Summer Is Coming

I'm honestly more worried by the people screaming "summerfag" at the drop of a hat than the actual summer users.

Fuck me, that's completely right. Does a lot to explain why the board feels the same at all hours. Years ago on halfchan there were more frequent distinct shifts, but it all feels homogenized aside from sleeping hours now. Or maybe I'm just fucking loony.

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Holla Forums has been steadily worn down by faggotry since day one, but it has recently started to spill out to other boards as well.

Fuck, where do we fucking go after this.
I don't even need the fucking internet anymore and how sad of a statement that is.

Whatever.

I'm on to you, Mister Wilson. Put a choc in it, youold geezer.

Nice blog post.

Interesting threads are slow. Too many people respond to bait. Some OC. A lot of hype training.

Can't get worse right? Just filter dumbfucks. Sage shit threads.

You don't really have much of a choice these days.

If you try to suggest another chan or imageboard, you will…

They won't ban you will they?

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Holla Forums? they were always here, and in fact they were the original settlers, they just didn't want to talk politics here, this was like their vacation board to discuss stuff outside their grim board
If you meant the literal stormfag kiddies who invaded them, then yes, those guys are mad crazy, and the mods drank their kool aid
These stormkids bring their topics wherever they are and stain threads with long rants that don't even touch topic
But no, Holla Forums wasn't always like that and their mojo was always here, denying that is denying cold hard history seen by the septemberfags roaming around here

Ah, glad you pointed that last thing, seeing the catalog is amazing and we can see the decay of this board, back in the day threads were derailed much less but that wasn't the problem, they went to another related topic or just some funposting
These days it's only about shitposting (not the same thing at all) to derail and kill the thread using obsolete techniques that mods are not familiar with or dont give a fuck, no priority to stay on topic or dicuss the matters at hand, massive memespouting with no context, general shit opinions as in not explaining the idea or just baiting people, along with not fucking discussing at all, vague things being killed right off the bat without even throwing shit at it
The general populace has grown to be jaded as fuck, inflammatory post lovers and complete nihilists when making post in terms of not giving a single fuck about quality, hell even post quality has become sort of a joke/buzzword for those shit-grin posters
We weren't like that, and it was not even in the rules, it was just our normal behaviour to care, but we grew too lax and didnt take care but neither did the mods or the jewish literal mentally ill BO

What would make me leave is seeing less than a quarter of the catalog being "sane", and seeing more than half of the catalogue with threads under 15 posts
We are close, but not quite

Take a rest, partner

I don't think the quality of Holla Forums as it is will change at all due to summer. It's already as bad as it can be, and has been so since december 2014.

It's not so much the act of saging as witnessing people's reactions to it that is incredibly telling.

Fuck you nigger faggot.

Glad I can still say that here.

I feel sorry for the users that used Holla Forums BEFORE the exodus. I wonder what that was like.

Don't shitposters want anons to respond to him in order for him to derail the thread? If nobody responds to the shitposter by filtering him, then the thread won't get derailed.

It was probably very comfy, and we ruined that.

Some shitposters, yes. Some might just be bitter anons who want to vent and don't care what people respond to it with.

I'll leave it up to their judgement.

Also, seeing what happened to Holla Forums is depressing. Back on September that was practically my main board, but now I hardly use it because of the amount of shitposters and lack of any discussion.

That's true, too. Unfortunately it seems like its either steady decrease in discussion or the site shutting down

I used to think that, but those guys were/are:
Complete cunts who also shitposted more than the east coast of Australia without any reason
Were here before us by mere weeks and never did anything of importance in terms of discussion, they just spammed porn and raided comment sections

Pre-Winter 2014 was heaven, the textbook fantasy that oldfags told us back in Holla Forums around 2007-08
It was indeed ruined completely

Yes, you are correct when talking about 1 or 2 shitpostes in a big thread, but when there's 10 shitposters and 5 normal users, then it's about a shit flinging contest, throwing rocks while also pretending to be offended
The thrill of the fast posting action and complete lack of responsibility is an addiction to many teenagers, i know, i was one like many in Holla Forums

I was never a fan of doing that, I've always enjoyed the feesly comfy threads with other anons like the 4am thread.
pic tangentially related.

Summer doesn't exist. Holla Forums is always bad and you people just want a reason to blame instead of your low effort posts.

