Pat Buchanan: The Coming Clash With Iran

Pat Buchanan: The Coming Clash With Iran

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When Gen. Michael Flynn marched into the White House Briefing Room to declare that “we are officially putting Iran on notice,” he drew a red line for President Trump. In tweeting the threat, Trump agreed.

His credibility is now on the line.

And what triggered this virtual ultimatum?

Iran-backed Houthi rebels, said Flynn, attacked a Saudi warship and Tehran tested a missile, undermining “security, prosperity, and stability throughout the Middle East,” placing “American lives at risk.”

But how so?

The Saudis have been bombing the Houthi rebels and ravaging their country, Yemen, for two years. Are the Saudis entitled to immunity from retaliation in wars that they start?
Where is the evidence Iran had a role in the Red Sea attack on the Saudi ship? And why would President Trump make this war his war?

As for the Iranian missile test, a 2015 U.N. resolution “called upon” Iran not to test nuclear-capable missiles. It did not forbid Iran from testing conventional missiles, which Tehran insists this was.

Is the United States making new demands on Iran not written into the nuclear treaty or international law — to provoke a confrontation?

Did Flynn coordinate with our allies about this warning of possible military action against Iran? Is NATO obligated to join any action we might take?

Or are we going to carry out any retaliation alone, as our NATO allies observe, while the Israelis, Gulf Arabs, Saudis and the Beltway War Party, which wishes to be rid of Trump, cheer him on?

Bibi Netanyahu hailed Flynn’s statement, calling Iran’s missile test a flagrant violation of the U.N. resolution and declaring, “Iranian aggression must not go unanswered.” By whom, besides us?

The Saudi king spoke with Trump Sunday. Did he persuade the president to get America more engaged against Iran?

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker is among those delighted with the White House warning: “No longer will Iran be given a pass for its repeated ballistic missile violations, continued support of terrorism, human rights abuses and other hostile activities that threaten international peace and security.”

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The problem with making a threat public — Iran is “on notice” — is that it makes it almost impossible for Iran, or Trump, to back away.

Tehran seems almost obliged to defy it, especially the demand that it cease testing conventional missiles for its own defense.

This U.S. threat will surely strengthen those Iranians opposed to the nuclear deal and who wish to see its architects, President Hassan Rouhani and Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, thrown out in this year’s elections.

If Rex Tillerson is not to become a wartime secretary of state like Colin Powell or Dean Rusk, he is going to have to speak to the Iranians, not with defiant declarations, but in a diplomatic dialogue.

Tillerson, of course, is on record as saying the Chinese should be blocked from visiting the half-dozen fortified islets they have built on rocks and reefs in the South China Sea.

A prediction: The Chinese will not be departing from their islands, and the Iranians will defy the U.S. threat against testing their missiles.

Wednesday’s White House statement makes a collision with Iran almost unavoidable, and a war with Iran quite possible.

Why did Trump and Flynn feel the need to do this now?

There is an awful lot already on the foreign policy plate of the new president after only two weeks, as pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine are firing artillery again, and North Korea’s nuclear missile threat, which, unlike Iran’s, is real, has yet to be addressed.

High among the reasons that many supported Trump was his understanding that George W. Bush blundered horribly in launching an unprovoked and unnecessary war on Iraq.

Along with the 15-year war in Afghanistan and our wars in Libya, Syria and Yemen, our 21st-century U.S. Mideast wars have cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of dead. And they have produced a harvest of hatred of America that was exploited by al-Qaida and ISIS to recruit jihadists to murder and massacre Westerners.

Osama’s bin Laden’s greatest achievement was not to bring down the twin towers and kill 3,000 Americans, but to goad America into plunging headlong into the Middle East, a reckless and ruinous adventure that ended her post-Cold War global primacy.

Unlike the other candidates, Trump seemed to recognize this.

It was thought he would disengage us from these wars, not rattle a saber at an Iran that is three times the size of Iraq and has as its primary weapons supplier and partner Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

When Barack Obama drew his red line against Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons in Syria’s civil war, and Assad appeared to cross it, Obama discovered that his countrymen wanted no part of the war that his military action might bring on.

President Obama backed down — in humiliation.

Neither the Ayatollah Khamenei nor Trump appears to be in a mood to back away, especially now that the president has made the threat public.

