Smoke 'em if you got 'em comrades. Capitalism has already killed us and everything you've ever cared for. Before long, this planet of ours will be looking a whole lot like Venus. Perhaps that's for the best. At least porky will finally be dead. And don't give me any bullshit about "sustainable martian colonies" or "super AI robots". That crap is science fiction, pure and simple. Besides, porky would be doomed without proles to carry his worthless ass.
Amazing documentary "The Cross of the Moment" (prominently features socialism as the only sane option to climate change, assuming we had the time of course): vimeo.com/137432332
Reminds me of how corrupt senators and patricians still chose to hoard their valuables, money, and valuables even as the Western Roman Empire was collapsing around them and invaders were on the doorstep of Italy.
Even as the social fabric that gave their wealth value was collapsing before their very eyes, they still refused to do anything to help it.
Juan Bennett
All the links in the various articles are pretty… Terrifying
"Environmental destruction, whether caused by human behavior or cataclysmic mega-disasters such as floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, or tsunamis. Problems of this scope may overwhelm the capacity of local authorities to respond, and may even overtax national militaries, requiring a larger international response."
"… anti-government and radical ideologies that potentially threaten government stability."
"DoD might be forced by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil authorities to contain and reverse violent threats to domestic tranquility. Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance."
Levi Jackson
The deep state is real.
Mason Martinez
Relax you fucking aspies, the world isn't ending.
Luis Ross
thank you for backing up your claim with evidence.
Justin Hernandez
Not right this second, no
Austin Smith
I'm studying applied ecology, most of these articles are wrong on many things. I'm not gonna write detailed analyses of all of them, but for example you can look up climate change yourself and see that the last 20 years average temperature has been going down.
Do some research of your own from university texts, not some tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist articles
That's funny. Since we're exchanging anecdotes, I have a friend who studied environmental science at university only to give it up to become a mechanic because it was too fucking depressing.
Jacob Reed
I mean, that's not really all that reassuring.
James Garcia
Yeah. Oh.
Jack Taylor
and as you can see, the rise has declined since 1998. which is what i meant to say, english isn't my main language though
it is depressing, since it's an upward battle vs capitalism
but it doesn't mean that global warming will wipe humanity out in the next 14 years like one of the tinfoil op articles claims
Landon Gutierrez
Eco-revisionism is bannable here.
Green power is strong within mods.
Kayden Sullivan
True. We'll only be fucked by 2100 or so, assuming we continue to do little to fuck all.
Weren't you banned for that? Good times.
Henry Morris
oh good, the upward climb is SLIGHTLY less steep. Nothing to worry about boys!
lol
Julian Peterson
ye but we'll be dead by then. and I don't think that even porky is willing to wipe out the planet since it means he'll wipe out too.
or maybe not who knows. but 2030 is definitely far fetched
I didn't say that m8. I just said the world isn't ending in 2030 like the tinfoil hat article suggests
Aiden Torres
Yeah. I kept telling people that Earth is not turning into a ball of fire next week. That did not end well.
I'd ask you to explain yourself, but I learned better.
Blake Campbell
I don't get banned often enough here, do I?
How, do you think, this "fucked by 2100" will look like?
Juan Reed
competition and capital accumulation inevitably drives the system toward that point.
"socialism in one country"
Hunter Brown
There's a lot of methane in arctic permafrost. Who knows how quickly things could deteriorate as the earth stops holding back the farts built up since the last ice age.
The fact you're free to shit up multiple threads is indicative of that. Exactly how I explained it to you in the last global warming thread.
Everyone dies and the whole world smells like rotten eggs.
Wyatt Perez
Engels was talking about historical processes, not sacrosanct revolutionary dogmas.
Physics. Magic.
Dominic White
>cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature Yeah, my mother thinks that it's by 2030 we're gonna be fucked and that Syria is a climate change refugee crisis. She's so into the dogmatic panic that I don't bother. Doesn't mean it's not an issue though.
Paul Brown bio-paul-brown Paul Brown is a former environment correspondent for The Guardian newspaper. Kieran Cooke bio-kieran-cooke Kieran Cooke is a former foreign correspondent for both the BBC and the Financial Times. Alex Kirby bio-alex-kirby Alex Kirby is a former BBC journalist and environment correspondent. Tim Radford bio-tim-radford Tim Radford worked for the Guardian for 32 years, for most of that time as science editor.
I dunno, is this reliable? if McPherson is a crackpot and a former ecology professor, then what about these journalists that weren't even that? I mean, journalists don't seem to have a very strong grasp on science most of the time.