On what I said, this can be seen for example in threads where you don't get a shitposter and tons of people biting the bait, but where you have say, a shitpost by a different id every few posts, scattered through the thread. It's not one user derailing, but the actions of the many who consciously shitpost lower the quality of the thread and drive off anyone who comes in and sees that no real discussion is being had. You don't need to have (you)'s to ruin a thread with shitposting.

But how will you deal with Rugga-tier shitposters who will spam the catalog or shit in your threads?

Even though I've been noticing mentions of Holla Forums lately on Holla Forums ('Go back to Holla Forums' or a thread made by a hit and run OP with a pol mindset like that Trump vidya thread to instigate D&C), I agree that it is pretty sad.

Probably not. Even if it did we still have reddit which is much worse.

Yeah, I see your point. Filtering is good for one, maybe two shitposters, but is ineffectual when you have multiple shitposters. Rule 8 should be more strictly enforced, however doing so will cause more shitposting of "MODS BANNED ME FOR DISAGREEING", so either way we lose.

Yeah, I noticed that too, especially in BF1 threads. They're probably mostly shitposters since everybody on this website knows what happens when you post "go back to Holla Forums".

I notice more people complaining about summer posts than I do the supposed summer posts. It's always just struck me as Holla Forums going hormonal and on the rag for 2-3 months and having something new for the pack of blue-name (1) vultures to swoop down and blame the board's quality on, like shills or board sliding or whatever else they don't like at that particular moment.

Thinking out loud here, but a Beano cast would be god-tier for a Persona game.

GET!!!

I did, but it was part of the imageboard learning, you cannot become a decent poster without going/being hellraiser
Holla Forums was the basic school for everyone in every board, made all posters thick-skinned and made the OC posters realize cheap shit wasn't going to get them any good comments or "prestige", as in personal feelings under the Anonymous tag
As cancerous it was, i think it helped make many great posters and some balls big in terms of arguments

That's nice, kid

Exactly, but many do it for sheer amusement and/or know fully well what they are doing
I'm not a fan of post history being seen by mods but if they can do it already then they should rightfully ban this filth

Summer doesn't change the amount of people on an imageboard, it just changes how many of them are shitposting and pretending to be idiots.

Rule 8 is untrustworthy on principle. This is an anonymous imageboard, and only the volunteers have the power to see your entire post history. While that first off defeats the purpose of being anonymous, it also places the judge jury and executioner power in the hands of the moderators. You have to give complete trust to them that they made the right decision and banned someone because they were being honest about rule 8. You can't see the post history, so you will never know if that user was innocent or not. And then you have the situation like where Mark posted some faggots post history.

You tried.

summer snuck up on me this year, just last week I was running all the heating in my home…

I forgot to mention on my previous post that on dealing with Rugga-tier shitposters

But yeah, considering the state 8ch is in, its quite a miracle some continue to hang out here (I admit this myself)

you don't improve your experience concentrating on shitposters. there's loads of content and good things. if you constantly whinge about the decline you make it real.

go look at something truly awful, like reddit or 4/v/, come back, appreciate the good we have

That's hilarious, because at some points we are just like 4chan
Yes, i haven't visited that hellhole since the exodus but while doing some shit for a thread i had to check references, and i was amazed at how shit it was and how similar we were suffering (i dont think they "suffer" from it)
I went there, came back and felt a minimal difference. That's how bad it was, you cannot appreciate a dry apple when you had a fucking tree of them days before

Not him, but this place is actually pretty good as far as post quality goes.
8ch/b/ had a huge decline 1-2 years ago because they just flat out don't moderate the shitposts.
Compared to Holla Forums, this board is doing alright. There's discussion being had, and threads usually have some type of meaning or purpose.

Here's the typical Holla Forums schedule.

The only difference is that in summer, it's not just auscucks and eurocucks shitposting in the morning, and the kids stay up a little bit later. The shitpost ratio remains the same.

instead of complaining about the dry apples, water the tree.

can't get any worse
this site went to shit when jewsh and hotdud raped it with post errors

It won't be any worse than the influx of redditors and 4channers we've been seeing these past couple of months. It'll be like a drop of piss in an ocean of piss.
calamity james was best beano strip

But what about when 8/v/ is compared to 4/v/ ?

