Overwatch General

The shittiest menu ever

that's cause your drivers are old, I ran it on a 5 year old amd card and it was like that before I updated the drivers

but why/how is it slow/casual/shitty/blizzard?

You reek of a shill, except hired to market against a game instead of for it.

Why would you bother posting this here.

This shit belongs on halfchan.

No one plays healer.
Why?

What's with the lone wolfing?
They just end up getting killed.

Why are there so many shills for this game?

Aw man i miss that game I have some fond memories of the [FAG] server i played in

drivers are up to date.

It's community will be passable until it inevitably goes F2P

it's free2play today

It will be infested by Blizzard fanboys, that's probably even worse than F2P huehues.

20tick servers, this game is a bad joke.

Get used to being shot while behind a corner, somehow dying after you activate an ability that would have kept you alive, missing unless you lead your targets generously, etc.

No shit, this game plays exactly like Gunz: the duel, except you dont even need to have a katana to bounce around and be invulnerable. Are they jumping? Then no, you cannot hurt them for they have achieved immortality. Even the shit-show that TF2 has become is better than this.

It's okay with friends, though, just stack the most recently buffed character and shit on everyone.

Lucio is best character in the game, if no-one players healer just pick him and win.

yeah i've died like that plenty of times, the instant death cam replays even show that i've already gone behind a wall but i still die.

I haven't played since the November open beta, but for some reason this beta feels a lot less fun. These new maps are shit at the very least..

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Some buddies of mine are enjoying Battleborn which Gearbox actually put some effort in [I'm suprised too], its kind of the game that Failwatch is trying to be and it hasn't been shilled to oblivion here by blizzdrones.

nice try gearbox shill

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You know? With the little I knew of the game overall and having no idea what the game would play like before heading in; I'm impressed.
Its weird to say it but things like the hero/character system that normally just dont work for games outside of mobas, just kind of work here. The character specific abilities aren't just variations,they feel distinct from each other. It also does alot to make that core game play feel punchy. And with all characters being free right off the bat with no grinding or paywall.
The only thing I really don't like is the loot system. It feels very tacked on in the best sense, as it has little reason to exist when the core gameplay could've had a challenge or unlock system to get the skins and animations. No one would've complained then.
I must be going crazy. I actually fucking enjoyed a new relatively AAA release for its core game play.

I ain't buying the game, not a fan of MOBAs. its like having the option to buy Frozen Shit or Chocolate icecream. and you don't like chocolate

top kek m8 that game looks even worse than overwatch.

Its basically just overwatch with le forced meme humor from borderlands 2.

This is Holla Forums, you can't ever say you or someone you know likes something cos someone will shit on you or what you like., I call it 'Vivian's law'

Pretty safe shill

shill confirmed
lurk more

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it's pretty fun

Man I wish I was paid to do nothing but shitpost and have nobody care, even if it were for minimum wage.

Considering the average traffic of Holla Forums, it makes little sense to send shills there as everyone calls everyone else a shill. NeoFag would be better, as they are quite, quite beta.

If you convince Holla Forums to like a game, they'll shill it for you into enormous popularity. See Dark Souls

I can see how you would think that. but a good game can get a cult following from multiple web communties who all happen to like it because its a GOOD Game, aside from some shitty Cel-shaded FPS-MOBAs becuz "Muh E-Sports"

I know NOBODY who watches it, not even casuals I know, must be something to do with the jews.

Drop!

I played in the closed beta a while back and it's just mediocre. The art style's nice but the shooting is pretty bland, the movement's too slow for my tastes, the maps all seem to be these small, closed-off things, the balance is awful, too. I don't know if they're going to change it, but there was also no server browser. I would get put in a random match, and more than once, I got randomly moved to another match partway through. It would be okay if it was free. It's just not worth what they're asking.

I really like art style and characters variety, but I hate online shooters nuts.
Is there any sort of PvE in there? Story? Co-op campaign? Anything?

yeah youd kinda expect that from its price tag considering COD and all but nope asides basic vs ai its only multiplayer.

right now CS:GO has more content for a multiplayer only and its only $15.

its a fun but way overpriced game, i'd say wait for a sale if at all.

for PvE shooting I dunno, maybe Warframe or Killing Floor?

Lawbreakers is a better TF2 clone.

Yeah despite what people here say WF is pretty fun.
Naturally it would be better as normal buy-once-to-play game, but there next to nothing to comparable to it currently.

As of Killing Floor, I don't like the aesthetic, so I didn't play it.

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Nope. It's a very barebones shooter, and it's honestly not that good of one. The maps feel too small and closed-off, the balance is poor, and it's slow. Last time I played there wasn't any server browser or anything. Just "fuck it, put me in a random match". Plus sometimes it would move you to a DIFFERENT random match partway through.

Yes, that's why I mentioned that it would be better as non f2p.
Core combat and movement systems are top notch.

Kill yourself shill.
That was so low energy i feel personally offended.

It's mediocre as fuck.

There's barely any audio cues for anything. It doesn't seem to know if its a MOBA or a team shooter. I have more complaints but it's pretty shit. I'd rather play mobaborn.

got pretty bored of it.
i'd say battleborn over it but I am not buy either does not matter to me

Except for every single ult and most abilities.

It's literally the only good thing about this game, aside from a small amount of waifu potential.

Enjoy your ban, newfag.

theres audio cues for fucking everything.
someone gets hit, they yell for help, randomly characters tell you to go to objective, warn for a sniper, turret etc.

That's just the thing - I'm not new here. The mods wouldn't dare ban me for just porn, and even if they do I can just change IPs.

They'll just spoiler it for me, so I have literally no reason to. Unless they start handing out bans, no one has any reason to use a spoiler on anything.

post moer

Is it just my or is Symmetra useless outside of being able to put down a teleporter when you're defending point A

I don't really think every character screaming shit constantly in multitudes of languages is good design. Sure, everyone is screaming there's a turret, but I can't hear where the damn turret is.

I'm probably deaf but that doesn't change how mediocre it was.

I hope you're trolling.

Please spoiler your porn next time.

I have quite the folder.

Make me, hot pocket.

It's CRAPCUNTS.

I don't know, I haven't gotten a lot of mileage out of the turrets but maybe I'm just shit at placing them. I've played maybe 40 minutes total.

Come on retard, ban me. I DARE you.

Let me guess, when he does you'll just start spamming meta shit in the catalog and other threads complaining about overzealous mods?
Kill yourself fam.

You're so fucking brave kid. The fucking bravest.

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Shilling General the Thread.

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Nope, because I'm positive he won't even ban me.

> 8ch.net/log.php?board=v
> Created a new 5-minute ban on Holla Forums for 566673f645 (#123681) with reason: spoiler your porn, my dude
Not so slick now, my dude.

Where did my porn go, hotwheels.

Damn bully.

There are ads that are straight up porn on Holla Forums. Why aren't those spoilered?

It's alright loli ranger, I haven't been bullied.

You can rest easy, I'll take it from here.

awful

Because they're fags.
Easy XP.

Oh, I had something mildly related to this.

meanwhile

I don't even bitch in-game or try to put the blame on other players. We're all new here, so some of this is to be expected… but really, come on. How is it I am ALWAYS on a team full of lone wolves that have no interest in working together whatsoever?

So?

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nice mei mei

Play with people you know before Overwatch?

Just like L4D

L4D with randoms is pure suffering and asking for it.

I know. Only ever played L4D with friends.

/thread

Report sage and hide all shill threads.

i enjoyed the game so far. dont know if i will end up buying it but i will definitely have some fun with it this weekend.

you can just say you think its shit and that you wont even download it. why pretend that youve played it?

Can someone tell me how this game is a copy of TF2? Is it because they went for a more stylized "cartoony" look? Is it because they have a cast of characters that all do one roll?

Holla Forums seems really eager to hate this game and find every minor problem and blow it up to a much larger scale than it is. Holla Forums would love this game if it wasn't made by some big time dev.

Oh fuck off. If any thread discussing videogames is a shill thread then why the fuck are you still here? Go away and let me complain about how fucking shit these games are.

Looks delicious.

It's probably likened to tf2 because of the simplified class based thing it's doing. But this just feels too damn simple. You're too constrained by your character, you're simply not meant to win against hard counters whereas in tf2 with a bit of work you could triumph.

Not any, just those wanting to talk about . FO4 were just as bad.

Oh come off it. If you post a thread about an indie game, you get called a shill as well. This shit is becoming ridiculous.

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Please go back to 4chan.

Should we start posting gone homo and depression quest threads? Those are video games too.

Kill yourself retard.
If you don't have anything productive to say shut your fucking mouth.

Because 90% of indie games are pixelart hipstershit, so that's perfectly fine.

You're game a shit fag

See that's just fucked up because the game becomes who can counterpick more than the other. Just doesn't feel like an fps.

I guess I only have myself to blame for expecting something different from this company.

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People were massively against Undertale after the first two or so Generals but (((somebody))) refused to ban Undertale generals regardless.

No, it's always like that with AAA shilling - the shit game gets threads and people "TALK TALK and TALK" about it, mostly porn dumps and other stupid shit with zero gameplay discussion other than "this game is so shite m8" and yet those very same fags buy and play it (picrelated). And those numerous threads existed while almost no threads were made about good stuff like Underrail and even those were shitposted bu undermeme retards, those were b& though. Same with most le indie shit games - if it's shit it get flamed, if the game is good the thread lives despite the game looking not so well, Rabi-Ribi is a good example, the game looks bad pixelated and weeabubait but has really nice gameplay and nice music.
There're no assfaggots thread, there's no need for AAA shill threads either, those need to die. Also learn when and how to sage

Those fuckers should have been b& too, I was pretty outspoken about it at the time.

Additionally, if (((people))) just wanted to talk about the game without getting told to get the fuck out for having shit taste there's always Reddit or the official forums.

So what do we do, then? Plug our ears and not talk about videogames on a board for videogames?

You can't really rip into something elsewhere on the Web, everyone just prefers an echo chamber.

cons:it's too slow, really really needs to be rebalanced, and I hope you like really bad pubs. like crazy bad. it's hard to take it even remotely seriously with how shit some of the guns are.

pros:all those widowmaker asses and cold waifu for days. great in short "i just got off work fuck you" bursts. has alot of real charm to graphics and banter. also the more offbeat characters like rollernigga and cold waifu are actually pretty fun mechanics wise and the stuff like that is where it shines.
mercy is the worst girl.

