Peak idpol

Okay Holla Forums, in light of SJWs going apeshit over Gigi Hadid's appropriation of dreads at NYFW I must ask: who are more oppressed - Palestinians or blacks?

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First Nations.

I'm half-black and Half- Palestinian. Guess I've won the oppression olympics.

The proletariat.

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n1x is a tumblrina and will know who has more oppression points.

The global proletariat.

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who the hell is GiGi haydids?

Who?

I'm glad I don't watch tv, don't listen to radio, don't use twitter, don't read the Guardian or any other tabloid like the Daily Mail and I'm glad I blacklist cancerous celeb channels with youtube+.

Why do you guys put yourself through such self-flagellation? Don't look, just turn away, put the mouse down.

Tumblr has gone after her before.
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Did you just appropriate the language of my people? Everytime a white man speaks Arabic it reinforces imperialism.

Palestinian-American supermodel.

do black idpol retards hate arabs wearing dreads now too?

In some Arab countries, "black" is synonymous with "slave".

even so how does that make crying about hairstyles some girl who is more than likely a generic liberal reasonable at all?

My point is, tumblr will no doubt go into civil war about whether or not Arabs appropriating black culture (or garments seen as part of "black culture") is okay or not.

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oh yeah that sounds like something they'd kill each other over kek

B-b-b-but it's NOT class it's RACE you white sinner.

the working class

White people do look fucking stupid with dreads though

Forgot to take off your bait flag?
You can be oppressed in more ways than one, and you can be muh privileged in one way and disadvantaged in another. A black person born into a rich family has it better off than a poor white worker, but a poor black worker has it worse off than him.

Of all idpol issues, "cultural appropriation" is probably the dumbest (and most crypto-fascist) of all.

That oppression olympics crap is divisive nonsense.

It's nationalism, which is where many leftist movement across the globe are headed anyway. It's only in the west where you see calls for "proletarian internationalism". Elsewhere, the leftist trends are heavily racialist, nationalist, or religious-based.

Take the Zapatistas: everyone loves to paint them as anarcho-syndicalists when in reality they're indigenists first, libertarian socialists second. Or the Kurds: it should be obvious to anyone that their primary objective is Kurdish nationalism with some elements of Bookchin or Marx thrown in as an afterthought.

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don't forget that the CCP was concerned first by national revolution against Japan and the class struggle second because the imperialist contradictions between Japan and china were greater than those between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat

so the Kurdish national revolution is by no means necessarily opposing class struggle.

THE PROLETARIAT MASSES

Yes, and there are reasons why some vulgar Trotskyists and anarchists will denounce the Chinese Revolution as a "bourgeois revolution with the red flag".

Kurds are much more nationalist than Marxist or anarchist/libertarian socialist at this point. In fact, most nationalist movements which claimed to be ideological socialists stopped claiming to be so once they could no longer get free guns from the Soviets (IRA being one example, various Palestinian groups being others).

Internationally we don't see much internationalism from anti-imperialist states outside of regional alliances: pan-Islamism, pan-Africanism, Bolivarianism, Eurasianism, etc. In no way is a national consciousness an automatic prerequisite for a proletarian or socialist consciousness, or even an internationalist or multicultural consciousness. Take the Arab World for example. In the middle of the 20th century you had pan-Arabism, whereby ethnic minorities in Arab states were subjugated to chauvinism (especially Mizrahi Jews; let's not forget that most Mizrahim weren't Zionists until they were effectively driven out of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, and Morocco when pan-Arabism was starting to become a thing). Now that secular pan-Arabism has been effectively replaced by pan-Islamism, you see religious minorities in the Arab World being subjugated to the same kind of chauvinisms albeit in a different form. But the point remains: Sunni Arab supremacy reins supreme.

