A buddy gave me a beta key

Hes voiced by Gray Fox oddly enough

There are 3 threads like these every fucking day.

Blizzard caves to SJWs like a good little bitch, then backpedals hard after a huge backlash yet there are still people defending this piece of shit.

Just shows that you guys can literally be shat on and you'd not only eat it up but also give the people shitting on you a rim job afterwards. Congratulations.

Look at this begging ass bitch.

Her ass seats two so sure.

Thanks for the insight, bud.

No better feel than playing a good game and realizing what somewhere out there in this shitty world, some sad loser is crying and shitting himself cause people are talking about a game he doesn't like.

Also

Don't believe everything the goobers tell you m8

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did you like tf2? what bored you? ive only seen videos but the classes all seem pretty fun in different situations. i just hope theres tons of fun maps to play on

i share your concerns, aside from bastion and zarya since i havent played, and i believe there are strong counters. i guess a good zarya playing big sister could be hard to deal with since she can potentially erase the mistakes of dumber teammates.

ive never had lewd feelings towards poor innocent little koakuma until that animation with her tits and ass shaking all over the place, and then she gets tied up at the end oh my goodness.

Pic Related. There's a thread on page 15 that has hit the bump limit, there's another started by a nigger that was triggered people are talking about a game he doesn't like and there's another for Battleborn where they mention Overwatch.
That's all the "spam" you are getting with this game.

The beta's are starting and it's a new game. Of course there's gonna be people talking about it, wether bad or good doesn't matter, they want to discuss it.

There's also an Open Beta starting now for everyone, I think. Anyone on the fence or just curious to see how bad\good it is can download and try it now.

I don't get the "repetitive" opinion, actually. It's as repetitive as your average match in TF2, CS, UT2k4 or Quake. I'd say it's possibly less repetitive since matches aren't as long and dragged out and since it's 6v6 with several different viable characters (instead of 6v6 with 2 soldiers, 1 medic, 1 demo, 1 scout and a picker for both teams every single fucking match) it tends to have much more variety than you'd expect.

What exactly was "repetitive" or "boring" about it?

In closed beta bastion had a barrier in front of him like a mini reinhardt shield but he couldnt rotate 360 just 180 when deployed.

How shit are the servers for you guys?

Why would you buy it for the porn? The porn is totally outside the game.

I'm not even mad if you waste your money and time in pure shit, but at least be honest that you are eating shit like

Dunno if you have tried it recently, but there's a Custom Game option that allows you to pick what map you want to try, invite friends and fill the rest of the slots with AI. Even change some of the rules in the game, though I haven't explored that very much.

It would be nice to pick a specific gamemode I guess, but overall it doesn't seem to be much of a problem. In pretty much all maps, the fighting happens around the objective, whether it's a payload or just an area in the ground, so it's not like you have to completely change how you play according to the maps.

Then again, I can see "Temple of Anubis 24/7" reaching 2fort levels, since it's such a great map.

Zarya is actually fairly easy to handle unless you or your teammates have brain damage. She does shit damage unless she charges her gun. When you see her, wait or bait her into using her barrier. Wait 2 seconds and then kill her, since the cooldown is huge on it. It's a lot like the Riposte skill of Genji.

Bastion, that's harder. You gotta either flank him or get a sniper to handle the fucker. Or use Junkrat grenades.

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Every single game I played, my team were fucking morons.

-Play as a tank, providing protection so that people just have to SHOOT: nobody can kill anyone
-Play as damage, no one pushes
-Play as healer, no one pushes or can kill anyone
-People will never regroup and continuously feed the team their ultimates so they can press Q to win if you happen to gain ground that one time

I have never been so enraged at a game before. It also feels like the enemy has quad damage, and when you play as that character, your shooting needles out of your gun.

Did Riot gave into SJW's too? Logged in after over a year not playing and noticed Sivir is flat chested and looks like aboy now in her wonderwomen skin.

it's just a beta, people are more focused on having fun

Also is it just me, or did Torbjorn's turret get a heavy nerf? That thing is a pea shooter now and it can be taken out a lot easier.

See this is why they should kill retards at birth.

play as zenyatta. He's a glass tank, I keep getting gold in damage done and healing done. Also you get paired up with better people once you hit higher levels. So basically you gotta grind to get good teammates

You do realize that whole thing was a publicity stunt. The dev ignored the pages of disagreement and went with a suggestion from a person who had 3 total posts on that forum complaining the game wasn't right for his daughter who was 8 years old, when the game is rated T for Teen, and who seemed to have a pretty good idea of the pipeline for a AAA title.

If you still believe it then hello shill.

A lot of people are just trying out new heroes and figuring the map out. Not knowing the maps is also pretty bad. Can't do nothing about it but wait and learn.

But yeah, it's ridiculous sometimes. You'll see people picking Offense roles thinking about all the kills they are gonna get, but they die incredibly fast to the minimum amount of coordination and leave all the snipers and turrets standing.
Or tanks that go for kills instead of the objective.

You gotta learn about the difference between Health, Armor and Shields. That's something new to Overwatch.
Health is the white section in your HP bar, that's regular HP.
Armor are the yellow pips, those heavily reduce damage when you get hit.
Shield are the blue pips, they regenerate after not taking damage for a while.

Bastion for instance has 600HP, the first 300 being Armor. That means when you attack him, half of his health is gonna be a bitch to take but after that he dies fast. It's even harder for DVA since she has 500 Health with 400 being Armor.

You also have characters like that indian robot with very little Health but a good Shield pool. If you're smart, you'll do hit-and-run tactics with him just to drop a few balls here and there and retreat to heal up.

I actually like this new stuff since it means, as Mercy, that healing a character with natural Armor is better than other characters and keeps them safe for longer, or how Shields completely change the way you play a hero.
I think there's actually more to this and Shields have some other quirk but I haven't found it out yet.

just like the good old days right?

if theyre starting to dole out breast reductions and reduce sex appeal they are committing suicide

Ask for the "Fiora rework" pictures some user's have. They made her look all tumblr with the haircut, removed the cleavage by giving her some shirt or something and reduced her breast size.

I have no fucking idea what were they thinking considering they had Jana or whatever that air wizard girl was, and how they are famous for the amount of porn most of their champions generate. But I guess they want to be a "respectable esport" now or something. Just like Evolve!

Congrats

Overwatch will be a repeat of HOTS
Stupid retard teams
No proper in-game stats
Balance in the shitter
One meta in 3 months until they OP a new character

Sit back and enjoy the shit ride.

i think, like with zarya in overwatch, the idea is to have a character or two to 'sacrifice' and maybe appease some of the more amiable among the sjw scourge. but to do that with sivir is hilarious, shes based on xena is she not? and whats xenas appeal? being a sexy fighter woman, keyword sexy

You forgot the absolute tranny face they gave her.

Also why the fuck does this piece of shit require DirectX 11, God fucking damn it, it's XCom 2 all over again. I seriously need to upgrade my GT9800 at this rate.

At least Zarya only has a stupid haircut. I kinda like her voice and lines and a stronk wymin carrying a big plasma cannon is awesome.
If you're into gothic stuff she even has a neat skin, or you can even cover her entire face in a parka with an artic skin she has.

