets made after a certain amount of time and deadlines are met.

Exclusivity deals happen because the publisher said "hey, we'll help you get your game made, provide technical support, financial support, and maybe we can work in a delay or two if you need it - if you make the game just for our system." This is an appealing opportunity for developers, who more often than not, don't give a fuck about platform politics. They don't care about muh freedumb of PC gaming, they don't care about console wars. They want to make their game, and make it the best game they can.

It's pretty simple, practical, and logical stuff to conclude at. Exclusives are made because these things are offered. The platform holder wants exclusives to make their system more appealing. And if it ends up resulting in better games being made? Awesome, that's great.

I completely disagree with the notion that exclusives are bad for gamers. I think this is a conclusion made by people with a lack of insight, and simply see a game that isn't available to them and they think it's unfair. Sure, it's unfair. But exclusives are good for gamers. The best games are usually exclusives. I think we can all agree we want more great games, more interesting games, and more games that work as intended. Sure, it sucks some people can't play them, but it's better that is the case than them never being made at all.

Journos aren't allowed to give lower than a 6/10

wew lad

Pic related

didn't you filter me and run away? At least be consistent, cuck.

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How's the new uncharted? Still looks as amazing as first trailers showed?

From Software got their Souls-series games made just fine despite them hitting the PC. The PC version of the first game was superior to the PS3-version, same with Dark Souls 3's PS4-version vs PC-version, the PC version wins by default on all fronts. You get a better running, better supported version of the game with a cheaper price. Console cant compete with that.

With your logic Bloodborne, Kuon, and King's Fields are all actually better than Souls games because they were system exclusives. Your very own examples of games youre interested about makes your points look retarded.

Theres absolutely no good reason for something to be exclusive, unless the game is designed solely for the system with some unique feature that others do not provide. For example, Silent Hill Shattered Memories had a good reason to be exclusive because of the way the game was meant to be played. But even then they made a lackluster PS2-version of it anyway.

And before going "muh mustard race!", I'm all for multi-platforming, even for PC-exclusives. Games should not be held as hostage in a system for some arbitrary reason. Otherwise we get a lot of hidden gems that will remain hidden because theyre hard as fuck to find or even play in the future, like what has happened with many great PS2-exclusives and first Xbox-exclusives. Its a detriment for the game itself, the company who made them in the long run and gaming as a whole when promising games get buried because of console exclusive bullshit (not to mention regional distribution bullshit). No exception, no excuse.

Heres some more HD remaster comparisons.

This game is not nearly old enough to be getting this sort of treatment.

You've a got long to go before you top (215), but you've made a good start with this post.

Nigger stop replying, this is what he wants

Excuse me? That's offensive.

That's true for about 90% of the "Remakes" happening these days. It's a combination of Publishers wanting to double dip with a cheap port that idiots will buy, and no backwards compatibility. And what's worse is these hacks fuck it up every time. Like they could just grab a fucking Texture mod and an ENB to make it look better, but do it the hard way for a shittier product.

Coming soon to PC

demon's souls was the springboard for dark souls, and how was it made? Namco saw a good game and a deal with from soft for 3 games. The PC version wasn't even on the table at first. The game wasn't better supported however. There were too few servers, anyone can tell you how much of a pain in the ass it was to invade, summon, or even interact with players most of the time thanks to the shitty server infrastructure that required mods to fix.

Dark Souls 3 also suffered from being multiplat. Poise is still broken, and it's jarring how much better looking, playing, and designed bloodborne is. I think it goes to show how two different publishers handle things. I think that's a much better comparison. Two similar types of games, one being made for 3 platforms, and it ends up being a lesser game in the end. Bloodborne, a more focused game which was given ample development time, ended up outshining the two multiplatform games it was released around. It's always a little sad when a console game looks notably better than a PC game from the same company, released a year later.

Fortunately, for both the Xbox and the PS2, it's very easy to play backups if you spend a bit of time on modding your systems. I think that's the best way to play any system you have an interest in.

Here's the issue, however. You have these contracts that get these games made in the first place, and the distribution is up to the contractor. Right? The PC has no environment that enables that. So these major developers have much less interest, and incentive to work on the platform at all. Their game may not even get made, they'll likely be paying for most of, technical issues won't be addressed well by Nvidia or AMD's lackluster tech teams and solutions, and if the game gets made at all, it's bound to have some major issues. PC development is a nightmare for this reason. For people that just want to make their game and make it as good as they can, with as little trouble as they can, surely you can understand why exclusives are so appealing. And of course, because these games are being made at all, we benefit from that.

no source, no port.