And i don't mean traffic wise

I have a sneaky suspicion that the same threads that pop-up there do so here as well with a few days difference just enough to avoid the most observing fags to take notice

Not even. We frequently get template threads cross-posted within ~2 minutes of one another.

The only difference is we're slower and have slightly less shit hotpockets.

The fact that I've seen LOL threads as a nonstop daily here shows me that we're no better than halfcuck. That shit isn't vidya, never has been, and the posters in them know it full well and they don't care.

I water it, but there's too many pajeets and birds shitting on it
And not the good kind of shit that makes a tree grow
So kindly accept my argument, i water it, but 10 poollute it, so i get angry when i remember before those poopitrators there was a bunch of people who also watered it and a farmer who kicked a pajeet when he saw it

I can't talk about it, left one back in 2008 so i wouldn't know
But this line is a stark reflection of our situation
Just like here, and yes, post quality is good in many posters, but they are a minority, a big post minority in a sea of useless, childish dubs, smug anime girls with no text and 9inchgag-tier bait posts
If you truly believe our post qualiy is acceptable, not in context because come on now we have no competition, then we have problems
It is abysmal compared to Pre-Winter 2014, and dare i say Cuckchan's Holla Forums around early 2007
Damn i've been in these kind of things for almost a decade, maybe time did reach me

b-b-but my board culture don't you want to be
>>>/bwithvideogames/
:^)

oh no, some people like shit games and keep to their own shit game threads, how horrifying.

also you're completely full of shit. the only league thread in the catalog is complaining about it.

I'm no talking about league of legends, you fucking idiot.

autism

no shit.

Holla Forums - Holla Forums with video games has been forever summer since last January or so.

Fuck you're dense. I'm talking about LOL threads, you god damn imbecile.

oh. i should sleep.
LOL threads are a shitpost anode.

ready for season 2?

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What happened to meta monday?

The only guys who got banned were the ones who kept fucking shilling endchan, you can mention it now without being banned as long as you're not spamming it everywhere.
There's 8ch.pl, but it runs on the same code as 8ch, so it's literally the same site with different owners.

I wouldn't worry about it. The post quality on this board is already so low, it couldn't possible make a difference.

brb drinking bleach

but seriously, summer is already here. However it should be intetesting since codemonkey is working on a few things

Mark, post your mutilated Yiddish penis.

too much bullshit and not enough getting shit done.

I'm not even worried about summer anymore. How much worse can this place get?

Holla Forums is already fucking cancer.

take a look at cuck/v/

You have shit taste in anime.

Just ban 4am threads. It's not our fault you don't do shit.

I'm flacid though.

when errect it should be around 6 inches to 6.64 inches. when i last compared it with my HTC ONE M8

It would have run a lot smoother if you weren't responding to genuine complaints with shitposts all the time.

yes I do.

Just climb in an oven.

Just touch yourself for a few seconds then, it's not fucking rocket science.

kaz, I'm already a jew.

>>>/vcollins/

dropped

It was before he turned into an absolute grade-a nigger.
I mean, he was a sellout at that point, but he wasn't at the point of banning shit he didn't like.

Nice self-fulfilling prophecy, moot 2.0.

Congratulations on proving his point.

The kike is just a BO, though. He has no actual power over the rest of the site.
Hotwheels is who you'd want to call "Moot 2.0", but he doesn't even do anything other than get high off his ass all day and shitpost on Twitter.

Good point, although at least Fire Tires keeps his shitposting out of my sight.

it's not a shitpost, it's the god damn truth. I'm not banning X thing because you don't like it. I already set the base of Holla Forums back in October of 2014. I'll continue to stick by my personal code. when i founded this Holla Forums i had a few things in mind like embracing community interaction, not banning vidya content and allowing vidya related content such as VNs, DBZ and Warhammer 40k. If this bothers you for any reason then i emplore you to create a board like /svidya/ where anons could talk amongst each other in a stricter envioronment and longer bans. Just know that you need to have a team, and you need to have a strong will.

So where do 4am threads fit into this

Believe it or not, I actually don't have a direct problem with how you moderate shit, but a serious problem is that the moderation team is so inconstant.
If you post unspoiled porn, some mods will just spoil it while others will delete the post and ban you.

it falls under community interaction, the same reason we have Draw Threads and Webm threads.