What the fuck? That's supposed to be a Toaster-Compatible game. Are they really gonna shit on a lot of players with that? Not a smart decision…

Apprently they are. I was debating buying it but this fuckin DirectX 11 bullshit just killed it for me.

yeah theres a few games out there i wanted to give a whirl that my jalopy compy cant handle either. one day this machine is just gonna deflate like an old tire

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They did cave into SJWs, but it pretty much amounted to a publicity stunt. Also overwatch is boring shit.

Play winston and dive behind their front lines for easy triple kills +

Funny they sacrificed Fiora, no one used to play her like Sivir and Karma, besides a few dedicated players.

Also for OverWatch is the Soldier 76 faggot OP, since he's that faggots baby

Can you at least explain why its bad?
To me, as someone who hasn't played TF2 in 5 fucking years, slowly standing in the sidelines watching it go to shit, Overwatch was a fresh breath of air.

The game is fast, everything is balanced and able to be countered, the subclasses are something TF2 could have used, and the character designs are nice and clean. Only complaint is they're more waifubait than actual characters like in TF2.

What the fuck nigger?
The dad told them it was too sexual, and they replaced it with an even more sexual pose, and somehow thats still bad?

Winston's gun is one of those things where when an enemy uses it on me, it kills me in milliseconds, but when I use it; it takes a solid 30 seconds and only mildly annoy them before they kill me with whatever thing they're using

Why does she want to play as a fat girl in video games?

Does she enjoy being fat that much, or has she deluded herself into believing she takes pride in her disgusting body?

can winston charge his super by his shield taking damage? he seems so odd compared to other backline disruptors with his low damage

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no the game really is boring and repetitive.

try shilling less obviously next time.

Where's that user who keeps posting his Overwatch pre-order receipt?

Circle strafe and dive away when low.

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Winstons really feels more like a distraction. I often use him to leap past a choke point and dash to the cap point; causing everyone to focus on me. If your team is competent, they'll gun down the enemy while they're busy working on the Dong

I suck so much at FPS. I suck at this game too. All I seem to be good for is getting head shots with the archer guy.

I don't understand why it's working out but it is.

being fat doesn't meant you're unhealthy :^)

Bow and Arrows can be a really fucking fun weapon type in most games.

Just explain what you mean by "fast."

Is the action fast? No, not really. It takes too long to kill all but the squishiest of enemies.

Movement speed is really slow, and only a tiny handful of characters have a way to go much faster than a light jog.

Hipfiring, aim-correcting weapons are everywhere and yet all the characters move so incredibly slow and many arenas are comprised mostly of wide open areas with very little cover.

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Well considering that GitS looks like a shitty CoD clone, of course it ain't fast.

But Overwatch is. There are tons of movement options and the general movement is smooth and constant. It feels like TF2 but with the tickrate knocked down a little bit

I can think of many other games with more movement options AND faster movement speed than Overwatch.

but does he charge uber besides dealing damage? the super seems like it would be a such a good way to disrupt entrenched enemies

i think using unconventional weaponry in general is fun vidya times. my favorite weapon in FEAR was the penetrator for how inconvenient it was, but nailing people to things is just satisfying.
sure it was accurate, but it was a projectile weapon. theres nothing the standard assault rifle didnt do better in multiplayer.

It that trigglypuff?

Well shit user

I remember when I used to play Psyco Doom, I use to use that shitty nailgun that did no damage all the time, because it was simply fun to use

His barrier doesn't charge ultimate. Doing damage to the enemy does.

Git gud

Because servers have a 20 tickrate and the hitboxes for it are worse than the Cuntsman.

Movement speed is slow as fuck for most characters, little flexibility with movement options. TTK is far too high, feels like a MOBA where people are mostly forced to only kill in team fights outside of the occasional gank.
Given how fucking basic the classes are given its RPS nature, that's not a big achievement.
No. TF2's original class design was great, but it execution wasn't right. The alt loadouts just muddied roles and made balance fucking awful.

Faggots will be defending shit games until the end of time with this meme. Soulsfags are cancer even outside of their series.

While this doesn't seem appropriate for mouse and keyboard, this is a pretty elegant way of making aiming smoother on a controller (without the sensation of having the controller yanked out of your hands).

well its like you say tf2 was never really balanced. no game is. its important that you have options to get around some of the more powerful things though, which is always the case in tf2. and having gimmicky options is just good fun.

You need to practice. I regularly go 20-3

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What characters are slow?
Also, there are shit loads of movement options for the characters. It might to be as complex to pull off as the rocket jump, but they do exist.

Altclasses made into actual classes leaves tons of room for nerfing and character building, as its no longer tied to the same class. How does it ruin balance?

I'd end faster saying what good point the game has, but since this is a shill thread I may as well derail it with a long ass post for you guys that are getting paid work to 'debunk it' and for the drones autist to reply, like in every fucking shill thread that has happened for years.

That was the tl;dr now for the flood, I'll try to make it short
>HUD is ugly and intrusive this one is my opinion

Now for the good things:

That's it.

I don't play shit games shill-kun.

I knew you never played the game. Thanks for admitting it.

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eh?

ID's are a thing here Mr. Shill. Try learning how the site works before you come to pitch your shit on it.

You realize the same retards that play WoW are playing this game too right?

I'm sure that has crossed you mind at some point.

Satan telling the truth.

Board will get to hell if we keep letting more shills and retards feel comfortable, I'm getting flashbacks from halfchan.
Not even crazy diamond can fix shit taste.

I've played GiTS, Paladins, and Overwatch so far.

GiTS felt too frantic and chaotic for me to really enjoy, it stressed me out because there wasn't any satisfaction to half the kills. There are essentially no heal pickups and as a result its just "kill, die, kill, die" you might have a few lucky runs where you "kill kill kill die" etc. It really hinges on your loadout, dont let any fucking asshole tell you otherwise. Everyone is like "git gud" well, git gud translates to "upgrade your carbine so you grouping pattern is high and you can unload on a piece of shit before your abilities are up, then spam the healing/stealth one to secure a kill". I wanted to love it but I didn't enjoy it.

Paladins was pretty horrible for balance imo. I played a bunch because I loved smite and the balance has been horrible since day one. The game feels slap-dashed together in a really hobbled way. Even the characters seem like cheap chinese knock-offs (mecha character, giant knight tank with shield, sneak sexy catsuit woman, etc.).

Inb4 blizz shill, overwatch has been the only one I've actually enjoyed. The player base will probably be stone cold retarded like they are in HoTs but atleast with overwatch the game feels like it has purpose-the characters seem like they got lots of TLC and thought. The levels are somewhat interactive (shooting items in staging areas, background stuff, etc.). The game just feels like it was a product of dedication and love. Sure its just a "tf2 clone" but thats a bullshit retarded argument because just about every game is a copy of something to some degree in some way. I like the level design, the character design, and the gameplay. There are a few characters that feel op (roadhog) but its really minimal compared to the bullshit for builds in gits/paladins.

If I were going to buy one (I own all three/beta'd all three), I would get overwatch.

theres no way that's real, surely someone shopped that slide right?

Friend gave me a beta key since he preordered (he buys everything Blizzard, I dunno), played it for about 5-6 hours and I gotta say I feel like I experienced most of what the game had to offer and I got bored

Same thing happened when I tried playing TF2, I just got bored 5-10 hours in and never played it again, I doubt I'll even play for the remainder of this beta period, let alone buy it

TF2's balance is fine.

