SPACEX TO SEND PRIVATELY CREWED DRAGON SPACECRAFT BEYOND THE MOON NEXT YEAR

Consider the following: SpaceX did two flights with Falcon 9 before they went anywhere near the ISS. Between the first Falcon 9 flight and the first ISS resupply mission, two years elapsed.

Further consider: SpaceX launched 8 times in 2016. Back in 2015, how many did they say they would launch in 2016? SpaceX claims they will launch 30 times in 2017. How many do you think they'll actually launch?

"The Apollo missions never happened" is a Jewish slander meme meant to discredit the greatest technical accomplishment of the German race.

Despite the article being on the SpaceX website itself, the title states something different from the article. The article states they are sending crewed Dragon capsule to the ISS in 2nd quarter of 2018. They state the moon mission will be sometime after they are sending crewed capsules to the ISS regularly. No exact date. And it seems to me they would need to send some unmanned probes around the moon first, since SpaceX has zero experience with anything beyond LEO.

That makes much more sense. They could actually conceivably do that.

Nigger, get an education, Apollo was real, white Americans walked on the moon, with some help from German bro Von Braun. Capitalism + Aryans win again, we will always win, fuck Jews and their Communist BS.

Side note: Early attempt at diversity was to send up a niggernaut. Nigger couldn't come anywhere close to flying well enough, all the big names threatened to quit if they forced the AA hire on them, so he was quietly let go from the program and forgotten.

What's more jewish than that? What you're really saying is that the moonlanding gives you exceptionalism, just like the 6 gorillion gives a jew his. Not here to shit on your thread or anything, I get that NASA is like a sci-fi version of WWE (with some anons thinking it's real, others knowing it's fake but not caring) my point is there are amazing discoveries to still be made on earth and hopefully someday you guys can open your minds to them. Polite sage.

I believe you, Elon Meme.

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Manned space flight is a completely different engineering challenge from unmanned rockets, consider the fact that we sent probes to venus years before getting men anywhere near the moon. There's so much you can do easily with unmanned spacecraft that is either incredibly difficult or outright impossible to do with people on board. So the fact that spacex has been doing entirely unmanned missions (which still explode far more than NASA did back in the day) means they know fuck all about sending people into space. They either need to do some rapid human testing (which is extremely dangerous) to get the experience needed for a moon mission, or they'll remain the "I fucking love science" charlatans they are while Trump rebuilds NASA into what is was meant to be.

Elon Musk is the most transparent conman in modern history.
How anyone can take his bullshit seriously is a testament to human gullibility.

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Not really

Naw you're retarded. The moon landing was accomplished largely with help from German scientists taken in Operation Paperclip.

More like your average buttplug.

Honestly I think that people who hate Elon will either be vindicated or discredited within the next 2-3 years.

BIX NOOD DA WYTE MAN BE LYIN BOUT DEM MUNE ROX AN SHEEIT DEY JUST WON' GIBE US MO MONEY FO DEM PROGRAMZ

I think you mean National Socialism + Aryans, you fucking kike.

Disdain.

National Socialism had private property.

SolarCity was a complete fraud on the taxpayer which O'Bama was more than happy to suckle.
His "green" automobiles are more polluting than the combustion engines he's supposedly replacing. Their "self-driving" "AI" wouldn't be allowed on a public road by responsible officials with two brain cells to rub together.
His "Hyperloop" is retarded beyond comprehension. If anyone thinks about it for more than 60 seconds and can't see why it's a non-starter then they should be dragged out into the street and fucking shot.

So how is SpaceX a fraud?

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If you buy a Tesla in California you get 10,000 dollars from the federal government and 5,000 from California.

I don't trust Musk. His success are subsidized.

you need to learn your history sonny
listosaur.com/science-a-technology/10-spectacular-failures-of-unmanned-rocket-launches/

This along with the Mars mission would create a New Space Age.

9) is from 1997, completely irrelevant since NASA was full of diversity by that point
8) is a Russian rocket from 2013
7) is again from the diversity era
6) is a chinese launch
5) is another diversity rocket
4) is ANOTHER diversity rocket
2) is from a private company

So you've only got three rockets from NASA that exploded, compared to at least 5 from spacex, what's your point?

Isn't the energy sector heavily subsidized?

What would happen if we were to eliminate all energy subsidization?

too late

Apart from windmills and solar panels? No.
Consumption is subsidized in the form of lower tax rates for fuel and electricity, handouts for the poor and strategic reserves.
If those subsidies were eliminated niggers would have to get jobs to avoid death from exposure/hunger and the stock markets would nosedive every time a hurricane hit the Gulf of Mexico.

I agree, though I think these people are the same who support whatever nasa is doing without regard to results if it's wrapped in clickbait language

his failures are too

'green energy' outside of niche markets exist solely through subsidies. Everthing else is considered by the marxists to be subsidies for not paying 'their fair share' of shit like carbon credits and for deducting expenses.

ethanol too off the top of my head.