What did I expect?

Games good, though each character individually feels shallow to play. The depth is there across the roster.

Roadhog, Pharah, Torbjorn, Genji, Reinhardt and Zenyatta have been my go-to picks. It's hilarious how many Bastion defenses I've picked apart, thinking they're invincible, with Pharah at all ranges.

Also fuck the team builder for saying each team needs a sniper, it just gives people a licence to lock in 2 Hanzo and a Widowmaker every match. More fodder for Pharah I guess.

Went on 4chans Holla Forums, motherfuckers got 6 overwatch threads.

I expected people to have more taste and tell OP to fuck off with at least more than ninety percent of posts doing so.

If you want to discuss shit games, go to their forums and/or Reddit. You're not welcomed here or we'll get swarmed by cancer like what happened in halfchan.

my friend gave me a beta key and its ok. nothing special really and i wouldnt pay more than 15 $ for it if its your type of game. its very shallow and i could see it getting old quickly as its so repetitive.

Based on how aggressively these threads are being posted and how they always have a (1) OP with no post history on the rest of the board, I'm quite sure we're being swarmed with marketers.
Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done about it.

Yes there is. Sage bomb it to death, kick them out.
If we keep having these shill threads mods will let us pull a Fallout 4 on them, but we can't at the moment.

it looks boring, slow and full of stupid crap like "wallhacks" as abilities.
i understand some people don't want to get destroyed in competitive FPSes but when you turn them into this sort of mess its just not interesting.

ET Legacy is the community maintained version of it, play it sometime.

the thing is most of these threads probably are made by shills and most of the people talking in favor of it are likely shills as well. the OP hasn't even made a reply in his own thread yet, why'd he make the thread at all? plus the other Overwatch thread hasn't even hit 300 posts yet.

if you want something fast you could play Warsow or Xonotic for free, i think everyone who plays Warsow has been playing it for years though.

Dva is cute.

THAT'S NOT SYMMETRACAL

I see your point. Though I don't understand the fear of marketing. I know I can spot a shitty game when I see it, and most likely you can too. The people who'd buy these games probably won't be swayed in an environment such as this one, and the vast, vast majority of consumers don't visit this board. Why defend them? Let them get burned, it's the best way to learn.

Accepting marketing for bad games leads to accepting people with bad taste which leads to disasters such as the Undertale crowd shitting all over the board. You wouldn't want constant threads about some kind of MLP game here either for the same reason.

Posted like a true shill.

What said
Although with Undertale it had another problem.
Undertale was actually good and praised here when the demo came out and even the first month of it's release, however, furfags and cancer autist would ruin the threads to the point that everyone here would hate Undertale.

You see, the difference between Undertale and Overwatch is that at least, you can enjoy Undertale for seven hours and move on, you can't enjoy Overwatch due to how bad the game is.

On top of that, answering your question, it is because if we let them think it's ok to have this kind of threads and shit taste by ignoring them or "protecting freedom and no censorship" we get a board filled with kids and tasteless faggots that will swarm the board and kill it. This already happened to halfchan, this is why we left, because there was no videogames and the only vidya it had were AAA shit or autist bait also fuckload of censorship when calling someone out and bans

None of the "girls" in this game are cute.

After playing it for 2 hours i can safely lay down a "shit gaem" veredict.

Its like they took each character from TF2 and broke it down to the very basic mechanics, then made one character out of each basic gameplay concept.

It even gave me an itch to play TF2 again.

got an early beta key from a friend who preordered
I'm having enough fun with it, probably going to get it when it comes out.

Are you deaf?

that's a funny way to spell tracer

I remember the UT release. Good times while it lasted.

You know, now that you mention it, 'shill' is probably the new 'faggot'. I'm okay with this.

But still, this game's damn disappointing right now. Obviously, they had to omit a server browser because fuck building a community.

This is so sad. The porn is not even good.

Shills is one thing, faggot another. But they usually go together funny enough.

I'd put my penis inside of her, gookdog or not.

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No, everyone go looks forward for shit AAA games and says how he's going to buy it is a shill.

I'm not trying to make you buy it. if you don't like the game you can fuck off.

I like the game though, so I'm going to talk about it and post porn of it.

And everyone who looks forward to an indie game
And everyone who says a AAA game looks shit because negative attention is better than no attention
And everyone who says an indie game looks shit for the same reason
And everyone who doesn't have an opinion on a game yet because if they weren't a shill they'd know it was shit, except they're also a shill if they know it's shit because negative attention again
What it basically comes down to is the only non-shills the board has seen in months are people who post exclusively in 4am and waifu wednesday threads because they aren't about videogames and that's the only way to not be shilling something.

How about going elsewhere to talk about it then, mate?

just filter the autist and not use up posts "debating" him.

Wow, textbook example of shill. There were more than enough good replies of why that shit needs to stop, no, gotta earn shekels from my jewzzard overlords!

I now feel bad for bumping this thread seeing how it's op has exactly one post in it.
Live and learn.

I play warsow occasionally.

tbh the weirdest thing about this is there is not smnc style map or mode, when I think that'd be what would best fit how the game is built.

Going to download and play it today just to get some of my friends to shut the fuck up about it.
Can't wait to try out this bland and boring shoot nukems.

An indie game you can see, maybe, one shill or two POSTS tops
But when AAA happens, you don't see only one or two, they swarm. Even if it's only one shill, they switch IP with NO fucking previous posts in Holla Forums, that's not fucking coincidence. When even the mods says and point astroturfers out being shills, that's not coincidence either.
You just don't know what the fuck is a shill because you're a retard.

Only marketers can be this retarded.

Scratch that.
I Ain't downloading 6.5Gbs of shootan waifu garbage just to say it's shit.

What's even the point of giving him skates

Cosmetic or substantial?

Are we going to be spending 49.99 US Hearthbux each season on packs of Titanfall style buff cards, or are you just mad about fancy tits?

Well, I played the beta some, and I can't say I enjoy it any particular, maybe I'm just bored of 'team fortress' games completely.
I have 2776 hours on TF2, stopped a few years ago tho when the cancer became overwhelming

Here are some random points I guess;

It seems they put a lot of effort into trying to balance all the gorrillion classes but as usual sniperfaggots ruin everything like in any game with sniper rifles ever and it doesn't feel like a certain class is undoubtedly better than another, which is commendable.

It runs really good, no shitty optimization as far as I can tell.

Some characters are a bit cringy, and some look straight out of tumblr, but whatever.

Gameplay is exactly what you'd expect, team fortress 2 but with new classes, abilities and elements..
And a lot of the exact same classes, abilities and elements copied directly out of tf2 basically, but hey it works.

You can only spray pre-made sprays, gay as hell

That's about all I can think of atm.
I won't be buying it, but it ain't a bad game by any means.

I think they said somewhere you'd be able to buy boxes (which you get from playing the game anyway)

so it's just cosmetics

come on

Embed unrelated. Someone please confirm Derek Duke didn't actually write any of this music.

where the hell is the damage on dvas cannons? why does she have 0 self sustain? not even shields. i hope the game changes before release

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Kind of depends what's in the boxes, no?

the snipers in this one are ridiculously easy, nearly completely lacking the traditional weaknesses of snipers

So, is Diablo III community great? What about COD community? Maybe WoW community is one of the best too? Price tag doesn't matter when it comes to community, your point is moot.

Seriously, when will you stop spreading this bullshit.

The game is marketed to CHILDREN and casuals.
Yet they use that shitty excuse.

i've never played Nexuiz, i just started getting into Xonotic not too long ago. is there a reason to include it? from what i understand the development is dead and the developers forked it to make Xonotic because the founder tried to make it a commercial game.

Is it you fags doing full Reinhardt teams and MAGA?

Don't remind me of this, I miss going behind enemy lines and spraying a shit ton of gay furry porn

This whole site is full of retards.

Nigger, where the fuck do you think you are?

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Dark souls III is actually good and there is actual discussion about it, not just porn or shilling.
In fact, there's a lot of them with the game pirated who still posts there.

I was unfairly razzing you there. When Nexuiz was released commercially there was a lot of hostility toward it from the Xonotic community because the developers weren't supposed to fork it into a for-profit release. I don't recall the specifics but there was a shit ton of salt poured on what turned out to be a great game. This was made worse by an absolutely terrible open beta and the game then going offline for a very long time as company bullshit got sorted out.

After playing a couple of matches I don't get why I someone would play it over Unreal Tournament or Quake. It's slow as fuck and all these classes could just have been a gun in a normal fps.

As I said, all retarded.

The game could actually be pretty good if it weren't so damn slow.

ITT: Shills v Shills 2: Revenge of the shitposters

Nice rebuttal. I'm totally beaten.

i like the overall idea but i think being locked in to 6v6 is not so great

I don't get all the hate surrounding this game. I's either: OMG 40 bucks lol or TF2 clone.

It's nothing like TF2 and the price tag keeps retards and kids out of the game.

Why can't people stop spouting their bullshit. I don't trashtalk games i am not interested in or dislike. I just ignore it.

you must not be from around here

I gotta agree, it also needs fewer stuns and less aoe abilities. I'm enjoying it but it's not a solid shooter, it's got too much Dota influence.

It's okay. It has it's moments, but like a lot of team-based shooters, it is easy to have a bad time due to inept teammates which you get really frequently right now, especially if you want/ need to play a healer. That said it does feel great when something works out in your favor. Also:

Parents buy their kids games all the time and how hard is it for a retard to walk into Wal-Mart and point at an overwatch case? It just keeps poor kids and poor retards out of the game.

all Blizzard shills need to be genocided

i dont feel like the stuns are that big of a deal, the heals seem way too powerful though

around 3 hours in, probably going to try a bit more during open beta but at the moment I don't see me buying the game.
I haven't had a single close or interesting game yet, heroes are so fucking slow, even Tracer is not nearly as fast as I hoped she would be.
Gun play is okay'ish, gun models too big.
Map design is nice, verticality is nice - that you can't utilize it with a lot of heroes without running for half an hour sucks.
Interface is disgustingly cluttered and all the on screen effects and indicators for powers (press E!!!) makes it even worse.

