Daily reminder that modern capitalism's only logical conclusion is a form of socialism/communism. If you still support capitalism as if it's the only alternative to the socialist welfare gibstate, you are completely fucking retarded and should consider a form of painful suicide immediately. You are no better than the Antifa.
NatSoc economy with a fascist government is the only way to prosper post-WW1. Anything else is playing directly into the kike's hands. Don't be a kike-enabler. Stop supporting capitalism.
Most of 8/pol/ hates usury, immigration and globalism. 4cucks though is filled with lots of lolbergs for you to make fun of.
Nathan Allen
before the Marxists took over or destroyed all their competition there used to be competing thoughts on socialism. most of them would have nothing to do with marxist communism.
Nicholas Hughes
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Christian Anderson
Semen.
Nathan Campbell
Yes, don't question capitalism goy, it's been working just fine for your people, goy…
Ignoring your shill tactics since I've probably been here years longer than you have, I do see users unironically supporting free-market capitalism here.
Fantastic reading comprehension skills, nigger. I said capitalism's logical conclusion was a form of communism.
Levi Edwards
JIDF is rumbled.
Brayden Lopez
Keep shilling for capitalism, schlomo. Maybe if you do it enough we'll all be able to peacefully live out our lives as docile wageslaves while the Jewish ruling class finalizes our genocide.
Ryder Rivera
REported.
Jose Perez
stop it, chaim
Jordan Adams
capitalism communism socialism
explain to me why i'm "completely fucking retarded" again
Tyler Cruz
Bump for butthurt capitalists and commies.
Ayden Wright
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Kevin Richardson
don't stop trying though, i believe in you
oh you!
Jaxon Miller
SUCK MY FUCKING COCK YOU COMMIE FAGGOT HANG ALL SOCIALISTS SHOOT ALL SOCIALISTS CAPITALISM'S "PROBLEMS" ARE CAUSED BY GOVERNMENT CURRENCY MANIPULATION DENATIONALIZE CURRENCY AND FACE TO PROSPERITY DENATIONALIZE CURRENCY AND FACE TO PROSPERITY DENATIONALIZE CURRENCY AND FACE TO PROSPERITY
Luke Nelson
Wrong.
Gavin Powell
Don't confuse modern capitalism (where we are right now) with what was once a truly voluntary free-market capitalist society alongside a government that was borderline-fascist.
Look at who rules now in these capitalist-socialist societies. Kikes make up over half of the 1% of wealth owners. If you both 1) on Holla Forums and 2) redpilled, then this should be a no-brainer for you.
It's time for something new.
Caleb Turner
Fuck off republicuck. Capitalism and America are both garbage.
Jonathan Brown
NatSoc is just an extreme that I believe would be more prosperous than our current systems. If you think we can actually get our hyper-Orwellian, super-technological government's hands out of the economy and/or the currency, that's on you. I just don't see that ever happening.
Evan Ortiz
both are failures and so are you
it should come as no surprise to you that both i, and virtually everyone else on Holla Forums, has problems with our current system.
but it's not the fault of the underlying economic policies or the system of government. the flaw is in subversion, propaganda – a controlled media, a dumbed down population. corruption.
it's time for you to get a fucking job
Anthony Sanders
Why is that shit on your computer. You kikes truly are disgusting people
Camden Flores
you sound like one of those betas who talk shit about better men instead of trying to improve themselves
Hudson Wood
You seem almost ready to take the redpill but you still ultimately want to support kike capitalists and their free-market white genocide system. So close, user. So close.
Christopher Lopez
READ AND UNDERSTAND
Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf
Noah Brown
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Justin Long
Holla Forums really sucks at false flags. I can false flag their board all day and make it appear realistic because I actually understand the left, their theory, and their motivations. The left never understands us though.
Nicholas Butler
All that requires government monopoly on currency. If people can choose their own currencies, then government bullshit money becomes valueless, because government doesn't actually produce anything.
Oliver Davis
Natsoc is a form of capitalism with minor discrepancies - namely the capital system. We need to look into whether they were correct in asserting that getting rid of interest solves the problem. I think it's more complex than that and "inflation" is always ringing in my ears when I think about Feder's manifesto.
We need to decide if getting rid of interest will work.
Alexander Brooks
You sound like a retarded cuckservative who has no understanding of political theory and thinks the political spectrum is just left/right.
Jackson Butler
We have corporatism, leftycunt. In case some confused newfriend is reading the thread: Corporatism means capitalism with state intervention. Natural order of things. Making every company whether small or big an organ of a working nation. Companies will work along with the nation. So far in the world kikes are a seperate entity, unless they intervene, because of democracy. Capitalism pushes the "free market" meme that gets jews to do whatever they want to do without any opposition whatsoever. Corporatism will free us, and the world around us. The kikes will step down because they're toxic. They won't abuse any foreign workers working in sweatshops in shitholistan, they won't make more degenerate porn, they won't fund terrorists within our nation or outside. Every citizen will help themselves in our own countries. If they don't, we will intervene, for the sake of our people. Because we are one organ. (if we are one race, that is.) Oh, and the reason it is called corporatism, is because it comes from "Corpora", meaning body. That is because as i said, nation, and the companies will be one body, with fascist doctorine in mind to make the world a better place for all other citizens. It's a quite quick shitpost of an explanation, you'd have to read more about corporatism, and read mussolini's "doctorine of fascism". Hitler used same methods, but i don't remember any writings on the subject from ns germany. That is why you will always find anticapitalist stuff in hitler's writings.
Adrian Powell
your particular brand of "redpill" is just fetishizing nazis and ignoring any faults they may have had.
the problems present in WW2 and in pre-nazi germany are not perfectly represented in modern-day america. they're barely applicable, if at all. what happened to the nazis gives us a great lesson, it teaches us a lot about various world actors, but it doesn't give us a solution; the nazis failed.
meanwhile, over the sea, america prospered. we should look toward past success for examples of what to do now, not past failures.