Scout/Soldier/Demo (and of course a medic) are clearly the classes that you want to be using most of the time because they have the best mobility and damage output. Some people think that makes the game imbalanced because the other classes aren't as powerful. It's not that they're "worse," it's that they're only useful in certain situations.

The beauty of TF2 is that you aren't locked into a class, you can change at any time. So you can offclass to something else when you need to. If you're defending the last point, you could go Engineer to build a sentry, or Pyro to stop an uber, or Heavy to tank a spot. Or if you're attacking the last point, a Spy or a Sniper could be exactly what you need to take out the medic and win the round for you.

b4nny is a fag but watch this video, he explains these ideas pretty well.

not enough people complain about overdone HUDs, I think ideally they should be small and if possible actually built into the world (like Dead Space's)

yes you always have options. i think thats more exciting and better than balance.

But it isn't slow.

They announce it server wide for like 5 seconds, giving you enough time to deploy a shield

fucking what

Oh well

Well I mean I want to play the game so

Most likely will be out when the game gets attention from the TF2 community

This isn't a bad thing. Huntsman and Demoknight splits would have helped TF2

I don't play games to chug down Mountain Dew and break computer hardware, I play it to have fun.

Oh boy, nothing like

And a community filled with casuals who don't know how to play, "friendlies", hat fetishists, and children. Fuck you, TF2 has been dead for years

Overall: I haven't played the game/10

Mark my words Holla Forums, this game is going to be shit in 3-5 years time.

It's like, jesus christ your game sucks. You just like it because its new. When your friends don't want to play and you give up trying to get a good rank you'll stop playing.

if it isn't at least UT speed then it's slow

Yeah, it was called team composition, but now you swap some weapons and suddenly your character is built to fill in completely different roles. You know that Pyros are still one of the worst class at ambushing, even with weapons like Backburner and Phlog? Heavy, Scout, and Soldier can all out-perform him at close range due to the retarded nerfs to the flamethrower and it's shitty dps and damage fall-off.
No. It's poor design that doesn't compliment the original mechanics, and even seeks to undermine them if they become too effective.

No, was fine (barely).
Now it's a hot mess where the class meant for sentry busting and crowd control can instead just start charging at people in melee combat like a retard and engineers can just shit out baby sentries while moving to the frontlines.

Now I just know you're not arguing in good faith.

Got into the beta, played it multiple times, its fun

Like a lady named Rosa Parks once said:
no

Do you think someone who has never experienced fast will know that?

Yeah good luck with that.

yes

reality is under attack

I'd like to say that it isn't inherently cancer in games although most of the time it unfortunately is. My only example to prove this is Dawngate which had a form of a thumbs-up system at the end of every match that you could literally give to everybody in the game with no limitations outside of yourself. With each approval you got from another player you scored much better at the end-game reward which could net you as much as a Hero plus a shitload of runes / in-game currency.

Subsequently, the community was bro as fuck and could handle banter extremely well. I fucking miss Dawngate ;-;

Oh man what a great rebuttal. I'm totally beaten by how you ignored everything.
I'm going to tl;dr you before I take a nap.

You have 0 knowledge of fucking FPS and it shows.
Censorship, due to ignoring what the fanbase says, closing and deleting posts/threads.
Even how shitty TF2 is today I can still find a decent server were people are actually playing the game and it's not 2Fort.
Everything I said its a bad thing with the exception of the HUD since that is something subjective, the rest were fucking objective. If you stopped sucking dick for a second you'll know.

Seeing the thread filled with shills is more fun and entertaining than the actual game.
Whoever plays this game and its not getting paid for it, that person must have brain damage or be a big masochist.

It is already shit and it's not even out.

Kill yourself.
Seriously, go choke on a fucking curling iron.

Gee you sure convinced me with that argument.
If you think that any semblance of sound class deign existed in TF2 post-Sniper v Spy then you're retarded. You're probably also a post-2011 fag who hasn't actually experience the game when it wasn't a jumbled mess.

I hate both minis and demoknights, but adding dumb unviable playstyles to the game doesn't make it unbalanced. It just makes casual play more annoying.

Removing demoknight will never happen, but that said I'd welcome a 130 metal cost for minis with open arms.

Man I'm losing my touch if I can't tell anymore if you're just underage, retarded or just pretending to be retarded

He is a shill. He is paid to be retarded.

I liked tf2. It was rather fun going to user operated servers, fucking around with the admin/mods, and have a good chat with the people on the server. So far I have encountered nothing but tryhards who talk nothing but battle call outs or how "op" bastion+reinhardt is, or how broken "x character" is. Don't forget, "we don't have 'x' guys, we need an 'x'." but he doesn't want to play "x"

I know that the beta is limited but the lack of gamemodes and maps bothers me. TF2 had the advantage of user created content. Granted that most of it was shit, we still found a couple of gems amongst it, and some of it eventually became official. Thanks to valve having a century old engine and "allowing" people to use the SDK with ease we were able to experience this. However, overwatch doesn't look like it might even come close to doing this given how protective blizzard is over their software.

A big concern was how brain dead the ultimates are.The fact that certain ultimate abilities are capable of annihilating the entire team while the person who casted said ulti had a lackluster performance the entire game is pants on head retarded. This might cater to casuals, but for me its a huge turn off.

The play of the game feature rustles me sometimes. It doesn't really matter what you do, if there is a bastion with half a brain cell in the game, he WILL get the play of the game award. I'm on a 15 kill streak completely demolishing the enemy team. I become a high priority target and manage to herd the entire team to a choke point whilst on low health. Lo-and-behold, a friendly bastion was set up in that corner and mowed them down. Guess who got play of the game? Not the phara with 1 death, 30 player kill score, and a 30k damage score. It was the goddamned bastion for mowing down the team that I whittled down to begin with.

The only support that has a rather unique design is zenyatta, the rest are rather boring to both play and look at.

you have no idea what youre saying. team composition is just as important as ever. youre not going to replace a medic just because you can toss out sandviches, or give vampirism with your choncheror.
no shit, good thing he can airblast him and run away because he was wise enough to engage around cover.

fucking ea.

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Holy shit nigger, when will you stop?

I remember when blizzard went out of their way to insist that their "play of the game" was a smart feature that supossedly took many player factors and elements into account, only for it to be just another "guy who got the highest kills in the least amount of time" cod-like feature.

I wouldn't have that much of a problem with the game if it was more tf2-ish, with people pretty much playing the game with a sincere intent of just playing, instead it's just being pushed as another fucking moba-ish "esport" piece of shit that will only create a swathe of insufferable dumbass tryhards playing like shit because "muh e-sport dream".

it looks boring, i just play my favorite FPSes instead.

you don't have to buy the game to look at porn made by random people on the internet

haha what the fuck? does anyone on Holla Forums actually WANT to play this game?

compared to the rest of the FPS genre? no, there are much faster games.

Due to bad matchmaking, it's pretty boring being stomped over and over and over again without any way to counteract it.

I'm just not playing with real people as opponents, and suddenly the game becomes more fun. Bots actually give XP towards loot crates too, so there's that.

Also Holy shit there's a lot of advertisement on Battleborn on TV. Is that better than being shitstomped and bright colors: Blizzard edition?