Probably going to stick with forever beta Dirty Bomb for my FPS fix.

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by not being fast user.

it feels a lot faster than any shooter where you arent bunny hopping everywhere

I think people wanted Overwatch to be an Arena shooter, so they expect it to be as fast as Xonotic, which its no where near but it is defo faster than CoD47

I am thankful for this game's existence, but only for the porn it inspired.

People are actually delusional enough to believe stuff like this.

Do not sexualize Mercy.

Pick any of those games and you won't find more than 6-12 people playing in all of north america and your ping will be 150. Don't spread misinformation.

Reminder

They dont know any better yet

Go home, Cliffy.

Huh? Tons of people playing Lucio, he's the best healer and one of the best characters in the game. Other healers need to step up.

Is that her skin before the decided they needed a token danger color haired dyke?

No. That's a fan recolour.
Zarya's hair has always been pink.

All future heroes and maps will be freed, have they stated anyway.

When was this Screen Shot taken? I changed from that steam icon like 2 months ago lol

See, Blizzard, I was kind of excited for a while! I do like buying the occasional casual online shooter! Then I realised you wanted me to pay not only full price, but 25% more than other regions for a game that could be dead or have a sequel within two years.

You get a loot box every level. I'm level 15 and have shitloads of the rarest skins.

It's:
Emotes
Skins
Sprays
Voice Lines
Player of The Game Intro Animations

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They should've just made one of her winter coat skins the default look for her. It's beyond superior to anything else she has going for her visually.

when will Aussies and Euros stop bringing this up? this is because your own government wants to fund a bunch of "free" welfare diversity bullshit.

Okay, so I have about 4k hours in TF2, and I've played that game competitively for years. I'd say I'm pretty qualified to say what is good and bad about Overwatch:

Good:

Bad:

Bad, Cont:
>TF2 has something called "respawn waves," what happens when you die is you get put into the next respawn wave with your team, which is usually composed of 3-4 people (on a 12v12 server). This creates a kind of flow to the game, allowing pushes to have more effect because 4 of them are going to be dead for the next 10 seconds. Overwatch uses an individual respawn timer, and it's about 7-8 seconds per person. This can again cause balance problems. If the enemy team just killed you, everyone is going to go rushing out of spawn one at a time, only to be killed one at a time because they're going to be 1-2v6 every single time. Respawn waves wouldn't fix the rushing mentality, but it would really, REALLY help in controlling player behavior

Overall, I'd say it's like a 3-4/10. It's really great fun for a while, but it's just the hype and the fact that it's something different. The fun quickly dissolves and is replaced by you going "what the fuck was that, why did I die?" or "how could we have lost that?" Literally the only good thing about Overwatch is the porn.

They really need a "get on the objective!" line. I could have sworn it was there in closed beta.

Oh, I forgot to add:

Fuck you you faggot nigger ass munching baby rapist

Every decent game has waves. It's fucking horse shit that Overwatch doesn't have that, it would fix a lot of issues.

people might take pol posters seriously if they could stop hyperbolising for a single second

I actually liked the game. Especially d.va character. Reminds me Burning Force heroine from sega genesis.

I want to play this so badly and it's making me sick. Can I recover? am I hopeless?

The game being $40 USD is still absurd for a multiplayer only shooter with absolutely no other potential.

video games aren't worth more than 30 dollars

She's the best character.
Not waifuism, I mean in terms of disrupting the other team, getting kills and then disappearing.

How many modes are they? currently at 20%

she still makes a good waifu

I agree with most of these.
The only time I'll play Overwatch is when I have 2 other friends with me or a full team.
Playing with pubs are cancer because everyone's retarded.

It's always satisfying to flashbang-fan combo her.

mccree is an awful character and you should feel bad for playing him

:^) The piles of dead tracers, widowmakers and hanzos beg to differ.

How did they do this? Where i can learn this magic?

Just like demoman or if you want to go back to the days of Thresh in Quake 1. He was splash damage beast.

Widowmaker, Bastion, Mccree, Zenyatta
Mercy heals faster than Pharah can dps.
Bye bye, Pharah.

Tanks charge via blocking. Ulting a shield isn't smart.

They're easy to avoid.

Flank them. Every choke has flanking routes. Now they need to decide which direction to deal with. And then they will die.

Get in close. Avoid and flank.

The dragon one?

Why would you get that close? She can still do great damage from midrange. The moment you're starting to slow down, fucking blink or recall. It's not rocket appliances.

What? Winston is my goto mccree killer. Put your shield and do a dance going in and out of your shield. Circle strafe.

The game is designed to have you switch characters often depending on the situation.

Haven't had this problem.

It has to turn to shoot you and I regularly kill them with pharah by letting just a bit of the sentry be visible and shooting from there. Or splash damage. It still has to turn. It turns quickly, but it is turning. I guess I don't fully understand this one.

It's a different game. Get a Lucio.

This is a valve meme, they used it with dota 2 as well. It doesn't make a difference.

Look at your health next time.

Practice until you're more consistent. You're fluking often from all the nubs.

I already addressed this one.

I could see this being a problem if you only played with bots but people with a brain in their skull tend to wait for the team.

The capture points aren't too big.

No they don't.

Overwatch is shit, there's no denying it.

oh man blizzard is shilling this shit HARD around here

I told him why he is wrong.

Originally I wasn't going to fucking even install or try the beta, but then my friend KK was playing it and so I felt obligated to back him up. It's a pretty decent arcade style shooter, it's not on par with ASSFAGGOTS as far as complexity goes and feels like a Heroes of the Storm version of Smite, which is unsurprising since Blizzard made HOTS. So it's a retard-friendly game where builds do not exist, and your outcome is entirely dependent on team play instead of who snowballs early on from too many kills or creep score.

So far I'm not particularly enjoying playing as offense heroes, they're too squishy and the only hero who has any real mitigation is Tracer with her dodge, otherwise you gotta rely on ducking behind a wall to heal, which feels like a COD game (considering it's Activision's franchise, well…).

I dunno if I'll be picking this up when it goes into actual release, some people are theorizing it'll go f2p in a few months anyway, I kind of doubt it though, cause people would say that about Diablo III and it's not f2p.

Mercy is my favorite hero, with D.Va and Bastion coming in second, and Reinhardt as a close third.

I still don't think this is worth $40 though. But being that all my friends are picking it up, I might end up caving and buying it anyway.

Where do you buy your crack rock. That shit must be amazing.

No shit. It's not a MOBA

Play with Level 10 and below. See how that fares for you.
Hell, even at Level 20, people still act retarded.

I was speaking from a mechanical point of view, from someone who knows about game design, level design, and has played games competitively.

This game will be as dead as Evolve in a month.

If you are not fighting together with every single person on your team, you will die. There doesn't really seem to be any other way to play the game other than the entire team being grouped together.

builds exist in mobas

This

Unless someone uses an ultimate

Yeah.
It's important to have Winstons and Tracers cause they disrupt enemy teams and cause them to scatter.
If you're not pushing together, you're dead meat though.
I've lost so many fucking games cause NOBODY waits for their goddamn teammates. They think they can one-man army this shit.

Can I play this with a controller?

Why?
Well whatever. Yes, you can play it with a controller.

lel wut

Yeah and when SFV came out I went 15-0 because everyone sucked. Same deal.

I addressed his questions from a mechanical point of view.

I addressed his points from a mechanical point of view.

That means nothing to me.

Time will tell.

No shit. What's your point?

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shit like pic related is exactly why I don't join any groups with you fuckers in it

Not to mention 20 tickrate and autoaim with lack of unofficial servers and balance. Yeah, paywall totally going to make this game worthwhile and community will be one of the best. I mean Evolve, the most active MP FPS game with the greatest community, is the best example of it.

I just hope this shit going to die in less than 1 month.

It won't die. Because aesthetics and designs are sale point. Evolve didn't had shit.

Not to mention blizzard are the best shills around here, they will still find a way to sell it.

Are you seriously upset that Holla Forums actually plays the games that it complains about?

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Thread already shit from beginning.

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no, I'm upset some faggots think it's ok to out people for playing games that said faggots don't approve of.

according to Xonotic's FAQ:

link to FAQ xonotic.org/faq/

do you mean the CryEngine remake? it looks OK but not really incredible.

come play some of these games i mentioned in if you want that.
i think some companies think it deters pirates or some shit. they probably also leave it out because it takes more effort and they don't think it improves their bottom line.

depends on which game, Xonotic has something like 400-450 players in the world according to this stats.xonotic.org/ i seriously doubt north america only accounts for 12 of them.
also theres pickup matches on private servers in Xonotic, those are set up on IRC

AssaultCube and Sauerbraten tend to have a good amount of people in public games, dunno if a lot of them are north americans or what.

i'm not so sure about the rest since i don't play them as much or at all, they're free multiplayer FPSes that i know of.
if its a north american server? probably not
what misinformation?

these games have no marketing budget really because they're free. surprise, they have small communities.

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dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=xonotic
Fucking nobody is playing it.

I couldn't find a server list for assault cube but there won't be more than 20. Where can I find it?

You spam every FPS thread with these dead fucking games for months now. I bet you weren't even cum when Quakeworld was in its prime.

installing now, i'm annoyed i had to download this app but at least it was quick

i honestly kind of hope i hate this game just so i don't feel reason to give blizzard money

any dank advice from people who've been in this longer than me before i go hop into the pubs and make a fool of myself?

Pre-order cancelled.

There is no goddamn long-term game here. What am I doing this crap for? Sprays? Poses? How about a goddamn better gun?

Sure, TF2 is hat-fucking-tacular, but it still has a diversity of gameplay-shifting weapons that you can work towards. Even HotS has a more effective progression system that lets you choose your playing style. Overwatch is the same shit over

and over

and over

and over again. The gameplay is an orgasm of casual spray and praying, and death is completely meaningless. Go have half your team be Tracer, who gives a shit. You die? You'll be back in a few seconds to bash your head against the wall again.

Fucking Christ, I'm going to go reinstall Insurgency.

lmao

I want to see the genre make a comeback with the energy and uniformity of something parallel to idtech, but holy fuck.

Continue spreading the good word user.