>*inconsistent

So if we're to have daily threads about TV shows that's totally fine on the video game board because it's community interaction?

That's not my point nigger. My point is that a lot of posts in those threads had genuine criticism and you just ignored them to sperg out at the faggots who wanted to ban undertale. You're retarded if you think every complaint was about banning shit I don't like.

I sure remember all the >mfw Platinum will never, EVER make a KLK game threads
I guess that same principle doesn't apply to politics threads barely related to videogames

I've noticed the inconsistencies, but I believe the team does a good job. like we have guidelines and such, but some of the mods prefer to do things differently and I believe diverse ideals are important when it comes to hotpocketing image boards. and its usually not a major difference so I let it slide.

No. The most cancerous thing about summer is the people claiming over and over it's a thing.

Those are protected because of personal bias. Politics threads are not vidya and all should be deleted on sight.

which ones?

Sup Mark, I had some abusive piece of shit ban me and delete everything I wrote in a thread last week because they couldn't win an argument. They resorted to claiming I was samefagging and used that as the excuse for banning. Do you know who did this and are you planning on doing anything about them?

I sure hope you are, because this is literally the exact sort of petty bullshit I used to expect out of halfchan mods on Holla Forums.

Being that 8ch has had no real fucking archive for 9 months now this is the best you're going to get for proof:

archive.is/opUIl

nope, thats what the 4am thread is for.

I don't have a case folder of complaints that I've catalogued for the past 2 years if that's what you think, but if you want some food for thought, try the fact that eceleb threads and template threads will stay up until they hit the post limit despite the rules against them. They should either be banned when the report comes through, or the rules shouldn't be there.

are you new?

The 4am threads (and to a lesser extent drawing and webms) constitute the entirety of the "community interaction" category?
Convenient. It's almost as though "community interaction" is a bullshit reason to maintain the status quo without having to provide an actual defense of a daily threads that's not even tertiary.

I've noticed that shitposting threads aren't deleted, they are only bumplocked.

we bumplock most of them.

The nightmare is now and forever
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

the shitpost du jour

Well the status quo works, people like it this way. I'm not gonna go full hotpockets, there's no need for it. if we do ANYTHING against the 4am thread, it'll be a bumplock at most.

10 minutes, while still rather pathetic, is a little different than 10 minutes + deleting all 40+ posts full of content and discussion that you've written in a thread over the course of a day.

I literally have seen and been on the receiving end of shitheads on halfchan banning people before for saying bad things about Steam and Valve or for "trolling" when a mod can't handle the truth of your argument. This is no different. I thought we were supposed to be better than them.

And I'm about five of six years less new than Mark.

Half/v/ was cancer and welcomed shitposting as well, why aren't you- oh wait, that's what's happening here.

Take a poll and I guarantee the people disgusted with the sort of circlejerking avatarfaggotry in 4am outnumber the 4am forum posters.
Which is why there was need for a meta Monday in the first place right? To applause the status quo?

That's not what I've noticed, but like I said I don't have any screencaps on hand.

i need the content of the 40+ posts and theres the possibility that he actually WAS samefaging. which if that was the case, then i see no issue with what was done.

thanks to Treehouse and Amiibos fucking over any possibility of Nintendo being seen as the savior of videogames, Sony's poor launch strategy, Valve being massive jews, and Microsoft being Microsoft, consolewarfaggotry is at an all time low
Instead we are united in our hatred against SJWs, except some people now see this as an opportunity to convert us to their own needs

No you hothead, you earned that 8 minute time-out to cool the fuck down. Don't start shitposting and samefagging, and then complain somebody makes you sit in the faggot cage after everyone got tired of your shit.
I don't know the full story, but it looks like you could have had a reasonable discussion until you fucked it up somewhere along the way.

Isn't there some sort of ban log you can look at to see the posts delete at that time in the archived thread? I don't get banned too often so I don't pay a lot of attention to this stuff.

And no, I wasn't fucking samefagging. There just happened to be another user who agreed with one of the things I was arguing.

And either way, "no samefagging" isn't a board rule. Either make it one or own up to this bullshit.

so you have issues with the current status quo? Those issues being that people are talking about things you don't like, right? that the board has less than 5% of fun threads, right? Well that's not a good enough reason to drastically change the status quo when its does a good job in every other regard. Sorry that Holla Forums isn't your personal circlejerk. there's always endchan.

no, but not acting like a massive disruptive retard is

I was actually very calm and rational in that thread until I was censored by a little bitch who couldn't handle being wrong.

