HELP ME DEBUNK THESE TWO DOCUMENTS

So I was having an argument about the lololcaust until this guy - supposedly a "historian" drops these two documents. I've never seen those before nor heard of the meetings.
One document talks about the execution of 463 kikes in USSR, 1941 by the Einsatzgruppe. The other talks about a meeting between Heydrich, Bülher, Hoffmann, Müller, etc on the 20th of January,1942 at the villa Marlier in Berlin. A sentence in the 'yellow' document stands out and here is the translation:
"Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history."

So, what's the story behind those two documents Holla Forums? I highly doubt they're legit but we need proof for that.

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Jews have fabricated many stories across the timeline. Debunks a few and even more take their place. Its futile to try debunk lies because everyone forgets about debunked lies.

What you need to focus is on pointing out already debunked hysterical lies that are obvious to anyone.
Like that guy that got wood stuck up his ass. Or the jewish woman with "nails in her head". Or the fact that Treblinka had water well surrounded by mass graves. Or the fact that Treblinka had engine powered gas chambers even though it was end of war and Germany needed all fuel it could muster. Or jewish lampshades and soap.

The absurd lies like those is where its at. Not these half truths you can get nowhere with.

Seems legit

this doesn't even prove the holocaust, jews were rightfully put in work camps and a lot died of typhus ie natural causes.

even if they were legitimate they prove nothing other than what we already know.

Probably real, there were a lot of commiekike partisans who took up arms against the Reich and were killed as unlawful combatants in the course of normal anti-terrorism operations.
I wonder about the source of the yellow document though.

Not just typhus and natural causes, but the starvation that did occur during them end of their POW Imprisonment (they were never death camps, they were POWs) was a direct result of the allies cutting off food supply through strategic military assault. Tfw the allies actually starved the kikes that the Nazis were feeding and housing. Wew.

It's the Wannasee Protocol
codoh.com/library/document/934/

It may be a forgery, but even if it's real, it isn't proof of the Shoah,

Ah yes, the one that was "miraculously" discovered by a jewish lawyer years after the war, and of which no other copies exist.

How to explain the document.
1) The Soviets captured Berlin in 1945, along with all the typewriters, carbons, paper stock, stamps, etc. needed to fake up any documents they could dream of.
2)The Soviets had established form in ascribing their own war crimes (the Katyn massacre of the Polish officer corps, for example) to those wicked, perfidious Nazis who are conveniently too dead to dispute the issue.
3) The Soviets built the Auschwitz gas chambers that now exist some time in the late 1940s.
4) The word 'disinformation' (deliberately misleading information disseminated to confuse the enemy and/or establish leverage over them) comes from the Soviet-era Russian word дезинформация.
Put all that together. What's the obvious conclusion?

You went too far the other way user. The holocaust never happened. But Jews were rounded up and put into work camps and a lot of them died, nowhere near the numbers claimed but still a lot.
Nobody denies this but shills will constantly try to act like questioning the holocaust means you think no Jews died.
So you need to accept the point and use it to keep on the holocaust. "They openly talk about work camps and prisoners dying of disease so why not mention their gas chambers?" etc.

27-29K Jews died. They were a small minority of the total KZ population. First document is a joke the second refers to anti-partisan operations. In all wars/on all sides get caught fighting in civilian clothes and you are immediately executed.

Wow, 463 kikes. A real shoah there.

So it explicitly says they are to be working and that there will be a "new Jewish revival," flatly contradicting the claim of any genocidal intent.

This historian must really suck at his job because he doesn't even understand basics of inference.

Czech'd.

The holocaust disputers don't claim that the Germans never killed any person.

They dispute the magical, physics-defying gas chambers and crematoriums.

They dispute the Red Army's constantly changing claims of body counts.

There were far chunkier execution than 400 and something in the east. Not without reason though. Vid semi-related.

Know what you need to create false documentation from that period?

A German-language typewriter and some paper.
Thats it.
Document proof from WWII is awful in terms of physical evidence.

You'll never convince anyone by talking about what historians say. History is boring and unconvincing.
THE MATH.
THE FUCKING MATH DOESN'T WORK
They couldn't possibly have cremated that many jews in a hundred years, let alone 4.
Especially not with those dinky little ovens.
There weren't enough trains running in germany to have transported that many people.
The logistics of gassings are moronic, besides pumping fluids, now they need to drag out the bodies…

I was recently told 80% of german jews survived the holocaust. So 6 million is actually 1/5 of the 30 million german jews in germany alone? There weren't that many jews in all of europe.