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Shameless self bump.

Can you complete the following sequence of Trump words and actions? Two examples given, basic 14D chess skills required.

Words: Israel is our greatest ally!
Actions: Don't mention Jews in Holohoax tweet.

Words: We move our Embassy to Jerusalem!
Actions: Not necessary at the moment.

Words: We put Iran on notice!
Actions: ???

Interesting, seems this is also a potential reason Trump is replacing Flynn.

Making unprovoked threats to Iran while Trump is forced to backup his staff. Having Flynn starting shit with Iran as soon as he was appointed probably set off some red flags and made Trump try to find any excuse he could to get rid of that piece of shit.

Flynn wasn't a piece of shit, he was redpilled on pizzagate and deep-state fuckery in the election. It just might be a net gain to have him gone because war with Iran would be the ultimate Israeli win.

Wasnt aware he was redpilled on pizzagate. Guess he wasnt so bad i guess. Deep state fuckery would have been obvious to anyone tho

Yeah losing Flynn was a real drag, but if he would've gotten us into shit with Iran through incompetence I hate to say it but I'm glad he's gone. We'll see how McMasters handles it, he's a more convention General so maybe he's even more of a ZOGbot.

This is soviet levels of double think

Iran will likely be the misadventure the destroys the burger empire

Not surprising. If war breaks out, America is facing an enemy considerably tougher than Iraq, since it didn't have decades of sanctions. And. assuming America wins, what then? Occupation? Cos that went so well in Iraq.

If conflict does break out, it better be the equivalent of a beat-up-the-other-guy-and-just-leave-him-there scenario. A show of force if nothing else.

Besides, America cannot afford to get entangled in Iran, not when potential conflict with China is just around the corner.

Burger empire is already falling, we're just hoping it falls with grace under Trump.

We're being forced to threaten Iran for the sake of Israel and also the Saudi's because Iran is backing the Yemeni war. If US doesnt get involved, the saudis may fall and there goes the petrodollar too. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Just found something interesting, the Neo Con plans for Iran:

WHICH PATH TO PERSIA?
Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran

web.archive.org/web/20160212145621/http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2009/6/iran strategy/06_iran_strategy.pdf

Said PDF has since been taken off the Brookings Institution webpage… Gee I wonder why…

I'm inclined to believe this user has it right. Trump has said a lot of fluff to appease the ZOG and their evangelical lackeys. He's basically reading their playbook back to them, while not actually making any plays. With the amount of division and pushback he's getting internally – the senate stalling, the courts halting his orders, Soros- and Obongo-funded leftist groups rioting, the lugenpresse, etc. – it's clear he doesn't want to fight a multi-front war on his home terf. He needs the neo-cohens as temporary allies while he settles in the seat of power and takes care of things domestically.

If and when Trump actually takes action in Iran, then we have a problem. Until then saber rattling is just that, and Trump has used provocations countless times as a negotiating tactic or a smokescreen when career politicians wouldn't dare do the same. And it's always worked out for him. I for one am not worried.

War with Iran would be way more difficult than Iraq, not just because of economics. Iran is a logistical nightmare. The country is filled with mountains, deserts, and would be packed with suicide bombers.
Such a war would seriously disrupt oil trade in the Persian Gulf. This would devestate the global economy, especially the Chinese. Chinese officials have stated that they would go to war over this. Russia also has a strategic partnership with Iran, and would likely be involved.
So a war with Iran under Trump is pretty unlikely, as he and his advisors are aware of these issues. My guess is that the rhetoric towards Iran was inteded as a compromise. In return, the Trump administration expected to move forward on Russia. This may still be in the works, but given the Flynn scandal and the "natural death" of the Russian ambassador to the UN, not so sure.

Tougher than Vietnam, possibly 3rd Reich tier, but this time around with Russia against you instead of an ally. What can possibly go wrong?

Russia is the weakest its been geopolitically in 300 years. If you dont the the US would anally rape the fuck out of them you are delusional.

I don't really care about America's "empire" because it's not like the 1800s when the government was creating lebensraum in a new White country by getting rid of the natives and buying huge tracts of land. Now it's about creating puppet governments in foreign countries that let Jewish corporations exploit their resources. This necessitates military force to back that up, which means shekels for the Jewish military-industrial complex.