For fun?

man i'm not trying to defend this game, but shooters didn't have to feed the player some kind of reward other than their own victory for a long time

Как там русские "имейджборды"? Все вымерли?

confirmed for never playing arena shooters
git gud

Smarten up.

70% мертво 30% дыхание

Try Tribes or Overdrive.

Клоны Тиреча или Боброчан ещё дышит?

has anyone mentioned how ultimates are only there so shitty players can feel like they can be helpful every once in a while? Most ults boil down to learning what the actual area of effect is and lining it up with enemies to get a triple kill. Don't get me started on the ones that aim for you.

also why the hell can't I change my FOV? Why are there no community servers? Why is the tickrate low? Why are there no custom sprays? If I wanted a console FPS I would have bought an xbox.

You could try not giving a shit and living like your own man. It's easy, watch:

I PLAYED UNDERTALE. OVERALL, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD.

The reasoned, well constructed critique which appears on Holla Forums, as opposed to the aimless, uninformed shitposting, comes from people who actually play games. The person who took that screencap can fuck right off, but it shouldn't deter you from doing what you want. In doing so, you're buying into a fear that, in a way, roundabout validates that shitter's position. By acting like people shouldn't play the games he doesn't like in the first place, rather than formulating their own opinions about them, and then "shaming" people who do, pretending like it makes them hypocritical, he's attempting to exert his own will over the rest of Holla Forums, by pretending that there's a set of games that we're "allowed" to play.

Holy fuck, that run-on sentence, though.

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Hilariously, lots of people have been talking about how the ults are too powerful.

yeah the ults are pretty egregious, play of the game is normally some fag on the back line pressing q and getting a few kills

they really made this the most accessible FPS i've ever played, and at the obvious cost of most of its depth

There's definitely a way to change FOV in the settings; I just changed it earlier today. Can't remember which it is, but it's definitely there.

Fucking agreed on the ults though. It's irritating when some jagoff gets to feel special with the "play of the game!" clip at the end of the match just because he happened to press q next to a few guys.

This janitor knows how to get ez porn.

D3's community is full of autistic try-hards who don't talk to anyone, attention whore streamers, and people who try to exploit the current season for a non-existing reward to justify their lives.

In other words, no. Diablo 3's community is terrible.

Боброчан мертво незна Тиреча

Oh, guess I just have terrible luck then.

Fuck this game, OP.
Guess Holla Forums will have to deal with this shit until both DOOD and Cuckwatch gets released.

He must be experienced, learned how to get porn by exploiting the faggatory of contrarians. Thats some entry level social engineering.

I got this one

I know what you're saying, but my main problem with this is that the entire point of joining those groups is to potentially join up for gaming sessions, if faggots do shit like this, it can ruin the chance of actually playing with people

Nice fucking rigatoni you fucking calzone. Fucking manicotti ass pants. Looks fucking great you stupid shit. Al panchinko guiseppe Alfonzo mario fuck head.

use your fucking noodle

Retards can't break Anubis offense for shit. How the fuck can I carry pubbies on Anubis offense?

Scecco

>Ricitello

Put a sniper up above in view of the point
Have winston go around back
Attack frontal with the tank

High Noon

Probably long overdue, but if you play support you'll always get upboats and gold medals for extra exp. Lucio is piss easy and also the most effective support having great healing and support through speed boosts and his ult shield. Mercy is really fucking good if you're good and can keep tabs on your teammates since you can heal or pump damage buffs into one member at a time but since you can fly to teammates in your line of sight you have a great amount of mobility. Mercy's ult is game changing as well as it's a full party res. Zenyatta is kind of shit. He's really offensive in his support as his discord orb makes that enemy take 50% extra damage and his LMB is really fucking good. His single healing orb is kind of meh. Symmetra isn't even a support, but she's really good to know. If it's a defensive round slap your turrets down, give everyone shields, and when you get your ult put it somewhere close to the front lines without being easily accessible by enemies. RMB bypasses shields and LMB shreds anyone dumb enough to get close to you. She's closer to a defense character than a support.

the problem with mercy is if your teammates are unattentive youre fucked if they decide to throw a winston, tracer etc at you. with zenyatta you can drop them pretty damn fast if they get cocky. as well as heal from a much longer distance

Only played one match so far as Phara.

If you get good at her she's really fucking good in a lot of places.

Lucio is as good as it gets for tard wrangling. You don't have to watch everyone like Mercy has to.

The balance is shit. Offensive characters don't do nearly enough damage. The tankier you are the better because of it. Seeing Roadhog die in a match at all is something worth celebrating.
And in a game where everyone is this spongy I cannot forgive RNG based weapon spread. Dying because weapon spread RNG fucked you over is casual garbage.
The only thing worthwhile in this unbalanced shitshow is the porn.

Mercy is fucking dumpster tier if you don't have a microphone and/or are with exceptionally stupid pubbies, you spend forever healing people up in the hopes they'll push and then they just fall back and wait to run in until you've given up on them to try buffing the next guy. Lucio at least you can just passively let the others heal and try to accomplish things on your own with his mediocre sound blaster. Zenyatta is kind of in the middle of the two where he needs to pay more attention for the healing but can make shit happen easier with discord orbs but I think he just has way too little health, he dies to a single bodyshot from widowmaker and two from most other weapons. I don't get why his health is so low, his healing and offense don't feel good enough to be worth being that squishy.

wew

dying in one shot to windowmaker is shit, but consider that most of his health is shields so he regens it pretty fast if hes not taking damage

Unfortunately that's not why the majority left. That was due to Moot crossing the line with his actions.
Most anons for one reason or another don't have the stomach to move anywhere else for the reason of better discussion alone.

Let's list of OP characters:

Reaper
Torbjörn with his turret if placed right
Hanzo and his ultimate

Servers need to be at a 128 tick rate and not some shitty 20 tick rate. I keep getting kills when the enemy goes around the corner and same with me getting killed around corners.

There is no way to pick a specific region and/or specific game type. Everything is blended together with some shitty matchmaking and can easily get stacked against you.

Also Pharah's ultimate comes way too often and can be abused. Fuck that shit.

bad spotted

I came into this wanting to hate it, but I actually kinda like it. Not enough to drop $40 on it, but maybe I'll pick it up in the future if it goes on sale.

The TF2 comparison doesn't make much sense because TF2 has a much much higher skill ceiling, and the classes are (complaints about the retarded direction of some post-vanilla weapons aside) much better designed with less overlap. Whereas Overwatch is a clusterfuck of 21 overlapping gimmick heroes. It's much closer to a MOBA in this aspect, where there isn't as much room for individual skill to influence the game, and it's more about making sure you know how everything works.

The problem with TF2 is that there is this huge gap between how the pubs play and how the "pros" play. The vast majority of the audience wants to be sandvich heavy xD or similar. They try matchmaking, get their asses handed to them, and never come back. So it leads to this split userbase of retarded children in pubs and autistic teenagers in comp. I don't think Overwatch will have this problem because they're shooting for 6s-style play from the start, not trying to force it into a game that wasn't intended to be played that way.

The game feels really slow compared to TF2. At first I was thinking that the meta would develop around heroes that have the best movement + DPS combination, like in TF2, but honestly with how long it takes to cap points I'm not sure that will matter. Not really my cup of tea but I can deal with it.

My only real complaint with Overwatch is the weird mouse smoothing they've got going on. It really needs an option to turn that off, I can't aim for shit when my aim is tweening around like a Flash animation. I hope a lot of people bitch about it after the open beta.

Also, this goes without saying, but after you get used to it, play with friends or at least a group from here. Solo queue is never enjoyable in team games that rely heavily on cooperation.

If people aren't dying commend your support or kill theirs. It's as simple as that. If you want to see Roadhogs die use Reaper or if you're on defense Torbjorn or Bastion. Offense for the most part means flanker.

Torbjorn is the only one of those three that's even remotely difficult to play around, and even then you just go Widowmaker or Hanzo and snipe the turret. Also
Nigga move to the left. If you're in a building that's about to get eaten get the fuck out of the building when you hear [incoherent Japanese screaming]. Hanzo's ult is really only a problem when it's playing crowd control for a Junkrat ult or when paired with a Zarya ult. Otherwise it's simply crowd control.

Well fuck you too Blizzard.

Hanzo's ultimate keeps it damage through multiple walls. Pretty OP

i havent noticed any mouse acceleration.

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It has no damage its an instant kill but the thing moves really slow

the "problem" with hanzos ult is if you can hear it coming but you have no idea where hes aiming it, and if youre in a small building and you see dragons come to eat you its already too late. but that just means hes using it right. its definitely one of the better ults, reliable and safe area denial.
hanzo in general is just really fucking good, both snipers are.

its not actually an instant kill. its essentially the killer wail from splatoon

Game feels pretty alright. Right now with the open beta there's tones of people that go rambo and play solo death match no matter the mode but its pretty fun when you get at least 2 other people on your team working together. Probably worth getting when there's a sale.

damn you "play of the game". yeah lets show junkrat getting a double kill instead of the winston going ape shit and throwing 3 invincible people off the map

am i shit or is d'va useless? her mech is seemingly made of paper and her mechs guns shoot little tickle bullets

She's not great, she's meant to be a flanker basically. Boost has a short cooldown and knocks people out of the way, and she has an easy time popping up beside you and shredding. She's not particularly useful outside of that though. Mech's actually the toughest thing in the game IIRC, the problem you may be having is her large head hitbox, which any good player can probably nail.

I want to wear D.va's used panties on my head and sniff her pee stains

FINAL VERDICT
Price only reasonable on a big sale.
Game is mediocre with a heft amount of polish put in to make it seem better than what it really is.
6.5~/10

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that explains it, i didn't realize the mech had a headzone

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yes because anyone gives a fuck what you say

dva is pretty terrible. she does dick for damage and has a tremendous hitbox. defense matrix is pretty cool but once thats down shes kind of terrible. shes pretty good at dislodging a troublesome turret with her ult though.
she wouldnt be so terrible if she had some regenerating shields, or more accurate cannons, or if she didnt get slowed so damn much while shooting. seriously, her pistol is a better weapon.
supposedly shes meant to harass the back line but her being pretty much melee range means people will just walk away and whittle her down.

It's decently fun, I guess. It's not fucking worth £45 though, Blizzard can fuck right off thinking they can charge this much, plus the inevitable DLC/Microtransaction bollocks that will obviously be added on.

