Why is it that communist countries tend to have terrible living and working conditions...

Why is it that communist countries tend to have terrible living and working conditions? For example if you ask anyone who lived in a communist country they'll tell you that it was shite.

Genuinely curious as to what you guys think

stoped reading right there

Why are you asking if you're certainly not interested in the answer?

Then whatever the fuck you people call the USSR, The People's Republic of China, DRPK, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc.

Huh, really makes me think…

The thing is that I am.

Why are you responding if you have no intention to answer?

Better?

Socialist European countries.
All better average living standards than muricans

Not really. You're still using anecdotal evidence of supposed anecdotal evidence, which makes this a very badly formed tertiary question/b8 thread.

Do you know anything about the Russian civil war? The country wasn't exactly fine and dandy when the soviets took power, for one example. BUT much later on the soviets had actually established a better standard of living than any country on the periphery today (third world)
The soviets went from being poorer than most of the world to bring a world superpower in a generation.
It wasn't democratic though, so it's not really workers controlling the means of production AKA socialism. But it does demonstrate central planning can run a functioning economy. Even if a decent portion of that production is of commodities to sell on the market for money (also not really socialism)

Which countries are you referring to?


Well I'm afraid I don't exactly have access to any hard data. Here, I'll make the question even better. What decent resources do you have about what life was like in socialist states so that we can draw an accurate comparison between life in capitalist and socialist nations?

Socialism

Runaway State Capitalism

Borderline Fascism

Capitalism

Which one are we talking about?

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Good one comr8

It's still socialist, it's just not Marxist. You can make the argument it misses the point of socialism by incorporating markets(which I agree with) but the means of production are still owned collectively.


Because Marxism-Leninism was an unmitigated failure, and those are the only "communist countries" people can think of. There haven't been very many "socialist" countries.

Would you say that living standards in China have gotten better or worse as it has adopted more capitalist policies over time?

What made it an unmitigated failure? Would you say it was because of the internal conflicts from ML theory or the more circumstantial external conflicts

Both.

Chile's living standard increased when digital went big because they have a shit ton of copper. Funny enough, their Iron and copper industries are nationalized. Pinochet was shit and there was no growth under him, it only started when he was arrested.

This question presupposes that "Capitalist policies" were the only factor in China's development.

Read that as "Chile". Mao was horrible but the communist party doubled the lifespan and industrialized lots of China. Yes, their State Capitalism has been a success for everyone but the people of China.

Well,the living and working conditions were always shit here,even before Communism.
The difference is,that during communism those conditions skyrocketed and made my country what it is now.

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So what trends in China's living conditions can be attributed to changes in policy, if any?

Funny, my parents and grandparents preferred it heavily to post-breakup liberal democracy. It was far from perfect, but that which replaced it was even worse. Trouble with employment, no more reliable state services such as education and medical aid, etc. cuz everything was privatized.

Too late to meme friend

Depends on the country. With most examples adoption of socialism typically results in rapid industrialization, huge increases in literacy and lifespan, and food security (with obvious notable examples). The average citizen in the USSR for example after WW2 would have had a decent standard of living, even if it wasn't quite up to what they had in the West. Yugoslavia was an exception to that rule, and didn't even have emigration restrictions like other socialist countries did.


Depends on who you ask. Basically every old fart in ex-Yugoslavia and East Germany is nostalgic for the days of socialism, and the communist party is the second largest party in Russia.

Most eastern bloc countries and yugoslavia had good living standards on par with those of western countries untill the regimes felland capitalists rushed through the dismantling process as fast as they could so that the people wouldn't notice that the nationalized products went into to the hands of the rich few instead of the commoners who had built it. In other cases such as venezuela it's because shit was shit was awful before and still awful but slightly better after. China is fully capitalist and has ben so far quite some time but the living standard improved quite a lot there despite Maos retarded ideas about killing sparrows and other shit.

No, the complete opposite is mostly true, a lot of people are nostalgic for the soviet regime.