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You ever read about Mercury-Redstone 1? It was unmanned but nevertheless somewhat infamous because the accident footage is humorous (webm related). I think they used the footage in The Right Stuff the movie, not the cuckold-fetish website.

The details of what went wrong are fascinating though. Kikepedia has a decent rundown: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-Redstone_1#Test_background_and_launch_failure

The part where the rocket, filled with fuel and pyrotechnics, was teetering on the launchpad with a parachute blowing in the wind is particularly amusing.

Why is that woman allowed on that golf course?

They will die.

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flat earth pill

Awesome video footage of an "accident" during the test of the Apollo Launch Escape System.

Fucking universalist bullshit as usual. There is no mankind, there is no universal man.

Isn't quite as bad as many people think.
All the dead yeast left at the end makes valuable, high protein, cattlefeed which stops cows being killed by acidosis from being forced to eat soybeans their entire lives.

Here's a kike poisoning the well. Fuck off, Sinead.

Why are do people golf when the courses would make good rifle ranges?

It's subsidised every step of the way to make an inferior product that you are paid to take at the pump, assuming your state even let's you buy regular gas. I haven't talked to the feedlot guys about it so I don't know about quality of it, but even better would be to not grow corn in wheat country and feed them grass. It's only slightly better than stripping our land to breed 3rd world niggers.

The V-2 rockets burned ethanol and liquid oxygen.

It's basically Status Signaling, the Sport.

Is growing less soybeans really a good thing though? Growing soybeans is good for the soil, good for crop rotation. Soy/corn rotation is very common, soybeans being less profitable to jack up the price of corn seems like a net wash at best.

my point is that early NASA had quite a few failures and explosions, many more than 5 that SpaceX has had so far. If you knew any of the history of NASA this wouldn't be a question, and I'm not going to spoon feed your faggot ass any further.

The problem is what constitutes "early NASA". NASA itself actually has a pretty good track record. But until Apollo, NASA was using boosters designed originally for use as ICBMs. (Redstone, Atlas, the Titan II). All of those had many launch failures during development, but their development wasn't so much under NASA.

NASA gets a lot of credit for work that was done under other rocket programs before NASA existed.

Can we please talk about the impact on trump instead of bickering about space X?

If Trump pulls this off during his first term it would help him get relected for sure.

During the 2nd term the Mars Mission will happen.

>SPACEX TO SEND PRIVATELY CREWED DRAGON SPACECRAFT BEYOND THE MOON NEXT YEAR
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Sounds good to me. I think that crazy genius South African h'white male is really going to do it. He's going to take us to Mars for 500 grand a pop. Start saving up boyos that want to go. Maybe another 10 years or so.

WE CITY OF STARS NAO

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Would such an acmoplishment cause people to tune of the Democrats who're kvetching over the Muslim ban and the wall?

Watch it be some shitskin Saudi Arabians.

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Trump is supposedly pressuring NASA to send a manned lunar flyby mission in 2019 (was supposed to be an unmanned test for a manned one in 2021).
archive.is/PGQ0e
Musk is just being a cunt.

I'm not even sure if that would be legal. Probably would be, but I'm not sure. ITAR prohibits letting foreigners anywhere near American rocket technology, which is why SpaceX only hires Americans or people with greencards, I think. Would a foreigner be allowed to receive training to fly on a SpaceX rocket?

….I am okay with this.

Has no bearing on the billions of dollars spent to set it up to fuel road vehicles.

It's shit, it just happens to be a legume and corn uses a shitload of nitrogen. Soybeans have industrial uses, but you hardly need all we have now for that.

Ya I know that , but If he has a manned orbit that's successful how would it impact his administration going forward?

Would it cause people to largely tune out the democrat outrage over the wall and Muslim ban??

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nasa and spaceX need to join forces and give us the space imperivm NAO

No, just thought I'd share it because this is a rocket thread.

Another fun V-2 fact: the V-2's turbopump was powered by concentrated hydrogen peroxide, decomposed into steam using a heated catalyst.

Another fun ethanol fact: The Mig-25 used ethanol as hydraulic fluid. Russians used to log more flight hours than they actually were flying, so that they could get more shipments of hydraulic fluid for drinking.

actually that might be coolant fluid. I read it years ago in Viktor Belenko's biography, which is very good. He defected to America using a Mig-25. Landed in Japan and handed the plane over to the Americans. The Americans eventually gave the plane back to the Soviet Union, fully dissembled.

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fair point, we were talking about subsidised energy so I got confused. I know I replied, but I've noticed energy/nuke and housing getting shilled hard recently, even on other sites/shows. Not sure why.

On a side note, it's fucking hard to find gas without ethanol, even when it doesn't there tends to be some contaminating it. It's expensive, but it was easier for me to go to 100LL on everything old.