That's the general consensus judging from the posts ITT dumb nigger

As someone who played 5k hours of TF2:

I played a bit of Overwatch and there is something missing.

The whole game feels… meh. The balance is fucking shit. Turrets and Symmetra's sentries feel way too strong, especially in payload maps.

Also why the fuck isn't there a hero limit? Why is it possible to get 4 Tjorbörns in the same team?

I guess it's back to TF2 for me. Just another shitty game in Blizzard's recent lineup.

What's the payment plan for this game? DLC cosmetics and heroes?

They don't have one, yet.

Base game is $40.
No idea when the cash shop is going to be added, however everything is going to be cosmetic.
Maps/Heroes/Non-Cosmetic content will never be paid DLC; it was also come in the form of free content patches.

AFAIK it doesn't use RawInput, it uses the standard Windows cursor system, so if you have mouse acceleration turned off in the Windows control panel, you don't get any mouse acceleration.

What I'm talking about is smoothing the mouse inputs when they are used to aim your character. If you make a 90 degree turn in one linear movement, instead of a constant rotation speed, it will start turning slowly for a few frames, reach the constant speed, and then rev back down at the end of the movement. You turn the same amount, but it takes a few extra frames to do so and also takes direct control away from the player. Newbies and plebs think it "feels smooth", but it completely fucks the aim of anyone used to having perfect control of their character.

There are various cosmetics that can be found or purchased with an in game currency. They will probably add a way to purchase in game currency with real money at some point. I don't see them taking the Valve system of user trading and ultra rare drops that people pay hundreds of IRL dollars for, but who knows.

Dropping the truth bombs ya'll
People focus on finding flaws in the games
People focus on comparing games to each other
What they do not focus on, is what matters the most

If you enjoy the game, you should play it. Bam, simple as fucking that.
Just because a random faggot on an anonymous forum claims he has played competitively for a billion hours and says negative things about certain games, doesnt mean you shouldnt be playing them. Playing competitively can be interpreted as doing a fucking job.
If you play a game for over few thousand hours, it wont be the same as the first 200 hours. After that it almost becomes a chore, but you keep doing it because it's all you know.
People forget why they play videogames. It's because we enjoy them.
Why are you people so obsessed in finding and spreading negative things about games just to disencourage people who havent tried the games yet, to make them ditch the games completely without even testing them out.
You people are the fucking scum in the video game industry.
So what if you think some game is a clone of something else?
So what if YOU dont like it? Someone else probably will, and there is nothing that makes your arguments more obsolete than opinions of other people.

Holla Forums is so full of fucking videogame elitists who've forgotten the essential idea of videogames
you people are doing a fucking chore, a chore to find and nitpick about everything in games you yourselves havent enjoyed

Look. Person A likes Fallout 4. Person B likes Call of Duty. You dont like either games but its not your fucking mission to cry to these people why you dont like them.
No game is perfect and you should fucking know it. Games are aimed for a demographic, but it often boils down to people's personal tastes.
A 40 year old adult can like a game aimed for 5 year olds, and there is nothing wrong with that.

So fucking stop with the fucking bullshit how others shouldnt play games you dont like.
Keep playing your "superior games" and shut the fuck up.
Go play fucking Minecraft and let the other half enjoy their Terraria.

I also enjoy driving around in a Ferrari, that doesn't mean I can justify the cost of it.

There definitely is. I could tell + I tested it. Also when performance drops, it changes the amount of acceleration to double or some shit. It's not too noticable but it triggers my autism anyway.

I think what's funnier than shit is the supermajority of people calling Overwatch shit are the same people that love Valve shitting down their throat and still play TF2 even while in it's terminal state.

I would wager it's mostly TF2fags fearful that their game is going to fade into even more irrelevance as Overwatch envelopes the team-based shooter space.

videogames arent fucking ferraris you cocksucker
anybody can afford a 5-60 dollar game at all occasions

TF2 wont fade away for a long time, sure, eventually it will like every other game, but they dont have to be so fucking defensive about it

Overwatch and TF2 are completely different games and each have their own audience.
The players should cherish it, play the games they enjoy and stop the fucking fighting.

It offers nothing new for me.

I can see someone younger than I enjoying it greatly though.

This is pretty much what I noticed. All of the people shitting on Overwatch were the ones expecting this to be the next Team Fortress. In reality, this is pretty much Unreal Tournaments Assault mode with a lot of gimmicky characters.

what am i doing wrong

Are you using the primary fire or the secondary fire?

no

Fuck off newfag, you are the cancer killing video games

You aren't playing Hanzome :^)

"oh shit he's right, i better not give out any actual arguments back to prove him otherwise and just call him a newfag, maybe he'll stop"

remember you can follow up a shotty blast with a melee nearly instantly. if youre feely ballsy you can alt fire, hook, face shotty then melee. just remember to get the headshot

i'll give that a try, i feel like i'm seeing tracers run away from a shotgun blast to the face

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Are you baiting or are you seriously this much of a newfag?

i also remember hearing the stun time starts when the hook lands, so a max range hook wont give you as much time to blow their head off.
i dont know how true it is.

Even if you get the combo perfect they still can just backtrack as soon as their hooked to avoid all the shotgun damage since the stun wears off before you can shoot them. Pissed me off to no end last match, it's hard enough hitting the stupid cunt and when you do she can just negate it all anyway.

Ah shit, I see now. It seems so obvious! Oh you're so clever user.

I was making an analogy you fucktard.

No they can't. And even if they can that doesn't mean the money couldn't be better spent elsewhere.

also to add to that, I havent even played Overwatch, nor could I ever be a blizzdrone because I generally think their latest games arent that good, diablo 1, 2 and starcraft were their best IP's and after that it's gone downhill.

Overwatch is currently their only game I see having potential, aside from all the stupid hype and marketing, hopefully it sparks the company to make better games in the future.

I dont fanboy anything but PS1 era games, so you can fuck off with your "LEL VALVEDRONE BLIZZDRONE" bullshit

And you still havent argued anything back, meaning you have nothing smart to say

maybe so, but not unrealistic to say that its aimed in the general direction of the tf2 crowd

Kill yourself thanks

Or maybe you're just not worth the time and effort

what was the original intention of ">meme arrow" anyways?

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Either you don't know the definition of analogy or you're really fucking bad at making them.

Like?
Videogames are the simplest and one of the cheapest ways of entertainment
If you can't afford a 5 to 60 dollar game, that means your budget wouldnt allow purchasing of any equipment either.

Do you live in fucking Africa or something where you have to hunt your food or something?

I can easily spend over 400 dollars to whatever I want and still have enough money to buy food for a whole month.
What on earth could there be that you would find more enjoyable to purchase than videogames, if you're a gamer yourself?

Quoting

The fact this has to be explained to you means you gotta lurk more.

Don't be an idiot. Lurk more, use your head.

it was fucking sarcasm you dip
and still nothing but insulting
you people really fucking excel at arguments

classic Holla Forums and it's fucking retarded people

thats what its used for but thats not necessarily the original intention. after all we have quotation marks.

How does this game run on toasters?

It runs pretty well on Epic with QHD but I was wondering how well it's optimized for low end toasters

You're partaking in a circlejerk around videogames and say you don't have less than 5 minutes to spare to write things?

Oh I am deeply sorry Mr Goldfinger. You must be VERY busy man indeed.

RIP Holla Forums

Less being a retard more killing yourself

Literallly playing with integrated graphics

Everything blurry as fuck but you get good framerates and you can make things out

And here again with your own opinions
Fuck off will ya?

Sure I havent played the game yet, but yes, I say it looks promising. It has very colourful and interesting cast of characters, the artstyle is somewhat unique, the combat looks robust and i can see myself squeezing a few hundred hours of fun out of it. And these are just my opinions.
My opinions, not yours. Your opinions arent mine either, and neither are right or wrong. Understood?

AMD APU or Intel iGPU?

Please kill yourself before you accidentally breed

intel

I assumed your "quoting is a meme", to be towards my "le may may" comment, which was sarcastic
I havent went back on anything else I've said because I know I am fucking right.

You forcing your opinions on others. You're just a heap of shit withut nothing better to do, you know that?
Waiting for that "LEL TROLLED YOU XDDD" to pop out soon since you havent argued anything but only insulted people.

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oh boy…
It's like you're holding a giant sign saying:
LOOK AT ME, I DO NOTHING BUT TALK SHIT AND THINK IT'S SOMEHOW FUNNY
your attempts at this are like farts in the wind

where the fuck do you think we are?
Anonymous board, nobody has an identity and now we're supposed to justify our existence over here?
Either you people are
A. fucking delusional
B. fucking stupid
or C. just acting stupid

Does this game even have headshots?

Why wouldnt it?

Yes, though they're hardly necessary since everyone dies so fast already.

It does, but they're not insta kill. They do like 2x damage or somethign thereabouts.

Unless you're the sniper, then they are insta kill.

Apparently you don't.

noun, plural analogies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:
the analogy between the heart and a pump.

In the same way that enjoying a ferrari doesn't mean you can justify the cost of it, finding Overwatch slightly fun doesn't mean that it's worth the asking price.

Yeah and I'm sure anyone that buys comic books, goes to live events or fairgrounds, buys anything other than the cheapest store brand food or does anything else without min/maxing the cost to hour-of-enjoyment ratio is an idiot, right?

Life is a bit more complicated than finding the cheapest way to fill up your entertainment metre, you fucking robot.

Retard

Whoa, high roller here!

A better game for starters.

WHY

Anyone feel like maps are really unbalanced?

Most characters have headshots that cause double damage. Beam\Spray weapons don't have that.

A funny thing is that Soldier 76's Ulti, literal auto-aim, prevents him from getting headshots, since it automatically aims at people's torso. This means if you have proper aim, you can destroy him easily.

Widowmaker causes a large amount of damage, doubling that usually means instakill, unless you have some armor.

You have 2 different skins to fix that. One gives her a neat gothic look if you are into that, the other a full Siberian Parka outfit that completely hides her face and hair.

Got any example? So far they seem quite fine by me.
Unless you mean things like "It's hard to defend the first point but easy to defend the second", which is actually a design decision.

