Get on my Level 2016 (GOML) is happening this weekend and it's going to be one for the ages.
When Pound was happening, I hung out with another user in the Mumble and watched some of the coverage. It was fun to shoot the breeze, so that can happen again if people are interested.
But enough about GOML. Tell me, anons, what are you up to in Smash Bros. these days?
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hey guys isn't this a kids game
How could something so incredibly lewd be for children?
SAUS is going to place within top 16 at GOML. Screenshot this.
Seriously though, there's a lot of great Canada talent heading out that I'm looking forward to seeing - especially n0ne after his solid placing at EGLX. Sadly KirbyKaze won't be attending.
Also, when's Melee SD Netplay?
i think hotwheels ate my post
Shit, really? I guess I was hoping he'd make this part of his comeback. Damn.
When the user finishes building it. I'm sure he'll be along to give us his threadly status update.
This will be the first stream I've watched since genesis. I hope I don't get dissapointed. If the top 8 has saus, kage, wizzy, and m2k, I will cum.
Isn't this the third cdn tournament in a row that leffen's going to? And the second that has a substantial number of gods? Canada is picking up.
Prediction: Happy2K 3-0s all gods he meets until HBox, who 3-2s him, then Sad2K gets beaten by the first person he meets in losers: 3-0 if it's a member of the big 6, 3-2 otherwise.
Wow, the thread already turned to elitist faggotry in the first post. A new record guys.
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gg
To the user modding Project M 4.0
put this in there somewhere
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also this
RIP in peace
1.1.6 is a thing? I thought they stopped developing for it
Do people, like…actually… like…. DO this…?
yeah, it's fucking weird
Look, either you're deliberately playing dumb or you're just to stupid to see the elephant in the room so I'll spell it out loud and clearly for you.
Deliberately leaving out Brawl and replacing it with a mod.
dem trips
Trips of Truth.
No one plays brawl anymore user.
You should stop using words you don't understand.
Who the hell even plays vanilla Brawl anymore? I see more people playing 64, which has been growing in popularity for some time while Brawl has been dwindling to nothing - especially after the release of Sm4sh. The only redeeming quality of Brawl is the single player content, which I'm sure most people have gotten bored of by now.
what happened to ZiggyD??
since when did he start to go bald?
The self-unawareness is so rich in the air tonight. You should stop denying things you don't understand.
Good for you, I haven't seen anyone playing it.
Nobody cares for your highly-subjective excuses why it's okay to leave out an installment and shill PM harder.
Do you call Doom fans that don't acknowledge nuDoom elitists as well?
It had it's largest tournament ever at the start of the year, while Brawl tournaments are practically non-existent. The only one of note coming up is GOML which has more entrants for 64 anyways.
Nothing subjective about disliking a game that actively tries to stop people from having fun.
wew
They're autists trying to perpetuate their "abloo". It's hilarious how hard the try to meme it as slow when footage shows Doom Guy moving at 40 kph, change guns in the blink of an eye, and reload in half a second.
Over-emphasised and nowhere as frequent as whiners make it out to be.
As opposed to Stumbos 4 gravity?
There's a lot of irony about complaining about something being "too easy" and then demanding something else being easier.
How the hell do you even play? Oh right, you probably just tier-fag with your friends so you have to deal with Meta-Knight.
Nope.
Like I said, highly-subjective excuses. This is the part where you'll try to pass of exploits in the previous game as "deep mechanics".
Whatever you say, bucko.
*They're autists trying to perpetuate their "abloo abloo no good new games" meme because Holla Forums enjoys being in depressive sadness-circlejerks about vidya.
It's fine bro. Some people want to talk about competitive smash, which doesn't include brawl, and some people want to talk about the series without a competitive focus.
Maybe what we need is for niggaz to be clearer when they make the thread which they mean. That said, how many people who aren't into the competitive aspect to some degree are even still playing? Besides you apparently.
What a waste of doubledubs.
There's some kind of huge false dichotomy here about not playing in tourneys makes you a filthy casual. I find this incredibly annoying, especially because as someone who 100% completes most of his games, getting dismissed as a casual is grossly wrong.
They're double-dubs of truth. Too bad.
Maybe if you're a child.
If your main game is Brawl, I have some bad news for you.
Also completion is usually more a case of time and persistence than actual skill, just saiyan.
Anyway, when did I say casual? You can be non-competitive and not be a casual necessarily. But the point is, that competitive smash bros doesn't include brawl really. It's irrelevant to the scene. That's how it is. So if you want to discuss non-competitive smash then, you know, fair enough. Like I said, we'd benefit from more clarity on what we're discussing here.
Jesus fucking christ
OH MY GOD that butchered Angle.
Both of those things make the game easy as shit since it becomes easy to escape a punish and easy to recover.
It's not a matter of "how the game is played". There are mechanics built into the game like hitstun cancelling and infinite airdodges that make actual combos nearly impossible.
Great deflection.
There's no product to be shilled when it's a free mod with no monetary transactions involved.
You should probably leave. You clearly aren't here in good faith.
It isn't. I moved on to Smash 4 when it came out (majority of it was 3DS version, haven't put much time into Wii U but I'm getting there).
Not necessarily, since completion requires being able to beat the hardest levels or pass the hardest challenges. In Smash for example, there's some incredibly hard challenges like beating Boss Battles on Intense difficulty or enduring a 15-Minute Multi-Man match.
You didn't, but I assumed it was implied. If it wasn't my bad then.
I didn't really want to force the topic into a particular area. I was just annoyed because it happens every thread with long pointless arguments, and when the last one died I thought it would be a chance to start fresh, only to be greeted with "LOL, who likes Brawl, amirite?" in the OP. I just want to enjoy talking about Smash here for once. But all that stuff that isn't competitive talk gets frowned upon. Want to talk about characters? "Rosterfag!" Want to talk about modes? "Kek, who cares about single-player in a fighting game?"