That looks like a successful launch abort system test ;)

yes, foreigners have flown on the space shuttle before which was a whooole different beast. if you can get the FAA to certify you, the US government to allow you to fly, and someone to launch you up, you're fine.
saudi arabians have gone to space too.

Is it possible to start a private space agency in Australia? All states should have one.

i'm pretty sure all you need to launch something into space is CASA certification, permission from the government, and permission from the RAAF. i have no clue about the requirements to make rockets, but knowing how people treat weapons here it's probably very hard to do.

Australia is reasonably close to the equator, so sure. The UK's only space rocket, the Black Arrow, was launched from Australia.

Because people are paying them to go. Capitalism baby. Meanwhile NASA scratches there heads as to weather or not they can even do the same.

I fully expect slippage, SpaceX is bad at staying on time but it will be intersting who will do this girst NASA (not counting 50 years ago) or SpaceX. Neo space race. Then next is the race to Mars; hint SpaceX looks like they are ahead on this one too.

Why do I need two permissions? Aren't they from federal government?

Is it from Woomera?

is it successful?

Any company could have gotten those subsidies for providing the comparable products. You have a pritty retarded reason to be salty.

And you just don't see the billions sent do oil companies, or to United Launch Alliance (an unholy union between Lockheed Martin and Bowing) or any other number of industry such as film or multi billion dollar farms. You only hear about Elon Mus's skillful application of the rules because that's what the kike media wants you to see.

TLDR: kys puppet of the kikes.

i'm pretty sure the government permission is required to launch something into space, and the RAAF permission is required to actually get airspace clearance and launch clearance on the day of the launch, kinda like the USAF does for american launches.

There are a shitload of hoops you have to jump through but generally yes. The most onerous requirements sometimes include having to pay for a government minder to accompany the foreigner continually while in any facility that handles IRAR restricted shit.

*ITAR

Yes, they launched from Woomera. The fourth and final time they launched it, it was successful. They actually cancelled the program before the launch, but the rocket was already there so they said fuck it and launched it anyway.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Arrow

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Show some examples

Kek confirms i'm retarded

Niggers along with Jews would end it instantly. just like the last one.

no wonder her starving daughter can't stand, that moocow ate all her food.

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Trump needs something transcendent to ensure his legacy. He knows how easy it is to destroy (look at Obama). He's taking us to the new planets, it's coming, and he will plant an American flag and a Trump flag.

Why is that golf course allowed in that park/forest/farm?

Moon first user. We can build a station there as a staging point, research (raising life on the moon?) and most importantly mine for and refine all that delicious helium 3 the sun spits on it for the fusion reactors.

Personally I think He3 is a meme. Firstly enough exists on earth to do at least fusion testing with and more can be manufactured in fission reactors. If He3 meant easy fusion they would already be testing with it.

Secondly there are other valuable resources on the moon. Gold, silver, platinum and titanium to name a few. If we build a mass driver we can send them back to earth with almost no transportation cost.

Cautiously optimistic bump.

USA on the moon twice before anyone else can touch it. Damn shame.

Capitalism is a social phenomena that can arise where-ever there is private property. Even when capitalism is forbidden by a regime, if there is any property owned privately by people capitalism can occur. There even capitalism in North Korea, their black market is quite active. Capitalism as a social phenomena is property+trade.

Capitalism as an economic system as a basis for industry requires some form of government approval, just because pragmatically industry involves heavy equipment and large factories which are hard to hide from governments… Whose economic system the right to the word "Capitalism" is something you could spend forever bickering about. Is Ron Paul Libertarianism the True Capitalism? Or is that government tyranny and full-ancap is True Capitalism? What about National Socialists who permit private property and trade, but place restrictions and regulations on various types of trade? Do they lay claim to the "Capitalism" trademark?

The truth is that in politics, there are no trademarks. Capitalism is best used to describe the phenomena, not policy.

Maybe if someone whom are rich enough to create one or more launch site for the rent to the research companies then someone would use the rental money to fund space agency.

Would you rather China gets it?

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How easy it is to file for the permission?

Any company which stole taxpayer's money hand-over-fist like SolarCity did would be bankrupted and have all their directors languishing in jail.
Unless they're political grafters like Musk.
It's impossible for anyone to see because they don't fucking exist.
OIL COMPANIES DO NOT GET SUBSIDIES IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD
You'll have to go to some shithole like Iran to find any.

Have we determined how much this trip costs yet?

i have no clue. it would probably involve a lot of bribing.

it's just having property rights.
the further left you go, the more it's taken away.

I am not rich. I guess I need to learn a business course to start a business and use the reaped profits to fund a small space agency. ;_;

If the Australian government was on board, I'm sure Australian commercial rocket companies could launch from Woomera or somewhere similar. But even with a pad available, the rocket industry isn't easy to get into. Does Australia have any domestically produced missiles, or do they just buy American and British missiles? If they have any missile production companies fulfilling those contracts, I'd say those would be the people to build your space rockets.