Juan White
Nothing wrong with free-market capitalism as long as it's within a healthy nation state. inb4 muh if you're not a socialist then you're a libertardian!!!. yawn.
Jace Russell
Outlawing usury is a form of genocide, according to the jews.
Jackson Kelly
explain
Adrian Moore
lol no.read about prussian socialism,kike.
Thomas Morris
Power and institutions are easily corrupted. That's why it's in the interest of the average citizen of the public to rely on government as little as possible and ensure individuals are as strong as possible.
Isaiah Ramirez
THIRD POSITION: THE ECONOMIC MODEL OF FASCISM
Parker Collins
I agree with you OP 100%, but this thread is shit.
Samuel Bell
You don't get it. Debt makes business players overcome their barriers of entry. You need debt. Otherwise you only have the non financial impulses of the person to overcome those barriers.
Is acceleration the answer? Or should we go better?
Charles Davis
What about a centralized accelerated system?
Christopher Campbell
it hurts to listen
Jacob Stewart
Don't forget about the global (((Freemason))) system that still controls of the interests of every country in the world. Whatever transitioning you're envisioning is going to be far more complex and violent than we can currently understand, assuming it is actually underway.
(checked) I'm going to go with a solid yes.
The National Socialists made plenty of errors (just addressing your first sentence). We are very similar to pre-Reich Germany, and studying NatSoc is a very good use of your time. You shouldn't obsess about them, but to ignore them because the kikes decided to end their Reich and spread anti-Nazi propaganda is just playing into their hands. The Jews hate the Nazis because they created a system that fucked over Jewish methods of control. That should be something we all look to, even today, since that problem clearly hasn't gone away.
Austin Ortiz
It really is. (((Someone))) didn't want to see this thread actually turn into a good one.
Mason Cooper
Socialism is just modified capitalism. The problem is choking the tree with pruning or letting it become overgrown.
Capitalism is a far more fluid concept than you think. There are always checks on it in some form, the issue is where. A communist system where no currency is used wouldn't be capitalism. But when currency is used there is always a degree of private control of the means of production.
That's why socialism is just "capitalism light". A heavy system would have very little government, if not no government. But at that stage the "private entities" become the states in essence.
Robert Cooper
capitalism is a by product of a constitutional government that allows individuals to form and create free business associations with compensation for expended time.
Jacob Barnes
LOL
Luke Gomez
freemasonry is a world-wide nepotic club. people in it get preferential treatment to those outside of it, and the only catch is that you have to pay a monthly fee.
they don't control the government. not even the government controls the government. it's so big, it doesn't know what the hell it's doing. they might be able to get you hired at burger king, though.
agreed, but you're overplaying the role that jews play in world problems. it's easy to say that they're the source of all evil but that's not true. there are *many* actors in the world acting against us. the jews are only one of them. they were a bigger threat to germany than they are to the us.
Leo Brooks
I'm just here to learn more about NatSoc. I'm more of a Corporatist/Centrist type, but I think National Socialism is right up my alley.
Charles Morales
Loaning out money doesn't require you to charge interest.
Jace Gonzalez
socialism is socialism is socialism obama was a socialist. and national socialism killed more germans in the resulting war than anything.
Cameron Lewis
see
I'm saying the lines are blurring for me as I think about the concept memetically. How it has come to be, who is involved within the concept.
Cameron Powell
I've read some shit.
Samuel Hall
You sound so vague about what our other enemies are. Please, why don't you make a list of our non-jewish enemies and tell us what they do exactly.
John Morgan
You mises retards never fail to crack me up
Gavin Ward
Imagine being this controlled by Jewish propaganda. Kike-controlled capitalist America genocided the Germans alongside communist Russia. NatSoc gave the Germans a prosperous enough economy to consider re-uniting the Aryan peoples, which the kikes would not allow. Welcome to reality.
Hudson Brooks
Let me just quit my job, sell my house and cars, give all my money away, and go live under a bridge. Just send me a carrier pigeon or some smoke signals when the revolution starts.
Gavin Hughes
his mentor bill aires is a socialist or do only you get to decide who 'is socialist'?
who gives a damn if jews organized it? the end result was the same =dead germans.
Connor Cox
Gas yourself FMIDF
You are a faggot.
Nicholas Cruz
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Luis Rivera
Charging interest stimulates the giving out of loans though. The more loans, the fewer barriers of entry, the more business propping up everywhere.
The issue is that the loans are given while they take capital in the form of government bonds, etc. Those bonds don't get the interest like the bank loans. That's the issue.
Another issue is when the banks start to loan to each other and the interest begins to creep up. Eventually all repayments they receive goes back into repaying loans to other banks. Then a pool of stagnant interest repayments is created. That means the money is not being used for it's intended purpose - producing.
I guess that's why it's a pseudo-ponzi scheme. Only no one is earning money except that pool of interest payments.
Ryder Davis
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Brody James
Reported.
Colton Ortiz
THEN SHOW SOME FUCKING PROOF
Kevin Nelson
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Dominic Cruz
SOCIALISM IS SOCIALISM IS SOCIALISM its like saying "no no no guy I'm telling you marlboro light really is healthier!" most of the issues with todays system came from the federal reserve consolidating wealth and not from capitalism
David Barnes
I'm unsure of what you're advocating. Are you asserting that the private sector should be phased out and that business should all be under direct government control or what? Stricter limitations over what citizens are allowed to buy? What is it you think should be done away with or implemented?
Jordan Cruz
gas yourself IMMEDIATELY
Dylan Baker
in your mind dead germans is a good thing right?
Jeremiah Allen
Please make me laugh some more, next you'll tell me how Clinton is a socialist too because she wrote her thesis on Alinsky.
Austin Wood
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Mason Thomas
Top tier post user.
Zachary Parker
tell me why karl marx was obsessed with socialism?
Kevin Ward
Tell me why you're not fellating a shotgun?