Meanwhile, back home, the currency keeps inflating, nobody's gotten a raise since the 70s, they keep importing shitskins from the far corners of the globe and giving them free shit, and now it takes half a month's pay just for rent while the rest is for utilities, gas, and insurance. And if you don't like that your life is going to shit while the Jews keep getting more powerful, then it's "Oy vey goyim why can't you be more tolerant?"

None of this adventurism benefits us in any way.

Genuine question for all our newcomer Holla Forums anons, who have been tirelessly championing and campaigning for Le God Emperor…
While you have been astroturfing these boards insisting no one dares criticise said Le Emperor and getting IDs banned for demonstrating his obvious odious neo-con zionist links etc

Why don;t any of you harrangue and spam his mail inbox with actual Red-Pills?
You know things about USS Liberty
9/11 was not Saudis as Le Emperor states
How war with Iran isn't in our interests
Information about how the FED has hijacked the US gov etc
Neo-con warz create bigger refugee crisis than not fighting isreals warZ etc

I know you all like posting frog pictures and telling everyone how "you're" now in the whitehouse on this board and elsewhere on MSM

Why not start trying to educate you God Emperor where he has clearly gone wrong
i.e. everywhere involving zionist neo-con kikery, like his entire cabinet.

Just a thought, that way at least all the sincere anons here won't just be spamming frog pictures to their own already converted echo chambers and their wisdom can be spread to those who most need to the Red Pills.

Perhaps you guys could help shift the OyVeyton window a little more correctly NatSoc direction than the OyVeyton window being shoved into the direction of ZoG that it has


Like I said earlier, it's just a thought.

It's 7D chess. Trump knows Arabia is a false friend but can't openly attack them. He stirs a war with Iran then withdraws military assets from the region. Arabia gets wiped off the map.

We're not going to war with Iran Neocucks.

Thanks CTR! Good one!

He might've had the red pill, but he sure sucks at using it.
The White House isn't Holla Forums. Both of them require completely different discretion levels.

CTR

Do CTR comprehensively demonstrate how the US goverment is jam packed to the gills with genocidal neo-con zionists?

If you weren;t jewish you'd not my point and act accordingly.

Why don't you poorly disguised hasbara ever suggest in Red Pilling Le Emperor?
Surely now you've won, now is the time to flood his inbox with detailed presentable lists of facts about the hostile alien element destroying America and by extension the West

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Sounds good to me

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A very good suggestion.

Fucking hope so.

We owe $20 trillion dollars. To only way to pay the bankers back is by stealing resources from another country. Iran is that country.

I really REALLY hope they don't make it so:

War with RUSSIA for Israel or war with IRAN to annex it for Israel.

I DO support a war against ISRAEL though!

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Why not just kill the bankers?

That's what Hitler and Napoleon tried.

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DAILY REMINDER

NO MATTER HOW JUSTIFIED IT SEEMS, CONFLICT WITH IRAN SPELLS DOOM FOR THE US

IF WE GO TO WAR FOR ISRAEL AGAIN, THIS IS THE SIGN AMERICA IS DOOMED

Better to attack Iran than be attacked by Russia or China for not paying up.

With what, canoes and rafts?

Perhaps?

We won't have to wait and see to form an opinion since McMaster is on record saying that Iran should be taken out.

See his speech on geopolitical strategy
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He doesn't strike me as a zogbot, but he's the sort of person that makes me glad that civilians are in charge of the military.

Eh, wrong link
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IF THESE FUCKING KIKES AND (((SAUDIS))) PUT US IN ANOTHER PUSSY FOOTING WAR aka conflict, IM BECOMING A NEET, FUCK BEING A WAGE SLAVE FOR THESE ENDS.
unless of course we go in with balls of steel and glass them.

It looks like a cheap bottle rocket. Even SpaceX CGI would be an improvement.

Needs some memes stenciled on the side.

I'm find it incredibly laughable that those idiots (you know the ones) cry constantly about American or Western values but then have this utterly insane support for Saudi Arabia without question. The Saudis had a hand in 9/11 where Iran had the largest memorial in the world to grieve for dead Americans. Iran was in the process of becoming a modern country but idiots no better than terrorists bombed the hell out of it until they ran into radical Islam which is still less radical than the ones Saudis subscribe to. It's utterly insane, more American lives and money wasted. How many trillions will be spent on a war with Iran? This won't be like all the past wars there, which have already shown to have amounted to nothing.