What I was gonna post had this not turned out this way wasn't worth posting anyway. It was just gonna be asking for some opinions on some ideas.
Apparently it's because patches on 3DS contain all the previous patches inside it
No, having played with my friends for years I can safely say you can get KO'd frequently way before 200%
Money doesn't need to be involved in shilling, it's all about getting attention. Paid shilling being the only kind of shilling is a dank meme Holla Forums has pushed.
As you would say, great deflection. You haven't proven what I said about it as wrong.
Like Donkey Kong Country Returns and Halo: Combat Evolved on Heroic difficulty or higher without dying?
Brawl has fewer movement options than its predecessors and no hitstun. If you're autistic enough to enjoy that, then good for you, but I don't think most other people appreciate attacks and special moves being unsafe on hit. Much of the same is true of tr4sh since you need to have nearly frame-perfect inputs for something as simple as dashdancing, which is not aided by the 10-frame input buffer.
Everybody here but you has a fine time talking about Smash. The only time I see people arguing is when you come in and start shitflinging about how we're "elitist" for not liking a shitty game and deflecting when people prove you wrong. And apparently you're dumb enough to like nuDoom and its metroidvania design, which is an entirely different kettle of fish. If you want to be proven wrong about it, then go read the fucking sticked cyclical thread which has been on the catalogue for the last few days. Christ, it's not hard.
If you want to have fun talking about Smash, then just have fun talking about it and post shit that stimulates discussion instead of screaming about "melee autists" and "exploits.">No, having played with my friends for years I can safely say you can get KO'd frequently way before 200%
Stop talking dirty to me, I can't take much more of this.
Yeah, Leffen got a Visa to Canada which he hopes to extend to allow him to visit the States. I hope M2K doesn't beat himself up - the infamous set vs Hbox at Summit 2 wasn't even that bad, and if it hadn't been for the rest in the final game it easily could have come back in his favour.
The you and your friends must not understand the concept of DI.
No, it's literally defined as encouraging potential customers.
Everything is a meme to you, you meme loving fuck.
This is a Smash thread. I'm not about to launch into a huge argument about Doom when that discussion is being done to death in other threads.
It being in the game at all is a huge strike against Brawl. With how many times dashing happens in a single match, 1% chance is enough to make it a huge nuisance.
Wait what why is Doom in here?
Patch note summary.
I'm a Bayo main and don't mind her being toned down but I'm hoping she's not been reduced to "your only kill option is Witch Time or off-stage shenanigans"
As long as I can get short off the top combos off opponents I catch in mid air, that's fine. The ground to blast zone off the top combos definitely had to go. But you should still be able to air combo people off the top if you catch them coming down.
I am looking forward to having more incentive to play her incredible offstage game though. I'm thinking maybe a far jump fastfall, afterburner kick towards the stage to catch them, then back air? I dunno. Like I said, I just hope she isn't gutted.
Nigga don't take this shit personal. If you'd just come in and posted your stuff, probably it would have been fine, but you had to take offense and talk about that instead.
It's sad you're still fascinated by that.
Smash 64 has no DI, no dodges/air-dodges, no pummel, no Up or Down throws, no side specials, and I'm pretty sure no sliding Smash Attacks.
And what is wrong with a Metroidvania?
And no, I know about DI. It's kinda obvious to want to hold the thumbstick in a direction that keeps you further from the blastline.
Because anons like to perpetuate their "no good games exist now" sadfest
I'm not even sure if it's worth it now. I'm not in the right mood anymore. Maybe I should just wait for the next thread.
Yeah. Get a new ID, etc. Not like us competitive smash autists are going away.
Or you could just leave Holla Forums because you clearly don't enjoy your time here with everyone else mocking your shit taste.
I'm also a Bayo-player
WHAT META. THE ONLY CHARACTER THAT ACTUALLY MOVED UP DRASTICALLY WAS MEWTWO AND THAT WAS JUST A SPEED AND WEIGHT BUFF
I dunno I'm looking forward to trying out some new shit though. I think Bayo's offstage game is going to be more of a focus. She has a lot of options out there.
Also downwards abkick might be a kill move now offstage….
There still might be a risk with the Downwards ABK cause remember that angle will send you flying hard off stage. So as you said it could be a new kill option. Also reading more into the datamining. her Dair got less ending lag and less Knock Back Growth.
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I'm starting to get into melee and I'm inconsistent with short hopping (especially on sheik) and wave dashing. Any advice?
Try doing jump exercises like regular hopping
Do that 20 times
Now swap the exercise to pressing the jump button faster with until you notice short hopping
Now add some air dodging but do it the stage abit more at an angle try that for 10 times until you find a good rhythm for it. That's how I learned it.
Also heres a video on Shieks Neutral game.
If you want to pick her up
Focus less on how quickly you press the button but on how quickly you release it. I found that helped more with the timing on those two.
Just did this earlier. Was pretty pleased with it.
Nice.
At least they didn't touch her smash attacks.
Yo guys, Smash Bros Legacy any good?
HOLY FUCK THESE NERFS
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This is of truth. Every single casual or competitive smash player that I have seen or known has either accepted melee as best or moved on to smash 4. I have not yet met a single person who still plays brawl regularly or considers it to be the best game since 2014.
Thanks smash bros
Do you use Bidou? I'm not sure how much Bayo would benefit from it compared to other characters, but I'm curious as to how much mileage Joe Average gets out of it.
When you practice, just give yourself a simple goal, like wavedashing across FD, and try to do it without messing up. If you start and finish your session with something simple like that, it helps your brain and muscles remember it because they had to recall it from the start of the session.