How about you prove that I did, shithead.

Rule 8

The fucking irony to respond with this to someone complaining about 4am.

Good thing I wasn't doing that then. I'll tell you who was however: the faggot trying to kill the discussion we were having outright by resorting to samefag attacks when he couldn't win it.

Which I didn't break and says nothing about samefaggotry.

why do you only mention that thread?

you broke Rule 8 and deserved your 10 minute ban for derailing the thread.

The current status quo is to promote shitposting i.e. "Holla Forums culture" excuse for your cancer. Of course I don't like it that people are making random/politics threads on the video game board. Of course I'm upset that I come here and I see a multitude of threads that say otherwise about the boards topic.

According to who? The jackass in charge? Of course you want to keep the status quo, you're a self admitted Holla Forums newfag since you became B.O. here, you fucking piece of shit.

Prove it.

Because that's the only thread that's egregiously out of place, and constantly so. I get that not every thread is going to be 100% video games 100% of the time. I participate in off topic discussions myself. The problem is threads (namely 4am) being created constantly and consistently whose purpose is not even tangentially related to video games whatsoever. Consequently it has spawned a cesspool of insufferable faggots exhibiting behaviors that are in direct opposition to the spirit of an anonymous image board. We should be discouraging that sort of behavior on that ground alone, but the fact that the threads are being made with the purpose to discuss just about everything but video games is reason enough should you not agree with the 4am forum posters exhibiting anti-imageboard mentalities and behaviors.
Should I be complaining about more threads?

I'll pose the rhetorical question explicitly since the reason abusive mods without accountability is a problem seems to escape you, Mark:

Why should anyone want to post here when at any given time they could be be arguing something with a volunteer, and that volunteer could make up some bullshit excuse to delete censor their discussion when they're too lazy to think up a decent rebuttal? Who would want to argue about anything in that atmosphere? Let's just make Holla Forums a shitty hugbox full of feel-good lists and uncritical appraisals.

so basically you're upset that we allow 5 threads dedicated to not vidya, correct? why not use the filter function instead of acting like an idiot?

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Any bets that you and/or I get banned shortly?

After that encounter last week I've been describing I really don't expect anything anymore.

Which is exactly why everybody complains about it all the time?

You told him to kill himself and he hasn't banned you yet, so I don't think he's planning to soon.

it is only five

TPP threads
4am threads
webm threads
Draw Threads
and argubally LOL threads which is just a Web Comic thread.

your evidence says otherwise
from personal experience, mods don't just ban you for making one-off posts like just calling the thread shit, so you really must've been on a shitposting/derailment spree beforehand
the reason why I do not believe this shit is because nearly every fucking time someone complains about being unfairly banned (for a short span of time) is because they were indeed shitposting, but are too oblivious to consider how their posts might be considered disruptive
there are some changes I'd like to see in the moderation of Holla Forums, but fags like you I do not understand. It's been like two weeks since then, and you're still on a personal fucking vendetta against the mods for some one-off thread where everyone was laughing at you and because you were banned for a measly 8 minutes. Shit nigger, why don't you just move on? It's like trying to find out where someone lives after they called you a nerd. You're asking me to prove your samefagging when you can't even prove otherwise, aside from nearly everyone in the thread pointing it out. Besides, if the mods were really banning anyone if they were losing an argument, don't you think there'd be more people like you?

you're a fucking idiot if you think you're getting banned for this. If I were to ban you then I already would've done so. regardless I'm done with your mental gymnastics. So good night fag.

what changes would you like to see?

Now read the post that was a response to.

Tell me who was really derailing that thread: The person arguing about the very subject of the thread or the person starting a "s-s-samefag!" tangent?

A clearer distinction between political and videogame threads
It's no secret that more 'politically sensitive' threads tend to derail into why all lefties must die or why Hitler dindu nuffin, but I don't think that can be helped without delving into hotpocketeering territory
But I do think that at the very least when someone makes a thread like 'how would Trump fix videogames' where OP clearly has no intention of actually discussing videogames, they can be bumplocked (perhaps they already do)

That, and when two faggots start arguing about something, and the discussion just devolves into trying to get the last word. I guess you can say they will stop eventually, but it does tend to drag the quality of the thread down. I'd just give them both a 5-minute ban and tell them to stop arguing like little kids. Perhaps they'll learn from it too.