According to Miyazaki, Poise is working "as intended." No clue as to what it allegedly does.

Here
archive.is/Yutik

Whatever you need to tell yourself. You've had you're head burred in the sand if you haven't been seeing Sega transfer more and more of their licenses, not to mention we've had leaks of them at the very least wanting to do it, at the most working towards it full on.

I love how you consolefags get so offended at the thought of one of your precious exclusives making it to PC, when all it means is we'll get a better smoother running version of the game to play later on down the line.

But nope, all you babies have are your exclusives so you cry every time they get taken away and given to the masses.

No, it's not working in any version of the game. Dark Souls 3 has some serious flaws, of the likes of which bloodborne never experienced. It seems that despite the game turning out much better, it's still got some notable flaws, maybe from being rushed.

well yeah, I need to see sega making an announcement saying "Yakuza is coming to PC" for it to be happening. It's really not that hard. Do you just believe in things that have no confirmation in the slightest?

Video games don't come out based on your faith, m8.

Shitposter kun doesnt care about online thought, so its ok

I wish I knew who they were catering to.

And that answers absolutely nothing. People still don't know what it fucking does.

It works in a "situational" capacity, but it's not Havel's fucking armor from Dark Souls 1 where you can just run around and soak up hits all day.

okay?

nichegamer.com/2015/10/06/sega-is-working-on-a-string-of-high-quality-pc-ports/

nichegamer.com/2016/05/11/sega-is-looking-into-how-to-make-shenmue-1-and-2-hd-a-reality/

nichegamer.com/2015/03/02/sega-downsizing-and-refocusing-on-mobile-and-pc-markets-may-be-for-the-better/

nichegamer.com/2016/01/03/rumor-sega-heavily-considering-yakuza-series-hatsune-miku-more-for-pc-release/

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Again though, why do you consolefags get so defensive about exclusives slipping out of your hands?

Again: It's just a better version of the game that will be more accessible later. You shouldn't be growing skeptical and mad throwing "m8"s out at me.

I'm a Yakuza fan who owns the whole series, I'm excited to see it on PC and hopefully finally find the audience it deserves instead of the ungrateful console cucks who are too focused on the latest CoD-meets-Halo clone to give a fuck about Yakuza. A PC release would be a great thing for the series and it's fans.

So it provides synergy to hyper armor? Awful.

Thats a very subjective opinion. The fighting system in Bloodborne is not quite as good as in Souls games.

You're writing this, assuming that consoles never have disastrous launches of games, cancelled games, rushed out games or clusterfuck of production nightmares. Part of the reason why N64 has a way smaller library of games than PSX is the fact distribution in the form of cartridges was more costly for developers than distributing the games via CD discs. Thats why majority of them abandoned N64 and PSX won the console war and Nintendo finally got a serious competitor out of Sony. How cheap and risky it is to develop and publish your game matters a lot.

Advantage with PCs is, development and distribution in every single aspect is cheaper and less risky, side-effect of that of course is PC has worse quality control in the market than consoles, resulting in a lot of shovelware being released. Enough of a side-effect to give a bad rep for PC as a platform for indie-prototypes and ero-games in Japan whereas consoles are meant more for finished products. But nowadays when we have consoles also drowning in shovelware, they dont have that same leverage they used to have.

And all of that still does not change the fact the PC is by all margins a more developer-friendly platform, even to port your game to. Your talks of developing for it being a "nightmare" are not based on anything. Modern consoles are not like PS2 used to be at the time, they do not offer anything different from PC, except games that cost more for less performance. Even most of japanese publishers have woken up to this fact and now do the laziest ports imaginable to PC simply because its not very risky and brings in a lot of dough anyway.

lmoa

Im pretty sure its the same one guy
He always uses DD as an argument.