I hope low tiers get buffs. Saw a few videos about DDD's broken hitboxes, and it really makes me wonder how stuff like that can go overlooked for so long. Although I guess it really shouldn't surprise me, since the developers and balance changes often apply to the best and most commonly used characters; low tiers are stuck in this weird cycle where they have broken hitboxes or bad frame data, so people don't use them, so the developers don't see them, so the developers don't fix them, so nobody uses them.
N64 has changed to Fox for the sake of it being fun to play him.
Melee is of course Mr. Game & Watch.
PM is also Mr. Game & Watch
Sm4sh is hard to decide. I've tried to keep with Game & Watch, but i had a slow but noticeable shift to Ryu
If this question is directed as "hypothetical" then it would be Armada. But if this was directed as irl, then it's this annoying Captain Falcon that for some reason bodies me in PM
In Melee i'm trying to focus on my spacing. I tend to fall on pure offense, and with no plan causing me to get severely punished.
One of my Favorite stages has to be the PM Battlefield. Those moving bones on the bottom! As for the least favorite stage is mostly belongs to Pirate Ship on both Brawl and Sm4sh
All video games are for kids.
I'm trying to learn it. My analysis is as follows:
Bayo's fox trot is trash, her dash dance is at best mediocre. She also lacks backwards hitboxes, so, for the most part a lot of bidou tech is not super useful for her.
That said, I think the sliding spot dodge is going to be crazy good on her because her spot dodge is frame 1. I need to bear down and make that shit natural because it's such a good defensive option.
But overall, unless we discover some kind of janky bidou thing that can be used to make more combos, which is….unlikely but possible, since you could reset a bidou hold during, for example, witch twist or afterburner kick, I don't think she'll be a big beneficiary.
Would anyone mind if Bowser's Final Smash in the next game ditched Giga Bowser and was the Koopa Clown Car from Super Mario World instead? Flying around dropping Big Steelies and Mechakoopas or ramming into people to damage them?
The concept of a sliding spot dodge does seem useful, especially since she gets so much off of her openings.
Giga Bowser is iconic in the series, so I wouldn't want to see it get ditched. The way you're describing the clown car, it seems similar to Yoshi's FS.
What I want to see is the concept of a FS incorporated into regular gameplay somehow, like a traditional super meter, and have a toggle to turn it off in the options menu. I think it'd be a nice layer of gameplay to add to the normal stuff.
I just think it'd be better if he had something he had in the games rather than something that appeared in one Smash game as a bonus boss.
I don't think it'd be the same as Yoshi's FS. The Big Steelies are giant boulders that roll along the ground, and the mechakoopas would be tossed in an arc and then walk on the ground just like in his boss fight, so neither would be remotely similar to Yoshi's fireballs.
I think they should change Peach's too, but only because it's rather crap.
Yeah. If you could sliding spot dodge reliably….shit's frame 1 so it'd be almost like having a decent roll.
I dunno. I'm predicting that her offstage game is going to become more important with the nerfs, so, any bidou tech that helps with that might have a place.
I've been exploring her offstage some. Shit's fun.
Little Mac's meter for his KO punch functions similarly to that. Not sure if I'd like having that on every character or if it would fit all their existing moves and playstyles, but it's an interesting idea.
Also, turn off your sage.
hey dude, Id love to join your mumble to fuck around and call everyone playing on the stream a nigger.
I don't see any Mario up there.
I've played Project M a bit lately after many months of not playing. It's really fun. I'd like to start playing 4 again, but I don't feel like playing my 3DS.
I rotate a lot, so I'll just go with who I play most.
Melee: Cap and Peach.
Project M: ZSS and Sonic.
4: Wii Fit Trainer.
I don't play in tournaments.
I don't do that. I just play the character and get comfortable with control in general.
Peach's Castle 64, Temple, Fourside, and Yoshi's Island.
Dreamland 64 in Melee. Maybe Pokemon Stadium.
Less free combos? Word.
Fucking good. As for the knockback changes, I don't really know how that'll turn out for now.
Apparently there's a Smash Sisters event at GOML too. Why do they even bother when like only 10-20 people ever show up?
Im gonna link a post that argues why smash sisters should exist. It is all invalidated though since it references Milktea, a known SJW supporter.
That piece just gets me mad. The whole holier than thou attitude is making me want to vomit.
Man the SJW bingo card would be bursting.
Self righteousness
Ludicrous straw man arguments (There are only TWO KINDS OF MEN who disagree and they are these kind: the kind who love women only events and feminism but want to do it a little differently, and evil misogynists)
Silly divisiveness
Blaming folk
Coddling
The list goes the fuck on. I also can't tell if the writer's a tranny or not based on youtube videos. (Embedded)
It's such a comprehensively shitty attempt to make a point that all I can feel from it is a desire to pat the writer on the head and say "It's impressive that you tried cupcake"
The user talking about brawl should replace the word Brawl with Trash 4.
The content argument doesn't apply to it, but the core mechanics? They're so poor in Smash 4.
All of the female players that I personally know don't get the point behind smash sisters.
I fucking smash 4 players. Im doing more testing , this is bullshit
The issue is at least resolved.
Blame For Glory scrubs, nobody gives a damn about zero or reddit, otherwise Smash 4 would have been Melee HD.
Still, the problem wasn't that Bayonetta was too good (although her abnormal knockback behavior was definitely something that should have been resolved, because braindead combos are bad), the problem was that every other character fucking sucks.
Nerfs shouldn't even be a question. Just buff EVERYTHING.
It would be nice if more people came to this realization, but the majority of them simply yell in anger for nerfs. There are still a lot of characters that are struggling to keep up with the better characters, and the only thing this patch did was nerf one fucking character.
Yeah. It's not a popular argument, but it's the right one.