Aaron Morgan
Funny, I'm in environmental studies and I've reached the opposite conclusion.
Carson Mitchell
Update to my post. More videos/articles. Face it comrades. The revolution, along with this planet, died a long time ago.
We destroyed probably one of the most rare things you're likely to find in this universe (Don Brownlee explaining rare Earth): youtube.com/watch?v=Pll8G3ozgPo
I said human extinction "as soon as 2030". Personally I think it's more likely to be 2050-2060 (2100 being the absolute maximum). I can't see industrial civilization as we know it lasting past 2030, though. Either it collapses completely or we get fascism on steroids until the lights go out for good.
Ethan Price
Yep, porky will be be denying it to the very last minute. The sinking of Hy Brasil from "Erik The Viking" comes to mind actually….
Hurry? Why would they bother to help an infantile/suicidal species like ours? If anything they've quarantined this section of space so as to be avoided at all costs. Either that or they're just kicking back and observing the insanity of it all.
Here's a quick video from Noam basically saying that, if there are any independent observers out there (aka aliens), they'd undoubtedly regard our species as batshit insane: youtube.com/watch?v=fuKr7YgLptg
The ending of the previously posted animation by Steve Cutts was made EXACTLY for posadists, by the way. (Hint: aliens came, just not for the reason you think): youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU#t=2m43s
Angel Young
I'll see you on the Moon/Mars colonies fellow comrades.
Evan Bell
Feel free to do whatever you want, frankly. Whether that's struggling against capitalism, becoming a prepper, or just simply playing vidya and nothing else. I mean, right before the Titanic sank people were playing soccer with the ice chunks that broke off the freaking iceberg that killed them for fuck's sake. In the face of imminent death, all we can do is strive for what we feel is right. Whatever that may mean for us. Also, we're all gonna die at some point. That's as true for individuals, as it is for humanity as a whole. 99% of all species that have ever been are extinct now. What made you think we'd be any different? There's no harm in accepting the impermanence of mankind.
Seems like you're referencing the advances of technology under capitalism, with the motivations and pressure points that the capitalist system gives and the application of technologies for the sake of capitalism and further profit cycles…
Technological optimism is a good thing. It frees us. Under capitalism, it enslaves us. It's all about the context, confused comrade.
Logan Lopez
I don't know, that sounds like something that we're gonna put in the "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time" basket ten years later
Jack Morgan
Sure. Technology under socialism might have been used more wisely/intelligently (operative word being MIGHT here). We'll never know, though, since capitalism has completely destroyed the possibility for any sane alternatives. Not to mention we're about 50-60 years too late for "coulda,shoulda,woulda" talk like yours in regards to technology. No time left comrade.
I'm personally sick of calling it global warming or climate change. Every single time these massive pushes are done the lines are drawn:
Either deny it all (right wing pro 'free market' business everything, religious 'god made the world so it can't change'
Zachary Lee
Odds are, mice and rats will be probably the last surviving mammalian species (although they'll probably go extinct as well given enough time under extreme conditions). Same goes for cockroaches. It all depends on how high the temperature goes. 8-10 degrees above baseline (nightmare scenario) would pretty much the spell the end of pretty much all life beyond bacteria.
Be that as it may, anaerobic bacteria in particular, along with extremophiles situated around places like deep see hydrothermal vents for instance, will be in the best positions to weather the coming storm.
It's collectively killing ourselves TBH. I can't help but think some people in their ivory towers are seeing this oncoming disaster and see nothing but opportunityTM.
I wonder what those species will eventually evolve to, if they can. Also, could robots survive?
Grayson Myers
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Asher Garcia
So, 14 years then? Guess I better get some vacation plans or something.
Evan Ross
Yeah, pretty much. I think we have passed the point of doing geo-engineering smartly. Perhaps if we realised our problems a few decades ago and acted on them, then perhaps our actions would have some effect, but that time has passed as we are about to fire the clathrate gun, we have gone WAY passed the carrying capacity of the earth and our capacity to geo-engineer the earth is limited by our economic paradigm (aka capitalism). The destruction it causes continues to rip everything apart. So unfortunately, our control over the earth is about to be taken from us and given to the methane hydrates which will decimate everything.
It's weird how accurate a game designed to be a complete caricature is turning out to be. Honestly, the idea of the US and China holding out as prosperous superpowers all the way up until the 2070s seems fucking laughable even in our timeline (which is supposed to be "better").