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don't forget to breathe m8

There was discussion of people going through game files, and noticing poise being disabled entirely for equipment.

link 1:
nothing
nothing
nothing solid. So it may as well not even be happening yet. Look, it's not hard to understand. If there's no announcement, there's no game. When Sega says they're making it, or there's some internal leak or something, then there's something to go on. I'd love to see the games on PC, but as it is, there's nothing solid yet. Everything is a hunch, or an assumption.

see above, the m8 was a friendly gesture, btw.

it's not a more friendly platform. It's very simple to understand, you have 3 main GPU manufacturers to consider and all their different architectures, especially if you're targeting low ends. 3 major software platforms to consider, worse if you're targeting vista/xp/dx9 configs. Why do you think there's been so many notably bad PC ports these past few years? The games are barely more advanced than say, Crysis. But all of the sudden, games are asking for 16GB or more of RAM. It may not even be using it, like we saw way back with cod ghosts. Ports are getting worse, and the hardware isn't being utilized effectively.

What makes development on consoles more accessible is technical issues can easily be handled with the console manufacturer supporting you. You try to render something a specific way, it isn't working right? There's technical forums, people you can contract briefly, support you can refer to in order to get your game working as intended. On PC, there's nightmare stories of AMD and Nvidia's support forums. Gameworks was an attempt to solve this problem, but it only made things worse for AMD users, which just means more issues for developers to concern themselves with.

I also don't think you're giving the Japanese enough credit. Firstly, they've been making PC games since PC gaming was a thing. And to this day, there's plenty of great games that come out on the PC exclusively from Japanese devs. I play them every year, they're what I look forward to most. Secondly, despite some odd issues with some ports, like DaS 1 and 2 (the most notable examples I can think of) many other developers have no problems what so ever. Capcom for example.

He just keeps going

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I didn't link those links so if you think refuting them and not my logical points is refuting me you're stupider than you look.

Also, "m8" is what you say when you want to condescend to someone. It's very passive aggressive, not friendly.

"m8" is actually something underage Holla Forums weekender Redditors such as him say.

I use son or boy when I'm being condescending to people. It doesn't matter if you didn't link them, the reply still works when directed at you. I'd be just as excited as you would be if Sega came out tomorrow and said Yakuza is coming to the PC. For now, we have nothing like that to go on. Just guesses and rumors.

Out of curiosity, what conference is that from?

Sony E3 2015 newfag

Except that they don't. Microsoft and Nintendo both in particular are constantly told to be one of the least 3rd party developer friendly distributors, often requiring the game developers to figure out the kinks of their systems all by themselves. That was the main reason Wii was drowned in shovelware party games and why Wii U is suffering from a small library of games outside the usual.

Nowadays developing for PC is easier than ever, which is why theres so much shovelware in it. Nowadays you have to worry less about the GPU manufacturers since most smaller games are done with Unreal engines or similar that already sort that stuff out for them. And doing a game engine from scratch is always risky no matter what platform we're talking about.

Your logic does not work. If PC was a nightmare to develop to, there wouldnt be so many indie titles, smaller studios and shovelware scam artists doing such a huge volume of games to it constantly. Fuck, walking simulators would not even be a thing if developing a game for PC was difficult, as SJWs are not very good game developers.

You'll find that I was talking about major releases, big exclusives that are backed by companies, like Bloodborne. You can always do something that just werks. But when you have to go above and beyond, like the teams behind batman arkham knight did, or the witcher 3, you can get some serious issues. Like they did.

And for PC you can create same quality games with smaller studios than teams for less of the risk than if you would sign an exclusive contract for a console. Pic related.

Problem with exclusives once again is the fact you're limiting the exposure and sales of your own game, like what games like the newest Tomb Raider showed. Severely delayed PC version hurt its sales and exposure. Whereas on the other side Capcom was pleased to see how the PC port of Dragon's Dogma was a huge success and made them consider doing more PC ports in the future.

There is really no good excuse for exclusives nowadays. You might have had an excuse for it back in the day when consoles still had something to go with in a market other than an established brand, not anymore. The console generation is switching record-fast, mostly due to how lukewarm reception this gen has had. They offer NOTHING that PC couldnt do better, which is why theres no excuse for them to have exclusives.

Only way for exclusives to be justified on a system would be if there would be a fuckload of them in that one system, something modern systems dont even have. So theres no real reason Bloodborne could not have a PC version right now.

Why are you doing this?