Taking a stock in Smash 4 is one hell of an ordeal for a lot of characters. You have to make a ton of small trades to build up to a percent where you might be able to land a kill move. You don't even have kill confirms most of the time, so you have to wing it and hope you don't eat a serious punish because you're too laggy when you inevitably whiff.
I believe Super Smash Bros Crusade has that type of Final Smash mechanic implemented, but it's a fangame.
top kek
anybody else happy the fact The Sharpest Smash will never get officially or fanonically dethroned anytime?
That's because they liked the game enough to actually play it, and aren't fucking retards that need a "welcoming environment." If the Melee scene isn't welcoming enough for you then maybe competitive vidya isn't for you.
What makes Melee so fucking great is the fact that it was easy to pick up and hard to master. And old faggot could pick up the game, play the adventure mode several times, do the event matches and be happy with it. It appealed to casuals, and hardcore players.
Whose ready for more Greninja play
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What's even crazier is that you don't even need to learn tech to be good.
Borp will kick the ass of any scrub who thinks he's hot shit because he just learned how to multishine.
Melee is still a very mental game, even with the tech options.
Fuck, thanks.
I will likely be busy until tomorrow afternoon, around 3:30 or 4:00 EST. After that I'll be glad to verbally shitpost with you.
I'm glad someone else understands this. If everything is busted, then nothing is busted. People, as it turns out, like doing stuff with degenerate systems like MvC2 and it's not like casual players will be able to make much use of it anyway.
Definitely my biggest gripe with tr4sh. Between the low damage, low knockback, insane recoveries, and intense stale move modifiers, you're forced to take 10 or 15% off a whiff punish and be happy with it. Even if you win neutral a million times, you don't get rewarded for boxing your opponent into a corner because your moves won't have any fucking knockback because you've been hitting with them so much and your character probably doesn't have that many viable neutral options in the first place.
And here's the GOML 2016 stream schedule. I probably should have posted this earlier, but better late than never.
WHY THE FUCK DID IT SAGE
Hey what time zone does Canada use?
What, like, the whole country? There's Pacific, Mountain Time, Central, Eastern, and Maritime (not counting all the different places which may or may not observe daylight savings). Newfoundland is half an hour ahead of Maritime time because they're weird out there.
GOML is in Toronto, so the times are all posted in EST, as the image mentions.
Oh oops sorry about that I'm retarded thanks for pointing that out then.
Do you guys think it's a bad idea to have a palette swap that references the alt costume?
What I mean is, if Samus had the Fusion Suit as an alternate costume, would it be stupid to still have a Fusion Suit palette for her default outfit?
This question is weird because I can't ever imagine a situation where Samus has her fusion suit as an alternate costume like Olimar/Alph. I figured the palette in the
I guess if she did have both suits available, then yeah, it would be dumb to have the option for her varia suit to be coloured like the fusion suit.
The main reason I thought about it because if I was in charge I'd make every character have 8 palettes for their default and another eight for their alt, and with Samus it would be:
I'd cut the ugly Smash original Green palette for a Phazon Suit palette, but the still leaves the Fusion Suit palette and I don't know what to replace it with. The only other suit that isn't referenced is the PED Suit, but it's colours aren't exactly good for a swap based on what I've seen of it. It's sorta just the Varia Suit's colours but with a duller orange and the yellow replaced with grey.
Let's join up on a Discord server and shitpost guys.
Here
Hey OP, I m the guy who wants to shitpost.
Letzgo gaiz
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How about we don't act like total faggots and use Mumble instead.
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8v.servers.moe or 8ch.servers.moe - Port: 64738
And like I said earlier, I won't be able to shitpost until like 3:30, sadly.
WHY DO I KEEP SAGING I TURNED IT OFF
What character would be a good counter for Sheik in PM? A friend got butthurt because i fucked his Ike-loving ass with Ganondorf.
you'll just get an much worser alternative from Nintendo, fam. he's not going anywhere.
remember Brawl? then you'll remember pic related as producer of the game and Game Arts.
remember Game Arts? then you'll remember not just Lunar, but TMNT Smash-Up.
remember neo-HAL? they were involved in Sm4sh 3DS' development, nothing good came out of that outside them doing their own amazing shit.
if a scrub from For Glory can't even into Hadouken as Ryu, i doubt they'll get any where far with Melee.
At least he'll make it into top 96, but he's going to have to beat Ryan Ford if he wants to make it into top 32. I know he's beaten his Falco, but I don't think he's ever beaten his Fox.
Low Tier mains always have it rough.
maybe they shouldnt play cancer low tiers then.
While we are at it, if you dont play a spacie or Marth then you have brain damage, you cant tell me anything else is more fun.
I'm hanging out in the Mumble now under Vidya Play Rooms > Room A. Going to be watching pools for the next hour or two if anyone wants to shoot the breeze.
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At least Kirby Fighters Deluxe actually lets you turn off hazards instead of giving us FD reskins, plus jumping feels better in it than in Tr4sh
I guess we full eSports now.
If they learn how to deliver lines better (enunciation, projection, timing) and work the memes in better, I'm completely okay with this. Cinematography was underwhelming but they're probably working with a small space.
That's incredible. It's like satirical shilling.
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I play brawl for snek
her gloves remind me of condoms for some reason
they're not even the same size, shape, or the same material.
Ganon, Melee/Brawl/Smash4
Captain Falcon, All of them
Little Mac, Smash 4
Snake, Brawl
Fuck Phaggotry M
(I'm just deep sea salty they replaced Snake's rocket launcher with a tranq dart.)
Anyone who believes in tier lists.
Then I usually promptly beat them, but not before scolding them on believing that a specific character is bad because the people who play it is bad.
All of them, considering I have a 3ds and many are unable to be performed on characters such as Little Mac or unable to be performed on a 3ds at all. (Bidou, for example.)