Dylan Moore
Please just kill yourself
Zachary Wright
i'll keep it as basic as possible, in case any non-shills are confused: Capitalism: Socialism: Corporatism (fascism):
Jack Gonzalez
Why do you blame the National Socialist ideology for destroying Germany (when actual historical records prove otherwise) rather than the outcome of the war itself? If Germany had won I have no doubt there would have been a 1000 Year Reich, their only mistake was losing the war, not being National Socialists.
Tyler Evans
Resorting to petty strawman arguments now, kike? You're the ones arguing in favor for Jewish control systems.
Imagine being this controlled by Jewish propaganda.
Kike-controlled capitalist America genocided the Germans alongside communist Russia. NatSoc gave the Germans a prosperous enough economy to consider re-uniting the Aryan peoples, which the kikes would not allow.
Welcome to reality.
Ayden Green
He was a marxist socialist not a prussian socialist you cunt.
Gavin Morris
Pst. There's a NatSoc General in the catalog. I'm not linking it because it's in good shape and I don't want all the lolbertardians and ancap fags to shit it up.
Jason Wood
Thanks!
Justin Thomas
leave it to Evola to ramble on without a real ending point
Colton Nguyen
Seems like a D&C thread but can anyone recommend books on NatSoc economic and financial theory.
Dominic Gomez
wrong
Isaac Barnes
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Jace Gutierrez
That image is dangerous. There are degrees of control of those sectors. They can be tethered dogs OR dogs taken to a park to be tethered/let off the leash. It needs almost an algorithmic restraint and freedom pattern.
Ethan Roberts
Why do some people call nordic countries "socialist",they seem like welfare capitalism that has nothing to do with natsoc or communism.
Zachary Walker
It's not a free market if it's State regulated
Logan Moore
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Jordan Williams
(checked) This
Gas yourself, OP. Capitalism is ORGANIC, it EVOLVED with man, same as spiritual and social hierarchy. The problem is that we did away with the last two, hence being the biggest swindler gets you into the ruling class. That's why some people will swing.
Jacob Clark
That's a non-issue, sure the (((economy))) won't grow as fast but that's the price of order and virtue. Instead of recklessly loaning state insured money, we'd see investment and grants into growing the nation rather than expanding the cancerous usury sector of the economy.
Christian Allen
Good. :^)
Sebastian Roberts
Leave.
Jonathan Reed
Capitalism is degenerate and materialist.
Ayden Ramirez
Because they're retards like the guy ITT who thinks King Nigger is a commie.
That's exactly what it is
Leo Scott
Will we be fast enough to meet the allocative requirements? That requires constant monitoring and constant distribution of the labor from a central source. You would need a literal all seeing eye.
Daniel Bailey
Corporatism isn't Fascism, pleb
Leo Campbell
I'm not going to lie, I enjoy debating them from time to time. It never fails that Holla Forums gets dubs and trips in every thread and their arguments are often destroyed. Even more so many of their board's followers are easily redpilled when you produce logic. Sure there are cuckold faggots that won't listen but some of them actually do and tell you that your arguments make sense if not outright agree with you.
Julian Myers
people love socialism until one day the cold muzzle is pressed on the back of their head.
Charles Diaz
Stopped reading right here that's classic (((marxist))) historical "analysis"
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Aaron Lewis
It's misleading in how it represents state control of those sectors. The reality is that the state could choke those sectors or loosely lead those sectors.
Anthony Young
That's what i thought.but did scandi countries used to be socialist during the cold war? Also king nigger is a cultural commie and a economic capitalist.the worst of two worlds.
Mason Powell
Capitalism is shit though. National socialism is the only system that isn't Jewish, and that works for Europeans.
Jacob Evans
I want you to go research the dominant religion/race in every capitalist's country's 1%.
Then, come back to me.
Charles Rogers
yeah that is the current reality but it wasn't always so
Ian Ward
It was bait, but it lead to good discussion.
Hudson Miller
dodally nod from lefdy\bol\ guise :-DDDDD
Nolan Watson
I can't remember the talk, but Rothbard said basically the same thing. That he and Marx have similar ends just different means.
Ayden Robinson
Oh good. Yet another internet-trained economist has come to share the dark enlightenment about free silver.
If you're going to play economics on the internet, I encourage you to learn the difference between capitalism and free markets.
Free markets are trading systems in which goods and services may be traded with minimal to no state (or church, or mafia, or whatever) interference. Labor is sold to employers at whatever rate the market will bear, and outputs command whatever prices they can fetch.
Capitalism is a system of collective ownership of the means of production, in which multiple parties agree to distribute risk among themselves in order to partake in potential profits.
The great advantage of a free market is the easy way it connects supply to demand. In principle, a commodity will be produced as long as people want it, as expressed by their willingness to part with money for it. When the amount of imaginary value consumers will part with drops below the amount of imaginary value it takes to produce the commodity, production of the unpopular commodity slows or stops. The great disadvantage of a free market is instability and the ease of corruption. If all of the wheat and corn farmers in a country, for example, agree to fix prices, then the "free" market has nothing to say and no correction to offer. The result is an otherwise avoidable famine. Another distortion is caused by (((advertising))), which induces consumers to pay more than they otherwise would for products by adding imaginary value to it – think brand name medicine versus generic, which might be half the price despite an identical formula.
The great advantage of capitalism is that it spreads risk among those who can take it, and that it provides liquidity for quick startups and rapid growth. In theory, anyone with a good idea can raise thousands, millions, or billions of dollars very quickly and get started with a new economic behemoth. The disadvantage is that capitalism concentrates a great deal of wealth close to the top because of compounded interest and economies of scale. This distorts economic activity and drives inflation as more and more capital (money; imaginary wealth; coupons we use to trade with) flows upward into unproductive pigeonholes. Give a poor man $100, and he will instantly stimulate the local economy with grocery shopping for the kids. Give a rich man ten times as much money, and he'll lose it in the couch for a month before dropping it in the Bahamas to "earn" 3.5%.
Both capitalism and free markets are knocking on the door of the right ideas. Capital must flow to where it does the most good, after all, and supply ha to be connected with demand. But neither is a self-contained, or even a self-consistent approach to the needs of production and consumption. And that's not even starting a discussion of perverse incentives or the tragedy of the commons, both of which flow from individuals behaving rationally over the short term, only to royally fuck over society in the long.