But then the question is why aren't those companies already in that business? I think the answer is probably that the government is fierce and the probability of failure is high. SpaceX did it anyway because Elon is kind of reckless in that way…. Now that SpaceX is edging towards success, it will be even more difficult for other companies to do it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_launch_market_competition

What if I don't think you should be allowed to own and sell sex slaves? Does that sort of tyrannical government restriction of the market mean I can't call my society a capitalist society?

More kike lies. After 10 seconds on google I see about 4 billion dollars a year.

americanprogress.org/issues/green/reports/2016/05/26/138049/it-is-time-to-phase-out-9-unnecessary-oil-and-gas-tax-breaks/

Space is fake.

C'mon people, flat earth you fucking NASA cucks.

NASA fakes everything.

The moon is transparent, for fuck's sake.

There is a moral difference between the government giving you money, and the government allowing you to keep more of your money.

Dont you guys have rocket enthusiasts?

I have the same question for america. I know people shoot model rockets, i did as a kid, or even pro ones really high up, so its probably easier here but what does a burger actually need to do to launch something into orbit legally?

FAA permits are needed for space launches, at the very least. You won't get the permits you need to launch into space unless you find a suitable location on the coast and fill out doubtless mountains of paperwork.

Small model rockets are fair game, but you're supposed to call the local FAA tower/airport for larger rockets, and I think more than a few pounds requires a some paperwork. I don't think rocket altitude is a factor though.

Those are specifically not subsidies you fucking fool.
You think UPS doesn't get to write off tax when their trucks are scrapped?
You think an office doesn't get a tax breaks on office supplies?
Every fucking business gets tax breaks.
Oil companies get the most because they're the biggest companies in the world.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_South_Texas_Launch_Site

Exactly my first thought when I read the post title.

yes, but there's a big step from suborbital rockets to rockets that can put stuff in orbit. i wouldn't be surprised if our rocket enthusiasts couldn't make that jump.

They don't have missile producing companies so they have to import them.

The same normal process that has happened throughout history.

Necessity is the mother of invention. As oil becomes more and more expensive, there would be large economic incentives and market signals that would cause capital to flow into the energy sector in a race to develop new energy sources.

Or to put it another way, our current "green" energy solutions would be slightly less efficient and more expensive than they currently are. However, in the future when we actually want to transition to green energy, and there is a demand for it, such methods would be quickly refined and engineered to be far superior to what we currently have, at no cost to the taxpayer, because investors would be supplying private funds in order to make a profit.

If it weren't for outside interference, there would be no valid excuse for subsidizing the green energy sector. Being that OPEC is a bunch of fucking terrorists and like to fuck with oil prices in attempts to destroy our oil industry, there are national security concerns that perhaps demand that we force the taxpayer to help develop alternative energy systems as well as play around with oil prices.

As it is with many things, in an ideal world the libertarians have it right. The free market SHOULD fix it. Unfortunately we don't live on such a planet, and we have to deal with other assholes and savages. So we have to fuck around a little bit, in order to not be kiked.

Which means shit is a little bit more expensive than it should be, and you get taxed for it, and it's ultimately "unfair". But at least the gas station always has gas, and a bunch of goat fuckers aren't constantly cutting off our supplies to fuck with us and cause chaos in our transportation sector.

Yeah and everything your kvetching on Elon for are structured as rebates and tax breaks not hand outs. You smooth brained fagots.

SolarCity got GOVERNMENT GUARANTEED LOANS.
They spent the cash on hookers, goofballs and flushed the balance down the shitter leaving the taxpayer to swing.
You don't even know what you're on about.

Good luck, Elon!

In Dubai he even mentioned the moons of Jupiter. Exciting to see real tangible progress being made on a human timescale, let alone month to month watching the progress! Making life multi-planetary is a real possibility in our lifetime.

The passengers just be rich AF. Almost certainly libtards. They're probably trying to reach hero status this way in order to advertise global warming and to bully Trump.

Obama gave Solyndra almost a billion. That was absolutely flushed down the shitter.

Government backs all sorts of loans all the time.

Elon has paid back his loans, with interest and most ahead of time.

Too bad interstellar, let alone interplanetary telecommunication between colonies will be a nightmare unless somebody figures out how to send data faster than light.

I have a very limited understanding of physics, so any anons who know better correct me here, but from what I know, if you split a particle whatever you do to one half will effect the other half at the exact same time.
Why not carry a bunch of half-particles around and send information through moving them?

Rockets are the coolest shit.

It would be cool to do that if we understood how that even fucking works, and even then the particles would probably have to be under such incredibly stable conditions that the launch alone would fuck up the device. Just look at how much shit that needs to be done to get a quantum computer to even *work*, let alone some kind of entanglement communication.

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i'm pretty sure that only works on subatomic particles and if you do it at a large distance you can't communicate.

They say it wont work for sending ftl communications but I don't remember why.