Anything that is able to be completely neutral, like most square non-floating stages, like the Yoshi's World stage or some omega stages.
I'm so glad M2K didn't sell out to this. Wether his aspergers made him too scared or he didn't want to sell out, I'm happy either way. Bless him.
I'm satisfied.
Channel the spirit of Borp. Destroy tech-savvy spacies who can't do shit in neutral.
Wrecking Fox and Falco mains is always fun.
We never saw him again after that.
Even at higher percents ABK doesnt combo into anything
Are you fucking kidding me. This is what they called Balance Butcher a piece of the combo tree and call it a day. This is such bullshit the move is rendered useless even with DI it doesn't connect to anything
What they should of fucking done was keep the original ABK angle and when it connects to the 2nd ABK it now sends them out at a weird angle so it doesn't connect to the Up B. I'm all for the 2 units more of SDI(SHOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THAT SINCE DAY 1 BUT PEOPLE ARE RETARDS). What made bayonetta great was her extensive combos and now that they chopped off a branch of her tree, she becomes even more crippled than before.
Also this was such a waste of a fucking patch. No one got else got nerfed nobody got Buffed. Good job Smash 4 community wew lad.
Damn, man. I didn't realize she'd get nerfed that hardcore - I was tempted to shitpost or something, but ABK was a big part of her punish game, if I remember correctly. Without it, all her combos are basically going to be off of aerials (not as unique) and WT (more easily SDI'd), right?
Wow, really? I thought there would be some balance changes given how big the file size was. It boggles me how they can look at Puff and Ganondorf and think of them as not needing any changes.
>gets wrecked in his first match by a skilled Roy
But did that skilled Roy beat any Fox?
He beat the Foxes he ran into, but then lost to the guy that eventually won who was using Ike.
Pretty much. Now her play style is more of "Hey land a Witch time takes a stock, now you have a sheik killing problem"
I shouldn't have to rely on my witch time 24/7 to get kills.All counters should be treated as a Trump card to get kills. Also she now has to play more campy against Some characters since her up ABK got fucked and that was a good approach tool.
I've been watching lots of Brawl at GOML.
I miss it. It's better than Smash 4 at a lot of things.
This is just getting sad.
Better at having SP content worth giving a damn about and having some more jank tech. Ledge trumping is also pretty bad since the off-the-ledge game is practically non-existent in both games so not having it is a plus. Other than that I can't think of anything it really does better.
I just caught the tail end of grand finals and a few minutes of a Meta Knight ditto. Never watched competitive Brawl before in any serious capacity, but it was kind of chill, which was nice. I would never be able to play it seriously, but at least it appears committed to the idea that the neutral game is king, as opposed to tr4sh, whose "punish game" involves mostly up tilts and up airs. Brawl seems to have almost zero tech skill and zero advanced movement options, but at least you don't have to put up with the "perfect pivot" shit in tr4sh which requires continual near-frame-perfect inputs just to dashdance and move around.
Made me realize how much I dislike rage as a mechanic, too. Snake's up tilt was always a viable kill option, even if he had staled it twice in the same stock. If that same set had been played in tr4sh, the up tilt would've done wildly different amounts of knockback and damage, and it would've been very difficult to gauge whether or not it would be worth committing to as a kill option.
Oh, and you can grab the fucking ledge, too. It was nice to see Meta Knight get edgehogged.
I guess Brawl might not be as shitty as I thought. I'll have to go back and watch some of top 8 to see if this holds true for other characters.
"Jank tech" can mean a lot of things. I don't know how much this would matter at a competitive level, but you can at least cancel projectile lag with certain characters (Link's quickdraw, Fox/Falco's blasters, etc.), which makes them feel a bit faster.
what should replace this asshole?
Assorted A E S T H E T I C statuettes.
Now that Melee top 96 is being broadcast, I'm going to be hanging out in Mumble. These commentators are godawful.
Forgot to mention, but the room is Vidya Play Rooms > Room A. Same as yesterday.
The matchup is actual hell. I have to be perfect of I gett CC'd, downsmashed, and die at 30
It doesn't have much tech, but when you can use it, it's fun as fuck.
Luckily, Brawl has some great matches from when it was active.
Two of my favorite sets are Mr. R vs Salem at Rescue and Vinnie vs Nairo at Uprise.
im a fox main and I feel you 100%. Samus players are fuckin cancer
AHHHAHHAHAHHAHA
M2K FUCKING HYPE
Impressive.
Fox is probably the best top-tier matchup for Samus, some would say it might be even.
Still watching Melee top 16 in the Mumble. Vidya Play Rooms > Room A.
Shroomed just took a game off Hungrybox on Dream Land.
Yeah, and first game too. But HBox can come back from a first game loss, both in terms of skill and mentality. [Edit: He did. Too bad. If he'd gone to losers then west would've gotten top 3, lel.]
M2K LEFFEN LET'S GO
Placing any bets? Leffen 3-1 M2K
You fucking fool look what you did
Stop your meme magic asshole
FUCK
BUT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD TOO
SHIT
Well, it was 3-2, although Leffen did a 0% SD in one of the games M2K won.
Now Sad2K activates, so melee is over for him. Let's hope that doesn't affect his Smash4…
fuck
FUCK
Actually, not sure it was 0%.
I was pretty impressed that M2K did decent despite switching characters twice during the match. Kudos to him for that.
Did you see M2K 3-0 fucking ZeRo in Smash 4 though? That was pretty hype.
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kek
Remember user…
I caught the end of it. Was impressive, to say the least.
"'ANYONE DOWN FOR MELEE NETPLAY!?"'
If ya are, I'm hosting a room right now. The sekrit password is 99bb99f5
Guide to netplay:smashladder.com
dang that's some shit formatting
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New smash 4 character: Melee fox
Damn it n0ne.