Honestly I think he's baiting the neofag in to going for a new record

you're making worse games then, like what you posted. A tribute to classic dungeon crawlers. Pretty good on its own, but apart from its graphics technology, there's dungeon crawlers from the early 90s that are more sophisticated.

not necessarily. Unlike the PC, some systems have an almost guaranteed audience. In the case of PC, the audience is so small, you will not be selling many copies, so it becomes more difficult to justify porting your game to such a complicated, and needy platform.

yeah there is. Here's one: Someone pays for the entire development and distribution of your game. Like how most exclusives are produced.

except for the exclusives, I agree. If you actually play games though, you were best off with a console and a handheld in the end.

the problem with this, is it "could" do these things better. In practice this requires a lot more work to make sure most people have an ideal experience.

except that Sony owns it and paid for its development, sure. It could exist on the PC. It just never will. This isn't hard to understand, right? You pay for something, you own it. That's usually how it goes.

it would help if I link your post. I get distracted sometimes with replying to bits of a post.

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u wot m8?

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Yeah. Look at the sales data. It all points to a small audience.

CLAP FOR YOUR TWO TIME CHAMPS AND FEEL THE POWER

Nice sources there champ.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/#3a6ed0686f69

And there are tons of other sources like this. It's common fact that PC is surpassing consoles at this point.

Is it just me or does the original has better lightning and looks all around better?.

steamspy.com/app/214950

steamspy.com/app/72850

steamspy.com/app/222880

steamspy.com/app/219640

I use actual sales data, such as steamspy as my source. Try looking it up and comparing games some time. The more consistent audience is on consoles, despite there supposedly being what, 300 million steam accounts now?

skyrim is a fair point, some others are more difficult to stand by and some are staple genres. I've made some heavier points earlier in the thread, you're welcome to look back.

Can't handle the truth? Your whining won't make it go away.

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No you don't. As far as I can tell your only source is the hot air rushing out of your ass.

Show me your sources that indicate that console has more users than PC. I've shown you mine and you've hand waved it.

Frankly you're acting like a delusional cuck.

Top Cuck

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You dont want to do this mate

steamspy.com/app/28050

steamspy.com/app/218620

steamspy.com/app/211420

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Did you mean to toss Shantae in there?

It's the only good game in there.

Yes, why not?

I wasn't talking to you.

PC games like LoL and Starcraft have become a national sport in some countries. World of Tanks is played by over 40 million people still up to day. Minecraft is the single most popular game among the children nowadays. Name me a console exclusive game that has managed to do the same.

Aaaand casual detected. Time for you to start playing more games.

And now you're gonna have to deal with me, so buckle up, bitch, you're in for a ride.

He says right here that hes a mentally ill weeaboo with shit taste.

You what

Its not the fact that he likes those titles, its the fact that he disregards everything else and a shitton of genres.

I dunno, it just doesn't seem to fit with the rest, what with only being 110,000 sales and all. Certainly not bad for a kickstarter, but still.

Not a shit taste, just a very casual taste.

you had a good point before, now you're just tripping all over yourself.

There are many nuances to this. Such as why would Rome 2 Total War be a several million seller on PC? It's a staple PC genre.

have you ever heard of ultima underworld? I prefer my dungeon crawlers like that, and Arx Fatalis. King's Field, Shadow Tower, Dungeons & Darkness. Less tiles and numbers, more action and skill. It's why Thief, a PC exclusive, is my favorite game of all time. A skill and design focused game.

free to play. These aren't game units sold.
a staple! A classic RTS e-sport. Next you'll be dropping counter-strike.
Minecraft also sold most of its units on platforms other than the PC.

Ultimately, it comes down to the different types of audiences. PC has a spread out one, and ones that tend to stick to one or two free games for a long time. The audience that plays a wide variety of games is mostly on consoles.

He doesn't play games m8, he doesn't know shit about 'em unless gayben is shitting them into his plate.

Half Genie isnt out nigger, this is a 3DS port.

Oh, my bad. Still.

like most PC games today

Most games are multiplats, news at 9/11.

not true, but the best games usually aren't.

hey

Uhh, no.

Yes true.

yeah, even from the same company, like bloodborne compared to dark souls 3.

Yeah, you have nothing

Im sure your favorite game is Yakuza 3, and dont worry about 6, Im sure it will be released in the West in 3 years.

Even 5% of that 40 million is a lot of players. And that is still 40 million people playing that PC game, which means they are the games audience.

LoL has become superpopular in China to a point it rivals Starcraft in the player's level of obsession. And all of those people watching people play it or play it themselves are the AUDIENCE of those games, which happen to be on PCs.

