Devoted Nation (Minecraft + Civilization Building)

What the fuck am I reading. Communism is a state-less money-less society.

Why do I get the feeling when pressed on this you're going to spiral into the sort of hairsplitting semantics that makes people hate getting involved with leftist theory?

Pretty sure in-practice communist states still had states of some sort. (U.S.S.R., Cuba, China)

I'm fairly certain you're going to be the type that calls these all "state capitalism" though, right?

With such a small group there is no need for laws or administrative bodies as the natural tendencies of its members to use disapproval and gossip will be enough to regulate the group and keep conflicts and deviance from getting out of hand. In the worst case scenario when somebody is being a dick and ordinary disapproval doesn't work, you can just administer a beating like actual primitive peoples did, or just kill him if that fails.

Explicit substantive and regulatory laws and dedicated administrative bodies are only necessary in large, complex and heterogenous societies within which strangers interact on a regular basis. This is silly.

None of those states even described themselves as communist. They called themselves socialist (which people argue they weren't because the workers didn't own the MoP - the state still acted as employer and extracted surplus value from workers via wage labour hence state capitalism). Communism is understood to be the state of affairs that develops out of socialism once the state has withered, classes have been eliminated and money no longer exists. It is by definition stateless, but nobody expects it to arrive in their lifetimes or has much in the way of praxis related to achieving it. We're more concerned with achieving socialism first.

Incidentally, though, primitive people and especially hunter-gatherers generally live in a state of communism that we know as primitive communism. It is communist in that there is no state, there are no classes, and no private property. There is still personal property, and things are produced for use rather than for sale. The idea behind communism is to have that state of affairs but with the benefit of a cosmopolitan industrial society.

I knew you were going to do the communism has never been tried meme soon as I saw your post. Have fun theorizing on the fringes for the entirety of your life.

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I am stating a fact, which is that no contemporary society has achieved a state of affairs where there is no state, no money and no classes. It has not happened.

you are a stupid faggot

Oh, and

I haven't posted any smug faces, I've just been reading and responding. I personally come from a more Left Libertarian belief set, I just wanted to get some different ideas going. Yes, the government's very low level, but I didn't want to go at this as managing cavemen so much as a small rural community, where there's obviously "civilization" and organization but on a small, somewhat personal scale.

Please no bully, yes autismblocs is autistic I'm very aware. Can't stop myself from enjoying it though.

Still hoping some of you join the Discord, it'd be neat if you guys tried to do something yourselves now that I think about it. I'm willing to help out if you guys go for it.

Have fun convincing people you want to create an egalitarian, stateless world from your parents spare room in a country that doesn't even have a healthcare system.

have fun never experiencing a meaningful connection with another human being in your entire miserable life you autistic fuckpile

You do realize you essentially asking us to help you with your doofy politics project, and then scoffing at the people actually willing to respond to you, right?

You came to a leftist board, asking for input. People offered leftist input. And now you're throwing a tantrum because people here understand theory better than you and are correcting your false assumptions.

Do you realize how insufferable you are acting?

The one posting smug faces is me, sorry about that. And anyway, while that sounds like something that could theoretically be interesting, I prefer Factorio as far as my autistic vidya goes. Gotta get that personal FALC.

I would like to mention however that while primitive communities do manage fairly well without money and without written rules, it does happen that when people who are already inculturated with the ideology of capitalism or what have you revert into barbarism, they tend to retain commodity fetishism and hierarchies, so it would at least be valid from that perspective even if actual indigenous societies don't bother with that stuff.

You're not actually responding to the minecraft guy, my dude. The guy you're responding to seems to be an entirely different stray autist.

well shit, ain't that something

That isn't the OP, christ. I'm OP. If you see somebody trying to derail, that's far from my doing. I think that those of you that too that took the problem into consideration and responded helped. I definitely believe I want to implement Landsgemeinde in part if not in whole, but I'll look at some input from other places too and see how things go. I'm hoping you'll guys will keep on talking about this though.

Eh whatever floats your boat I guess. Holla Forums tends to be over represented among the chan states on Devoted/Civcraft, I was hoping you guys would be interested in trying your states or lack thereof out alongside the little group I've got. I'm interested in supporting any chan group with a strong appreciation for freedom, regardless of how they organize.

Admittedly it'd be fun to watch the Holla Forumstards go apeshit too, especially if you guys manage to be less dysfunctional.

Direct democracy as was mentioned here already.

I have no idea what is it you are going to manage, what tools do you have available, and how fast decisions are needed to be made, but if 3-day lag is acceptable, then there is absolutely no reason to go representative or invent upper/lower parliaments.

If you need to appoint representatives for something, then make them recallable by their … constituency at any moment.

That said, system of governance is less important in games than the people you playing with.

Anarcho-Wolffism is not Marxism. Communism is economy.

I'm not familiar with Meinkraft
what kinda scarce recources are there so that you need regulative bodies?
what about means of production?

If it's not modded then I really see no reason for any organisation. The tech tree in unmodded MC is shallow as fuck.

There's an industrial system in the form of Factorymod, which is used to get some higher level protections and materials for building and reinforcement. The factories are also expensive to produce without a collective effort, so there is a degree of cooperation required regardless of the circumstance.

Mineral drops are rarer than your standard Minecraft server and there's several resources created from NBT info'd variants on standard in game materials that are required for factory construction and manufacturing.

Also there's always the matter of urban planning and architectural guidelines, combined with figuring out basic laws for private property if such a think should exist.

See:

There is a tech tree.

already playing, mate.
Had you played on civ 2.0 ?
There is a chan federation on this server just go to /civ/ (here on 8ch) to speak with 'em.

I mean the chan federation is on Devoted.

Are there other factions on the server? That might determine whether you will need to have to design your government to resist imperialism from outside.

For more than a few reasons we're looking to create a system/government outside that group and political sphere.

Yes, very much so. Most are autocratic states this early on, though a few major ones will probably become representative democracies or council states.

Minecraft has undoubtedly proven that a communist mode of production creates the most fun and most productivity for all.