That's going in all the "top 10 unfortunate SDs" videos…
fucking n0ne LOL the fuck this dude is craz
Then a 2-stock from n0ne. Whew, Gannon in top 12.
Let's fucking go, n0ne.
Depends, do you live in the eastern US?
THE PEOPLE'S ELBOW
Although it looked like M2K kind of defeated himself at the end.
I can't remember ever seeing M2K win a set in losers'.
Still, congrats to n0ne.
Indeed I do, user.
Jason why
It's a good day to be alive.
Hey, thanks for the Brawl info. I'll be sure to look at those sets.
So whose computer/internet connection fucked up?
MOTHERFUCKER
Fucking amazing set. Fuck Lucky for popping off before the end. Fuck everything. I can barely type. Fuck.
Fuck. Such a close set, almost a reverse 3-0 from n0ne.
RIP Canada - only good at the not Melee games. Congrats to Ally.
You will not be forgotten n0ne.
At least Jiggs is still here. Anyone else not like Melee Jigglypuff? I love how she moves in the other 3 games, but I can't get into her in Melee. I really don't appreciate the lack of buffs in smash 4.
Shots fucking fired, holy shit.
She moves like garbage in tr4sh. I always feel like I'm trying to float through syrup because her air acceleration is so low and her aerials are so sluggish. She's so much faster in Melee than Brawl and tr4sh - what makes you prefer it?
I don't know anything about how she moves in 64, but it seems smooth from the footage I've seen.
MANGO FALCON.
Armada on suicide watch.
Holy shit.
Hbox isn't fucking done.
Should i wait for the nintendo NX version?
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It'll likely be tr4sh with all the DLC, so yeah, probably.
Nice.
Fucking Mango. 2gud.
I actually really like her floaty smooth movement in Brawl and Smash 4, I think I just like being in the air a lot.
I feel that a lot of her problems in Smash 4 (Brawl to a larger extent) come from the fact that her throws and attacks are generally ass. I recently got the chance to play 64 again not too long ago, and feeling the difference in her throws and u-air made me mad. Watching HBox use Jigg's u-air and d-air also makes me mad.
If you want some real fun with Puff in Smash 4, give her lots of speed buffs as a custom character.
Mang0's Falco is like nothing Ive ever seen , even blows Westballz falco out of the water.
MANGO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE AMERICAN DREAM
Christ. I don't even know what to say anymore. Glad to have him back.
I find it odd you describe her air movement like that. Whenever I play her in tr4sh, her terrible air acceleration makes it tough to move around and fly. It's technically smoother because she doesn't do the rapid zigzagging you see in Melee, but that's just because she can't move around as well. Her animations definitely make it look better, and she's far cuter and puffier in tr4sh, but the lack of speed just sucks all the fun out of the character.
Nigger I'm not grinding out all that shit.
Lovely stuff.
Leffen's ego is going to be ridiculous now.
I may not like the guy, but holy fuck.
Let's see what it takes for Leffen to win a major:
Do people really think this man is a god?
Can Mango just use Marth forever?
Her ground speed hurts her a lot, especially since Smash 4 has the whole landing lag on steroids thing going on. The worst part is that her running A is bretty gud. I probably just don't like the jerky movement she has in Melee.
Oddly enough, I think it's okay when I have Falcon soaring around. I might be remembering his momentum wrong though, since it has been a while since I played Melee.
There's always Smash 5, r-right guys?
He's probably better than PP and M2K (maaaybe not winners' M2K, but losers' M2K is shit).
The silly thing is that Leffen has been claiming to be the best in the world for at least a couple years now, which is ridiculously dubious claim, particularly since he, even recently, if I recall correctly, has a sub-50 winrate against all gods except M2K, and unimpressive win rates against top-10s.
How could he be aware of the existence of Armada and still claim to be best in the world? The difference in overall results is huge.
Mango fucking killed himself, shit.
Good shit to Leffen though.
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Post-tourney interview with Leffen and NO-ONE ELSE, for some reason.
I don't really know how Leffen thinks he's the best, either.
AFAIK, Armada hasn't dropped a set to a player outside of the top 6 player in over six years.
Meanwhile Leffen struggles to deal with vid related.
nah
Shh, you're not allowed to say "Samus problem". If Leffen loses to a Samus, it's bad sleep/breakfast, happens to everyone tbh :^)
Spot the difference?
(And that's not even mentioning sub-top-10 Samuses)
Airhorns are loud as fuck.
The guy who had them honestly should have been ejected from the venue.
As for chants? No excuse there. Need thicker skin.
And that's why the man isn't a god.
Come on.
Missed image.
(nice image)
It's weird that they allowed that airhorn. The person tooting was doing it somewhat sparingly, but still, its sound is quite unusual. Nevertheless, it says something that HBox doesn't specify airhorns.
Perhaps the strangest sound was the M2K chant during Mang0's marth. I'd be surprised if that didn't trip up Mang0's concentration a bit.
Why would it? They were pretty clearly cheering for him, even if they weren't saying his name.
Hmm, evidently some people don't find it as strange as I do. Probably Mang0 wouldn't then. Of course they were cheering for him, but I had a couple-second reaction of "why/how did a crowd start this chant, rather than Mang0 or USA?"
It's a hockey thing. Canadians are weird.
blame Mississauga and brampton
the hyenas are vicious
Good advice for all aspects of life, really.
this good?
Sorry for the crappy shop, but I wanted to just make it quick so I could get across the basic idea (plus I don't really know how to colour change in photoshop efficiently), but does anything else think this would make a nice palette swap for Little Mac's Tracksuit alt?
love it
The Line strike needs a texture cause it looks like you erased half of the Jacket with it
I know, it's not a good shop. I couldn't get it too look right so I just drew with the paintbrush and made it slightly transparent.
