Debating commi's

commis of the useful idiot variety eg leftypol are irrelevant waste products who will never matter. their memes are shit tier. the ones that can be saved will come to us themselves, and the rest will rot away.

commis of the jew variety cant be argued, they must be gassed.

So, we shouldn't argue with them?

Then how do we convince newfags of our cause if we can't flesh out our own arguments?

Watch all the content on this youtube channel. It has some of the best thinkers of the new right

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Requesting sources for white countries, otherwise it's not an argument.

For food, so does the (1) state and (2) socialism. Diamonds are crap. If people want to buy them, fuck them.

Your resentment of work is showing. There is nothing wrong with working and not everyone will neither be nor wants to be a new Tesla.

Same argument could've been said for every technological advance till now

Yes, Sargon, it's called identity politics. We're for h'white male rule of the best and upholding the Traditional institutions while they're for their dissolution and establishing the feminine moon cult of the negress mother. Communism is an extension of that.

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Go home, commie.

Ah thanks, will check them out.

Does he talk about the arguments in the OP?

Yea I told them Socialism was a jewish thing but they just said it was about the workers being their own masters. I mean clearly they haven't heard of the USSR but whatever. I will bring up small business though.

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Jesus newfag. You don't debate communists. You kill them

work on your false flagging, nobody uses BTFO unironically and cuck is used at a minimal

we convince normies en masse already. most commies are too far gone.
I can flesh out the most perfect argument in the world but it would never penetrate their inner programming unless they actually want to be convinced, its a matter of percieved self interest. once shit starts to hit the fan and we reach critical mass, the smart ones will come to us naturally. the rest will die off.

They linked me this: thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/

Good point.

I think the point was people still work just on different shit.

true.

You cannot argue with them because they're ideological which means they cannot look at things from a different standpoint rather than their ideological one. You want to break their conditioning, not arguing with them and conforming to their ideology.

It's almost never about workers being their own masters. The first thing commies everywhere have done is enslave the workers, seize the their assets and lands, and then kill them if they didn't work hard enough.

Income and wealth equality was greater in Germany than in the Soviet Union.
Fascist Italy made more effort at getting workers to form cooperatives than the USSR, China or any of the "Socialist" States ever did. Instead, when (((Bolsheviks))) came to power they immediately abolished the worker cooperatives and handed control over to (((party officials))).

Class collaboration is better than conflict. Third position, distributionism etc

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Not OP but, no they didn't. There are loads of examples where the workers did actually own things.

top kek. we have IDs here you sissy fuck.

makes you wonder if socialism really needs another try without the "national" in front of it considering that all manifestations of socialism in that pic literally starved to death by being horrible failures

Of all those listed only Tito and the Kurds have had any long lasting success. Yugoslavia imploded after Tito's death and the Kurds future is still at mercy of what Russia, Turkey and ASsad want.

Faggot check your ID.

Ahaaha this fucking idiot doesnt know how ids work. Go back to >>>>/reddit/

You have to figure arguments on the fly because Communists have the extremely common tendency to change their arguments when it suits them. For example, if it suits them, then they will claim that the Soviet Union wasn't REAL Communism and that Stalin gives it a bad name. On the other hand, when they think they can get away with it, they will claim that the USSR should never have collapsed and that anything you say about Stalin is actually just Western propaganda.

But everything in that picture is either a failed state, a bunch of goons hiding out in the woods taking potshots at Government forces every now and then, or were killed by Communists

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Get the fuck out.

wew. That ID. Kill yourself nigger.

Forgot sage.

OP retreated in shame after showing how low his iq really is.

You suck at arguing. You already started making concessions.

Youre a fucking moron.

Ftfy

Go back to leftypol

We have IDs here Holla Forums

Well looks like I should have read the thread first. At least OP was kind enough to make sure I didn't go empty-handed

Is that what you call yourselves now? Because I caught you there right away. Now end your life like how you sick fucks have murdered over a 100 million this last century.

This is why no one takes you seriously, Holla Forums

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They're a lot more happy when they're not starving and actually earn money for their share of work, instead of a lazy Jew earning just as much as them for half of the work. Hang your self Shlomo, you can't even shill properly.

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Also if maximizing happiness is your goal you should reject the concept of multiculturalism as diversity lowers social cohesion and trust.

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This is what happens when you recruit from Reddit and Facebook.

Inglood me in le screengab blox :D

None of those worked

There are two screencaps already, faggot. You probably should consider making your request a bit earlier next time.

Know the signs of autism.