Irrelevant, thats not what you were talking about in the first place. You were saying PC has no reliable audience. Don't try to squirm your way out of this one with lame excuses or shifting goalposts.

It's Thief the dark project, can you read?

and it doesn't. LoL has hundreds of millions of players. Not hundreds of millions that will buy the next big PC game.

Do you know how this works?

Audience != people who buy any future big title unconditionally, buddy.

yeah, that's what I've been saying. Having a hard time looking for "gotcha's" aren't we?

Those are PC players that will support the game with money and keep throwing more money at it for all eternity if possible. Not just a single copy-worth of money, but we're talking hundreds of dollars every year. And in the meantime they will keep playing that game on their PCs, putting their money to a PC game.

Lame excuse, once again.

I meant favorite game in the series you obtuse fuck

Most console players only buy CoD, Fifa and yearly garbage.
You just admitted that all your arguments are shit, good job.

Tsk.

lmao

nope. I've been saying from the start, more people that play games like dragon's dogma, games like yakuza, games like bloodborne, etc, etc. Are playing on consoles. Not on PC. Why is this so hard for you to get?

No you have not
>>>/neofag/

Why do they keep doing this?

at least you're consistent with your scapegoats. I can always rely on you for that. Could you post more of your garbage waifu, by the way?

Oh, and could you tell me about neogaf? I'm not familiar with it. You seem to know a lot about it.

incompetence mostly

Unscaled models to fit the resolutions and lightning that doesnr fit the game

OH SHIT SATAN IS OPENING A PORTAL TO HELL

>>>/neogaf/

Yes, this makes sense. Audiences don't exist, it's one big melting pot and if you won't mix your genes with the other races then it's problematic.

ew, uncharted 4? If that's your kind of game, that's fine. I'd rather play something with more depth.

not how it works

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They also flattened her tits

The make games for pc for marketing purposes.

That is how it works, though. Games have audiences. The assfaggots audience is massive, the roguelikes audience is small.

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Good, it doesn't push for impossible body standards in a video game about a black man fighting crime. We can't have that in 2012.

Why dont you want to push him further? We might have another Evolve/Star Citizen shill in our hands.

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I think you know, Mr (38)

i agree, autists like him should be embraced, not shunned

That looks so much worse it's not even funny. What the fuck are they doing?

He doesnt even try to make an argument anymore, he just discredits the other arguments with one liners.
All the fun he could bring to the table is gone.

All sonyfags/neofaggers are lightweights at best. There's no way he could've ever gotten a rise out of anybody.

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Now, if only graphical quality would fully swan-dive into barebones crap, so gameplay would actually need to be not-shit to make up for it. Ah fuck it, who am I kidding, they'd still make nothing but endless semi-playable cutscenes full of pozzed nonsense nd 2deep4u games about how the hipster author got cucked and liked it, even if we went all the way back to 2D vector graphics. Making good, fun and entertaining vidya takes actual effort, and we're sure as shit not seeing that make a comeback anytime soon, so long as being a useless artsy hipster faggot with connections or churning out endless barely-different sequels on brand recognition alone can make endless profit reliably.

Also, on the note of PC versus all consoles versus each other, there's no fucking point to it anymore, at least in the old days you could argue some had better quality-to-trash ratios than others, but not anymore. Every game-playing machine of every type now is bogged down with 95% worthless garbage, and only has at most 5% of its library being genuinely-good and fun. PC has Steam, indieshit and shovelware all flooding its market with diarrhea on top of two shitty OS options out of three, and every console is being pushed by corporate retards whose only concept of a video game is "overpriced thing that prints money", meaning almost all console games are equally-awful by virtue of oversaturation of big-budget crap, indie circlejerk nonsense and utter shovelware alike.

We're all in the shitter together regardless of our personal choice of toilet manufacturer, motherfuckers, it's high time you started acting like it. Just because your toilet has neon lights or flushes with slightly more pressure doesn't mean it isn't full of shit, it just means you're either happily stomping around in crap or yelling at your neighbor while he tries to do the same with his own different toilet, rather than getting out of the goddamned toilet and doing something non-retarded instead.

The sooner everyone recognizes that everything is shit no matter what fancy label is printed on it, the sooner we can all let it burn while do something more gratifying to hold us over until vidya isn't shit anymore. For example, jerking off, which at least provides guaranteed brain chemicals that make you feel good, unlike most of this crap where getting anything good out of it is like winning the lottery while getting struck by a meteorite and lighting at the same time.