National Socialism addresses both of these systems by imposing a strict set of political controls over both. Wages must not dip too low – not because of market forces, but because a certain minimum is in the interest of the Volk community – and certain resources, such as oil or productive fisheries, must be preserved – not for profits, but because the people have a natural right to enjoy the fruits of their native land.
In essence, therefore, NatSoc – which may be authoritarian or democratic – introduces a second kind of currency to the calculations. That currency is the common good, rather than kike coupons alone. This ONE weird trick uncucks economies (Jews HATE it)!
Lucas Diaz
I believe there is a balance of pragmatism and flexibility needed in our society to fulfill the aesthetic needs of the people living within it.
Eli Murphy
Pick one. Socialism = the means of production are controlled by the state. As always, there is no substance to your theory besides your system = jews, degereracy, my system = perfect. You don't even know the difference between socialism and "social democracies". Read a book. Also, stop conflating the free market with jews and bankers manipulating the economy though state economic-interventionism.
wtf I hate the free market now
Leo Myers
Oh look now the lefty/pol/ shill is pretending to anti semitic
Hunter Cox
The brains thinking, hush.
Joshua Morales
Not really, no, Soviets never really gained a solid foothold.
He's a neoliberal
Christopher King
I meant socialist but not in a "peoples republic" puppet state way. Neoliberal is the word i was looking for.
Ethan Thomas
Not necessarily, you fucking fool.
Workers may control the means of production through the state, which we have seen works very badly almost all the time, or they may form and run democratic co-ops. Your local grocery co-op or credit union is hardly "controlled by the state," but they are created and managed by workers and consumers.
You're on Holla Forums, normie. We have a somewhat higher standard than reddit, and you must lurk before you meet it.
Elijah Flores
"Everything would be peace, sweetness and light and everybody would live happily ever after. But first, all Communists must work to establish SOCIALISM."
Caleb Price
Forgot to add: Some swedes say postwar sweden when the socdems were in power used to be "natsoc lite" How true is this?
Easton Robinson
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Dominic Rivera
Uh, no. Communists must work to get that mass grave a few feet deeper. We don't want flies after they're buried.
Bentley Adams
Very true. The Swedish Foreign Minister told Bill Shirer during the war: "If the Germans win, we're Aryans. If the Allies, we're a democracy."
Tyler Thomas
that is a quote from karl marx "Communists must work to establish SOCIALISM."
Jose Russell
That's a very good sentence. It also creates inspiration for new ideas to sell. It seems to be an unconscious system that allocates materials - but with no limit, it reaches for whatever people want to pay for.
That might be misleading, it depends on what form that man has his worth. Is it just cash? Or is it in the capital of the industry? We're getting into pretty technical accounting memes here lads. wew
This threads getting pretty aesthetic tbh.
Jack Jackson
Was it authoritharian in some aspects? What "socialist" policies did they have?
Jordan Wilson
Don't know about that, unless they were against liberal democracy which i doubt. They're similar in that they both prefer regulated capitalism but even then, the degree at which this is done varies.
Name one government that didn't claim the best of intentions and give glowing promises for to its citizens.
Name one government that didn't become a mockery of what it purported to uphold and ultimately exploit and abuse its citizens either through bungling or when people with bad intentions took the reigns after "the enlightened philosopher kings" left.
THE ONLY MATERIALLY QUANTIFIABLE GOOD THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED FOR THE COMMON MAN IS LIBERTY AND FREE MARKETS
All "the ebil corporations" want is your money in exchange for goods and services that you want more than your money.
Sounds fucking saintly. Maybe that's why the demonic left and right wing socialists run their dogshit mouths so much. All they can produce is noise.
Robert Perez
These are the Internet's left wing equivalent of the 'right wing hate machine'? Holy fuck. If they look like this then we've already won.
David King
Those Co-ops you're talking about though, aren't they just small businesses that utilize benefits and membership privileges to compensate workers more so than actual pay. A business having a very socialized workforce dynamic doesn't imply socialism at a governing level, that's just how the individual business chooses to operate in a free market.
Justin Lee
Isn't bernie sanders a welfare capitalist and cultural marxist though?
Oliver Hill
Praise from Satan is praise indeed.
Sebastian Nelson
You have to go back
Nathan Adams
Right. And that is the problem.
Grayson Evans
I think you're confused on what usury is or what constitutes a loan, I'm not demanding the outlawing of money like a pinko commie faggot.
Aaron Nelson
Go away Mussolini
Jaxson Young
wat
Isaiah Roberts
Talk English you fucking fag
Christian Scott
I'll name five: Pharaonic Egypt, the Persian Empire, Rome under the monarchy, the Mongol Empire and Saudi Arabia today. Tickling the balls of the electorate is a modern fetish; learn to read, and then read a fucking book.
As for virtuous capitalism, remember that we wouldn't have a nigger problem today if there hadn't been money in breeding slaves. The common man had no say over that business decision, but Thomas Jefferson – whom you seem to admire – calculated that he made 10% annually off of slaves who bred one pickaninny per year. He was personally responsible for hundreds of nigger conceptions, and those have no doubt bred enough descendants to populate Detroit today.
A little NatSoc long-range planning would have been nice at the time, yeah?
Elijah Wood
Yes, a socdem to be precise. A funny thing to note is that most people (mainly the younger people) who supported Sanders, call his ideas socialist and point toward the nordic countries as examples of "socialism" working, yet there you had that politician from Denmark disputing that label. Most far leftists get irritated that their ideas are associated with nordic countries and Bernie style "socialism" which is why when you see those studies that say more than 50% of teenagers support socialism, those far leftists get pissed because they know what that really means.
Nathan Thompson
Which one is it, moron? Lassiez-faire capitalism hasn't existed since the dawn of the last century. To be honest, I think if we put the right anti-trust regulations, capitalism works just fine for white/European culture. I'd say we came close to making it ideal, but the Jews and FDR ruined everything and now we're here.