Yes, einsatzgruppen were out and about shooting kikes.
Yes, a lot of kikes died, even and especially in concentration camps.

But there was never a 'final solution', that is a purposeful mistranslation by the allies. It was a 'total solution'.

Sounds more as if its deliberatly stated that they must be killed to prevent a revival.

What does an order about executing 463 kikes have to do with the systematic gassing of 6 trillion jews?

Holocaust revisionism centers around gas chambers, nothing more and nothing less. There were no gas chambers, however there were legitimate times where POWs had to be executed.

Execution of POWs happened on all sides of the war everyday during war time.

What there is absolutely no evidence of is gas chambers. The entire holohoax centers around this. Nobody gives a fuck about 400 Jews being shot in the midst of a war where 60,000 German civilians are dying in a single allied bombing run.

The order probably is legit. What you should focus on is the non-existent gas chambers when debating anyone about the holohoax, simply because they didn't exist and it's physically impossible for 6 trillion jews to have disappeared into thin air as the official narrative holds.

Thats quite a leap.

Lets say this shit is legit, lets say this isnt just the scribblings of some Soviet Jew or their US/British equivalent…

You've got a population of hostile outsiders in your midst.
You intend to gather them up, and send them East to work, knowing natural causes will kill many over time.
The remnant will be, assuming a selective factor in this context, the toughest, the most resilient, and the most hostile.
If released, they will initiate a revival of their kin in your lands, and so mist be treated accordingly…


… But what does that mean?
Does it mean you have to kill them?
To put it in context: Do you have to kill these Jewish prisoners to avoid a revival of Jewry in Europe?
Does that logically follow, based on past actions?

I say no.
I say, theres this place, called Israel, to which many European Jews had already been peaceably sent.
I say, the remedy the threat of a revival of Jewry in Europe, you must merely get the Jews out of Europe - and that killing them is but one means to accomplish this task, and likely the most efficient, nor the wisest.

Because, think dear user, if Israel is a thing, how would eliminating a few thousand Jews in Europe vibe with them?
Its likely to create aggression, hostility, a desire for vengeance and a push to re-enter Europe….

… But what if you just deport the ones who dont die as a result of work detail in Eastern Europe/Western Russia (lamds their Jewish brethren have held under a bloody thumb for too long already)?
No more threat of Jewish revival in Europe, no burning desire to re-enter Europe to avenge the dead… Win-win.

*unlikely the most efficient

Partizans are not POWs.

This is an interesting new shill tactic.

I noticed this, they present holocaust supporting arguments in the way that is supposed to set it as tough to fight against.

But you won't convert people by that here kike.

Firstly, you mistranslated it on purpose. The German translation of the word "final solution" is closer to "total solution" in this context.

Secondly, the conference you are referring to was about the organization of counter-partisan concentration camps or internment camps.

Thirdly, this new kike tactic won't make the shakiness of holocaust history go away.

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the USSR is infamous for executing like 20.000.000 hristians so kies sure got lucky back then
Evertything else sounds like plans for lavour camps so war prisioners could make themselves usefull

Nigger the Holocaust hinges on Auschwitz and Treblinka. Logistics @ Auschwitz are absolutely shit for efficiency in killing / cremation ratio. The layout of crema 2 is fucking trash, perpendicular rooms they'd have to drag bodies out of day and night, 1 hour to kill 2k people followed by 130+ hours of body disposal? Really? Absolute garbage and fiction.

Treblinka is so easy, ground penetrating radar proves the ground was never disturbed there for mass graves, no ash in soil samples. The "star of David" clay tablets on a supposed Treblinka chamber were produced as a polish company logo on the back of EVERY tile by that company.

It's absolute fiction. Jewish exaggeration through and through. But you can't investigate that shit or question it because the whole sham would fall apart.

Fucking ADDITIONALLY,

Their 15 tinyass ovens at Auschwitz were claimed to have torched 2-4 bodies each in 30 minutes. That's absolutely fiction, no fucking way as any cremation expert could tell you. Modern highly advanced cremation machines take an hour for an average person, more for fatties and the trash being ovened at Auschwitz were said to be fresh off the trains. No fucking way. Every additional body would have doubled that time to completion, if not choked out the fire with water content. Nigger have you ever cooked a turkey? More weight, more cook time, this is fucking basic stuff.