It can be used to make sure there are no eavesdroppers on your conversation. In fact they are already using it for this in highly secured fiber optic networks, I think even earth to satellite tests have been done using this quantum encryption.

Not technically a rocket, but close enough.

I doubt that is correct, but we can probably deal with 3 minutes at closest approach and 22 minutes at furthest approach with mars considering the new world colonists who had to deal with 8 weeks for a message to get across the Atlantic.

Correct as far as I know
At current distances tried its not broken down. When they're quantum entangled they can be halfway around the world and it'll still mirror. I say halfway around the world because there's not been any space test on this.

Then how will we get that TDKR sequel starring CIA?

Very very technically a rocket.

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Fucking awesome. Thanks.

aerospace is cool

Same thrust equation as a rocket at static conditions.

Also just a rocket that uses air instead of another liquid/solid.

Lol, aero-anons need a special signal to flash at each other in meatspace. I haven't met any yet, but I know they're out there.

Compressed air?

yes

Thrust = (mass flow)*(exit velocity) + (exhaust pressure - ambient pressure)*(exit area)

mark my fucking words, this shit is like clockwork.

practically all space rockets by all countries have been converted ICBMs at heart. Apollo and the space shuttle were rare exceptions. Even so, the SRBs on the shuttle were pretty much stretched Trident missiles.

the absolute madman

Saturn V could have doubled as an Interplanetary Ballistic Missile and could carry enough warheads to glass mars.

Lunar Regolith is only 5 to 100 ppb He3, pathetically low-grade. Whatever we got to the Moon for it will NOT be He3, we can get, and make, more on Earth.

Mars is better, access to Water, access to phosphorous (on Phobos), access to Carbon, access to Nitrogen, access to Sillicates. Its prevelance on Mars and not the Moon means it is more likely for a Martian colony to survive an accident until the rescue ship arrives then a similar Lunar colony would.

Only a fool would set up on the Moon before Mars. And only a fool would try to set up a mono-economy in space, making it little more then like life on an oil well- a place to work, not live.

Niggers consume too much O2 to survive for long on Mars.

Jews too, it's their fucking air intakes.

I don't think jews fit in space helmets.

If they do, they get stuck in it like a fish in one of those traps.

I've still never gotten sauce on this.

Ask /m/, while it's not mecha it does look like something they'd know.
>>>/m/1411

Royal Space Force: Wings of Honnêamise
(1987)

youtube .com/watch?v=3l3yEGblTj8

As someone who is a pilot and an engineer, this anime has beautiful attention to detail.

Pardon the embed.

Isn't the materials too heavy to lift the rockets though? Maybe 4 or more compressors around the rockets to aid the uh…um…the travelling directions.

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Much appreciated, user.

Remember than rockets lose mass as they go. The rocket boosters provide a gigantic amount of thrust at the start, and once they are spent, they drop off like you see most rockets do.
Force is a rate of change of momentum, which at an instant can be simplified as the mass times the acceleration of the object.
Every force has an equal and opposite reaction, so the mass that the rocket is losing times the exhaust speed is the first term of that thrust equation, and the other term is the difference in pressure at the exit because Pressure*Area = Force.
So the addition of those two terms is the rocket thrust which acts on whatever mass is left in the rocket to accelerate it (F = m*a).
This means that as the rocket spends more of its fuel, it accelerates faster and faster for the same thrust. Thrust actually varies with altitude, and for the space shuttle main engines, it's something like 15-20% more out in the vacuum of space than at sea level.

Diversity hires. Bloated management. Climate Change/ISS very science.

Okay, how much is the air that will need go up all the way to the outer space? What sort of the metal that can stand the strong pressure so they don't blow up?

It's too costly to use Jet engines as a first stage.

I'm guessing a lot of it was rotoscoped. But still sexy as fuck. Would fap to.

Hey anons, remember those spooky predictions made before Brexit? The one about an island drifting away, 3 houses become one, etc. Remember that one?

One of the lines is something along the lines of "Water drips from the belly of the dragon"

Fuck…. Are we going to see a SpaceX disaster?

You know they built a linear aerospike for the space shuttle that would have had near optimum expansion ratio from sea level to vacuum. But the shuttle folks chose not to use it.

Are you asking how jet engines work, or how a rocket works?
What I just described was how a rocket works.
A jet engine works like this:

Suck - Bring the air into the engine.
Squeeze - Compress the air and slow it down.
Bang - Mix fuel into the air and combust the mixture to raise the energy of the flow.
Blow = expand the flow (make the pressure drop) to accelerate the exhaust flow, which generates thrust.

There are some nuances that I glazed over for sake of explanation, but that's the basics of how a jet engine works.

A compressed air rocket doesn't contain enough energy to get the rocket to space. This is why we use energetic reactions (burning JP-8, making water from Hydrogen and Oxygen, etc) to create very energetic gasses that can be expanded to produce very high exit velocities.