Oliver Ward
Fascism isn't corporatism, but corporatism comes with fascism
What do you have against il duce, mr. shillberg?
Hunter Robinson
Oy vey goyim! We need mass immigration because of da economy!! Da economeh is more important than anything goy! Muh shekels!
Aiden Walker
Do you know where you are?
Camden Lee
posting on red text to seem more important
And no, real libertarianism isn't some normie ideology. If anything, it's more fringe that natsoc. Because it actually requires some logic and reading, not just emotional reasoning, desire to be counter-culture, and the typical and stupid notion that the solution to everything is using gubbmint power to force society run how we think it should. You don't even realise that most of the things you hate are the responsibility of the state in the first place.
Gavin Bennett
Satan brings the colour to the order of god. The white light that becomes a rainbow when chaos becomes involved.
But also it's charm. It's like a motor neuron that reflexively responds to conditions and stimulus of it's environment.
I say maybe usury can be unlocked to create inspired ideas and lets people take risky ideas and explore the boundaries of what is possibly.
Tame that beast? Or let it out? The issue is the currency form, the system the banks use to give out those loans and the pockets those government bonds come from. What if tax was abolished in connection with the capital supply - but still payed for the armed services, legislative/administrative services, road building, etc.
Is that why the fed was separated from the government?
Anthony Taylor
How does a "real" libertarian society defend itself from a modern invading force?
Grayson Hall
Reminder they'd still be slaves if it wasn't for the fucking north. Curbing capitalism ruined everything. :^)
Joseph Roberts
It forms an armed militia.
Noah Richardson
Most of the things I hate are libertarians, and yes – you are the responsibility of the state. A big, loving, sloppy-kisses and bedtime story nanny tate is life support for the kind of retarded pseudokikes who think muh gubbmint is stealing from them every April 15 (though it's been my experience that most lolbergtarians file in January because they need their refund ASAP).
Listen, genius, I'll try to put this in small, easy-to-grasp words for you and the rest of your second grade class: The reason libertarianism does not work is because any accumulation of capital will eventually distort the market and become a de facto government itself. Governments are constituted among men to, among other things, regulate the evils of uncontrolled and uncontrollable wealth. Unless you'd like the Walton family to rule you with a rod of iron, I suggest you toss out your copy of Atlas Shrugged and go outside and play with the other kids. Maybe touch a boob someday.
Tyler Turner
That will come in handy against the People's Liberation Army.
Justin Carter
Capitalism mostly works a intended, it is only bad whn corporations are allowed to grow at expense of the state eiher by bypassing import laws, outsourcig to cheaper countries, hiring cheper migrants, or lobying orthei preered plitican wich are all things Trump inteds to stump National Capitalism is a baby step towards National Socialim.
Isaac Moore
Actually, it at least has the capital to spend on such an army. Hired mercenaries anyone?
Robert Russell
That's a fair point, but I doubt a primitive agrarian slave state would have been well-positioned for the 20th century. It takes more than niggers and whips to build bombing aircraft.
James Ross
Oh good. The PLA is short on cash. I guess they're not capable of throwing ten million armed slavebots at our colonial militia then. Good to know their tanks are made from popsicle sticks!
Jason Moore
It doesn't have any charm. It's niggertopia – the system.
Aiden Adams
So you actually believe a private armed militia can protect a nation from a modern invading force? Libertarians might actually be mentally retarded…
Benjamin James
What is an imperial cult and theocracy. What is the ultimate false promise of eternal favor in the afterlife. What is a book.
Promised rape and pillage and war booty and delivered. The Mongols were scarcely even a empire–they'd just ransack an area, demand tributes from it, and move on as though they weren't there. They pretty much just purely loved to rove and slaughter like an innocent babe.
Race differences are real but the hyper-retardation we see in the US is due to welfare.
Pic related is Barbados. It's 90% full-blooded Africans and it governs itself and functions well enough.
Daniel Wright
And they'd still be here. Their presence is the problem, not their status. Their presence gives rise to possibility of gradual or sudden changes in status. It isn't lost on the more intelligent members of the board that above all the capitalist desires their niggers to be present.
Gavin Myers
When people say communism doesn't work,they are wrong because communism was made by kikes so they can enslave,kill goyim and it does what it was meant to do.
Charles Hughes
It can't be repeated enough:
Robert Stewart
Good point. We need intelligent slaves.
The US defense force is by far the most powerful defense force on the planet because there is money to pay those soldiers AND pay for the equipment. Otherwise they'd rely on pure stimulation of the individuals to form a collective to produce that equipment, and that is far less likely to produce good weapons than a payed workforce. Basically, you have lots of soldiers in communism, but pathetic weaponry.
It already basically is private in that they are paid. The individuals collectively pull the funding into one neat package to supply that army and let them manage that budget. Instead of relying on individual mercenary armies per individual capitalist, or the capitalist themselves, they rely on collectively funding a more power militia and sustain the numbers either through themselves or through their peers.
Christopher Jones
Sorry OP but if I had a choice of ditching kikes or capitalism, I'd get rid of the kikes.
Sage for blatent Holla Forums
William Bell
National capitalism?
Tyler Allen
Monopolies are what ruins it.
Austin Young
Friendly reminder that National Socialist Germany supported the private ownership of the means of production
Liam Bell
As I said, all they did to change the capitalist system was provide stepladders and signs. Communism was fucking insane as a concept. You have to indoctrinate people to the point where they become completely docile to the state.
Blake Campbell
Of course yes.
Fascism economic theory is one of a DIRECTED economy, not a planned economy in the kinds of communism/socialism.. There is a diference.
Charles Adams
Minarchism, the state. Anarcho-capitalism, the role falls to private organisations to provide national defense.
Nice theory, though in practice it seems your scenario only happens when the state controls the economy to serve corporate interests to entrench wealth in the hands of the already-rich. Ever heard the term "power corrupts"? Oh but I get it, in your system, the government is run only by perfect, incorruptible and altruistic leaders who always serve common interests. What a perfect and infallible system, why didn't I think of that?