Both?

Once again peddling misinformation about /svidya/ I see. What you're describing hasn't been the case since a new board owner took over something like 9 months ago now. /svidya/ actually has less rules than this place now and the BO has mentioned before that they dislike long bans. You sure are insecure as hell about a tiny alternative board that just wants to talk about fucking video games.

Going to bed now but I just want to say thanks for letting me down yet again Mark. You're a real credit to 8ch.

Summer is real. It doesn't necessarily mean more traffic though. It usually means more time at the hands of school kids and immarture university students. On top of that comes the usual drought. There are not many releases during summer.

Other Reoccuring threads are 4AM, webm and Gamergays and 3 Generals for popular games. You are also full of shit. These are usually about Vidya webcomics.

Good that you are here! Any thoughts about >>>/cow/199468
I think this is covered very well under 8. Enacting something similar for both sides that boils down to "Please contain your Spaghetti." could be useful.

I think that is the solution to the Problem user complained about here. If politspergs spill Spaghetti, they have to go out for a while. I know that we are in the middle of a culture war and I do know that leftist tend become more neurotic when a economic crash and a reformation are hanging around on the front lawn. This doesn't mean we have to be autistic assholes about politically sensitive topics.

Community interaction / vidya culture. #Janiteam already had this topic but without you.

Can you please control your autism and consider that Mark's information may be outdated as fuck? He is right however. A strict board needs a large team to deal with it. cuck/a/ used to have the attention of one dedicated global and 4 Jannies assisting him. /vg/ had 2 people doing it for free 24/7. Even that dedication could clean all of the crap there. Same ammount on cuck/vp/. You need at least 2 people at the helm and this is just the minimum. Holla Forums on 4chan halfway got its shit together when there were 7 Jannies hammering it. Keep in mind that it amassed a lot of garbage from 20010 to 2012 and had to serve as valve for Rugga Smalls' IRC crew who also had opened shop on /a/ by the time the Janiteamlogs start.

And as far as "community interaction" please address this since Mark seems incapable of doing so.

Just ban all obvious Holla Forumsshit until the election is over. Including derail attempts. You know exactly what I'm talking about and making the right call should be easy. This has nothing to do with banning shit one user doesn't like, it's shit that doesn't belong here and is making the board unusable. I'm pretty sure you can tell a thread about let's say, vidya censorship apart from shit that nobody wants.
Fags who openly hate vidya and only come here to seek converts to their autism shouldn't be welcome on a vidya board. Doesn't matter if they're really retarded or just pretending, the effect is the same.
If you aren't sure what the problem is, explains it.
If you want examples of the kind of garbage that has to go, just look in the report queue or try lurking for longer than 10 minutes a day.
Just fucking try it, there's very little left to lose at this point.

Never denied it, Holla Forums used to be okay.

4 AM is this place's equivialent of >>>/late/ and serves the purpose of having one big bonfire on the board when all the insomaniac fags take a pause from playing their latest game. End of Story. Tell me when it is full of furryporn again or when some politsperg abuses it for talking about Ayyyliens and the Holocaust. If you find evidence that the 4 AM threads stop serving that purpose you can then call again. This sounds like you don't like the face of the Anons posting in there.

The get of the golden past meets the get of a grim, dark future.

What's wrong about using a 4am thread to talk about aliens and the holocaust? Isn't that just as off-topic as the normal circlejerking or is that particular breed of forum bullshit the entire purpose of "community interaction?"
Also why could they not congregate at /late/ every 4am? Why must Holla Forums play host to such consistently off topic threads? Does it make the board stronger? Do the majority of the users like it this way? Surely these two questions are relevant to the topic of community interaction.

Now your are grasping for straws. What I meant by this is politsperging up the ass about something that shouldn't be the center of the thread. Remember: Its a meet up point for insomaniac faggots to talk about video games and some other shit on the side.

You still haven't explained how that reinforces community interaction any more than talking about the holocaust.

I just returned to see what mods, jannies and disgruntled users had to say
This place is a fast-track to 2013 Burchan's Holla Forums
a-at least the m-mods aren't SJW