Yeah I know that, I was just saying that a jet engine on a static test stand has the same thrust equation as a rocket.

probably because you need to vector the engines to keep it thrusting towards the center of mass while the tanks and SRBs burn up.

Yeah I've seen this before, I think legacy vs new won there. No one had ever used one, and NASA probably didn't want to take the gamble when the project was already such a large leap forward. If there's one thing I know about the aero-industry, it's that they value having in-service knowledge of components and materials very highly.
It looks like people are starting to use them in smaller rockets for first stages though.

Nah they had thrust vectoring working on it. They thought it had more mass but it turned out the ssme suffered from bloat so when you count in the added efficiency the spike would have had it would be ahead.

You could still tilt the spike to achieve the same effect. There are annular aerospikes too.

Well the thing about aerospike is the extra mass does not make sense when your using it in one region, it really shines when going from sea level to vacuum like in a ssto or in a shuttle type design but not so much just being used as a first stage in a multi stage rocket. Would probably do alright with decent boosters and would do well as a center stage in a liquid with cross feed boosters but even SpaceX has scrapped plans for that.

does it provide better TWR if you just replaced the RS-25s with three of those?

How about not disaster, but recovery of the dragon capsule and all of it's crew after a successful splashdown in the Atlantic following a perfect manned Moon mission?

If it doesn't provide enough TWR to lift the damn thing, all the efficiency means nothing when it falls over

Both, it would be nice if anti gravity engine and plasma thruster is possible so it is easier to re enter and come back many times. The funds are wasted on the things instead of the research development. 😡

I'm not sure. I think these are too small, but if you sized them up they seem like they would be about the same as a conventional nozzle (perhaps a bit better on the aerospike). It seems like what matters the most in rocket performance is how energy dense you can make the fuel, how efficiently you can combust it, and how light you can get the actual structure of the rocket. The efficiency nozzle is important, but if it adds too much weight or requires too much additional hardware or modifications as opposed to traditional designs, it becomes a difficult sell to the engineering management. Then there's the cost of the rocket, which goes up depending on the complexity of the technologies in the design.

I'll meme to that.

I think we should just stick to conventional rockets not shuttles.

Agreed, but it certainly was sad to see the shuttle go.

Yeah no.
Those are real and are in service on satellites. They have been used on missions to asteroids as well. Usually they are called ion engines and there are a lot of different types.

Also see plasma heat shield.

Yeah it was, but it was a waste of time, Nixon was good at a lot of things, but his choice of LEO stuff instead of mars stuff or a lunar base was sad.

I really just want someone to strap one of these to a cube sat, throw it into MEO, and see if it starts gaining velocity when the Drive is powered.

It will probably be a very small amount, probably worse than ion propulsion.

Are the ayylmaos really the ones that did it?

Is it really ayylmaos?

So it just needs a long distance to take advantage of it's cheat?

But ion propulsion still needs propellant, this doesn't. That's the breakthrough here!

I think it will be fun to experiment if the rocket pad are built outside of Australia border zone. To create a artificial island or other method for the rocket pad and fire a space rocket to see what it will happen.

yes, it solves one problem but does not fix our sanics per second per second problem.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen if instead of using it as an open-ended cavity for propulsion, it was used in a synchronous spherical setup. Like, if this is the explosion version of this effect, what does the implosion version of this effect do?

Since you told me that the satellite used the ion propulsion so maybe they are useful for slow long distance in the outer space. That shouldn't take too much energy. Am I right or not?

I believe they use up a lot of electricity really quickly.

kek
how will flat earthers react to this?
I eagerly await the response of them haha

shshsh don't encourage them to post.

Well, since most flat-earthers are shills who only serve to derail conversations, they'll just disappear.

How much?

Nuclear power source. Problem solved ;)

Constant power of one to seven kilowatts.

Really important to see who the passengers will be - huge political statement.

Okay I can accept that. What is the max speed for the ion thruster in the space? It need to be fast enough so it will supply the space stations more often and possibly build the space hotel for tourism.

With rockets and spacecraft, it isn't about top speed, but how much speed change they can produce, because for their purposes they are usually limited by fuel, and not by maximum speed. This is usually called Delta V.

It all depends on how much fuel you have, how long you're willing to wait, and how heavy the stuff is you're pushing.

also

Okay how many it take ion fuel thrusts to reach the space station in short time then?

How powerful is a ion fuel thrust?

The jews have done some shit I'll grant that, but this is just full retard.

Ion thrusters are never used in atmosphere because they do not produce enough thrust to get something off the launchpad. They are used once in space for course correction and gradual orbit changes. This is due to their low thrust, but high fuel efficiency.

I cannot understand your question but here is something from kerbal neet program

Zero point energy is the only viable interstellar method of travel, period. If you're not warping gravity to create a distortion and effectively "tumble" at faster than light speed to your destination, it's not happening.

Any consideration of a propulsion based system is for basic IFL science bitches.

Making it effectively worthless.