Auschwitz is the biggest fucking magic trick in history.

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Also remember the amount of water content in bodies would severely ruin any efficiency when they claim that multiple bodies were jammed into there. They explain that away by simply saying women burned much hotter because muh fat content bullshit.

But doesn't that disprove the Shoah if anything, interpreting the document in the worst possible way it's saying "we're sending the jews east to work, and then sometime later, after we don't have any use for them, we may have to kill the survivours", I though the story of the Shoah was that the majority was sent straight to the gas chambers, not that they were sent east to work for prolonged periods of time. The document certainly doesn't say "we're sending train-fulls of Jews to Poland where they'll be killed on arrival"

Pretty much this, Id also add I have counter documents showing concern for the Jews welfare by the Nazis, and these ones were actual evidence at their trials.

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Except it doesn't.

You need to have your head checked nigger.

Here's the deal OP:

Partisans are not prtected under the geneva convention, and hunting partisans was the Einsatzgruppe's job. Call it coincidence or kike subversion that the majority of partisans were jews, idgaf. Sure was convenient in order to push a narrative, but the Einsatzgruppe was basically an anti-terrorist group. So a historian could provide a documenta claiming over 1 million jewish kills - which I've seen because they use it as the crux of their argument - with purposely enlarged letters for Hitler to read because he didn't like to wear glasses, and that document still wouldn't mean jack shit because partisans are terrorists and deserve to be shot on sight.

As for the other document, we need more context. Who wrote it? What was his rank? when did he write it? Was he referring to jews being relocated or to partisans being put to use before being executed? Without these questions answered, you might as well be showing us an ms paint comic of badly drawn jews with sad faces, hook noses, and striped clothes taking a shower.

You can't just provide a broken jigsaw piece and pretends it magically fixes a puzzle that made no sense so far.

I'll throw in the official death count in work camps. tallied by the Red Cross no less; it includes natural causes and executions. but I bet your historian friend will claim that either the Red Cross were secretely nazis, or retarded and somehow missed the 60 gazillion dead jews.

They claim they were using a different "metric" in counting and the campus were cleaned up before the visits. Another example is pic where testimony is gotten that Hitler saw and commented on said reports.

Stay focused OP. Using Jews for hard labor and then killing them isn't gas chambers, it's what pretty much every regime ever has done, including they USSR. The Einsatzgruppen existed to suppress guerrillas with standard old anti-insurgency tactics like mass executions of civilians.

Those documents prove that Nazis hated Jews and did standard things exactly like what commies and liberals do to populations they don't like.

They're exculpatory.

The Holocaust is gas chambers. Make him problem gas chambers or he's a denialist too.

So the kikes couldn't even be consistent on their exuses, huh?

Anyways, I'm glad you posted that image, because it includes the report I was referencing in my other post. We need a seasonal thread where we go through those sorts of images, or other evidence, or "testimonies" and debunk them; mainly so the slower folks can pick up on the typical jewish tricks and how to combat them. I'll do your image as an example if you don't mind:

Let's start with the document on the bottom left. It is flat out admitted that it's an Einsatzgruppen report on combating partisans. And we already wen't over how partisans aren't protected under the Geneva Conventions, and rightfully deserve to be shot on sight because they are basically terrorists ,but this document uses it asa lynchpin for the holocaust narrative of "they were persecuting jews" even when it is stated RIGHT THERE that jews were only a subset of partisans.

The rest of the evidence is the typical tricks shlomo is known to play. For the more observant readers, they are written in english, which means they were translated. How is this relevant? Because the original german text uses the word "ausrottung" - as you might have observed from the transcript of the "Posen Speech", another lynchpin of the "yeah it totally happened dude" narrative - which is derived from the word "ausrotten". This is important, because in the late 1800's it simply meant "to root out", meaning that the meaning Hitler et al grew up knowing wasn't one that implied killing: it wasn't until after the war that the definition for it was changed. A good example of this word kikery is the "Posen Speech" abstract the image itself presents, as it juxtaposes evacuation with extermination, which makes no sense until you figure out "ausrottung" never implied death.

Bonus: Those seven lines from the Posen Speech are the ONLY seven lines where jews are even mentioned. You'd imagine such a central policy to your government would get a bigger part of your speech, eh?

That's all I got, but seriously niggers, we need more practice with this, as evidenced by OP.