Jordan Rivera
Still meaningless unless you have an anti-capitalist group of people (or politicians, if they so have to be) in charge that will completely shutdown, appropriate and re-tool the industries causing the pollution, which is in turn causing this specific type of of chemical reactions (alongside hundreds of thousands of others that are damaging human society) in the environment on a large scale. (and outside the realm of what would be considered the personal sphere of an individual)
'Fighting' large scale pollution by capitalist industries requires people to be anti-capitalist… again all I see this hyperfocus being placed on these specific types of pollution, scream to me, is yet another 'we need to enforce a market that requires these industries and businesses to see greater profit in doing environmental good, instead of bad'; which is EXACTLY what has been proposed by most governments, in all of the western world. While of course completely ignoring all the other insane amounts of "Hey, this type of pollution right here will also kill us…" critiques.
Yes, capitalist production and the blind profit and exchange and growth motive that it fosters is killing us all, and destroying nature. This is not new.
Joseph Rodriguez
Sigh, I guess it doesn't matter if I get a cutie gf now because I won't enjoy for that long
Bentley Mitchell
Well we live under capitalism so, maybe stop?
Ayden Williams
Stop capitalism? Sure. Stop what capitalism is pushing for, via capitalist means and for-profit motives? Well, you gotta stop capitalism, to do that.
Stopping technology? You missed the point.
Owen Gray
No as in stop technology optimism.
Eli Adams
Well, I'm kinda sick now.
Carter Ortiz
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Angel Rogers
Why?
I hate facebook. I despise microsoft, and all google is doing and youtube is doing (also google) to control the internet is despicable, but I'm for free-software, open source, the origin behind it all.
Why would you want me to only see facebook and google, as the only possible expression? Why not take an activist, anti-capitalist, stance, where you don't see the tools that capitalists use as the primary problem, but… gee I don't know, take them over, use them, outside the capitalist system?
It seems like in your critique of technology under capitalism, you also solely take the view of technology as a thing itself merely being able to exist within the capitalist framework, and not as a body of work - of tools, techniques, and ideas, that have little to nothing to do with how they're being used.
I do have, technological optimism. For how we CAN use technology. AFTER we smash capitalism.
Nicholas Ward
Im pretty sure thats not what is proposing at all user. He's just saying its not as simple as "lets go the moon!"
Asher Clark
I get that, I just don't understand what his counter solution is. What is driving the current style of pressures that shape the way technology is advanced and implemented - how the resources towards it and how exactly automation and innovation is created societal wise - today? Capitalism. Money.
Not technology, itself.
What is technological optimism in the framework they project? Capitalist optimism. The good capitalist will apply it like a democratically elected proper, actual democratic government would… which of course, they do not, and never have and never will. What does this have to do, with technology? Nothing.
It's the economic system. What they're against is belief in the good capitalist doing the right thing, finally, and mistakingly thinking they're fighting against something like the singularity-style-of-thinking, where technology will simply erupt and become something greater than its parts (which, again unspokenly in even that theory - what does it do? It overthrows the economic system. Capitalism.)
The argument they put forth, has nothing to do with technology. At all. Is my point.
Isaac Jenkins
Is it possible it won't be 2030?
Adam Parker
I've got nothing against technology. Like science, it's a tool. A tool that helps us better understand the world/universe and, ideally, improve the lives of ourselves and everything else around us. My main issue with it is that modern technology has been completely hijacked by capitalists for decades upon decades to satiate their unending greed at the expense of long-term sustainability. In doing so, they've caused massive, highly terminal problems all across the planetary spectrum and robbed us, and continue to rob us, of the time necessary to use the correct technology applied appropriately to fix the damage they have wrought. Capitalists took the potential of technology and its continued evolution/development and shat all over it.
To be honest, the only winners in all this will be the capitalists themselves. The Waltons, the Du Ponts, the Rothchilds etc. They conned the world and lived disgustingly high at the expense of everything else living on this planet. Just look at the Koch brothers. They're old as fuck now. They won't live to see the damage they, and those that are like them, have caused. They lived exploiting the Earth for everything they could, and they'll die doing it with both middle fingers raised firmly at the rest of us until they're both laid in the grave. They sacrificed humanity's potential as a species, just so they could be stinking rich. How pitiful is that? In their case, one measly human lifetime for porky in exchange for limitless possibilities for our entire species. It fucking sucks, but the hour for retribution/change has passed. Accept it, or continue to struggle against it. It won't alter what's to come, I'm afraid.