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Elong Musk is a kike.
Why the fuck do you think he's reinventing shit from the 60'?
It's "ee fookoin looove sciens" company that does the limbo it for publicity and draining government bux. One single fucking company can't maintain a space programme, at least in it's infancy.
They were supposed to keep us in a Brave New World-like limbo of space exploration. That's why they were funded by the Bonobo administration.

Refund and de-marxisze NASA, jail this kike and explore the stars with the Trumpenfleet.

HOW MANY IT TAKE ION FUEL THRUST TO REACH SPACE STATION COMRADE ONE OR THREE

Well I am disappointed. I guess space rockets need to be mass producted in order to keep visiting the hotel space stations.

Well I guess we'll see what Lockheed has locked away when Trump starts pushing for his space program.

Tell me how you're gonna get to a distant star and slow down if you run out of propellant.
This can do that because it doesn't need propellant.
Consider this iteration of this propulsion scheme the most primitive possible. When it is refined, it may have orders of magnitude better performance.
Remember that rockets started as fireworks.

It's still a "propulsion" based system, the only way we cross interstellar space is by bending the laws of newtonian physics, not by playing by them. Too many problems.

1. A zero point system requires no astronomically long "acceleration and deceleration" time.

2. A zero point system effectively mitigates the threat of space debris by creating a gravitational deflection field, and secondly by seriously attenuating the distance between places due to the warping of space/time

As I said, everything else is for black science man tier hipsters who want to believe that the pleb tier technology we're allowed to know about is the pinnacle and ultimate solution for space travel.

It's for people too pretentious to hypothesize based on other sources of information because they care more about submitting to groupthink and not being decried a conspiracy theorist rather than logically sorting through what's viable and what isn't based on likelihood and overall efficacy.

You think there aren't any problems on the opposite end?

PURELY SCIENTIFIC SIMULATION coming through.

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it's actually 0.00008 kN!!!

Clearly you'd have to develop a method of determining your end-point so that you weren't ending up somewhere you shouldn't be, but it's nothing really too "out there".

All you're doing is replicating a gravitational distortion similar but not of the same magnitude as a black hole.

You're simply attenuating the distance from one place to another by temporarily warping gravity so badly that the distance is effectively much shorter, in practice you need to have a tertiary drive to effectively create a pocket distortion to enable the occupants to survive the trip, but if you can move an object with that technology, you can do that just as easily.

What about the space elevators?

You would think if they had that technology, they would be using it to teleport weapons to targets instead of spending trillions of dollars on guidance and delivery systems.

Until a method of propulsion more efficient than rockets is invented, Solar system will be our only place of expansion, and a tenuous one at that.
Secondly, solid ego-engineering and terraforming technology has to be set up, in order to colonize these distant places and make them habitable for humans in shortest possible time.

currently we have no material strong enough to take the weight/tension required for one. Better to go for Mass Drivers for unmanned launches and rockets for manned.
We do have the tech to build a skyhook or a launch loop. see embed and try not to picture Elmer Fudd if you dare.

Why do people talk like this?

John Podesta

Reported

he's just a CIAnigger

It remind me of a roller coaster flying off the track in a computer game.

As long as they are not White and they are spayed, it's fine with me.

Pic context?

Red fighters look cool for props but how the fuck are the yellow ones supposed to fight or even fly with such small wings?

They didn't happen, you larping simpleton. The fact you just cry whenever anons point this out and have a mod delete to protect your fee fees should tell you something you're a fucking retard

F-104 says "Hey"

It looks like a spindle with an engine and paper folded around it.
I like it.

Checked!
Yeah seems kinda strange, but eh Socrates would have found our helicopter to be just as strange.
Hi Moshe! Are you worried that you and your people can no longer control the narrative? Or is it the fact that your people are incapable of colonization and can only be parasitical? Which even your "chosen" people know would be next to impossible to do in a space based society.

he's a shill who goes to boingboing

canards

Says pic related. Fyi jews control msm which pushes the exact same bullshit you push here, you're the kike, kike.

Read the design section for this plane.

en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter#Design

The wing leading edge thickness was so fine the ground crew could cut themselves if they walked into it by accident.

What? Frankly I have no idea what you are talking about. My id changed and I am .

Pretty neat.

Ah did I trigger you Ari? or did you reset your router/switch proxy?

My apologies, I was also responding to who is pretty obvious in his shilling.
Also you should watch some of that boobtuber's megastrucures/space colonization videos, sure he sounds like an educated Elmer Fudd, but he is very informative and a good place to get an idea of what is currently possible. I like the fact that he uses the more realisitc "dyson swarm" rather than "dyson sphere" as the engineering needed for an actual sphere is mind boggling hard, but a swarm of solar collectors and habitats is something we could begin work on right now.

Aren't KSP planets small as fuck to accurately simulate anything?

You can mod it to make it realistic sizes and physics. I'm not sure if that's what he has though.

