I know political compasses are bullshit and they have a libertarian bias, but would there be any value in pushing this sort of viewpoint?
Should we push this?
Dylan Cruz
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John Harris
Idk. Our goal should be to push the political discourse out of fixed abstractions (which economy is the best? how progressive should we be? free market or not?) to a more historical, institutional and evolutionary perspective, so political compasses meant to compute and graph only fixed positions are inherently incompatible with our worldview.
But I do think we should push for "economic democracy" as a term and idea, so might as well circulate this if it helps.
Hunter White
I'm an absolute tankie and I always get put into the bottom left because I literally don't care what people do in their personal life.
I don't get this political compass tbqh famalam.
My only problem with that chart would be the implication that authoritarian socialism is the opposite of democracy. It's certainly more democratic than the center so it really doesn't make any sense.
Henry Lee
Yeah, we have a lot of work to do, but I think the first thing people need to be aware of is that leftism is about democratizing the workplace, not about the government doing stuff.
Isaac Kelly
We should also argue that porky is a dictator at the workplace.
We should list arguments people use against worker control of MoP and juxtapose them with equivalent arguments against democracy.
Jonathan Roberts
What does economic democracy mean?
Jonathan Rodriguez
When YOU help decide your wage.
When YOU help decide the prices.
When YOU help decide the production.
When YOU help decide the economic policies.
You currently don't, you are currently a slave to the whims of Porky.
Jackson Nelson
Gabriel Long
Literally the modern day opium of the people
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Wyatt Robinson
This.
The capitalist workplace is a dictatorship.
Alexander Bell
Absolutely true. 'Democracy' is idealist in the sense that it takes problems in life as mendable THROUGH it, instead of changing society in such a way that certain problems do not exist anymore. This is why any democratic process in history will always appear like it becomes 'corrupted', when what really happened is that there were innately anti-democratic workings already materially present that led to the proliferation of abuse. This is why I like Zizek's counter-point to Varoufakis, who said 'we should democratize Europe and make debates of our functionaries public'. What will simply happen is that the bourgeoisie and its functionaries will simply make this transparency when it happens irrelevant, and work to create non-transparent spaces to conspire in instead. What people truly want from democracy is the feeling that they have control, which is entirely evidenced by the fact that they idealize democracy instead of critically analyzing it enough to come to such an easy conclusion (that democracy is a farce that serves to cover up a lack of actual changes that render 'corruption', which is basically just exploitation, possible). It's one of the few things I agree on with left com and tankies.
Owen Morgan
I dunno about that. Democracy in itself is not a goal I think we should strive for. Generally, when possible I prefer decentralization of power. There's a worn-out Oscar Wilde quote about democracy being "the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people." But I think the underlying point of it is somewhat valid. Democracy does not give power to the individual. In effect the individual has about as much control as they would under any dictator. Democracy is not giving the power to individuals, so much as consolidating public opinion and using that to justify certain actions.
There are cases where democracy may be useful, but on the whole, I believe, and I certainly hope most people on this board believe, that we should more or less let people do what they want and only use systems like democracy or representative government, or even dictatorships which are made to consolidate power and enact their will upon people in cases where letting people do what they want does not work properly.
Carter Mitchell
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Eli Collins
These niggas get it.
A post-left critque of democracy:
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Jayden Price
taking the bordiga meme seriously
WEW
Levi Sanders
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Josiah Adams
wew
Connor Gomez
Thanks Bob "Call the cops" Black!
Levi Lee
t. Liberal
Bob "Doer of Literally Nothing Wrong" Black did nothing wrong tbh.
Robert Moore
Bob "Thanks Sir for fucking my wife! Would you like another donut? Or maybe the address of the local dealer?" Black did some stuff wrong.
Andrew Flores
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Michael Roberts
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Nolan Ross
You got it backwards. The upper limits of democracy would be defined by the Democracy Level™ of the base. The superstructure can't make society more democratic, only less.
Lincoln Lee
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Logan Wood
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Joshua White
if two dictators voluntarily reduced trade barriers between their countries would that be democratic?
Gavin Wright
Then it wouldn't be a dictatorship because there would be free flow of trade goods. Dictatorship depends on state control over industry
Benjamin Martin
He asked if it would be democratic, not whether it would be a dictatorship.
Gavin Collins
THIS IS WHAT LOLBERTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE!
Jonathan Rogers
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Levi Rodriguez
people want to work, they just want to work without getting RIPPED OFF.
Christian Johnson
If you feel you're getting ripped off, you are free to move to another job, or become your own employer.
Logan Gutierrez
you do not understand the nature of capitalism. In order for there to be a capitalist, workers must get ripped off.
Elijah Thompson
The test is flawed, the chart is good. You'd be upper right.
I feel like maybe these should have a third "culture warrior/social libertarian" dimension.
Sebastian Cook
Upper left shit
Anthony Young
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Gabriel Powell
push it? sure.