Logan Richardson
Found the kike.
Xavier Ross
You have corporatism backwards, m8. The state doesn't control or intervene the companies, the companies control the state.
Jacob Long
And you think that is a stable long-term option compared to a tax-funded government-run military, and could go head-to-head with one and win?
Sebastian Robinson
user.. You need money to get shit done. Otherwise you have 2 alternatives:
.. 2nd option would be either heaven or hell. It's already happening tbh. That's why we're here.
Thread theme.
Justin Allen
Lassiez-faire capitalism is garunteed to devolve into what we currently have now, like communism the system is designed to fail in the most painful way possible. There is no way to have capitalism without jews infiltrating banks and ruining everything, because the only way to prevent that would be practically equivalent to National Socialism.
Christian Kelly
So now that we've become completely disconnected from our national ethos, you want to continue with secular kike-controlled capitalism because… muh organic?
What?
Nolan Cruz
That's plutocracy.. unless no shareholder has a majority and everyone is a shareholder.
Andrew Garcia
I want a gamified capitalist state with socialist macrocosmic distribution of the labor. Make people live again. They're currently rotting away to their indulgences.
Levi Clark
Question: would revealing this to them counter the effect of the gamification?
Could we make us conscious of the world's gamification?
David Jones
You're confusing corporatism with corporatocracy
Nathaniel Adams
You don't see that as a long-term inevitability with such a materialistic society?
Jace Evans
I'd rather everyone LARPed tbh.
Ryan Ramirez
There's no reason why not, private national defence organisations would be little different than state-run militaries, the main difference being in that they are funded voluntarily rather than through taxes. They would still be equipped with modern weapons, and now arms competition is at play at an a national level.
Another thing to keep in mind, a heavily armed and completely decentralised population is a nightmare for any state to successful invade and take control over, even disregarding any nationally-organised defence.
Isaiah Sullivan
And here's where Holla Forums goes full-retard applying the "my specific form of socialism will save us all".
The pre-banking asshat capitalism of the US provided the largest growth of any modern industrious nation the world has ever seen. The problem is the central banks loaning out and debiting the government. Adding restrictions to businesses hinders competition which we desperately lack.
Anyway, this is probably a ruse but whatever.
Noah Ross
What even is "capitalism"?
The US was created as a white nationalist state with very harsh but minimal laws and and almost fascist governing body. I mean it was founded on "fuck the foreigner and fuck injuns especially". Tariffs on foreign goods was how it paid for itself.
Mercantilism, which is basically nationalist or fascist economics welded onto any system worked every single time it was implemented by whites. That will give you long term prosperity independent of spending.
Do we really need the Natsoc welfarism if we have a fascist government which runs on the principle of "if it isn't good for the empire and race then fuck it to death". I mean the whites in the US are prosperous even with everything stacked against them. And they are hostile toward non-violent communalism. I'm skeptical that they would accept Natsoc, but I know that rural America is ready for racialism and fascism. Hate and war are what they need rather than the policies which were tailored for Germany in the 30s. They are facing very different problems and are a different race with different proclivities.
Jose Garcia
And how pray tell, do you deal with the jews?
Julian Bell
Nope. NatSoc is unnecessary in America because of the prosperity created by its founding ideology.
Jaxon Sullivan
The establishment of the United States as a country lines up with the rise of modern industry period. It's not really as impressive a claim as you make it sound.
Ethan Sanders
this
everyone here thinks america will work like europe. america is a lot larger than europe. the cultures and work ethics differ as well.
Caleb Stewart
Easy to genocide and rape though; see Mongolian Horde. Just wait until we the rise of a nuclear horde that doesn't give any fucks about human rights or warcrimes. Insurgencies only work against Whites.
Adam Richardson
Welfare is literally the only reason the nigger population has grown to the size it has.
Bentley Edwards
Libertarians forget that a govenmnet is simply the clique of people that everyone within the country has to obey or face punishment, all the free market does is replace de jure government that everyone can easily recognize and mentally comprehend, with de facto governments lead by mobs of whoever can afford the most grunts and guns. Take a look at mexico, the official government is too weak to control the cartels, so the cartels get to run the country and everyone's life is worse off as a result.
Cooper Rivera
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Add to filter. The primary individuals responding in favor of socialism are a minority in this thread. This thread is a false flag AND a shilling attempt.
Alexander Rogers
I think we're starting to realize another reason why the anglo countries stopped the Germans, they saw a potential threat - because their political ideology was similar (they just lied and played the machiavelli game to cover that up).
Xavier Wood
I'm actually going to go ahead and filter you instead.
Jordan Lee
Read the thread, we're endorsing flexibility and pragmatism for the sake of the aesthetic.
Austin Harris
A government doesn't need to be run by saints and nobody is proposing that you duplicitous kike, do you honestly think free markets will turn those same government workers you despise so much into perfect, incorruptible and altruistic leaders who always serve common interests?
Carson Williams
I disagree, without patriotism the state cannot weed out the cancerous tumours of degeneracy and cultural marxism. People want to "fall", they're seduced to becoming docile and inactive. The fail to see the macrocosmic, or they see and became apathetic. The nation became like it was on opiates.
Jaxson Lopez
The brain is thinking. If you disagree attack the arguments or you're submitting to cognitive dissonance.
Tyler Butler
/thread. So sick and tired of Holla Forums coming over here to rub the castrated nubs where their white penises used to be and crap all over the floor. Nobody wants to see that shit bro what the fuck.
Noah Lopez
Who the fuck said anything about without patriotism? It’s without socialism that makes America America.
Isaac Turner
I'll be at (9) after this. Do i make the filter list too? I can only hope
Justin Nguyen
No.white people is what makes America america.
Thomas Lewis
Patriotism is what turns a man towards a certain militia. He would not support or fight for that militia without that encompassing patriotism. The want for the ideologies and values that militia is fighting to protect.