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In that the same side seems to be winning every map

This just made it really clear to me how little direct interaction there is with other players in this game, that kind of synergy should happen with everything, not just these weird edge cases where some things just happen to interact with each other because the devs probably forgot to remove it

Thanks for posting some literal who's twitter, we give a shit

You mean your team is always winning\losing? Well, get off the server and rejoin for different teammates.

Unless you mean "in this specific map, the defending\attacking force is always winning", in which case I'd like to know the map you are talking about.

I think I've tried almost all of them so far and it's 50/50 over wins and losses there. Most maps that require capturing 2 points have it very easy for the attacking team in the first one but the last one is horrible. Volskaya Industries or Gibraltar (the ice one, dunno which was it) for instance, has the last point being an incredibly fortress full of cool spots for Bastion, Tolbjorn\Snipers, and they spawn relatively close to it. Defending it is actually quite hard.

Incorrect. There are a lot of similar things. I'm willing to be Lucio can probably use his alt-fire to move the mech aside too, Groundhog can drag it with his hook, or even Zarya pulling it with her Ulti. Fuck, Groundhog can probably use his ulti to push it back against Dva.

I almost never play first person shooters. Any tips for aiming, or is it just practice?

Yes, there are a fair amount of things that can maybe affect that one specific thing
But can you say the same about much else? Especially if doing so would technically be friendly fire?

I can't say I fully understand what you are asking for. I mean, there's Lucio speeding up everyone else, there's Reinhart shielding a Bastion for free fire, there's putting Bastion\Turrets on top of the payload or moving platforms for death-on-wheels, there's Mercy flying against people, meaning a fast character like Lucio or Pharah can take her much further…

I mean, for a class-based shooter, what else are you expecting to find?

Lower sensitivity helps a lot. You get better control where you aim, which helps especially for sniper roles. It can suck for moving around faster, but you can get used to it.

When aiming, a nice trick that most people use is this: you aim at the level of someone's head but to their right\left, doesn't matter which. Then you stop moving your mouse and instead strafe sideways until they are beneath your crosshair. Or even better, if they are moving, put your crosshair to a side you know they will move to and wait for them to be under it.
Then fire.
It's easier to train yourself to react to someone under your crosshair than to twitch shoot everything with 100% aim.

Other than that, vantage points always help. Try to reach high ground as much as possible.
Also, after shooting, try to relocate. The other guy knows where you are and he will act on it.

Play CS

Hello mmo-champion shills

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More sandbox
The primary reason I don't see myself not playing much of this game is because it's all just so damn simple
Even CoD's had enough shit slapped onto it over the years to be more complex than this, and that's a sad state of affairs

Now that you mention it, I did bump it up slightly from the default. I know everybody is different, but what sensitivity do you think would be good? Just default?

Honestly I'd pick up a different game for that, given the aforementioned mouse problems in Overwatch currently. TF2 is excellent for this; Holla Forums loves to shit on TF2 but it honestly has the highest skill ceiling of any currently popular FPS. Quake III Arena/Quake Live is even better but there is no low level to the game, only pros that have been playing for over a decade. CS:GO is decent but it's mostly about pre-aiming to where you think the opponent is going to be, rather than tracking a player as they're moving around all over the place. It's really slow so you won't get as much practice in, and the unique recoil and spray mechanics don't transfer over to any other game. I wouldn't recommend it.

Specific tips:

Disable mouse acceleration, both in the Windows control panel and in the game itself if it supports Raw Input (which you should also enable; Overwatch lacks this). Without mouse acceleration, moving the mouse X inches, no matter how fast you do so, always rotates your view by Y degrees or moves your cursor by Z pixels. With acceleration, the amount you move depends on how fast you moved the mouse. Needless to say, you can aim a lot more reliably with it off.

Once you're used to that, lower your mouse sensitivity. You'd think that it would only benefit snipers, but in reality all classes benefit from more precise aiming. Lower it bit by bit, but what you should be aiming for is a sensitivity that is low but still sensitive enough that you can comfortably do a 180 without having to pick your mouse up.

Using lower sensitivity means that you will naturally start using more of your arm and less of your wrist to control the mouse. A larger mouse pad will help with this.

Play tons of Scout and Sniper in TF2 in pub servers 'til you start to get the hang of the game and your new setup, then join an MGE server. MGE is basically a deathmatch mod, where you play first to 20 kills against another player in a very small arena. You will get your shit kicked in, feel sweat drip from every pore in your body, and improve very very quickly playing against people in here.
If you're playing Counter Strike, the best analogue would be pistols only free for all deathmatch servers. They are absolutely terrifying at first, but you can get scarily good at on-the-fly headshots from hanging out in one for a bit.

Then you can transfer back to Overwatch and rage at the devs over the fucking mouse smoothing.

That's just pure aiming skill, but there are some (probably obvious) tricks you can do to help in practice. One is pre-aiming, anticipating where the enemy will be and getting your cursor there ahead of time, so that you only have to click on the guy when he appears. For projectiles, you might even pre-fire at a place where you think an enemy will pop out and catch him off guard. Related is getting a sense of how high off the ground the enemy's heads are, and keeping your mouse always at that position so that you get more headshots than body shots. CS:GO is better than TF2 for this, since very few weapons in TF2 do headshot criticals. Lastly, sometimes you don't want to aim where the enemy is, but where they're headed. There is no lag to hitscan weapons, they instantly hit anything you click on. But it's a lot easier to aim an inch ahead of someone and click on them as they pass over your cursor than it is to actively track them as they're moving. Accordingly, as you improve you should look for ways to make your movement less predictable so that people don't use this strategy against you.

Lastly lastly, practice basic survival techniques like knowing when to retreat and heal up, and never exposing yourself when you don't need to, and you'll be rewarded with much more uptime and opportunities to use and practice your aim.

I should add, never change the mouse sensitivity in the Windows control panel, always in the game itself, or you will get wonky movement where some pixels are skipped or some are doubled.

They need to make bigger maps and improve melee hit damage imo

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the play of the game does need work, sometimes it cuts half way through the "play"

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Oh definitely. One of Dunkey's Overwatch videos shows the play of the game being Dyrus placing a teleporter and nothing else happening, and another being Torbjorn placing a turret and dying. It's pretty funny when that happens but I can't deny that I get salty in the moment.

Dude soldier is the most pic related character in the fucking game. I don't think I've seen one actually earn a kill yet.

Holla Forums i played the beta and i had fun with it.
It reminded me of when we all used to play TF2 back in the day.
I had fun, i couldn't stop myself from having fun.
What can i do to repent from this sin?

Play it more, you'll probably get sick of it before the beta ends.

I killed the entire enemy team using one at the last ~5 seconds of a match, ending their overtime.

Thanks aimbot ultimate

look at this dork, playing video games and having fun

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what a faggot

how are you drawing fps?

1.1k hours into TF2

I think Overwatch has definitley become my favorite out of the two. Maybe TF2 has just gotten stale for me.

Being in a controlled 6v6 enviroment is much more enjoyable to me than being 12 players who dosent communicate with each other

Still a legit part of the game. It's not like Valve has finished their MM yet

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Shit character design
Shit map design
Definition of console port
6v6

4/10 wouldn't buy

same honestly, team fortress 2 is a husk of what it once was, only reason i kept playing was to micspam and get reactions while racking kills as soldier taunting. Got old.

works two ways faggot

He can at least spell though

Yeah.. Since when have you played TF2 and you had to do legit teamwork outside of a PCW or PUG?

i can certainly see people still preferring chaotic tf2 pubs in some cases.
these snipers are a bit harder to bully

I suppose it's nice to just fuck around in, but i dont feel like pub skill has grown a bit since 2007. Now i know 1000 hours is pretty meek for having owned the game since launch, but i'm topping the server i join in mostly any case in TF2.

never, competitive is alright but the game's balance is so wonky that it drives me away

remember kids, demo takes skill

When did Holla Forums get taken over by these cockgobbling newfaggots?

Been this way since summer of 2015

heads up
sometimes ill bail a game to play with friends, and now i have this warning that repeatedly leaving games early will result in a penalty.
jeeze really?

it has not

I already told you i think a thousand hours is pretty meek.

And i never told you that topping the server is impressive. I'm not even good at video games and i fare better in pubs than most of the other people i play with.

I was simply just telling you why i i like Overwatch more and that with my experience of TF2 i can safely compare the two.

Oh shit, wait, i got baited. 10/10 m8

Sorry can you repeat that minus the dick in your mouth?

I think you, my friend, are the one who sucks the largest dick around here.

stop, still a dick in your mouth

its called shitposting son

wew lad

Well, if anyone can get away with stupidity by claiming "it was just a shitpost!" then holy fuck. What are your actual opinions then?

I mean, obviously those opinions you wrote within your shitposts cannot be your real opinions then.

I actually like the game, but i am going to refrain from buying it due to Blizzard's history and "YOU THINK YOU WANT IT BUT YOU DON'T" attitude

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Fair enough.
Some might argue that "It's not the WoW team that's making Overwatch" but at the same time, i understand that you're still giving money to the same people.

As with Nostalrius, atleast they're going to have a meeting about it.

I believe that people can change, and i really hope Blizzard does for the best.

By no means am i a Blizz-drone. I dont buy all of their products nor pump my money into their f2p games. I just have very fond memories of my childhood with them.

What a stupid piece of shit

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Could have just as easily have been blizzard saying people should be happy with the existing map rotation when everyone hates it, or blizzard saying D2 changes are unnecessary. Or that hearthstone doesn't need seasons.

But who knows the working of a cockgoblin's mind

I wouldn't count on it

And that's exactly why i said 'believe'

Greed does stuff to you man.

ITT: Shitposting general

The think that struck me most about this is how slow it is. Even when playing Tracer it still feels glacial. Shes really the only character I can stand because at least you can blink around and do something sort of fast.

I think its better than Heroes of the Storm is when compared to Dota. But I think like HotS, SC2 and Hearthstone, the game looks shiny and has great polish but lacks the depth and intricacy to make a game that actually lasts.