It's useful. In order to create a fairer society, you must identify and then disassemble these structures.
I'm not saying that one type of oppression supersedes another, a black worker and a white worker should still work together to disassemble their own oppressor, but this will be much more difficult if one of the workers thinks less of the other because of their race. I'm a socialist, but I would never bother joining a socialist organization that thinks less me because of my sex or race. I agree that identity politics is used by liberals to distract from class struggle, but regardless of how divisive you think it is, you can never just "see past identity politics" when that identity is used against you by society.

I feel like you're creating a false dichotomy. As if one can reject identity politics as the same is accepting racism and sexism. Racism and sexism are idpol. To be against idpol is to be against intersectionality crap and to be against right wing bigotry. If an organization is being hostile towards minorities it's engaging in idpol crap that's also divisive.

A few months back when that guy got attacked for "its muh culture" I stopped washing my hair as a science experiment.

I have dreads now.

I'm white and Anglo as fuck. Hair naturally dreads if you don't wash it. I would go as far to say that all cultures had dreads at one point. There are also a shitload of African cultures which shave their heads.

Shits retarded

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The Kurdish are under attack from ISIS, Turkey and Syria and there is the threat of Russia and the USA if they decide to become socialist.

The contradiction between the oppressive countries and the oppressed country here is much much greater than the contradiction between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat in Kurdistan. It is no time to have revolution and civil war when you are the victims of genocide by ISIS and Syria as well as total victims to Turkey's oppressive military exercises.

Also the most important thing to note is that if Kurdistan had their socialist revolution now, the USA would withdraw all its support and Kurdistan would become completely crushed.

Once again anarchists prove their utopianism.

This. I can't stand the leftist cult centered around some nationalist groups on the basis that they ostensibly incorporated Marxist-Leninist talk into their rhetoric. Ultimately what all nationalist groups desire is "national unity", regardless or even at the expense of class struggle if necessary.

I think it is useful to recognise that nationalism is playing some sort of a role in contemporary left struggles. Some leftists do support nationalism but only in the third world.

And? The Spanish Anarchists were attacked from all sides and yet they established anarchism in Barcelona and the Catalan countryside.

The fact that the Kurds are willingly taking weapons and aid from the US and Israel should be a giant red flag (kek) to anti-imperialists. Israel wants Kurdistan as an ally because they want another ally in a region where most nations are hostile towards it, and because the Kurds are sitting on top of a very nice piece of property which has lost of water and oil. I'd argue Israel is very smart in this regard.


Yes, not to mention the IRA used to have factions which were far more left-wing than the Kurds, yet all of that fizzled once the USSR broke up and the Ra could no longer rely on them for weapons and support. A real tragedy if you ask me.


This describes Noam Chomsky's position perfectly: nationalism, religion, proletarian dictatorships, and violent revolution are good for them, but not for us.

Recognizing various forms of oppression isn't something unique to postmodernism or intersectionality theory though.

This thread is more Holla Forums than the one that got bumplocked just now.

No. We're literally discussing left-wing nationalism.

That's an oxymoron and you know it.

Not really.

Didn't bother to read further.

It's basically Korean Stalinism.

Holla Forums's falling user base perfectly represents the real world Holla Forums, which is these sub-human SJWs. This board is nearly dead. So is the spread of Leftism in the real world. Finally society can begin to progress again. Down with Leftist authoritarians. Genocidal, oppressive filth!

"Socialism in One Country" and the USSR turning WW2 into the "Great Patriotic War" can also be quantified under this

The no true leftists ITT will be salted as usual though.

Even Pan-Islamism has a socialist bent. See: Gaddafi.

Look at it this way: black people in AmeriKKKa pay taxes which fund imperialist US foreign policy, a part of which is $$$ to Israel which is used to slaughter Palestinians. So, I don't see the moral equivalence for a Palestinian girl to appropriate blackness vs. a white girl doing the same.

With that said, Gigi's modeling career fuels imperialism too because it furthers westerners' desire for cheap clothing, which is always made in sweatshops in the Third World.

So, there is no innocent party here.

I've noticed most SJWs grow out of it by the time they're 32.

Das it mang.

So much this.

Most Palestinian organizations with the exception of the PFLP were never socialists either.