That's what made America and other anglo countries so strong and comfy :^) The people wanted to be there.
Kevin Gonzalez
And that very same freedom allowed the kikes to waltz in and ruin everything, unless you think modern America is somehow a preferable state of affairs. Any system that doesn't defend against the kikes or other foreign infiltrators/subversives is a non-system, like an animal without an immune system it's guaranteed to get infected and die.
Nicholas Sanchez
cor·po·rat·ism ˈkôrp(ə)rəˌtizəm/ noun noun: corporatism the control of a state or organization by large interest groups.
Let's take a moment to remember that large interest groups are what kept people like Hillary funded, as well as being responsible for most of the kike-fueled legislation that went through Congress.
Zachary Morgan
Wow faglord you sure convinced me with your hot opinions
Aiden Allen
In a typical co-op, the shares are held by employees, who may vote for their management. The means of production in this case are literally under the direct control of the workers. That is textbook socialism. If there was more of this in the whole economy, it would be accurate to describe the US as having at least a partly socialist system. High taxes and lazy spending are no more "socialist" than fast cars and sheepskin condoms are "fascist." Americans are easy to confuse on this point, courtesy of the Jews.
Justin Gonzalez
So, basically AIDS.
Lucas Adams
Or we got complacent and ignored how low they would go. Times are changing again though. We see right through them.
can that encompass general corporations? I mean when you spend money on something owned by a corporation it is because you are interested or want whatever is being sold. Doesn't that make a general corporation a "large interest group" through the flow the thing that they use to get what interests them?
Luis Jones
And how did you end up like that? was it the freedom and prosperity that blinded you to taking precautions? I've said several times in this thread that the any method you take to prevent foreign infiltrators (of any kind) that actually works, will end up being equivalent to implementing National Socialism, because that's the entire purpose of the ideology, putting the people ahead of everything else in all situations.
Americans don't need as much authoritarianism as the Germans did, but they still need a strong government to prevent tragedies of the commons, it's why we ditched the articles of confederation for the constitution in the first place.
Caleb Jenkins
says the national (((socialist)))
Zachary Sullivan
The herd got sick, we lost faith in god.
Thank a man on a cross for that.
Parker Sullivan
It's not ''the control of a state or organization by large interest groups." but "the sociopolitical organization of major interest groups on basis of common interests". The term was changed because le evil fascism meme and le evil rich meme were combined. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism
Camden Parker
Am I the only one here that thinks a mixed market economy (one that both rewards free enterprise and provides a basic standard of living for the impoverished and unemployed) with neo-mercantilist tendencies in an ethnically homogenous society is the way to go?
Wyatt Scott
Bullshit. As long as monopolies are kept in check, capitalism is freedom.
Don't mistake fractional reserve lending & central banking for capitalism.
Watch The Money Masters: youtube.com/watch?v=B4wU9ZnAKAw
Angel Price
Depends if you like eugenics. A eugenic person would hate a mixed market "you're in hell, learn to fucking swim" The issue is, the expectations of people became far more greedy, so they stopped having kids when in poverty.
Note - shitskins still have kids in poverty in western countries, while whites barely have any in upper classes. The mentality shifted due to greed.
This is the part where I point out that Jews are declining in numbers too.
Xavier Bell
I see it more as a tether to satan.
It's unsustainable without psychological intervention. We need to meme babies.
Can we all just agree we're all white nationalists and stop fighting over which political system is more beneficiary?
Zachary Smith
Wat.
At its core, capitalism is the barter system. If you and I trade something, no one else needs to get involved. Money just lubricates the trading.
Banking & lending (which has nothing to do with capitalism) is where the money changers work their magic, such as inflation and deflation of the money supply.
Nathaniel Jenkins
no. We need to use national socialist model. Stop tolerating communists.
Camden Sanders
Eugenics are a bit iffy for me. On one hand, I'd like to see the government encouraging only the physically and mentally able to reproduce, while people with some form of disorder (homosexuality, autism, Downs Syndrome, etc) would be barred from the opportunity by some form of sterilization, although they could still form loving relationships without adopting or producing children.
On the other hand, I'm not quite on board for the idea of a Holocaust 2.0 where all inferior groups are gassed or brought to a firing squad. I say let them go out with a whimper if they're really incapable of adapting to the changing times, rather than making them into martyrs who were 'murdered' by an 'oppressive regime' like with the kikes.
Nathan Adams
You mean 1.0
Jack Wood
I meant more "brave new world" dysgenics as well.
The strong find jobs and work, but end up put off by the burden of children. That's why it needs immigrants.
But when children become an integral fulfilling aspect of a persons life - they start pushing them out again. That's what happened with the baby boom.
There is more to this than money remember.
Christopher Allen
I just want a comfy prosperous society. But at the same time I want that roughness to keep us awake.
Logan Nguyen
Same, but there are only a certain number of methods by which to acquire that comfy and prosperous society, while also keeping us aware of the dangers that lurk in the shadows. That's why people debate economics and politics, it's all trying to figure out which system is the best for the advancement of manking.
Alexander Morgan
There is no "one size fits all". It comes down to the mentality of the individuals and the hive. You just gotta keep working and tweaking. Got a rusty car? Re-body it. Too slow? Supercharge it.
Adrian Clark
I can agree with this.
Luis Price
The problem with capitalism is the giant waste of ressources. Consumerism is thriving because the owners of the capital possess the financial ability to flood the market with goods, which lose their worth over the years because of their ability and because of the strong competition. This also leads to globalist interests of companies, because they can abuse workforces of other countries, mostly in the third world, to lower the prices for a competitive advantage. To sell their goods with the highest profit possible, they also want to eliminate national regulations and taxes (TTIP and TISA), robbing them of their national sovereignity. Its literally the system favored and most easily abused by the conspiring elitist, as it fits in their aim globalization to create an One World Government. There are communist elements of the communist manifesto applied in the "capitalist" system too though, as a private bank, the FED, has the monopoly to loan money to the american government and charge interest. This is the 5th plank of the communist manifesto applied: “Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.“
Robert Price
Any country which prohibited fractional reserve banking and monopoly would cease to be recognizable as capitalism. Private currency creation marks the birthing point of capitalism. The two are inseparable.