Here's the 6v6 pre-aproved team composition:
2 soldiers, 1 Medic, 1 Demo, 1 Scout and one picker\wildcard (sniper or spy\anything that needs doing)

You aren't gonna replace either of that shit because that is the empirically confirmed optimal team.
Picking an Engineer is dumb. That's counting on the other team soldier being retarded or the medic not using an uber.
Picking an Heavy is dumb. That's slowing your team down for a class that's just gonna eat rockets and stickies and leave the medic alone.

The Soldier is the class with the best mobility, even better than the Scout (when he was intended as the "mobility class"), second highest HP pool (and the first one is tied to a class that always loses against a competent soldier so it's a moot point) and he is given excelent burst damage.
There's a reason some people call it Soldier Fortress 2. It's because when you are losing in pubs, just pick soldier for a few minutes and suddendly you are winning. You can use corners to screw engies and heavies, open areas to escape from any and all threats and closed areas to kill scouts, demos, soldiers, spies, anything really.

And balancing the fucker would actually be very simple: every bazooka only has 1 rocket before needing to be reloaded. There, off goes the excessive burst damage, rocketjumping doesn't allow you to rain dead from above and if you can dodge or survive the first rocket, you actually stand a chance to kill him.

The game isn't balanced, I'm tired of being forced into a single class to stand a chance at winning the game and I much prefer Pharah over Soldier.

also:

Maybe Overwatch isn't for you, man. That's alright.

I've been playing with the GF and I love it so far. But not enough to drop 50CAD for it.
I'm too broke for that and I could buy something more worthwhile with that money.

Blizz has the same old generic game modes. It ain't enough to justify the price.

I don't know if I'm good at the game or not.

The only reason Heavy isn't part of the 6s meta is because his weapon selection is fucking gimped to only be shotgun upgrades and his boxing gloves. Heavy would be completely viable in 6s if the GRU were allowed, especially due to his high DPS and ability to play both offense and defense easily. Hell, he can even be a support class if you throw in the Sandvich too

6s fags are so concerned with their butchered version of the game and it bothers me that Valve is only listening to them for feedback regarding matchmaking and character balance

The amount of shills in this thread is too damn high. Get fucked blizzard marketing.

So calling the game a bore is shilling now? How many layers of irony are you on right now son?

believe it or not some people just like video games

People are still figuring the game out. They don't know many of the counters available or much of the map, otherwise every Widowmaker or Pharah would just focus on Bastion and screw him. Even if there's Reinhart nearby, that means you gotta gank them. Also, shooting Reinhart shield is free charge for your ulti, remenber that as Tracer to leave a bomb behind them.

Standard in most class-based games.I just never even complain or say anything about that, I just switch to the needed role and sigh.

Compared to TF2, there's only CTF missing, really. You have your Payload, Assault and Arena. Well, I guess Double Payload too.

Pretty much a lot of the ultis still take some skill and timing to be used and can often be countered easily. You have Junkrat's Tire that you actually can shoot down and negate entirely, you have Pharah being stationary in the sky for Widow\McCree\Soldier to kill really fast. Even the Edgelord can be killed\stunned during his ulti.
And this isn't even mentioning things like Zarya, Winston or Reinhart shields that are regular abilities that completely nullify most Ultis.

For many of them you even have a lot of audiocues. Soldier's "autoaim" has him say "I got you in my sights" that you can hear from anywhere in the map. Same for Widow "wallhack" and the Archer shouting his dragons. Listening to that (and footsteps too, very important) helps a lot.

You gotta remenber too that ultis charge very little with time and mostly by how good you are in a fight. So a braindead idiot is gonna use his about 2 or 3 times during a match, while you might pull yours 6 or more.
This means you actually have an advantage over him according to your skill, so it's not as bad as you may think.

Play of the Game seems to tie in with multi-kills only. But really, it's hard to come up with a better idea. The point is to capture a small 10 seconds video of someone doing something interesting, and a 15 players kill streak can't be condensed in 10 seconds. Most games nothing really notable happens (I've had one where it was just a Tolbjorn hammering his sentry while it killed 2 guys) but there's hardly a better system.

why did they settle on 6v6 anyways? isnt the default 8v8?

"muh shill boogeyman"

It's because of ultimates and abilities.
ASSFAGGOTS teams are 6v6.

Does anyone actually care about this game other than depressed streamers and the 1-2 guys who make these threads

well im not fond of either game mode but that seems so backwards.

but they're 5v5

I was skeptical at first but im actually quite enjoying it

Are they? It's been a long time since I played so my memory's a bit blurred on that shit.

I'll have to heavily disagree.
Including an heavy in your team means reducing your speed heavily, which loses the match for you.
In Arena, by the time you reach the middle point, a Medic+Soldier pocket are already there capping and you're gonna get peeled on the way by the roaming soldier\scout anyway.
In any other gamemode, if you suddendly need to go back to stop someone taking your Intel or backcapping, you'll take so long to get there, it's like an headstart to the team.

His high DPS also means nothing. A decent soldier (not even good, just decent) will stand besides a corner and peek to shoot at you. You can fire as much as you want, you'll only hit a few bullets while eating his entire rocket load and killing your medic in the process. If he ain't near a corner or you are too close, he'll rocketjump away and try again, while you can't escape from him if things go south.
And this isn't even mentioning demo with grenades\stickys or how it even makes it easier for the picker to get you.

That requires you to not shoot for a considerable while to throw a Medium Kit. Now compare that to the Mad Milk that the Scout can bring (if they don't ban it, that is) or just the plain fact that you're always gonna have a medic anyway, no sense in wasting a weapon slot for the sandvich.

I like Heavy, I play it a lot, almost as much as Engy. But the more I play him, the more I see his shortcomings and how easy he is countered by absolutely anyone else. I wish the game wasn't like this, but it is.
And what's worse is that the entire playerbase won't care as long as sticky's aren't nerfed (remenber that shitshow? A balanced demoman? not on my game!) or the soldier keeps getting buffs and weapons.
What do you think their "matchmaking" is really? Just pandering to the 6s fags, so they don't leave for Overwatch. That's why you started seeing rumours and talks about it the moment Overwatch opened it's first closed beta and many famous streamers in the TF2 community started talking good about it.

Overwatch got rich potential for XPS and SFM porn esp. the female characters.

Other than that, nothing is significant. After all, we're talking about a game that Blizzard made. Tell me, what are the recent titles that Blizzard released that were fun to play with?

Protip: You can't

Explain to me your definition of a retort.
You gave a shit reason to why its bad, and I gave a reason to why its good. I told you that most of the flaws either don't matter to the average player, or flat out dont happen in the game.

But hey, call me a shill like the blind retard you are. But one day you are going to wake up and realize people like things you don't.

Overwatch might be the glimmer of hope in the pile of shit that is post-2008 Blizzard.

i think the 5v5 thing is a relic of the 12 player limit in assfaggots. 5 players per team and 1 "npc" player for the creeps and structures per team. though i think a few aos maps found a way around that and had 6v6s enabled somehow.
but the user i was replying to was talking about tf2s 6v6 matches, which im assuming is also what overwatch is emulating.
speaking of ultimates, i wonder how a higher player count would go in overwatch. there would be a lot more ultimates flying around for sure, but would that ruin the balance? i know in tf2 things get 'different' in higher pop servers.

Is it just me or are the servers laggy now?

eh
nah

at least, the more recent ones like dota 2 and LoL are, they suck pretty bad anyway though.