Also holy shit are the characters bland and lifeless. Considering you had this total mish mash of weird characters you would expect them to have some defining character. Instead you get the same grating stock phrases repeated whenever you use an ability (Tracer uses time powers so she keeps saying time puns) and then this crazy gook yelling gookanese as he summons a fucking ghost dragon. Its actually bizarre how lifeless it all feels.

yeah, i prefer faster shooters myself. The lack of ammo management gets to me to. People spam chokepoints and retards acually walk through it without even coordinating with their team and die. I will admit though, many chokepoints in the game have side routes you can take but people seem to forget them.

Character designs are decent , but the lack of dialogue ingame makes them appear bland (although certain characters like the cowboy and reaper are pretty cut and dry, i quite like Mercy, Korean Mech Girl, and Mei though)

Because even though the characters are slow, the game itself is fast, everything has pretty strict time limits, so everyone has to rush, especially once overtime hits

god damn. mercys still have that damn 'pocket' mental disease that medics had where they never heal anything else even if they arent damaged. wouldnt take her but a second or two with how god damn strong the heals are

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Is McCree the best character

Can deal with enemies close, mid, and long range.

His Q can win the game.

Mc Cree and Lucio are the best characters in the game right now.

shame his ult is kind of shitty. it can make people scatter but so does double dragons without making yourself vulnerable

It's just like playing in a dead fast respawn tf2 server!

They need to halve genji's bullet parry shit

chinese titty monster is so good. its just a shame the team doesnt often follow up my ult with some damage of their own. maybe i have to get used to using the voice command

normallu when /v says a game is shit, it means that the game is at least somewhat decent.
i haven't touch the game yet but simply based on the autism here I think I will get it without thinking.
I know it's going to be at least ok, just because the sperglords shit on it.

You're so cool user, teach me how to be as cool as you.

That totally worked with TOR and other EA games.
Totally worked with Bethesda and many more. Right?
If you enjoy eating shit, by no means, enjoy it. But you're eating shit., it's ok to admit it, "user the shiteater", what a wonderful future.

Mei is deceptively top tier

are melee hits meant to crit randomly?

In training mode I found that killing a bot can take anywhere from like, 4 to 1

is there a way to disable the fucking disgusting amount of bloom in this game?

Considering the amount of >(1)'s in the thread just shitposting about the game or shitposting in general…
It's more likely a lot of Valvedrones are afraid TF2 will lose a lot of players. I mean, their game is losing players by the day regularly, if an alternative shows up that looks half decent…

Now I know you are trolling. CoD has guns that are all (this shoots X projectiles per Y seconds and each projectile causes Z damage) there's nothing else to their guns, from ricochet to area denial, nothing.
Roadhog's shotgun having the ability to shoot a projectile that breaks a few meters ahead so your shotgun is effective at medium range makes it a much more advanced gun than literally all guns in CoD.
And everything that's not a gun is the very definition of gimmicky shit tied behind killstreaks.

You might complain that the game is fairly straightforward and I'll agree with you, except I can't understand how that's a flaw. Being convuluted is not good after all.

Blizzard may not be doing this out of consciense for the players but perhaps because they are going with the wildly new strategy of "just make fun game" to earn money, something they have successfully done with Hearthstone and HotS. It's still them wanting your shekels, but if they make a fun game and you buy it, that just means "Yes, I'll buy your shit, just make it fun and without Real Money Auction Houses".

Honestly, in any other game, this kind of trolling would be fun, but here it's just sad. It's pretty obvious how scared some people are that the game they invested thousands of hours into is gonna have some serious competition and probably even die. I mean, you had the same shit happen to you with TFC, Quake, Tribes and many other.

But here's the thing… You kinda brought this onto yourselves. Everyone praises the high skill ceiling of those games as if it's something 100% great. And while it does make the game quite fun and chalenging, here's an interesting view point for you…
When your game is as acessible as a pedo site on TOR, don't act surprised if not many people show up or show interest at all.

Because high skill ceiling usually means that 1 player can easily trump 4-5 others, which is great for something like Deathmatch but for team-based games it kinda sucks. You could be making an effort with 3 other guys when a lonely motherfucker screws you all because he picked a class that has no skill ceiling.
People looking forward to overwatch want the teamplay, not be the special snowflake Shadow: the Soldierhog that can kill the entire enemy team with one rocket.
If you like that kind of thing, go play TF2 or Xonotic, no problem. Just don't say Overwatch is objectively shit when you just subjectively hate that kind of gameplay.

Spectator sports are spectator sports because the players can do amazingly skillful things that entertain people. A game that is very easy and predictable will not be fun to watch.

The games that consistently show up at tourneys are ones that allow for complex individual gameplay. The teamplay that results from that is much more interesting, as the possibilities are much more unexpected and interesting.

I seriously wonder sometimes where gaming will end up. Will every genre just melt together into some abomination that even your grandmother will be able to play? Because really most big companies are just looking to expand their playerbase as much as possible, and they do that by appealing to the lowest common denominator.

It doesn't have to be convoluted, but being as deep as a puddle doesn't do the game any favors
It's bad enough that the game only has 2 gamemodes, which in some cases are just combined into one gamemode because apparently having slight variety is too convoluted

but todd senpai I pre-ordered!

liking shit doesn't make it not shit. it just means you have a scat fetish.

Isn't that a bit of a paradox?
I see a lot of people considerably angry that the game "forces teamplay" on you and "removes agency of player skill". It seems more like they are angry that they can't carry their team, which in turn means completely ignoring teamplay.

I'd fully understand hating on forced teamplay (like in Dragon Age 2 where combos had to be done by using 2 different classes) but it seems more like some people really don't care about the teamplay in the first place and are seriously upset that 2 players working together can easily beat them.

But doesn't that mean that games focusing on personal skill instead of teamwork are more boring? I mean, it's considerably hard to pull off the rocketjuggling some Soldiers in TF2 can do and it's amazing to see it too. But the moment you see one doing it, you know he can do it and all encounters between him and the other classes are gonna be more of the same.
Wouldn't a game prioritizing teamplay over personnal skill be more interesting due to the unpredictable human element in every play?

3 gamemodes, actually. Payload, Assault and King of the Hill.
And isn't it a bit too soon to declare it "shallow as a puddle"? I mean, I'm pretty sure rocketjumping wasn't a feature that everyone knew by the time the first game using it had it. Nor was bunnyhopping, sharking, trimming and many other maneuvers.
Having a large amount of heroes in Overwatch can potentially raise the complexity of the game far more than TF2, since there's classes that do overlap but still act in different ways.

Take both Snipers, Hanzo and Widowmaker. Hanzo has slightly more mobility than the Widow overall but the Widow has "burst mobility" with her hook. Her mine helps to set up some nice traps and the SMG gives her some close quarters decent combat, while Hanzo instead must rely on running away or his ricochet skill in close spaces.
The areas either one is better in are very different. Widow for large open areas, preferably top of buildings, while Hanzo is better for tight closed areas.
Even their "vision skill" works in different manner. While Hanzo can give vision to his team much more often but only in a specific place, the Widow can completely nullify ganks and set up easy kills, but it's much more obvious to the other team and rarer as well.

Now compare those to the sniper in TF2 that can get headshots and that's it. And if caught in close quarters, it's pretty much dead, no contest there. Any of the snipers is much more complex than the TF2 sniper and even having the option to choose between them both makes it much more interesting. And I'm sure the same goes for many other classes.

I don't want to compare it to TF2
They're fundamentally different games
You know, like with that whole teamwork thing that the game stresses and yet doesn't let you actually do to any meaningful degree more than any other game aside from making each character incredibly weak solo

I'm curious about any example you might have of a game that did it better.
Because usually the best you can get is someone shooting at the same time as you or watching your back.
Some of the best I've seen was probably Red Orchestra where some people could carry ammunition to feed heavy machineguns but even that would be fairly simple.

Compared to that, Lucio carrying people around, Mercy jumping between teammates to heal them, Tolbjorn picking up scrap from other people's kills to give them armor (rewarding sticking together and other people doing the killing) is actually pretty great. But if you know of better examples, I'd very much like to know them.

Tracer\Reaper\Roadhog\Bastion are quite powerfull solo since they have a decent way of healing and win any fight provided they are in the right grounds for that. Reaper in particular seems designed for the solo roamer that comes from the back to kill people alone, from the teleporter to his unique healing.

I don't see how it is a paradox. I'll use the golden days of tribes as an example.

If you're talking competitively, every member of a team can their job expertly, which results in amazing plays. Think high speed flag passing: both players have to know what they're doing. Flag defense disruption: the heavy has to make sure his shots land accurately as the capper is arriving, and he has to make sure he doesn't get harassed or disrupted himself. Both of these require skill, and in their own areas players can compete.

If we're talking pub games, what's wrong with carrying your team? You're likely playing alone, and improving and using your skills is fun. Seeing results from practice is a good feeling.

No, look at quake. Players can pull off some amazing shit, sometimes never ceasing to surprise people.

I mean certainly it comes down to a matter of taste, but I've seen games get less complex and less fun as time went on. It's just what I see, big companies want more people, so they dumb their games down. And hell, I might be getting older, but a complex game doesn't seem to lose it's charm after a few days of playtime.

That end up being more of the same. Somehow I doubt there's much variation between each match as there's probably some kind of formulaic team composition defined as the most likely to win you the game that every pro resorts to. The same for strategies with very little experimentation.
I've never played Tribes but considering how most of the game seemed about someone reaching the flag as fast as possible to avoid being shot and then leaving as fast as possible, it seems that it was mostly a game of "how fast can I go versus how accurate are those guys" in every single match.

This kinda makes it incredibly boring in the long run, since the fastest class and strategy will always be used for offense while the most durable and accurate class and strategy is gonna be used for defense. You mentioned that the heavy stays behind to defend the flag. Why wouldn't he attack as well to sustain damage , disrupt defenders and keep the point clear of people so the capper can come in? Probably because it was defined as a sub-optimal strategy to win the game.
Which leads to predictable team compositions and boring gameplay.

For whom? Why does nobody ever question this? I enjoy UT2K4 a lot for the fast movement and reaction time I must have while keeping a good aim. I even specialize with shock\sniper rifles and flak cannon for that. But there's no teamwork involved and most of the matches are all the same. I can play 3-4 deathmatch rounds and get bored even if I up the bots to Inhuman. I could probably play better since I still can't beat them in Godlike, but the game doesn't seem more fun to me because of that.