Carson Bennett
capped
Camden Lee
And this is for you
Lucas Campbell
lol you horribly misunderstood the post you referenced. Corporatism is a 1930's anti-capitalistic ideology (when corporations were not labeled as such) and you're praising corporatocracy.
Ryan Price
Except for the fact that's fucking retarded. More often than not business cartels (See: The Steel Industry) are enforced by government Tariffs. If a large conglomeration of wheat and corn farmers enter a price fixing scheme, it would literally be in the best interests of a smaller corn and wheat farmer to take a smaller dollar profit on each ear/bushel to get more business due to a cheaper price.
"MUH 1%" If you looked at a break down of the richest people in America, you will see that they are mainly investors, venture capitalists, and entrepreneurs. People who actually made their money by being smart and working hard.
WEW LADDIE
Minimum wage laws are fucking shit. They only serve to fuck over small businesses and ensure that businesses are forced to hire everyone rather than allowing those who would work for less to prosper.
What's next faggot?
Gonna start a Gestapo to crack down on people importing foreign goods and slap a 50% Tariff on imports so that way the bloated domestic industry propped up by Government Bailouts on the taxpayer dollar don't fail yet again?
daily reminder: KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS IS SHIT. GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN ECONOMICS IS SHIT.
Cameron Taylor
```EVERYONE```
Benjamin Harris
EVERYONE
Grayson Rodriguez
I Agree.
Every one of their arguments assume that a group of jews sprouts out from underground and fix the prices while simultaneously stopping anyone from providing the same goods, services or actually offering competition.
Then comes the minimum wage dickwaving where NEETs are offered cents to do work until they drop dead WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE offering to pay them better prices for their labor. Business only want to abuse workers, workers provide no services and again, there's no competition whatsoever and the only thing they do is appeal to retards too dumb to understand economics but it's ok as long as they shitpost hard enough.
They spout the same commie meme as clinton or bernie that goes "gotta pay your fair share goyim" as if only a few of god's chosen (actually chosen, not jews) can work harder than others and are willing to push their company ahead while all the retards that complain about any income disparities barely work 9 to 5 at some fucking dead end job like a forklift operator at a warehouse.
(((everyone)))
Carter Gray
There's a lot of autism here, so let's get organized.
Not when the larger combine applies pressure to the smallholder, which inevitably happens without tight regulations. Are you a small farmer who thinks he can make a buck off of breaking the (already criminal) cartel? Check out how well that's working right now in Mexico with the small-time marijuana growers. Inevitably, the larger power applies coercion and force to the small. The weak must fear the strong. The justification for the state is that it's super strong, but somehow accountable to the little people, at least en masse.
Yes, the Jews are well known for their admiration of meritocracy.
"Allowing those who would work for less to prosper." Thanks, El Rushbo. Have you considered what happens when the other workers see their hours cut from 40 a week to 10 because a few go-getter types at the office will do it for $5 an hour, rather than $10? Those other workers offer to do it for $4.50, right before the first group bids $4, followed by a counter offer of $3.75, and so on. The downward pressure on wages is virtually identical to an uncontrolled price fixing scheme, but with employers buying units of labor, rather than distributors buying bushels of wheat. But that's okay by (((you))) because muh freedom!
Faggotry, obviously.
Literally a capital idea. It's too early to tell, but you might not be retarded after all.
National Socialist foreign policy in a nutshell. Gas them or bomb them if they don't like the order we impose. The weak fear the strong, Cletus.
Or we could move to Albania and build an economy where the basic unit of currency is how hard your daughter makes the mafia chief come in her hair.
Carter Howard
the main issue with capitalism, like all other issues, is that we let jews and all the various breeds of niggers participate in it
James Gonzalez
Lad you don't understand enough about economics to be nearly this angry. You're just a regurgitation of libertarian talking points. Settle down and try expanding your knowledge base. Not everything is Keynesianism.
Alexander Wright
Yeah but in some countries the Freemasons can be very influential. France for example. Many judges in France are Freemasons who are hostile to nationalist political parties.
Aaron Williams
except they're necessary in a financial / banking system where inflation keeps rising
Austin Price
But if you keep raising it, or letting those that benefit from it define it, you'll spiral out of control. It should be set somewhere and allow for the citizens to work up. A stepping stone for the adolescence. It isn't a right, it's a luxury from the one law that exists: the law of violence. If the people can defend that land, then yes, it is a derived right, not an original right. "Human rights" are actually luxuries derived from the one true right: the law of violence. Everything else is secondary, it all depends upon how much force you are willing to exert to defend yourself.
Luis Williams
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Levi Jones
Stop supporting Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism
Jaxon Martinez
muh 'free market'
Easton Gonzalez
Quoted for truth. (Actually, even though I always tell people that "Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same Shekel," I never knew that it was a quote from the Fuhrer himself! We need to recognise that Capitalism and Libertarianism are mostly Jewish inventions– (((Mises))), (((Rand))), (((Friedman))), (((Rothbard))), etc. … it's a common Jewish tactic to try and switch sides in the middle of the conflict to suit their own interests. As a former Marxist, I am more aware of this than average. Honestly, I think that former Leftists make the best NatSocs, but it's a risky route to take, of course.
Jackson Williams
Truth. The funny thing is that when I studied Marxism, I realised that even Marx himself wasn't 'Anti-Capitalist', he merely criticised Capitalism. I have always despised Capitalism, and realising that National Socialism is the strongest weapon against International Capitalism (obviously!) was something that drew me in.
Austin Baker
If a Fascist/Dictatorial regime is in favor of free markets then it was A-OK according to Hayek. For the Austrians, the markets are really the ultimate good–the form of government is nowhere near as important as the ability of markets to operate.
– Friedrich Hayek www .opendemocracy. net/benjamin-selwyn/friedrich-hayek-dictatorship