But user

That's Hearthstone

GRU

I'm assuming you mean KOTH, and even then a Heavy can take out a Scout/Soldier anyway. He could easily substitute for a pocket due to his high health pool

You do understand the concept of strafing, right? Even if a rocket hits a Heavy at full force, it will still be a few shots (dead on, at least) to take him down, even with a Medic. Heavy can easily provide denial for an area just as Demo can with his stickies, perhaps even more so due to how he doesn't need to reload and no reliance on projectiles

You act like Sandvich isn't always run in 9v9, and Mad Milk (or any other items that heal, for that matter) are nowhere near as versatile as the Sandvich is. Mad Milk requires it to be thrown first, which could easily be dodged, and the Concheror relies on the Soldier to build a charge then use it, assuming he isn't killed during that time. Even then, neither heal as much as the Sandvich

wow, that explains everything

This is blizzard we're talking about. A company with a terrible fucking track record, who has the same guy who destroyed EQ as lead. They are making this game for esports in mind. Honestly. what do you expect?

Someone hasn't played vanilla TF2, Pyro was even more useless than he is now. Flamethrower's been massively buffed over the years, most prominently in its actual DPS output and the introduction of the airblast.

Pyro's general role is to sow discord and inconvenience crowds rather than flatly ambush, if you don't have a medic, medkit, pool of water or a projectile liquid item (ie jarate) then you're on fire and that's the end of it. Combine that with that you're an idiot if you use the flamethrower instead of your melee or your shotgun flare gun is for faggots and only useful for harassing snipers from long distances, scorch shot is okay though in 1-on-1.

Some sort of magical number that competitive players figured was the optimal choice for balance. Enough people to make the game interesting but not enough to make it a chaotic mess.

I'd wager that it's because you have 4 roles in the game (Offense, Defense, Support and Tank) so you can take one of each and then specialize 2 or 1 one of them further. More Defense to hold a point, more Offense to attack, more Support to counter their Offense, that kinda stuff. I'd actually think the default was 12v12.

Here's what the Devs had to say about CTF:
"The devs did a lot of experimentation with Capture the Flag, but found that it was problematic with their very ability-based hero design. They gave the example of Tracer, with her Recall ability, who can travel long distances in a very short time. She'd be a great flag carrier, thanks to mobility, but that could come to mean that you had to have Tracer on CTF maps in order to get an advantage, and if you don't use Tracer you're doing it wrong. So, should they disable Tracer's Recall for CTF maps? What about heroes with wall-climbing, like Hanzo, or hover, like Pharah? Should those abilities be disabled too? Should some heroes be banned? They concluded that they didn't want to create maps that caused rules to escalate, so for now, CTF is out."

Also, Arena is kinda neat actually. It's a best-of-tree gamemode with different places for all attemps and every point you have to capture has multiple routes to flank.
I might also mixed the names, since it's not the "you die one, you watch now". It's that gamemode with a single control point to dominate for some time, like Harvest in TF2.

King of the Hill/KOTH

The problem is that the moment heavy is viable, the game turns into slow garbage.

6s games already turn into fights between mid and 2nd that last 5 minutes so it's not like it would change things that much

You mean the "shoot me please"-gloves? The ones that out a smile on the roaming soldier\scout? Yeah, great choice. Totally beats rocketjumping around.

He has 100 more health than a soldier, only. That's about 1 rocket. And you did read the "decent soldier" part, right? You see a heavy, you don't go near him, you use corners and kill the fat fuck while he cries hoping for lag compensation to do something. The S in DPS means Seconds and peeking from cover to dump a rocket takes no time at all. You reduce the time you are exposed, you reduce the DPS, while the same doesn't apply to rockets that are burst.

The slowest class in the game is gonna strafe to dodge rockets and scatter shots. Especially after starting to spin his gun for extra lower speed.
We aren't talking about going on open space here, we are talking about closed spaces where you cna shoot your rockets at a wall or the floor to still cause some damage and from afar so you can leave. It's not even like the heavy can chase a soldier anyway, so best case scenario you chase him away until he eats a medikit, comes back and finishes the job.

Throw it at the ground instead? Seriously? Also, why use the Sandvich? If your medic is around, any damage you have is extra charge for his Uber, and if he ain't around, go back and get a medikit on the way.

Teleporters win games and someone has to build them, user.

That mostly happens on shit maps like granary, unless you are braindead. And unlocks wouldn't change those situations for heavy anyway. What GRU actually would ruin is mid fights. There's no point in jumping in as soldier if some mongoloid with 20 iq can just stall you in the air by pointing in your general direction. And if your soldiers can't jump in because of the fat fuck, you might as well play sniper. Slow, rock paper scissors garbage.

You're retarded if you think the gloves are going to be out at all times

If a Heavy has a Medic on him against a Soldier trying to peek around the corner, he's going to be eating those rockets and holding down the area like it's nothing. Even without a Medic, a Heavy can still fire down an area, hold it for a while, and still get out safely in case the enemy begins to push. I'm really starting to think you don't know competitive at all

You can still duck under and strafe rockets (or at the very least, minimize damage) as a revved up Heavy

I'm not sure what you think of when you say "closed areas" but I think of something like Granary's chute hallway, AKA something that has such limited movement that the entirety of the Minigun's spread can cover it

Throwing it at the ground can still be avoided if the target is a Scout or Soldier, and if you miss with a Sandvich it doesn't immediately go away like the milk

Having a second, spare medkit that can be used to not only heal a Medic but also act as just a quick heal to any teammates is pretty beneficial

They clearly don't, since Engie isn't run full-time

That's like saying only Pyro can counter Spy

fucking hotwheels

What exactly will counter a full health heavy on the other side of mid apart from sniper? Remember that this isn't just the heavy either, there are other players on the enemy team too.

Well, if Heavy is being run full-time by both sides, then clearly another Heavy

If not that, a Demo, due to his explosive damage, or a Scout, assuming they can out maneuver the Heavy in time or if they can stop him from tracking them

Holy Quotes, Batman!

And you're a retard if you think you'll never be caught with your pants down (or rather, gloves on) while running for a point while a roaming soldier\scout is passing by. The Mark of Death persists for a while, so even if you switch right after you see them, you're still gonna eat 1 or 2 crockets in the face.
You are putting yourself at risk while still not even being as fast or agile as rocket\sticky jumping. That's why you don't replace a soldier with the Heavy, because it's still objectively inferior, not because it's not possible.

No shit! Well, what happens then if the soldier has a medic with him? What happens if the Soldier self-injures to get an Uber faster than the other medic and goes flying behind the duo to kill his medic first? Does the heavy get some other options to flank or help charge the uber fast like the soldier? Oh that's right, he can't. It's just "go to the point and try to shoot the objectively superior class".

You can duck under rockets aimed at your feet? This ain't pokemon and Heavy can't use Dig anyway, user.

That hallways has a corner on both sides the soldier can exploit so easily it's literally not even fun. Unless your minigun spread can turn corners, it's useless. I also mentioned closed areas because some retards say the scout can dodge rockets. In closed areas where you just have to hit walls and floors to kill a scout.

What about leading your targets instead? It's not that hard to figure where they are gonna move, it's the whole basis for proper rocket shooting anyway. And considering the Scout often comes from behind, it's not like they are gonna actively dodge your shit anyway.

That can't be used midfight and has easy replacements in the field around you for when the fight's over. I still bring the sandvich with me in pubs but I don't believe for a second it's even a choice for competitive. If you have to use your sandvich, your medic is shit or you are shit at defending him.