Hudson Evans
Very possible. The exact date is unimportant. Sometime within this century life as we know it will have to face, perhaps, one of the greatest threats ever marshaled against it. Abrupt climate change coupled with ocean acidification are already in the pipeline. This combined with the 444 nuclear power plants scattered around the globe/15,000 nuclear weapons doesn't spell a pretty picture. For the foreseeable future though, the collapse will continue to be a fractal one. Affecting different people in different regions at varying levels.
Luis Perry
Sooner, or later? I kinda want to make every year count now…
Isaac Reyes
At least we get to live Mad Max/Fallout/Hokuto no Ken irl
Adam Reed
The next five decades are going to be fun, aren't they?
Joshua Rodriguez
Porky is already selling Clean Green Energy(tm) to people, putting Green (and corrupt) politicians in government to enact "Green" laws that help him to get more money out of the people and fight against other porkies.
Only porky could see the death knell of our species as another business opportunity. Porky may profit from disinformation/ecological devastation, but he still denies/fails to see his inevitable downfall as a result of such rapacious appetites. He'll destroy the system that gives him his ill-gotten wealth and think he'll come out unscathed regardless.
Nicholas Russell
The system prevents them from even self preservation it seems. Amazing.
Just replace the cabin boy with a comrade trying to convince the unconscious proles/idpolers/liberals that to in order to save the ship (Earth) from wrecking itself completely (ecological devastation) they need to embrace a worker's revolution and overthrow their capitalist officers ASAP. Ends about as well as you'd expect, unfortunately.
Humans aren't going to go extinct in 15 years because of global warming. In fact, I think most Western countries will be more or less fine, though some parts of the Southern US might be in trouble. The global South is basically fucked, though. The refugee crisis make the current Muslim "refugee" crisis look like a joke.
Xavier Gray
Only way I see that happening is robots, or mutation.
Elijah Jenkins
Why do we need robots or mutation? Europe, North America, and Russia will just move people into the cold regions, that will be much more livable due to global warming.
To be clear, it will be a shit show. But I don't think doom is impending.
Samuel Gomez
It's like you actually WANT us (and no I am not talking about leftypol, future smug anime girl poster, I am talking about the left as a whole) to fail. You are coming here with a gish gallop of primitivist crackpots like Guy McPherson and Michael Ruppert as well as endless amounts of URLs that nobody has the fucking time to verify, the URL quantity giving you false credibility, and the only point you want to bring home is that we should give up.
Your doom mongering does nothing but spread suffering and yet all the utilitarian existentialists preach it on as expected.
Most climate scientists will tell you that the earth turning into venus and human extinction by 2030 is total bullshit.
Fuck Holla Forums, you just eat this defeatist bullshit up every time.
Nicholas Lee
Yeah the human extinction claim is outlandish But massive unrest caused by desertification alone by 2030? You bet
Jeremiah Price
Which would potentially bring us socialist revolutions.
Wyatt Nelson
Guy McPherson has the veneer of respectability to the casual observer because he's a doctor in ecology and the plethora of links lends credence to his claims.
But when his bullshit is actually broken down and examined by people that not only know him for his lunacy and know the broken science he's trying to peddle his entire house of cards comes crashing down.
These feedbacks are not additive, they are multiplicative.
Dominic Watson
Best places for human survival will probably be deep in the global south. Places like Argentina, New Zealand, Tasmania (etc.) The effects of climate change will be much more fierce in the northern hemisphere versus the southern hemisphere. Antarctica, in all likelihood, is going to be the last remaining chunk of ice left in the world (for a little while, anyway). Also, there's much lower population density down there as well. I'd imagine these places I mentioned will be where all the porkies will be flocking to once we're in the thick of it. It might buy them a little more time, but they'll perish all the same if things happen to heat up enough.
Also, you can feel free to disagree with me about complete human extinction, but denying the total collapse of industrial civilization due to exponential growth/climate change/ocean acidification in the near term (20-30 years from now, let's say) along with the BILLIONS of deaths that will follow it just seems delusional to me. Unless you've got a magic wand that can make all that stuff suddenly go away, we're unavoidably in for a world of hurt.
Liam Lee
Accepting and understanding the harsh reality of climate change/overpopulation/ocean acidification ≠ defeatist
I don't see how denial helps anyone either. Some people want to know they've got terminal cancer, some people don't. Despite the facts, there's still value in continuing the struggle against capitalism, regardless of whatever the ultimate outcome is. Guy might be a loon, but abrupt climate change is still a very real possibility. Assuming it does indeed happen, will it turn Earth into Venus? Maybe not. Will it kill off everything larger than a shrew like in the previous Permian mass extinction? Probably.