Your thoughts on nazbol

None of these are still functioning today, and as your pic shows, some of those commie states were killed by other commie states because they weren't communist enough for them kek

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GTFO newfag. we have ID's here, unlike your not-so-self-aware cesspool board >>>Holla Forums

nazbol is the best way to redpill commies tbh

Your shilling didn't work when you tried to peddle Strasserism and it certainly isn't going to work now

Nah, you shill it on Holla Forums.

they just change their position when convenient

Good that you at least admit to doing damage control for Holla Forums right now

And where, my dear cretin, did I say that?

I'm not entirely sure if this is in good faith, but I'll act as if it is.

Assuming this is true, this is an argument for implementing this strategy on a workplace-to-workplace basis. There are definitely workplaces where this falls apart badly - for instance, law enforcement and military jobs would go very badly in such an environment.

Ayup, and this is why we need to have some degree of market control. An unrestrained free market is bad, and I doubt anyone here is in favor of that.

Also, diamonds are for idiots.

We cannot fully automate some jobs - maintenance is required for a lot of these things. Moreover, sales jobs are VERY unlikely to be mechanized - it may be preferable for McDonalds-tier sales, but you don't actually want your waiter at a decent restaurant to be a robot.

Also, if you were any good at science/art, you'd have a job doing it. Scientist/Artist are indeed jobs that still exist, they just require a lot of training!

And that's why we alienate those who namefag too hard.

embarrassing

It's not. OP got caught samefagging and was laughed out of the thread. Your post is a waste of time.

Whoops.

I still hope the Holla Forums guy reads that and considers becoming something other than a commie.

Dude the hungarian flag had a hole for a fucking reason! Nagy Imre didn't wanted communism you colossal faggot! Otherwise he wouldn't call for american help.

Calling 56 as a communist event in my country get you instantly killed and skinned on the street, you fucking communist filth!

This has to be a joke.

I prefer to use empirical results:

The less regulated a state is the cheaper it is to live there. Lefties and socialists talk nice to your feefees but in places they rule their regs drive prices, especially of essentials, to the moon.

This can especially be seen with housing. We have, world-wide, a series of markets where lefties have strangled the crap out of housing with regs.

The longer those regs have been in place (particularly 'urban growth limits' or 'smart growth' or 'green belts'), the more people are priced out.

In Georgia And Texas where they don't have that shit, you can buy 2200 sqft in a 10/10 school district for ~250. In NY where they've been around since about the 80's it's around 600. In CA where it's been around since the 70's we're reaching 950. In the UK and canada where they've been around since the mid 60's they're now closing in on 2 freaking mil.

Granted the median income doesn't change much or keep up as this happens, but as the housing prices soar, new generations either get pushed out of the region or start demanding insane wages to keep up with housing.

This then drives businesses and jobs to less regulated areas.

Here in burgerland this means red states and some offshore. In pozed places like the UK it means pakistan and china exclusively.

By stating that it is shilled on Holla Forums

I know OP got laughed out the thread for samefagging and he's from Holla Forums, but I'll post my rebuttals.

First off - you can have cooperatives in a free market, no one is stopping you from volunteerly joining and or forming one, so the happiness argument is bullshit because if everyone was happier under cooperatives and cooperative business were supreme in satisfaction of workers, than they would be dominating the market right now because, by your logic, management ran business are lacking satisfaction of the workers so workers would all choose to work for cooperatives.
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The reality is, people are happier spending their dollar on cheaper products, which management businesses do better, providing, which your study did not factor for and did not compare them. Basically, 'yeah, my job sucks, but I can do so much cooler shit on my off hours because of it, so totally worth it!'
Secondly, more productivity in a free market is measured by maximizing capital, which management ran business do far better than cooperatives.

For certian types of food, yes, do to simple supply and demand, but food in general? No. Demand is fixed and too high, it's a market that actually falls victims to too much supply. For example small farms not being able to start up do to industrial farms already supplying plenty of food for local markets.
Even under socialism, you could argur that there would be a good scarcity due to everyone not having fish penis to fry on their bbq.

You realize both sides bargain their hours argeed upon, right? Nothing is stopping you from following a field of work that has less average hours or from bargaining with your boss. Nothing is stopping you from exploring culture and science. If anything, money as been one the best way to sort through all the terrible culture there is because it shows what people are willing to spend money to see and they find is the best out there. Science? You realize science is a lot of profit driving, correct? You really think Iphones would be pushed for new innovations as much as their is now if everyone already had one? No, because Apple needs to make new profits, and to do that they need a new, better product to drive out their old one as a unsuperior model.
Automation is one thing we'll have to wait and see on.

I hate SJWs because of their policies - not because of what they call me or what they witch hunt. But this not an argument either way.

I'm just here to laugh at you and your ID like everyone else.