Probably because rocketjumping around beats all the work and risk of setting teleporters up. But I guess that's just more extra balance for the game because if there's one thing TF2 needed was another reason for why Soldier is better than some other class :^)

Most of your points seem to assume that the other team is composed of bumbling retards that will run in front of an heavy instead of taking cover while also being incapable of hitting a splash weapon like the Mad Milk. None of those are valid points at all if there's a semblance of skill in the other team at all, something that's kinda the expected in competitive.

And you are saying all this just to prove that "Heavy is totally viable in competitive, it's not just Soldier all day erryday". Give it up. Heavy isn't bad, it's worse. He has a nice role that he can do but someone else can do it better. It just so happens that that same class can also do the roles of many other classes. From area-denial, mobility, burst damage and resilience, the Soldier is the objectively superior choice and the whole game is balanced around him, which is why he is 1/3 of every 6v6 team and that's why TF2 is shit.

You know, a funny way to look at this is that Soldier is the Stock Class and everyone else is just a Sidegrade to TF2. And you know what they say about Sidegrades: "It's good on specific circunstances and to play for fun, but you're more often better served with the Stock weapons."

What happens if the other Heavy counters you first :^)

Why? Sticky's will do the job but they are slower compared to grenades. But then you'd have to hit directly or hope they land\ricochet nearby.
A soldier can not only do the same job faster but since he also has more HP than the demo, outlast any stray bullet from the Heavy.

If you assume both are at about the same skill level, that's never a counter. If the scout is good enough to dodge him, the heavy is good enough to track him.

I like the pr0n but fuck the game. I won't even bother trying it. Blizzard practically went full sJW. They'll never see another cent from me.

Zarya being in the game alone is enough a reason to boycott it.

Why bother with Overwatch and Battleborne?

Can't the Team Fortress 2 Classic guys just update the graphics or something?

Tomorrow the open beta starts for everyone, you can download the game and see it for yourself entirely free. It's pretty much a demo lasting 4 days, can't have better deal than that, goy!

Sounds familiar…

No, you don't understandu.

What I'm trying to say is that why doesn't the TF2C devs get some HD texture mod and apply it to the mod.

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TF2C devs are lazy bastards who pretty quickly gave up on what they were going for from what I've read on the matter, along with something about reverse-porting content from live TF2 besides airblast and building moving

Only people who play it nowadays are furries and the few Holla Forums people who pop into live TF2 threads to shill it

Because the problem with the game isn't that it looks bad, it's that simple.
Nobody leaving TF2 for other games (Paragon, Battleborn, Overwatch or literally anything else) isn't doing so because the game doesn't look as pretty anymore.
They do so because they are tired of the current gameplay and want something new. And so far new weapons that kinda change the metagame or a patch that rebalances classes kinda does the trick (but it really doesn).

However now there are options, there are other games for them to trying, and quite honestly, most people saging in this thread sound a lot like either Valve shills or just people angry that TF2 is gonna lose a lot of players.

Which is stupid because competition is fucking amazing. Didn't you fags kept complaining about "no proper matchmaking or competitive gamemode"? Which was a valid point since pubs are cancerous as fuck, actually.
Well Overwatch puts a beta up, Star_, Jerma and similar faggots say "Oh this is shiny and new" and what does Valve do? Give you your matchmaking and competitive gamemode.
Overwatch gave you what you wanted in your game due to the wondrous power of competition. Be happy that at least someone forced Valve to actually put some work in their game, instead of complaining someone else likes something different.

A heavy on both sides stopping any meaningful aggression from soldiers doesn't exactly make for exciting gameplay, does it? Demo and scout wont work because you cant just walk on over to the enemy side and shit on someone without the rest of the enemy team doing anything. Except if your enemies are fucking retarded of course, but the games balance probably shouldn't rely on that.

Chances are you'll have a good idea of where the enemy is if you're actually communicating with your team

If the other Soldier has a Medic then you leave and wait for backup, just as any class would, retard. If they try rocket jumping over you to flank, your Medic gets behind you and you shoot them down while they're in the air. How is this hard to understand?

You said rockets being shot at you point blank, not at your feet. If they're at your feet, that's still less damage than full-on, and still not enough to significantly wound a Heavy with just one shot

That hallway doesn't have any corners or exits beyond the chute leading back to mid, you don't even know what you're talking about

Leading your target doesn't mean you're gonna magically get the health back from landing the milk anyway, and it's still possible to die even after throwing milk on the enemy

man, no wonder you were defending Overwatch, you probably don't even have 500+ hours

Then your team kills them. How is that even an argument?

Landing grenades on a Heavy then finishing off with stickies is the go-to strategy for taking down Heavies as Demo, assuming he doesn't avoid them or take out the Demo beforehand, but if a Demo is in the Heavy's face shooting him then he's a moron that's going to die anyway

For reasons already stated, a Heavy can take down a lone Soldier easily, even at a midfight

Dodging =/= tracking in terms of comparable skill

Played about 15 hours or so now, former fps compfag here.

Widowmaker is broken, and is the best example of Blizzard not knowing shit about designing an FPS. Basically the TF2 sniper with none of the downsides and a ton of upsides. Some of the maps being gigantic and having super long sightlines also contributes. She gets wallhacks as an ultimate, and her voiceline to announce it is the quietest in the game so you don't hear it half the time. I don't understand why a ton of new FPS games use wallhacks as a game mechanic, it's not engaging at all. I can see her being less good in a fully coordinated competitive environment, but for general play she's broken as shit. Good luck if your widow is worse than theirs.

They probably won't nerf it though, because if you suck at aiming it's obviously not very good.

Inb4 'ur bad', I'm already being matched with 'pro' players on a regular basis (IE the compfags that got into the closed beta).

Say what? Last I heard it, furries were banned there. They even went to the effort of googling your username and reading your profile for any scent of furryness, to the point where you could say nothing ingame and still be banned.

It would be pretty ironic if furries are the only thing keeping the server alive, considering how it was started as a way to escape the bronies, among other things.

Trips of Truth. Checked.

The only time I managed to kill Widowmaker is if I flanked her with a McCree or using Tracer but sometimes, Widow can sit on really high places that's out of range of Tracer and McCree so you're stuck with advancing with a Reinhardt.

There's also Pharah but a good Widow can still fuck her up.

That's pretty much the same major complaint my buddy who got into the first wave of the beta had, a lot of matches just come down to who has a better sniper. I think they've already nerfed Widow once so far so I wouldn't be surprised if the nerfs keep coming now that the volume of complaints is going to increase.

The game's pretty dead but not so dead Holla Forums's the only server m80

If the fight is 2v2, soldier+medic versus heavy+medic you leave? That's just accepting you lose against him!

But you don't just get one shot. You get several. Stop talking about DPS here for a second and tell me. How much damage can a heavy cause to a soldier during the time he takes to peek and shoot a rocket? And compare it to the damage that rocket can cause. Now tell me who outlasts who, instead of assuming every fight happens on Final Destination

You're one of those retards that thinks if you haven't played 300 hours of Counter Strike or 1000 eons of Dota 2 you can't comment about the game, are you?
Pic related, idiot. Does this mean I'm some sort of double expert? Because if you are gonna dismiss that point, why bring it in the first place?