Thomas Young
Every time.
You make it sound like I secretly agree with you, and want to keep people in denial so it doesn't get to them. They can believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't turn them into depressed apoliticals or primmies. Your cancer analogy sounds just like something McPherson would say, judging from some convos I've had with him.
Evan Murphy
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Wyatt Murphy
Heres a video by someone who seems pretty dedicated. Also BTFOed Crowder:
Someone posted a link to the interview with McPherson on his Youtube page. Let's see what he thinks.
Owen Williams
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Noah Hughes
Despite all the doom & gloom, I just see this as the penultimate reason why the struggle against capitalism MUST continue in intensity. The whole planet is on the line here people and we have mere moments left to stop the bourgeois from taking us down with them. The revolution HAS to seize EVERY opportunity it can to accelerate the demise of porky, otherwise it's our ass. His hands are around your throat, your family's throat, and the throat of the planet itself. Are you just going to sit there and let him choke the life out of, not only your future, but the future of your loved ones as well? The threat to people's lives, freedoms and happiness is just as dire as it was, if not more so, then when the Nazis were on everybody's doorstep. THIS FACT ALONE SHOULD INSPIRE EXTREME REVOLUTIONARY ACTION, NOT DESTROY OR DISCOURAGE IT! THE STAKES HAVE NEVER BEEN HIGHER! LOSING TO PORKY MEANS CERTAIN DEATH FOR EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S NO EXAGGERATION!
VICTORY. IS . THE. ONLY. OPTION.
I wish people were able to look at our current situation as being just as life & and death as, for example, Mark Watney's was from "The Martian". Our willingness to survive has to be just as potent, our ingenuity has to be just brilliant, our strength, endurance and willpower has to be just as indomitable (etc.) Granted, Mark didn't have 10 giant fat asses (Porky) surrounded by 100 highly armed security guards (subservient military/police forces) constantly frustrating his efforts to survive, but still. The desperate, immediate need to survive and recognize the monumentally dire challenges we face is just as needed for us as a species, as it was for him as an individual.
James Garcia
This is true.
But there is also truth in that climate change is far, far more serious, than it is made out to be.
I'm friends with environmental and climate scientists, they are all of the opinion, we are completely and utterly fucked and civilization as we know it will collapse, possibly much sooner than anticipated, due to the nature of Climate Change.
Apparently Climate Scientists can't actually say how bad it is, because even if they say half of how bad it actually is, they get accused of "fear mongering".
Fun fact, the climate models, are now accelerating so fast, that in the next decade, we will reach global temperatures not expected until the later 21st century, because the seas absorption is starting to give way.
Camden Edwards
bump
Christian Long
Side note, are you ever going to make a video about climate change? Given its presence as being a highly terminal factor for our species in the near-term, you'd think that would make it pretty relevant to discussions about theory/revolution. If we don't overthrow porky soon, as in now, it'll be too late. Granted it might already be too late, but still. That's still not even getting into ocean acidification, overpopulation/exponential growth, more coastal nuclear accidents like Fukushima (etc.)
That and they're fucking pussies. Wouldn't want to incur the wrath of porky, after all. "Might lose mah tenure/mah money/mah status/and other scraps porky allows me to have." Cowardly self-interest will always trump any responsibility one might have to speaking the truth. Fuck them, and their livelihoods. Craven bastards.
During the Eocene temperature were about 9C higher than they are now, and the effects were nowhere near that bad.
The global South is so called only because it is mostly in the South. First-world countries are part of the global North no matter how southerly they are.
Good post.
Ryder Gray
humanity will be the end of humanity and we all saw it coming but didn't at the same time.
Asher Foster
Actually, if anything, it'll probably be more like "The Road", assuming we're that lucky. Watch out for the roaming bands of right wing conservative cannibals comrades.
Isaac Perez
Honestly I am not a tinfoil fag but I wholeheartedly believe he was killed.
Brayden Murphy
"when everything's gone, the only thing left to eat is each other." - Cormac McCarthy
Oliver Rodriguez
this would make me a happy man
Jaxon Jones
During the Eocene temperature were about 9C higher than they are now, and the effects were nowhere near that bad.