Alright, no worries mate. Yes I watched the video and I am very happy that it's captioned because I am deaf however I do not know who Elmer Fudd is. Lofstrom loop should be for the ride to go around the equator and land on the spaceport in Australia just like the rollercoaster. It sound like a lot of fun and whoever try to ride should store their eggs/sperms in the IVF bank.

this won't happen

Switching vpns makes it more work for the kike mods to delete posts.

It's not "teleporting".

This is not wormhole shit, and it requires if you believe Bob Lazar's story as I do, a synthesized stable isotope of an element heavy enough to warp gravity in a sufficient quantity.

Supposedly we already have access to limited amounts of this technology, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we already have people traversing space with it, but you're not going to see it being used for things like missiles because it's virtually impossible for humans to synthesized, so we'd have to work with what we're given.

I do have to emphasize it's not about "teleportation", you're literally creating a gravitational distortion that the affected object "falls" down, and the sharper the distortion, the faster it "falls" not only that but the physical distance from the start point to the end point is compressed by the gravitational distortion.

You could traverse the known universe in a manner of hours or days.

Oh for fuck's sake would you just take your shittily edited video and go back to faceberg?

I wha, ah, um. I have no words for your lack of loony tune knowledge. I don't think we can be friend anymore joking with ya. He's a rather famous character from the Loony Tunes who has Rhotacism, or the inability to pronouce the letter "R"

Wait, is it a guy with the shotgun who is hunting for the bunny? I know him but not his name.

Yep that's him. don't let /k/ find out you don't know. He's their lovable hunt happy dumbass.

Hehe, I won't my mate.What will happen to space station when they are no longer usable?

it looks like birds are flying around

Gotta check those dubs, but the magnetic field on Jupiter makes visiting any of the moons around it pretty much a death sentence for any earthly life. It'd cook you dead in no time flat. Good Luck Elon though.

This is the best timeline. Warhammer40k when?

Check this out.

up-ship.com/blog/?p=14737

We have the technology,we're going to utilize it on the new ford carriers. We're also building rail guns.

If it worked in LEO, the people who doubt it would still doubt it. They'd say it's just pushing of earth's magnetic field or something.

KSP planets are very small, but IIRC they are also very dense, such that they have gravity similar to real planets. Either way, there are mods that make the game use real planets.

rocket sled documentary, with the legend Colonel John Stapp himself

They wont be denying it after it doubles its orbital speed on a gradually widening trajectory. If they do, they're anti-science.

Can the tiny amount of propulsion it generates be used to escape gravity from any meaningful space object at all?

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no.
no.

It's kind of like pushing a semi truck with a feather.

If you are already in orbit, yes. From the surface… no. Not at the current thrust levels.

I fucking love you.

What, is it going to be shaped like a dragon dildo?

Yes, that's definitely their intention.

did the jews sabotage this to suppress space travel for their reptile masters?

Jews are the reptilians.

If Musk had faith in his company he'd fly around the moon himself.

c-span.org/video/?424662-1/watch-cspans-live-coverage-presidential-address-congress&live

Better option.

Well fuck.

Wasn't that the one with Cuckerbergs satellite on it?

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Wew

Oh, look, it's fucking nothing.

Yeah I honestly don't get the skepticism over the ISS, you can literally fucking see it go over. It would be harder to fake and this looks nothing like the plane dropping zero g simulation experiment.

Dude, you can see the ISS.
Look up where its path is, check where it will be at night and see if it's near you. I've seen it several times.
LIke said, it would be harder to fake.

Actually, te whole "Why don't you let us look out the window thing" is really weird. Film is basically free these days why aren't there more pictures, all the time like constantly of all sides?

Proofs?

Because of all the ayys whizzing by. Earth's orbit is like a fucking freeway for aliums.

Does it deposit gelatin eggs?
polite sage for degeneracy

and ride in self-driving electric car everywhere on the surface and only use solar power otherwise

You can watch live from a camera mounted to the thing

It's not very exciting, but it makes a nice background to various music videos.

youtube.com/watch?v=ddFvjfvPnqk

Doesn't make much sense to stick a camcorder to the viewing port when you already have dedicated cameras for filming the same shit. Less glare.

Humans have not been beyond LEO. Now excuse me as I must have my flying car washed with much haste.

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

that's space dust or some bs, doesn't even look like bubbles

They're sabotaged to prevent people from realizing the earth is flat.

Go kick up the dust in your basement and shine a flash light through the cloud, imagine what those little specs look with the sun shining on them with no atmosphere absorbing the light on the way down.
Then look at the side by side clip in that very file you posted and tell me why the bubbles eject in all directions and not just towards what would be the surface had it been shot in a pool.

Won't it just bounce off the glass?

Deus Ex is a documentary. Do your own research.

yes please

its relatively easy, but that doesn't mean easy in general

I've been at/in that bunker complex it's amazing how much it seems unchanged other than the gantry being there.

Failed capsule separation so it couldn't be entirely that.