Is there any non-socialist left-wing ideology? is an agorism an example of such a ideology?

is there any non-socialist left-wing ideology? is an agorism an example of such a ideology?

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Some forms of individualist anarchism and some forms of distributism.

There are no capitalist left-wing ideologies since capitalist property rights are the primary mode unequal, exploitative and authoritarian relations are practiced and maintained.

Well, depends what you mean by "leftist".

Isn't agorism just an euphemism for anarcho-capitalism?

Gorbachev would be proud of you.

Go and say it on >>>/anarcho/ I dare you.

To my knowledge, some forms of individualist anarchism oppose capitalist property relations (no absentee ownership, everyone has the right to the full product of their labor) without directly advocating any kind of socialist, collective organization.

Individualist anarchism in the sense of Stirner is definitely socialist. American "individualist anarchism" in the sense of Josiah Warren and Lysander Spooner didn't even call itself anarchism until Benjamin Tucker found out about Proudhon, Bakunin and Stirner and was mainly a pretty flaccid blend of liberalism and utopian socialism.

what are these forms? also i have read that american oldschool individual anarchists used to call themselves socialists


agorism is ancap left


are not all individual anarchists mutualists in economy?


why do you think so?

Because of the union of egoists, Stirner's beliefs on wage slavery being the foundation of the state and how Stirner has mainly influenced communist anarchism.

the fuck does that mean

Apparently, radical AnCap where oppressive stuff like voting is punishable.

It's glorious.

> Worst of all is Partyarchy, the anti-concept of pursuing libertarian ends through
statist means, especially political parties.

Yeah no shit maybe because Proudhon invented the term "anarchist"

Communism. Socialism is like its immature (read: baby) brother who hasn't developed into a complete revolutionary yet.

Forcing people is bad, therefore it is okay to shoot them for not obeying you.

So that shows that it's a separate thing from anarchism in general. That was why I posted that user.

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That's why I listed other ideological differences, also how the frick are you meant to be on the same page with someone ideologically if you aren't even aware of them? No matter how much you cry it will still be poopy liberalism.

> This is yet brushing the tip of horror. Far greater a travesty of justice is proposed by those who do not wish to restitute or even mildly punish but to rehabilitate the violence-initiator. While some of the more enlightened among the rehabilitators would accept concurrent working off of restitution debt, they would seize upon the victim's delegation of right of self-defense (the basis of all legal action) to incarcerate and brainwash the now helpless apprehended aggressor.

I must say, that's the most coherent argument against "gulags" I've ever saw.

it's nothing new, you'd know that if you actually read theory you silly tank

Well, apologies for not being educated in the fine arts of Libertarianism. AnCap literature is too wacky to be taken seriously and (generally) too verbose to be read for entertainment purposes.

This manifesto, however, is distilled Anarchism (AnCapism, to be precise; but I'm of an opinion that AnCap is the "final form" of Anarchism).

opposition to rehabilitation of criminals isn't even ayncrap theory, again you'd know that if you read
and I already shitposted about how anarchism and liberalism are separate so please go home

Yes, yes. Everyone should read the very same books you've read. Because the amount of information in the world is so limited.

So, who opposes (work) rehabilitation on ideological grounds? Or are you too busy to answer?

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But if criminal gets caught all bets are off, no?

Yes, Stirner obviously believed that laws rest on right other than might
that's what that quote means.

Apologies for expecting intelligent reply.

I'm only in this for myself, so if putting in effort won't get me anything out of you then why should I bother?

Well, don't expect not getting shot, when the Revolution comes, because everyone thinks Anarchism is retarded AnCap.

Yep, when the fabled neo-soviet Stalin portrait bearing leftist revolution comes. I'm expecting a long and shitty life ahead of me.

Other options:
1) Sharia
2) Neo-Nazi
3) Fabled Anarchist non-revolution that will establish non-state of corporate non-law.

Frankly, I don't expect you to have much of a life in any of those.

I used to think that was the case, but it isn't, because all forms of capitalism are tyrannical, oppressive and exploitative.
Go individualist, maybe still engage others through the black market (under the radar) and you will do just fine, but Anarchism is not compatible with capitalism.

No, all truly left-wing ideologies are socialist. Agorism, too, is socialist. Socialism literally means "worker ownership of the means of production", and Agorism is based on self-employment.

See in the Agorist Class Theory:

unions of egoists has nothing to do with socialism. it is its opposite


it is revolutionary pro-market left-wing anarcho-capitalism


communism is not inherently revolutionary


by shoot-out he meant a duel>anarchism and liberalism


anarchism is extreme form of liberalism


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in ancap you will be able, i hope, to set up your own commune. there is place for everyone as long as you do not break NAP


“Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism. Not only are they compatible, but you can't really have one without the other. True anarchism will be capitalism, and true capitalism will be anarchism”


socialism is an awfull word


also even rothbard if i remember correctly stated that ancapism needs a degree of equality so that no one would be "forced" to sell himself as a slave to feed his family>>940379

and you somehow feel the need to repeat this 3 times in the same sentence.

and no capitalism is exploitation and slavery because of profit as simple as that.

so go back to /liberty/ or Holla Forums

Mutualism, I think. I need to look into it more.

Post-Left Anti-Civ Active Nihilism is the only true anarchy plep, bet you dont even read Landstreicher.

I'd say technocracy but you could argue that it's fascism with racial and national elements removed and replaced with technology worship. It's anti-capitalist for sure but it doesn't have any of the other hallmarks of leftist ideologies.

anacap autism delivers as usual

This.

kek.

Social Democracy :D

The true essence of technocracy is bureaucracy.

Nope.

Clearly never read Stirner

Given that technocrats actually seem to want to abolish value production and wages, I'd say they're more "anti-capitalist" than you stalinists at least.

social democracy

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so what are your actions to destroy civilization?


technocracy =/= wet dreams of communist anarcho-transhumanists


you still did not prove me a point


who are these technocrats?


it is socialism

Who are these technocrats you speak of?

Is this Anarcho-Wolffism? Because neither Trots, nor proper Anarchists would put it like that.

democracy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement


*For the record I'm not a technocrat and don't advocate their utopian nonsense.

just like scientific socialism? xD

we wuz entrepreneurs and sheeit nigga

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Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11]

[citation needed]

Most social democrats are not proponent of socialism, but capitalism with welfare.
>Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy
It's not 1919 anymore.

Stirner's concept of property rights is might-makes-right, which is closer to "your property is what you use" associated with socialism than capitalist "your property rights are permanent no matter what happens to it". Wikipedia sums it up quite nicely:

on stirner
spunk.org/texts/intro/faq/sp001547/secG6.html

No. Socialism implies that proles get to decide things. Technocracy means that the select elite does.

Take all the bullshit Vanguard gets accused of, and make it real - you'll get Technocracy.

Technocracy in the modern sense is typically used to describe "market science efficiency". Not even the dystopian version of empiricist decision making based on resources, needs and allocation of services and goods in a planned style of economy.

Technocrats is a meaningless term in modern political lingo.

That's not what Stirner says. He doesn't consider "might" to make "right", as he doesn't believe anything to make "right".

I was too lazy to write a more detailed explanation

where exactly is the explaination? paste here citation or whatever

*awful

And capitalism is pretty fucking dandy isn't it?

Rothbard also said "that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical".

Either obey every quotation your god made or don't.

You aren't an anarchist.

Orthodox Marxism is.

Nice platitude mister.

capitalism is better slightly than socialism imo

do not tell me what to do u commie scum

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Right?

You come to the commies, ask them and then tell them not to tell you what to do.

I don't get you people.

communism= telling others what to do when they are not your slaves