The difference with now and then is the speed at which the warming is taking place. Organisms need time to adapt, but climate change is occurring so rapidly now that almost all life we know of can't keep up with the pace. That is, beyond some small exceptions like bacteria & extremophiles. Many of these life-forms that are failing to adapt are creatures mankind depends on for its continued survival, by the way (many different kinds of pollinators, fish species & phytoplankton being a few quick examples). Not only that, but the pace of warming also opens the door to even more abrupt changes taking place, such as massive releases of methane hydrates (see the "Great Dying", otherwise known as the Permian mass extinction). Besides, climate change is, but one part of the perfect storm that's ahead of us. Ocean acidification, desertification, exponential growth, coastal nuclear power plants, antibiotic resistant super bugs (etc.) along with much more are also dire threats with no easy solutions, if any.
Okay, and? The point is that the northern hemisphere is going to get fucking hammered by climate change, while the southern hemisphere, by comparison, is going to get by a little bit easier. I don't see how New Zealand or Tasmania being considered "first-world" as far as affluence is concerned has anything to do with their physical geographic location in regards to the impacts of climate change.
Oliver Anderson
Animals and plants have been transplanted by humans to different continents with radically different climates, and they've survived. Certain species may go extinct, or have their range drastically reduced, but an Eocene-type global climate will be survivable for at least the more widespread and hardy species. The species we have now aren't that much different to those of the Eocene. So the idea that a rise of 8-10C will kill off everything except microbes is just nuts.
I was just nitpicking. You should have said 'southern hemisphere', but it's not a big deal.
Xavier Perez
The Road made me want to kill myself
Bentley Taylor
I always wondered if food supply could actually become so dire that humans could become livestock.
Dylan Ortiz
Nah, humans are terribly unsuited for long-term ranching. They'll make some quick emergency meals in a time of crisis but once you're out of friends to eat that's the end.
Blake Jackson
Man, right? I only saw the movie. The book sounds even more brutal.
Nathaniel Wood
"Survived," yeah, or become a plague bad enough to wipe out entire species and cause massive ecological damage.
Bentley Mitchell
not gonna happen faggot, the elites desperately want to curb the population but hoomans are like cockroaches, in a good way.
keep being a mopey, bitch ass nigga. Your shitty life isnt magically better because you think you know the world is going to end.
Im gonna go for a walk
Samuel Gray
This makes me think we will have to contend gigantic insects at some point. I'm okay with that.
Honestly I think they'll make edible cardboard before then. The quality of food will decrease drastically at some point. It might be that instead of lack of food that does it so who knows.
Ryder Williams
Unfortunately the size of insects is limited by oxygen levels, not climate.
Maybe not EVERYTHING on land. Mice and rats might still be around, assuming the best case scenario. Us humans, though? Not so much. Humanity as a species has NEVER lived on a planet at a global average temperature as high as 4 degrees above baseline, let alone 8-10 degrees. During the "Great Dying" nothing on land that weighed over the size of a shrew survived it. Despite the whole "lol, wez like roaches and sheeit" meme, humans are extremely needy animals. We can't clever our way into a livable habitat after we've done everything possible (although, granted, it's mostly porky's fault) to destroy the Earth's ability to provide one for us. The world we'll be entering into, as far as climate change is concerned, will be plagued with constant super storms (such as Katrina, but worse), rising seas/desertification/heat stroke level temps which render most of the planet UNINHABITABLE, endless wildfires, massive droughts and extreme intensification of war & disease, just to name a few. This combined with the terminal threats of methane hydrates/ocean acidification/coastal nuclear power plant failure, all suggest very low odds that any humans will manage to survive what's to come. Civilization, in any form/configuration, within the next few decades will be a thing of the past, and humanity itself not long after.
It's also worth noting that what capitalism has done in regards to altering the planet irrecoverably for the worse, as well as contributing to/being the sole culprit behind AGW (anthropocentric global warming), that the changes/dislocations caused as a result will be felt for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years to come. This will be the true legacy of porky.
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Hudson Anderson
ah the old methane scam
PS: It's not a proven hypothesis that methane released triggered or even contributed to the P-T extinction. Stop usurping science to shill your agenda.
Camden Cook
It certainly contributed to it, but it's true that there were many other factors that led into the PT extinction event occurring. People need to keep in mind that the Earth's climate is acted upon by many forces and you cannot blame something as game-changing as the worst mass extinction in Earth's history on just one thing.
The Siberian Traps, for instance, were putting out trillions of tons of CO2, and there is a lot of evidence that their flood basalts managed to hit huge coal deposits, causing them to burn up as well. The eruptions also promoted the growth of methane-producing bacteria by fertilizing the oceans with nickel. Maybe ocean ecosystems were disrupted by the dramatic climate change and ocean acidification kicked off by all that extra CO2 in the air and then the toxic volcanic gases and coal ash coming from the Siberian Traps just made things worse. The oceans could have reached a tipping point where the methane-producing bacteria found an increasingly fertile environment, leading to a huge population boom. This leads to more methane going into the air & water, which led to more warming / ecosystem disruption and MORE methane going into the air & water which eventually made the oceans a hot, soupy mess of archae mostly devoid of oxygen.