Not really. Trump's been cucking for Israel in words since the start of his candidacy, and so far he's humiliated the kikes quite thoroughly. The problem is, of course, that neither he nor the kikes can say what they mean since that would defy appearances firmly rooted in decades of propaganda.

Watch what he does, not what he says. Flynn did fly, after all. Which makes me wonder, , do you think it's possible this is why he got kicked out (if he got kicked out)?

And will make Great Israel plan a reality in our life time, if unleashes a/escalates into a Total War that destabilizes ME completely and helps to destroy the remaining "old" Super Powers, it goes well for (((them))). A New World Order would rise from the ashes.

What are the likely repercussions once Iran does get nuclear weapons? Are they a threat to anyone outside of Israel?
It seems like the biggest concern is Israel panicking and doing one if its famous preemptive attacks instead of Iran actually doing anything.

Unfortunately Pat is bluepilled on 9-11 and other stuff (Reagan for example), which ruins his analysis.

You're an idiot

Please enlightenment about the invincible nation with an economy smaller then the neatherlands.

It wouldn't only be Russia, dumbass. And "the economy" is irrelevant in total war because it is looking worthless markers like GDP. Russia's resources and productive capacity are great.

I suppose you mean to produce millions of tanks planes rifles vehicles and billions of rounds of ammunition as well as supplies to fund a fighting force that would have to number in the millions with vodka and snow.
Russia has no naval fleet to speak of and to compare its maratine capabilities to the US is laughable.
Your also implying that the US would be fighting alone how many countries do you think we could round up? Germany, Japan, The UK, australia, new zealand the entire western world would be on team USA.
How many soldiers in Russias army are conscripts?
How many of the federal republics in Russia are looking for independence?
Russia hasnt been pushed this far back into it heartland in hundreads of years they no longer have Finland the Baltics or the Ukraine. All important buffer states.
Bricks nations might be getting eager and anxious for a day they could challenge the US but that day isnt today. Russia china and Iran would still get completely fucked up.

All of America's expensive toys are operated by monkeys.

Implying Russian and chinease soldiers are not some of the worst in the history of the world. Both have some of the shittiest kill ratios ever and have relied on swarming with numbers.

Going into war with Iran is literally pushing the Middle East into total chaos. The United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain would be totally destroyed. The whole world economy will be thrown in the trash, these countries are where most of the world's money goes. Investment funds, banks, insurance companies, etc.

If Trump is forced to do this one day, it is important that he make it clear: we have done all this for Israel. We entered into war with Iran over Israel. Our senators, deputies, and military pressed hard. Republicans and Democrats. Our government did not want to do this, this was never our option but they would completely disable the government, they would take me out of power until they put another president who agreed to enter this war.

There will be no greater redpill than this, it's literally the "Option Samson" Trump policy.

They will be fighting this time to prevent jews from niggerfying their race too. And they won't be going up against a band of white brothers fighting for family, freedom and God. They will be going up against niggers who chose the military over jail and mexico first spics. There won't be any D-Day miracles this time around.

We need a coming clash with all of the kikes so they die and are all dead

If we go to war with Iran it's WW3 plain and simple. The whole world is fucked.

Israel is fucking insane and has the Samson option so they basically have a declared policy of preemptive nuclear war if any of their enemies get nukes. And Iran is testing MIRVs, which usually are designed for everything but "conventional" warheads.

Only move that works in the middle east is outing the joos for having weapons and convincing Iran to disarm if Israel does

If god emperor is feeling particularly vicious he always has the ammo of 9/11 truth, fukushima truth (fuckin Magna BSP), Epstein kiddy fucking blackmail, and the federal reserve to dump.

Bibi needs to tread carefully because the information war is Trumps weapon (because basically everything is a (((scheme))))

Explain how? China can't do shit RUssia can barely maintain what it is doing in Ukraine and Syria. Seriously there is no evidence that either China or Russia could seriously do anything except throw nukes at america which would spell doom for them as well.

Well, that's not a bad suggestion actually.