Anyway, I only made it as a quick visual aid so you could get the gist of what it'd look like. Really, the point of my post wasn't "Does my palette swap look good?" but "Would a Doc palette for Mac be good?".
Not even Project M devs and modders love him ;_;
the problem is adding projectiles is impossible
like megaman you wouldn't be able to have projectiles that arent physical
you would just be disappointed with the results
She's still good. It's just now you actually have to have some kind of skill.
I really wish they hadn't nerfed he downwards after-burner, though. It's still good for catching people off guard, but you can't really follow up with it unless they're dumbasses and DI towards you.
Top tier or bottom tier, I'll main the Umbra Witch to the end.
Well I suppose a skin is the best I'm gonna get then. Fucking Samurai.
Armada and M2K seem to have switched roles.
Meanwhile PP knows what's up.
Is . . . is the sun coming up?
It's weird seeing Armada this emotional. Welcome to the 0-2 life, pal.
I don't know whether to laugh or sigh.
I guess I should have posted these together.
Thanks for those caps and observations. Interesting to see M2K take it well, legendarily businesslike Armada finally snap, and ever-polite PP release a bit of the inner troll he's always had.
Really glad to see M2K taking a positive spin on it. Maybe I should start calling losers' bracket m2k "bad2king" instead of "sad2king", but the fact remains: it's definitely not mew2king. In his past 10 nationals, sad2k/bad2k/losers2k has won ONE set against a top-9 player (!).
GOML 16: 1-3 n0ne
Dreamhack 16: 1-3 Mang0
EGLX 16: 1-3 Mang0
Summit 2: 0-3 Armada
5 Gods: 0-3 Wobbles
Pax Arena: 1-3 Axe
Genesis 3: 3-0 CDK, 3-1 Wizzrobe, 1-3 Nintendude
Summit 1: 1-3 Mang0
MLG 15: 3-0 Nintendude, 3-2 Wizzrobe, 1-3 HBox
Big House 5: 3-1 Shroomed 3-0 Mang0 1-3 HBox
Year of the healthy2k? M2K's been 3-0ing gods like mad these past few weeks.
Reddit gets offended at everything, what's new. Also hbox had no issue poping off during Summit crews when someone from Armada's team SD'ed.
Guess I'll drop these in as well.
I don't think we're done with Sad2King just yet.
M2K is happy because he kicked Zero's ass. What if he didn't?
I wanna see the M2K glitch replay. Just curious to see what that was.
I dunno why Armada's so disgruntled. It's literally one event.
Can't say I blame him. Canada's crowds are vicious AND get salty real easy
It was like when they chanted "mew2king" when druggedfox pulled out his marth at Evo. It was a sign of respect.
THE SHADOW REMAINS CAST!!!
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They got rid of Luigi's cool FS for something lame. Might as well get rid of bowser's lame FS for something cool.
Put addidas logo on it.
Couldn't be bothered to make it show the fabric texture underneath
Smash 4 is getting pretty popular on Game Banana. Project U soon?
Is there any way I can back up my smash replays?
Record them externally with a camera or a capture card, but if you have the know how you could extract the file that the replays are in.
but no DI
These updates are annoying for this reason alone. It's even worse because this time it was just to nerf one character in the entire roster.
Here's the complete smash mains chart, for anyone who wants it.
I haven't really played much of anything beyond these ones.
Hey, I finally got around to watching the Brawl sets, and the game isn't nearly as cancerous as I thought it'd be. It's still pretty fucking cancerous, of course, since the only way to take a stock is to win neutral umpteen times, but it's better than tr4sh in a lot of regards, which surprised me.
I guess Brawl is a weird, unique chapter in Smash history (and perhaps fighting game history if you're feeling charitable) since it's nothing but neutral game. Looking at it now, I think I can safely say it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets - just most of it. One thing I've always found insufferable about the more vocal members of the community, and our own dear autist, was the idea Brawl was worthwhile because it reinvented the game and made it neutral-heavy (and "without glitches," whatever that means), but there's plenty of neutral in Melee. Any floaty ditto, and any match involving Puff, is inherently going to be a lot more focused on the neutral than other matchups, so having that type of gameplay expand to fill the entire game can't be healthy for the game. It'd be just as bad as every character being as punish-heavy and degenerate as Fox and Falco.
Additionally, the neutral in Brawl is inherently handicapped compared to neutral in other games, since the combo game informs the neutral game - a combo-heavy character like Falco inspires fear and respect in neutral simply because of what he'll do to you if you let him in. That kind of weighted rock-paper-scissors character matchups don't seem like they exist in Brawl, since nobody has any punish game.
I'm kind of rambling at this point, but I've never really examined competitive Brawl, so I just wanted to get my thoughts down. I hope what I've said makes sense and isn't completely wrong.
a challenger appears!
so glad this wasn't a Project M rehash. Sm4sh modding community don't need Big Brother PMDT tell people what to do or anything. Reason why it's dead.
I hope they can add characters
I want my Ray 01
Marth?
Oh, the double-think is strong.
And people claim I'm the one who starts the arguments…
I don't think I've even said that once.
He says that as if it wasn't. Props to him though for not wanting to be some PM-tier autism.
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I don't believe that's true, and even if it is, the tools the the modding community has been making has been geared twords the wiiU version.
Even if the gameplay coding is the same the way it's loaded may not be, requiring yet more code
Fake it 'till you make it.
I guess it's harder than it looks to remove stage hazards.
Continuing my thought process for that smash bros mod from that thread
What they could do for the mod is just buf the fucking low tiers. More kill options than Dthrow into w/e(i.e. Fthrow + Fair) (UThrow to Fair) etc)
I dont even think theres a way to fix Lucina. Shes just a waste of space.
Easy. Cut her.