And yes, there's also the "Clathrate Gun Hypothesis" which states that methane hydrates, aka clathrates, also tend to become unstable during periods of rapid climate warming. They store trillions of tons of methane, and when they start to disintegrate, they become a HUGE positive feedback in the climate system, causing more warming and more methane release. If the climate warming is slow, then the methane doesn't have a chance to build up in the atmosphere all that much. But if the climate changes too fast for the biosphere to adapt, then you're in deep fucking shit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis
The fact of the matter is we're being HUGE fucking morons as we load the atmosphere with fossil fuel carbon and change the climate 100 TIMES FASTER than it does naturally. Why in the world would we want to recreate the conditions of past mass extinctions and actually put these nightmarish hypotheses to the test?
Then again, if you'd like this to NOT be the case, then you fuckers really need to get your shit together and kill porky yesterday. If you don't, then odds are he'll kill you, and this whole fucking planet's ability to sustain life. I can't think of a better, more immediate reason to overthrow capitalism then for humanity's very survival. Leftists everywhere should start using this stuff to advertise their position, frankly. It's either destroy capitalism, or have your entire family be destroyed by it instead. The choice is really that simple at this point.
Luis Jones
Well, believe or not, society wants to maintain a narrative, irrespective of the science behind it. Note how there's little discussion in the mainstream media about the ongoing superbug epidemic. The truth is, it doesn't matter how many scientists come forward in the media or how many researchers support the research (There's a 97% consensus across all peer-reviewed journals on the effects that humans have on climate change. 97% percent!) People would rather believe that this tangible and measurable effect is a "Chinese hoax" and virtue signal than they would take action against it.
Look at the fucking Maldives for instance, in a few decades it's going to completely underwater. Do you think that neocons will still say it's a hoax when an entire country is forced to pack up and move?
Brandon Walker
Reminds me of a really good documentary called "The Island President", that focuses on the then president of the Maldives "Mohamed Nasheed" and his desperate attempts to try and save his country from suffering the catastrophic effects of climate change, both now and in the future. It sucks he couldn't have been able to continue his work as being a beacon of inspiration for other resistance movements out there. Motherfucker got ousted in a recent coup and sentenced to thirteen years in jail by the same fascist cocksuckers that are responsible for the eventual sinking of those islands in the first place. The current president "Abdulla Yameen" (the half-brother to the previous long-time dictator "Maumoon Abdul Gayoom") is trying to open up the Maldives to oil and gas companies for christ sakes. Shit like that is both completely bonkers, and tragically hilarious at the same time. There really is no winning against porky.
Fuck man, just look at Bangladesh. There are 160 million Bangladeshis and half of them live at less than 10 meters above sea level. Where in the hell are those people supposed to go when most of their entire god damn country is going to be under fucking water in the not too distant future? You think the Syrian refuge crisis is bad? You fuckers ain't seen nothing yet. The fascists in Europe/US will have a field day.
I don't see how that excuses climate scientists from not speaking the truth. In fact, I would say that puts MORE emphasis on them to speak what they know to be true and sound the alarm louder than ever. Instead, they're pissing their pants at the mere thought of speaking up. They're paralyzed with the fear that they might get too much backlash and lose their positions/get ostracized from society. I'm not saying it's easy to stand up and tell the truth in an empire of lies like ours, but they're letting their fear get the better of them. Cowardly self-interest like that will be the death of us, just as much as porky will be the death of us.
Lincoln Gomez
Sounds like those porkies were a little bit too spooked for their own sake
I'm not sure where you live, but in places like South America or Europe, this research is getting a lot of attention in the media. It also has a lot of attention on the internet.
The problem is when corporate interests are too intertwined within a country, so depending on where you live, news or talk about climate change gets filtered out. Make no mistake, the government of places like the US or Australia play a role in deciding what news to show. For instance, there's little to no talk about climate change in the US right now because the elections are going on (people in charge of the news don't want to risk driving away potential neocon voters if they have a climate scientist come on).
If you want a good chance at exposing climate change to the general population, it certainly isn't in the US.
Jordan Lee
Wh not now?