I much prefer Team Fortress because of class synergy and the different roles everyone plays out creating a very complex battlefield. When you are in a pub server with 12v12, you aren't against 12 people that can all shoot rockets and flak at you. Some will be invisible and behind your back, others will have a fortified position waiting for you and others will have more health and an impressive minigun but be slower. The same spirit of adapting to whatever strategy your enemy is using is much more stronger in class-based shooters since you gotta adapt much more and much faster to the different roles.

You may be thinking that each role is fundamentally simpler than a Quake player due to limited guns and their drawbacks. But it's the interaction between those roles that gives the game complexity. Sorting out an attack in Unreal Assault mode is a matter of who has the best aim, while in TF2, Overwatch and any other class-based shooter it's a jigsaw puzzle that you have to figure out and work with your teammates to solve. And a puzzle that also changes in realtime in response to you.

I had fun fragging people left and right in deathmatch before. It was good, it was simple and it was fun. I want something different and more complex that doesn't rely on archaic engine exploits to pretend it's actually much more complex and where I don't have to expend 1000 hours just to get to a point where FUN is finnaly allowed.
For all the work old-school shooters do defending their game, they never managed to really give me a good reason to play their game instead of any other besides "if you play our game, you'll be good enough to play our game".

It really doesn't take much to do teamwork better
Any game with mild sandbox elements can do teamwork better, simply because of the flexible tools players have at their disposal and the natural synergy that arises from using them in tandem
In contrast, the tools players have available in this game are mostly very inflexible, and only synergize indirectly by way of stats or general strategy

You still haven't given a single example of a class-based shooter with sandbox elements…

Wouldn't "indirectly synergize" mean they actually are versatile? You are kinda contradicting yourself here…
Besides, it's a class based shooter, what were you expecting? No, seriously. What sort of gun or tool or mechanic would you actually like to see that promotes teamwork and isn't in the game?

My argument doesn't hinge on there being one
Also, rainbow six siege

No
Zenyatta's orb of discord can turn a losing fight for a teammate into a winning one, but the ability itself is incredibly simple, you can't even freely aim it, and the actual effect it has is just an abstract stat change
It has tactical use in many situations, and can help out some allies a great deal, but it's ultimately very boring
The same ones we already have would work, just with more effects on the world, the people around them, and the other character's abilities
Though ideally in some cases abilities should just be replaced or reworked entirely like tracer's generic bomb ult; the possibilities that come with a character that has limited time travel are ridiculous and the best ultimate they could come up with is a glorified grenade, which is fucking awful and belongs in the garbage no matter what your perspective

I understand what you mean. Unfortunately it's just not fun for a demographic that sadly seems to be shrinking. I somehow expected a different game.

The simplification of it all just makes things weird, you see. You learn all these things from different games and they end up being skills, but then the next game comes along and suddenly you can't do those things anymore. You can imagine how that feels at times.

Then you are complaining about a game not being like a mythical one that doesn't even exist. We all have "that game" that we would love to play but it's not fair to hold current games against it as nothing beats our imagination.
Not everyone played the game. Why don't you expand on this one in particular and tell us what sandbox elements it has?

I don't want to sound rude but your posts sound a lot like an Idea's Guy suggesting ways to improve a game without ever being able to explain what he means or give a specific example.

Zenyatta is a support character. Proper aiming isn't part of the skill required to play with him and you gain nothing or make the game more fun by including freely aiming that orb. It has no effect on anything besides enemies anyway.
It increases the damage taken by someone, allowing you to prioritize specific targets, especially Armored targets that take more damage to kill. It's not as simple as you make it be.

Sounds a lot like you don't appreciate playing as support characters because that's often how many of their abilities work. Take the healing beam from Mercy, for instance. You don't really have to keep aiming it after you start the beam. Does that make it boring? Yes. Why? Because you aren't supposed to focus on the beam. As a support character, you are supposed to focus on seeing where all your teammates are at all times and monitoring their health so you can change tactically between them and between beams. Furthermore, keeping an eye on the enemies position, both so you aren't caught flatfooted but also so you can inform your team.

This is what playing a support is like: keeping an eye on things, relaying information and changing your current task according to said information. And the stress of keeping up with all this is what entertains support players. If you can't appreciate it and prefer shooting things in free-aim then playing a support character simply isn't for you.

Dunno about that, I'd say as far as healers go Mercy is a bit better than Lucio simply because of her fucking Rez and how god damn easy she is to play.
McCree is bullshit though and his E+R-click combo is fucking beyond broken, it's hard to say he's op though but I definitely think his combo is fucking broken as shit.

It's in the "video" settings section.
I believe it's titled under "Display performance stats."

Mercy has the small problem that, to be mobile, she needs teammates in proper positions.
It's really cool when you have someone hanging in some balcony top because you can just face him, press Shift and go there, but otherwise you can be caught flatfooted very easy.

His RClick is only decent in short range, you can nullify that shit by not going near him. He is still decent at range, but not as much anymore.
Besides, you think that's OP? Maybe people don't know, but his Shift-dodge instantly reloads his gun. He can R-Click, Shift and R-Click again really fast.
Course, this means expending his dodge maneuver for an offensive reason…

Boy, this thread sure brought out the worst of Holla Forums, didn't it?

All of these are bullshit

The more I play the more little things I get super pissed off about, for example what area affect attacks do and don't deal damage to the user. Pharah can hurt herself with her rockets but Bastions cannon ult deals no damage to him. Widowmaker's poison trap can poison herself but Junkrat's traps deal no damage to himself. It's completely arbitrary and retarded.

It's a good thing that newfags finally come to realize that Holla Forums has been dead for a while and there's nothing but shills and newfags left.

Other threads are okay, but this specific one is mostly shitposting. You're not exactly helping, either.

Sorry we're not helping to promote this shit game with you.

dva seems pretty lousy, its kind of sad because i like her skill set. but her weapon is pretty awful, even if you catch someone completely off guard they have more than enough time to react. you can throw up your defense matrix to minimize the inevitable shit load of damage youll be receiving from the kill you deserve and back off yourself.
the only real advantage she has is mobility. which i guess is quite important. maybe you want a big fatty up on the catwalks to help flush out their sniper.
if her weapons didnt suck, if they didnt slow you down so much, or if she had some sort of self sustainability that didnt involve destroying her mech so she could afford to play a little more aggressively, or if she could shoot while defense matrix were active. any of these little things could probably make her not shit

i like mechs so i wanted to like her but for a tank she can't take hits worth a shit

Far as I can tell, her job is to direct the enemy movement. Jump on a balcony, and they'll fuck off, enter a room and they'll leave it, ulti in the middle of a group of enemies and they'll scatter, etc. She's not really a wall, the hammer guy has that covered.

Even as a body to throw at snipers she's fucking worthless, you fly up at them and they just casually backpedal and fuck you in the giant head hitbox because they know you don't deal any damage.

shitters that don't know how to play confirmed.

You can get kills with her, it's just harder to do so than it is with most other characters. It's not about what she does, it's about what she does well

Holy shit this game is easy, everyone is awful

in my first game I played the Egyptian armored chick with the rocket launcher and went 4:1 how are people this bad at shooters?

She is extremely mobile, has two lives and an invulnerability shield, you get in, get headshots, then get out.

Wow 4:1 in a low level game with a character that's extremely mobile and shoots rocket launchers? When are you going pro user?

I never claimed to be pro, I just claimed that everyone else in that game was garbage

went 7:1 next game as the pudge dude

putting her in the "tank" category might have been an error really

As long as you run to get health when you need to, you'll often get scores like that.

I haven't even considered that I've been playing her completely wrong. I've always only picked her when the team needed a tank, so I kind of assumed. I still think she's good at diverting the enemy, though.

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No more so than Winston, probably less so even since he doesn't have to slow to a crawl every time he wants to attack
Both of which end extremely quickly, the first because of the massive head hitbox and the second because it's even weaker than Zenyatta.
only from a narrow arc, on a short duration, only stops projectile attacks and it prevents you from shooting while you do it.
Even doing so at point blank you're going to deal less damage than anyone you're trying to kill, short of maybe mercy, because the shotguns are so fucking inaccurate that they can't even land all the pellets on someones head when the gun barrel is against their face.

In all regards aside from the ultimate she's a worse Winston.

Nobody is saying she's unplayable

this doesnt say anything. nice sage you doofus

winstons ultimate is actually good though. they both have their uses. dvas is nice for breaking an entrenchment, just be sure to turn on defense matrix before you launch it at them

10 million crack addicts can't be wrong.

Happiness is associated with the fulfillment of goals or step towards them, either hardwired or conditioned. The neurological mechanisms are known. What I am here to find out is not whether this game satisfies whatever set of goals you have, leading you to have fun, which are likely both base and perverse, but whether or not they fulfill my goals. To say something is fun is meaningless if you don't elaborate on what goals it allows you to complete to experience happiness.

Ideally, informative posts on games would be constructed as such:

- List of things I enjoy in games.
- How these feature in the game.
- How well does it work?

This board is nearly entirely populated by autists or low IQ, both of which seem physically incapable of understanding from another person's perspective, which is why there is so much meaningless dribble about whether or not a game is fun or not, when both people are just arguing with different axioms.

Of course, whether or not a game is shit overall will be an amalgam of each person's perception of it.

Yeah that leap is sure better than controlled flight

If you're having trouble surviving as mech or killing as her second form you got some problems.

Learn to position, it's your entire front, and if the enemy's stupid enough to get close to you, you should thank them.

So you can't aim

All I'm getting is 'I'm shit at video games'

Sorry you're shit at video games

sorry your team carried you

If it helps you sleep at night, sure.

i just dont see how a mediocre score proves shes not terrible. all it shows is that you could have afk'd and still won

You'll understand once you stop being shit.

Wouldn't hold my breath however.

What happened to you to make you as oblivious and angry as you are?

Shitters that are bad at video games voicing their opinion on Holla Forums.

Now stop.

It's called being a deluded faggot.

Keep on sage when the thread is way past bump limit, you're totally not a shitter.

Will do you retarded faggot.

I knew Holla Forums was retarded but this is a new low

You should leave so the average intelligence of the board will go up.

winston is terrible but at least he has a role he can fulfill.

That's what I told your whore of a mother when she refused to abort you.

Bitch regrets not listening to me.