My Man. Pink Fresh
you can't make this shit up
more leaks from Project M(onkeyshit) during a session on Discord
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Do these autists love Melee so much they even miss the objectively shit roster choices it made?
Someone hasn't been acquainted with the idea of joke characters or has felt the satisfaction in using one to beat other people in spite of being objectively inferior design-wise.
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Pichu's so shit not even Sakurai and TPCi thought it's worth to bring him back. i don't even think Sakurai actually want a joke character other than experimenting weak characters in Smash. (which was jiggs' role, still got nearly cut twice)
remember that HG/SS was Pichu only slight chance of coming back but that shit long gone, people want Sceptile, more genwun, and that swole clown seal in Smash 5.
jesus chirst
They're both abysmally worse clones of other characters. I don't see where the comparison fails here.
If it doesn't take effort away from adding in legit characters, I don't see the problem there.
If only… You mean she barely made it into Melee either?
Sceptile was only wanted after Greninja was revealed in some stupid OCD case of "We have a Fire and Water Starter Final Evos, so we totally need a Grass one too!". Grovyle was the popular one of that line.
Shit choice, and a clone on top of that. The clone padding in Melee was cancer and it's disgusting it reared it's ugly again for Smash 4.
I do, which sucked because I liked having the weaker cast member just to shit on people with.
Jesus they're just going ape shit all over this
wew lad
Brawl and, i think, Sm4sh
yeah yeah patternfags, but nowadays people actually want Sceptile without the "w-we need more X reps in smash!" strawgrasp shit (and hopefully it'll stay that way)
Grovyle would be a popular choice, particularly for for people who played the PMD series. He looks like he would be a neat character.
If I made an 8ch twitch to host the next big tournament so we could have 8ch chat with no faggotty mods, how many people would be interested?
What game first of all is the real question?
He's still pretty weak compared to most of the cast though.
I knew about Brawl, but what evidence points to Smash 4 being the same case for her?
Meh, still seems like it's a remnant from that, which probably led to him being in Pokken.
>not wanting Blaziken
Yeah, I remember the boost he got from Mystery Dungeon. That's why the Sceptile bandwagon shit annoys me. A Pokemon people genuinely wanted got dropped for it's evolution people only wanted to have some autistic completeness of the elemental trio, and said demand still lingers to this day. Pretty sure this demand for Sceptile in Smash is why he got in Pokken, and that's fine for Pokken, but now they got what they wanted so stop trying to shoehorn him in Smash.
Really, Gen III deserves a rep, and it should be Blaziken or Grovyle. Were it up to me, I'd add Blaziken as his own character, and Grovyle would be part of Pokemon Trainer who now spans three gens with a team of Totodile, Grovyle and Charizard.
The good one. Probably just top 8 though.
That's good idea then I'll definitely be interested.
>not wanting Blaziken
would but he's pretty much Chicken Falcon at the end. (more emphasis on the kicks)
the hell happened to all the Blaziken fans from the Brawl hype?
Once this thread hits bump limit I'll make a new one and suggest it in the op
Cooleo then user.
hey Budda , have any idea who's this faggot is? he claiming he's ex-
PM(eme)DT probably another dumbass mixing up info with the "i can't tell u :^)" schlock:
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also, Warcuck7's bitch ass was at halfchan again:
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He'd be a kickboxer. I used to think he'd be a Captain Falcon clone too but I thought of ways to make his specials completely different [spoiler]but now Ryu made the ideas I had now look like a clone of him instead.
Dunno, but Sceptilefags probably drowned them out since another Fire starter wouldn't complete the holy trinity.
Really though, it's most likely because Gen V and VI were causing people to want a character from them instead. I was like that too; I actually wanted Ghetsis using his staff as a weapon and summoning his Pokemon for specials, but I dropped the idea after that bullshit with him getting Kyurem to merely freeze you with those icicles rather than kill you that made me realise that Pokemon is truly a kids series and that I've outgrown it.
No John, you are the autist.
yeah, "mascot" that got left out from 4 despite HG/SS, which was waaay long time ago.
Pichu didn't even join Melee due to "that" aside last minute asspulls
This too.
But… why?
also, i am sure legendaries and the mythical pokemon (pic related) are usually the mascots whatever new gen that comes than another Pikachu clone.
nanobuds' butthurt over leaks
you can get the old ganon costume model in the thread i linked
So a few people knowing about a pet project of his is justification enough for him to destroy the project? Is this man out of his mind?
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the fuck is this?
Oh fun fact about Sceptile in Pokken on the competive side
People or butthurt scrubs hate sceptile players because hes the "Shiek" of pokken that and hes the only Pokemon winning tournaments(well 3 actually) next would probably be Shadow Mewtwo.
crosssite Discord chat of PMCC during the new leakage of PM
no sage
this is coming from a guy who has an AssCreed icon on his Smashboards account, he's fuck retarded
Interesting.
Hey guys just a matter of opinion, but who do you think would make a better Zelda newcomer: Impa or Tingle?
Impa is just basically another Sheik
Tingle isn't really all that, pushed aside by everyone else.
Vaati and Classic Ganon are both better
Not necessarily, she could use shadow magic based on how she is the sage of shadow, or just be based on her Hyrule Warriors incarnation and use the naginata.
Tingle gets a lot of hate but he's a recurring character he even got his own game and they went all out and gave him such a fun-looking moveset in Hyrule Warriors. He'd be a really wacky character, which is perfect in a game like Smash.
Anyone down for rivals?
what exactly does that mean? Is he adding techs? Just doing physics touch ups? Adding movement options? Buffs? Nerfs? Hell, adding characters?
forget it, just learned recently.
guy's a fucking kike
Well that sucks. I would have liked to try out smash 4 with melee techs and physics. And better sound design for that matter.
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