The jews moved nukes into our American cities in the decades before 9/11 because port security was lax. Now that the nukes are in American cities with the button in Tel Aviv, any president we have will do whatever Israel tells him to do, unless (or until) we can diffuse that threat. For now, the jews have us in check.

No war with iran.
Stop war
send all of the muslims back to middle east
I will fucking personally pay for one person to go.
Literally will put the money where mouth is.
We should meme this

Actions: Stalling to switch the official Oil Partner from SA to Iran by playing 88D Realpolitik edition Chess (appealing to Saudi Arabia) and simultaneously doing a coup in Iran by placing a new (non-Jewish) Shah.

Is that what they really teach in Tel Aviv schools? If it ever came to that, those that would be pushing the button would be among the first people leaving Israel.

Flynn was a millitary man, trying to apply millitary solutions to spiritual and political problems.

Not that I really disagree or anything but the BRICS are a fucking joke which started off as a Goldman Sachs ploy. Literally.

It'd be worth it

OY VEY
Who's ready do die for Israel?

Iran could win over the Saudis at least if they just positioned themselves and told the truth to the whole Islamic world, they they work together with the great evilsrael to and have murdered hundreds of thousands to millions of their fellow mudslimes and that Iran is the right one for them to choose. Suddenly everything in the sandbox annihilates each other from Saudis to Israelis to Iran and we're done. Peace on earth.

If I am drafted to fight for ZOG / Israel, I will wait until I'm boots on the ground in the Middle East and go AWOL, head towards Israel and start massacring kikes left and right.

I'll start in synagogues, after a service I'll sneak in and assassinate the rabbis. Then I'll hit daycare centres.

My bet is Trump goes with the Chapter 5 option, Leave it to Bibi, but he will end up not helping Israel at all if Iran declares war on them.

Listen here you stupid fucking faggot bitch.
If USA attacks Iran, its WW3.

You fat fucking faggots aren't invincible. Your hubris will be your downfall.

You are literally a retarded fucking nigger. You think because you fucked a bunch of literal goat fuckers in Iraq and Afghanistan that you're invincible, and that war is like COD.

Fucking faggot.

Iran is a proud nation of 70 million people with 50% of the population under 30 years of age. They are smart and resourceful people, and attacking them is guaranteed in a regional war, that might turn into a world war.

Nobody predicted world war 2 when Hitler was expanding into the Rhineland/Austria/Czechia. If Iran is attacked, the entire region of the world from Egypt to Pakistan will be on fire. Iran is a very important supplier of oil to many eastern powers and the war will go global.

China and Russia are permanent members of the UN security council. France and UK will not back kike lover Trump in his war of aggression against a sovereign nation.

Attack Iran, get fucked, and possibly lose your country.

I intend to do the same thing, FBI. Also that is an ill conceived plan since you would have to hike through 300+ miles infested with snackbar sandniggers to reach Israel and there would be a wall + mines + machine guns on their border, if you wanna play harmless nonviolent pranks on the Jews you have to plan a little more carefully than that.

I think Trump wants to go to war. The fucking shabbos goy is going to fuck you all.

What gives? If he was a shabbos goy he wouldn't talk to Russia because of how they shut down (((the tribe's))) plan for greater Israel. Is he just naive when it comes to foreign policy or is this some sort of grand strategy I'm missing? Why doesn't he just go the full monty and ban every african and middle-eastern nation's immigration for "instabilty"? That way the Iranians don't feel like they're being singled out for extermination.

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Fuck Saudi Arabia, they are the ones that fund terrorism, that export jihadists wahabists, that have the greater problem with human rights violations. They supplied the manpower for 9/11. Why are the kikes trying to force us to fight the enemies of the Saudis? I'm fucking livid.
I need a hug.

stfu faggot.

Trump is too chickenshit to tell the Trans faggots to go fuck themselves and that he doesn't have time for their bullshit.

Have you watched the last 3 press briefings? Fucking CUNT reporters have been harping about

Spicer is like

Instead of coming out and saying that "trans" children are being ABUSED by kikes and lesbian "parents".

Fuck you. Fuck your 77D chess playing shabbos goy president who suddenly swallowed his balls because of

You're right user, I should have been #withher. I'm so sorry.

fuck off nigger.

Sweet digits satan, but you're pretty ornery tonight. Jamal taking over your wife for the evening?