Daniel Reed
Irrelevant, I'm afraid. Most people might recognize climate change as a valid concern in those places, but the gravity of our collective predicament is still not being conveyed to them and that's, in large part, due to the timidity of, you guessed it, climate scientists. Climatologists the world over know beyond a shadow of a doubt what's REALLY killing our chances of survival as a species, but they're too afraid to to tell people who the real culprit is and where all this, potentially terminal, damage is coming from. Namely, capitalism. Climate scientists should be calling for the complete dismantlement of something that is no less than a Grade IV tumor on our species, but they're not. Instead, they're calling for half-assed solutions to be carried out within the existing structure of capitalism that (surprise, surprise) won't solve ANYTHING. Giving people the false idea that if they buy a Tesla, take shorter showers, and recycle every now and again, will magically fix everything is downright suicidal and a testament to their obscene levels of cowardice/complicity to porky. May they be damned for it.
Hunter Evans
Probably around the same time we get the deserted, menless, post-apocalyptic wasteland, I'm afraid.
By the way, you reminded me that I still need to play LISA, so thanks for that.
Please drown, please drown, please drown, please drown, FOR THE LOVE OF HEGEL PLEASE FUCKING DROWN!!!!!!!!!
TITANIC 2.0 RIGHT FUCKING NOW PLEASE!!!
Dylan Hill
See Bill Mckibben, James Hansen, Michael Mann, Bill Nye (etc.) These guys are some of the most active, publicly recognizable figures in regards to informing "John Q. Public" about climate change and they're doing jack-shit to wake people up to what the real threat is here. Instead, they're diverting people's interest, time, and energy into meaningless bullshit that only serves to make more profits for porky, while doing next to nothing for the actual planet itself. Wasting what little time we have left as a species on supporting this cancerous parasite called capitalism (THAT'S CURRENTLY KILLING US, BY THE WAY) is unforgivable. They're selling out the whole human race, right along with porky, and sealing our fate by mind-fucking people into thinking that capitalism can bring us a world where our ecological life-support systems are finally free from serious harm.
Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much from them. I mean, honestly, it's not like they have the TIME to actually manage to grow a serious conscience/backbone, now is there? How could they when they're always busy sucking Satan's cock everyday?
Easton Lopez
Don't worry. Socialism or bottled air ancapism soon, comrade
Michael Lee
The funny thing is, in most sectors, profits are extremely low and only falling
What do you expect from a shit image board, filled with filthy, stupid, socially retarded leftists who honestly think the FBI, CIA and government agencies spend money to "monitor" (more like laugh at ) their shitty threads? The modern Left is paranoid, stupid, incoherent, obsessed with identity politics,and is extremely desperate.
Jaxson Rogers
Satans cock? I keep forgetting how edgy, stupid most leftists are. You think people who like capitalism "suck Satans cock"? I guess the leftists that blindly defend the deaths caused by communism, the censorship, poverty, inferior quality of life, inefficiency all suck Satans cock.
Zachary Mitchell
Al Gore predicted the end of the Arctic by 2012. Now he wants you to follow the bouncing sea levels.
Late-stage capitalism be like: "I'm sorry the Princess is in another castle"
Jose Davis
I can say with 100% certainty no one cares about your opinion, especially because you made it clear you don't know shit two sentences in.
Asher Williams
Edgelords are why the Left is fails
Gavin Gonzalez
lol
Bentley Robinson
But it's true. You don't even know what communism is, why should I care about what you have to say?
Christopher Martin
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Hudson Torres
A political ideology based on a Utopian proposition where the process of implementing said proposition has been left so vague by the theorist that there are now probably more schools of Marxist thought than there are Christian denominations.
And since the aforementioned Utopian proposition is practically impossible to truly implement, it will perpetually plague the human race for as long as clever-silly intellectuals with too much intelligence and not enough wisdom exist to justify it with the defence that every real world attempt at implementing said Utopian proposition failed purely because the people behind it didn't try hard enough
Aiden Brooks
No, they quite plainly failed because they didn't even try. All you need to do is to give workers control over the means of production.
Anyway, you've got it wrong.
Cameron Myers
Which means what, exactly? A democratic vote by every employed worker over every decision? A worker's council elected by the workers? A team of technocrats that have been specifically trained to organise the workers?
Because if Marxist discourse over the last 100 century is anything to go by, that question is nowhere near as cut-and-dry as you are attempting to imply
Xavier Rodriguez
100 years* or century, pick your poison
Wyatt Morgan
Ideally you educate the workers to take care of themselves, if you consider they're not already able to do that. Which i doubt because worker owned businesses do exist.