What about you stop being a dickmuncher and you actually stop defending a class with the highest healthpool (heavy is countered after all), mobility and burst damage in the game that makes a ton of the other classes obsolete? Why don't you make a fun mental exercise here… Think about a 6man team that can only pick one class for all 6 players. Which class would you pick?

I though we were talking about 1v1 classes countering each other. Because their team then kills my team, I guess.

Provided the soldier has 0 cover to use, of course. Which happens in all those maps that are entirely empty with no features whatsoever. Too bad nobody plays those because they don't even exist.
Because in every other sitution, a soldier can find some cover to avoid bullets while reloading or waiting for the next shot, as well as higher ground to shoot down at will.

You are right, tracking is much easier so scout isn't ever a proper counter against heavy. Why'd you mention it to begin with? Just because some heavies are bad at tracking?

Her voice saying it in french is actually worse than the volume for hearing. But it's something you learn to pay attention too, since even footsteps help you a lot in tracking people.

Her wallhacks don't do much except help kill the other sniper better and negate any flanking attemps. Any other situation doesn't benefit from it at all.
Her shots are also screwed against Armor, even headshots. A single pack from Tolbjorn means she can't one-shot you, for instance. She's still good at handling Bastion with his 300 Armor but only because she can either force him to move away or kill him if his stubborn.

Yeah, a character like tracer should be able to ruin her but due to the grapple hook she can often times be in places a tracer literally can't get close to. Pharah just gets shit on 90% of the time if the widow is an average player. Best counter is herself, just like in tf2 the best counter to sniper was another sniper.

It's almost as if blizzard didn't realize how important overheal was in tf2 to mitigating some of sniper's effectiveness or something.

That's basically what's happening now. The worst part is you can't really switch to widow yourself, since if you're playing an important team role (tank/healer), you're going to gimp your team even more by being the second sniper.

To me, the biggest indicator of whether or not blizzard knows what they're doing at all will be if they nerf widow or not prior to release. I'm abandoning all hope if they don't, because it really is obviously a problem.

Wallhacks help in every situation, you really can't overestimate that level of situational awareness. It's a massive, massive advantage to be able to pre-aim a corner and instagib someone, as any class. Her shots being bad against armor doesn't really matter either, since the followup shot after the first fully charges so quickly. You can stay scoped and fire in really rapid succession, even just bodyshotting will net you decent results.

So they out-casualized TF2, impressive.
It wasn't enough to have more auto aim than Halo and shooting at a wall half a screen away from the target still kills him, gotta add those PRESS BUTTON TO WIN too for the ASSFAGGOTs players, great stuff.

Is D.Va Korean?

I had assumed she was Japanese until I heard her say "annyeong"

japs don't buy Blizzard's shit in the first place

I've never even played Overwatch and yeah the walking speed looks a little too slow for me, since I'm used to Doom and stuff, but I haven't written it off completely. I'm just waiting to see if Blizzard dips their greedy hands in it and adds a huge cash shop or not before jumping in and spending 40 dollars on something that might become shit later. I've spent over 600 hours in TF2 so far and it sucks that they've nerfed my main, Pyro, to complete shit recently. He's already the worst class in the game and they just went and shat on him even more.

I wish the game was balanced better but, oh well. I think I'll just stick to TF2C or something.

You said in a 2v1 scenario. If it's Heavy+Medic vs Soldier+Medic the Heavy can easily trump a Soldier, regardless of rockets. Heavy's DPS destroys a Soldier at close range and can out-damage even a Quick-Fix, that's no contest

Assuming they're both at medium-range with full health, with the Soldier behind a corner taking pot shots at the Heavy, not only can the Heavy run up from around the corner, rev up mid-jump, and take down the Soldier, but he can also wait until the Soldier fires 2-3 rockets and then choose to attack him. You're assuming the Soldier lands every single rocket at point blank despite not knowing the position of the Heavy each time he peeks, which just simply can't happen, unless the Heavy is standing completely still, but that's not going to happen in a competitive match

Doing what, nothing but pubs?

Scout
Soldier
Demo
Heavy
Medic
Last one could be either Sniper or Spy, Pyro is too limited and Engineer is only good for defensive play

You act like a Heavy can't also find cover

Are you new to competitive as a whole?

so… Korean?

it's not like tf2 at all aside from game modes. Anyone saying this is a retard who probably hasn't played it. Game is great but it lacks some features which i'm not entirely sure is because it's in a beta

Yes.

Yeah, no point pandering to someone to whom you might as well not even exist.

Yeah, she's a Korean.

I got a few more Press Q to wins.

Consider that her grappling hook actually has a big cooldown compared to Tracer's blink. And while you might not get a kill, putting her on the run means a breather for your team.

Also consider that, if Symtra puts a Shield on you, or even Zarya, a Tracer can get very close to the Widow while still having a lot of life, considering the damage reduction of Armor. The extra bit keeps you alive to escape the large hallways she is guarding. Or you know, use flanking routes. It's not like the scope has 180 vision.

I'm saying most of this because Widow doesn't even seem to be that popular. Most games I've played, I've had to take either her or Hanzo since a lot of people prefer to play other roles, I guess. And it doesn't make much of a difference, I've had games I've won with 0 snipers versus a team with a decent one and I've had the oposite too.
Widow is as OP as Bastion is, as in you gotta learn to play against her and minimize the importance she has in the game.

Whenever I see a Widow in the other team, I pick Genji, Tracer or Reaper and flank her for an easy kill, since she can't watch her back that well. I always know there's gonna be her mine and I look out for it as well, which turns out to be a disadvantage for her. Most widow's won't notice when the mine goes off but believe their backs guarded because of that.

D.Va is still considered underpowered, since without that Ulti she is a bit of a liability if you don't know proper positioning and flanking.
Also, the Soldier's auto-aim isn't as good as you might think. Headshots cause double damage for almost everyone but the soldier can't headshot at all during his ulti. If you have better aim, you can end him fast.

Beta's coming up in a day or two, give it a try first.
Suprisingly, althougth the game as an in-game currency, I haven't found any shop to buy it with real money. Seems it's just ingame rewards for that stuff.

a lot of the ults are like that but they're usually easy to avoid and don't have much of a game impact unless the other team coordinates them

I mean straight out aim assist, not the ability.

The way she's seated in that mech really makes me feel uncomfortable.

Why are some characters allowed an ultimate that can completely clear out a room without even trying and then the rest of the cast is left with a shitty ultimate that does next to nothing?

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Friend got it for me for my birthday. It's…okay. It's better then Division at least, but not as good as TF2.

At 40 bucks, I'm honestly happy with it. They aren't going full jew and stuffing it full of microtransaction bullshit, you have all the characters, future characters and maps will be free. If you have any casual friends, it's not a bad game to them into to play with you.

If you don't have casual friends, just play TF2 honestly.

Why is Tracer's "ULTIMATE ATTACK" just a pissy little timebomb?

It can't even kill most characters unless you stick it right on their fucking skull, and even then I don't know if it'd kill. I've stuck it straight on some of the heavy characters and it wounded them but didn't actually kill.

Elimination just means you contributed to a kill.