Fuck it, carry on then
You wont get him to (215) thought

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Difference is that PC can backwards compatibility, gives better performance and can emulate.

you shouldn't underestimate the power of autism friend

There'll never be another Evolve incident. Not with Mark's constant boner for ruining anti-shilling. Just look at how he protected NuDoom.

What?

If he didn't intervene for shit, and the usual rules were followed, then there'd be one NuDoom thread made by a shill getting shat on, and nothing more.

What he did was classic Jewry, in making people think that they were winning, when in reality, the thread he made protected the shills in their own thread from shitposting they could've faced, in the first place.

Sneaky Jew. No?

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It looks like he's given up. You are right though, he seemed to have stopped caring, writing single sentences with only a refutation and no autistic argumentation at all.

You can do whatever you want in the general thread aside from porn, pretty much everyone aside from Beth sholls are shitting on it.

Game is literally kill 5 enemies on a semi open map before you're locked into an arena.

if only the gameplay followed the graphics

Never again

Besides, these "cycling" threads suck ass, and you know just why.

This is a development/"work in progress" version, right?

This thread has been really great, all the autistic faggots decided to out themselves in this one convenient thread, was really easy and efficient to block them all in one fell swoop. Thanks for making it so easy waifufags/consolewarfags/retardedfags.

No problem

Launched on PC 4 years after the console

Literal piece of shit

Even bigger peice of shit

You sure showed us how console fags like to buy shit games, at least they are not retarded to buy the same game twice

Lots of people have both pc's and consoles, but only fucking retards buy the same game twice, for fucks sake 4 YEARS LATER they launch for pc and you expect people TO BUY IT AGAIN? Kill yourself

unless you are talking about ps2 era, the quality of games after that went into freefall

[citation needed]

that doesn't make fucking sense

Jesus christ dude, the most popular games in the world are on PC, ie. WoW, mincraft, lol, dota, world of tanks, counter strike, starcraft. How the fuck does that make the PC audience "small"?

And you also used vgcharts, which we all know is in no way precise and mainly based on predictions

yet they are the most profitable games in the world

grimrock is a more casualized dungeon crawler, but that does not make it bad

[citation needed]

I don't even understand what you mean by "audience" anymore

PC has the most diverse audience out there, there are multiple genres that don't even exist in consoles, just look at Paradox, they even made their own sub-genre and are now laughing all their way to the bank because normalfags are starting to play gsg, stellaris being the most casual gsg and the fastest selling paradox game is proof of that.

Assfaggots genre is the biggest, most played and one of the (I don't remember the number one, it was also some free to play shit that the chinese love) most profitable genres in the world, valve basically doesn't only organizes the international and bullfrog does some fun events and balancing and the profits are insane, you can't just ignore microtransactions.

Even fuckin gog is laughing all the way to the bank selling abandonware and moralfags throw money at them.

Any toaster can play gog abandonware or Steam games that are a decades old, like thousasnds of people still play age of empires 2 to this day, so the potential for a PC audience is like, everyone in the world? As long as it's a very light game.

On every genre PC has many more options to choose from, which is, as far as I know, a really fucking good thing. So what kind of audience are you talking about? The normalfag that religiously buys only from a few developers? If that is so, then thank god they are not on pc, we don't need more normalfags falling for the hype.

I cannot name a single HD remake that actually made the game look better or justified the purchase over the original game.

Also reminder that the Silent Hill remake changed some text to comic sans.

I routinely bring up the Arkham Asylum and City games as proof the Unreal 3 engine was horribly handled by devs last gen, and this is only further emphasizing that the people making games now are fucking idiots.

user, 360 and PS3 were pulling these graphics as well, just not with as much fine detail.
These remasters are genuinely just worse.

I know this may not have actually occurred to you, but just because Silent Hill HD became infamous for ruining the original and Master Chief Collection became infamous for not doing it's fucking job doesn't mean it can't happen again since both of those made their money back and then some.

I just assumed they'd improve the framerate and the game resolution. Remember when we complained when they remade Butcher Bay because it was too new? Holy shit.

We did? Nobody cared about it, even when it was one of the finest console anything last gen
And it was improved a lot over the already good original one