I first said in a 1v1 scenario, where the soldier win. You then added "but if there's a medic, the heavy can take the rockets" to which I mentioned "what happens if the soldier also has a medic" and you replied "the heavy runs away".
Indeed it's no contest, I've personnaly tried it as medic. But here's the key word : "close range". WHY IN THE SAM HILL WOULD THE SOLDIER BE IN "CLOSE RANGE"?
Are you being fucking dumb on purpose or something? We aren't talking about Gibus Vision players here, why would a soldier ever stand on open field or charge a heavy instead of relying on cover to outdamage to the fucker? It's been what? 6-8 posts now and you still haven't acknowledge how cover screws the entire DPS concept of Heavy while doing nothing against Soldier's burst damage. You're being obtuse on purpose to prove your point, you tard.

I'm sorry, what's that? Oh, it's the sound of juggling people around and knocking them back with rockets to prevent the kind of bullshit you are saying.
No wait, my mistake. It's the sound of a soldier seeing the heavy coming his way during one of his peeks and moving backwads to yet another corner. Because he moves faster than the Heavy.

You idiot. I could say you only have 50 hours of gameplay because you started recently and you want to be a pro-TF2 player and you could post your 1000+ hours played and I could say precisely the same. There is no Platinum Ranking or anything similar for TF2, you tard. You can't prove you are "competitive" in regular TF2, why would you even think this is a good point to make? Just how dumb are you, kid?

One rocket at close range kills a scout. Meanwhile, a scattershot at close range doesn't kill a soldier. Have fun chasing all the soldiers inside the small closed buildings where all the objectives are and trying to dodge rockets by jumping against walls. Have fun tryint to chase soldiers on open field when they can rocketjump and move faster than you.
Sticky's are the poorman's rocketjump, they have less health and if you can hit grenades directly, you could do the same with rocket's. They are worse in every single role
Yes, let's pick the slowest class in the game to chase objectives and dodge rockets.
Yes, let's pick the class with the shittiest weapons for combat to fight against soldiers. Because they don't murder medics for sport or anything

If both find cover, nobody shoots. This isn't a win for either side. But the soldier can peek and shoot his rockets for burst damage, while Heavy can't do the same. In fact, the soldier can shoot his rockets at the corner and hit the heavy for some damage even if he isn't peeking.

I'm not new at heavy, that's what I am. Do you really think in all those 600+ hours I've never had a Scout jumping over my head to screw my aim? It works the first few times when he surprises me, doesn't work as well when I know what he is gonna do. Or even better, when I get the Natasha.

Your entire post reeks of theorycrafting. You compare the numbers and see that the Heavy should outDPS the soldier, but you don't take into account positioning or how the guns work and what massive advantage the soldier can get from exploiting the environment while Heavy gets a very minimal one.
I ain't bothering to argue back to you, since you actually think a heavy is a serious threat to a decent soldier. Go argue in competitive forums, go tell them how he totally stands a chance against people used to hit direct rockets to juggle people around. Go tell them that he has a chance against people that know the map so well, every move puts them behind some cover to exploit. Go tell the competitive community that puts 2 soldiers and MAYBE never a single heavy in a match that he is a viable option.

What game are you playing? I'm not even joking when I say this, she's been picked in *literally every single match* I've played.

If you are gonna post that, at least don't be disengineous and mention how the damn thing works, you idiot.

McCreeds ulti reduces his speed, puts a big glowing light around him (supposelly, it's a sunset) and the "It's high noon" can be heard by everyone on the oposing team.

The ability also has a cast time that has to go trough in full for a chance at instakill, otherwise it deals much reduced damage.
In case you guys missed, out of all those 3 characters, 1 made it with a sliver of health.

No aim assist in the game then. Console version is gonna have it, most likely, but then again it's the console version, who cares.

Because she can flank very well and land it right on the back of people, making it a very good ability for her.

Also, you might have tried it on characters with armor (the yellow health bar). As long as they have armor, any damage above 10 poitnts, I think, is reduced to half, so the bomb isn't very good for that.
What you can do is toss it in the back of one of those characters to take their armor and then finish them off as they are very weak without it.

Considering there's only her and Hanzo as snipers and the game even gives you a "helpfull team hint" about "no snipers", it's natural that you see snipers in almost every match. But I'll see Hanzo as often as her and for some sections of the map, especially when attacking at first, she isn't picked.

Pfft.
Sorry, user.

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i mean, people dying to an ult that requires people to not be an idiot is kind of natural on the first day most of these people are playing

That asshole's stun grenade is the bane of my existence as a Tracer.

I can't think of a single other ability that can fuck me over harder than that.

Friend gave me a beta key. Played it for a bit. It's pretty bland and the "humor" is grating.

Also,

You made it seem like it was if the tables were turned and it was a 2v1 situation, in which case if it is a 2v2 Heavy pocket vs Soldier pocket situation then yes, the Heavy trumps the Soldier

Again, you're purposely being retarded. A soldier that has been peeking a corner getting ambushed by a Heavy is obviously in close range of his Minigun, and even if he tries to rocket jump away not only will he take blast damage but also be gunned down mid-flight (or die after landing, most likely if he has gunboats equipped) Even the best Soldier can't outlive a Heavy at close range, which is the most likely scenario to happen if he comes around from behind a corner right in the Solly's face

Because even the top competitive TF2 players know that if a player hasn't passed a certain amount of hours they are no good at TF2. There's a ton of factors to take in during the game and it's clear not only from your defense towards Overwatch but also your previous statement about favoring Engineer that you don't know a shit about matchups

You never said "pick a 6 man team that can fight soldiers" you said "pick a 6 man team that can only have one of each class", and I did

Take the containers at Granary, for instance. If the Heavy is covering one side, the Soldier will go the other. If the Soldier goes to the other, he'll get blasted for at least 50 damage. Even if he takes the high ground, he'll still get bodied against a Heavy that's tracking and strafing properly.

are you talking about the extremely easy to ignore "personalities" of the characters?

It's pretty obnoxious when characters talk all throughout the match and when you're forced to watch that play of the game shit at the end of every match

Sorry for what? His ulti only ends up aimint at 2 people since one heard the voice and went for cover, and one of the targets even survives it.
So much for "one kit kill ultis"…

Assuming he is as retarded as you and doesn't see the heavy coming his ways. At which point he can aim a rocket at his feet to juggle him back, run away for cover with higher range, or even better start shooting. Because if the heavy wants enough speed to reach the corner before the soldier can kill him, he can't have the minigun revved up, and if he has it revved up, the soldier can easily hear it and know he is coming.

Again, your entire point is assuming the soldier is as braindead and stactic as you are. That he won't go back for cover when he sees or hears the incoming heavy or even just juggle him away like all pros do.

And yet my 600+ hours don't mean anything because "It was just pubs, right?".
You made that point to try and disprove me using a reverse appeal to authority but it doesn't fit your narrative of "he must be a noob" so you are now discarding that point as best as you can.
You're a disengineous idiot full of theory craft and little to no practice.

Heavy is my thirst most played class followed by Medic and Engy. I've tried it as Heavy, I've seen it as Medic, and unless the fight is 2v1, the Soldier always won against the Heavy in all my 600+ hours, unless he actually had as much brain damage as you.
What's more, I'm not even that good as soldier, being my 3rd from last played class, and I can deal with heavies piss easy unless I go full retard and charge them.

Got any example people can point out it's either not real or you simply don't have a sense of humour or are you gonna leave it in a very generic way so nobody can argue your "point"?

So this could be pirateable as long as you dont mind not playing with friends without third party programs?

I'm not gonna get into a heated argument over what is or isn't funny, especially with some random user on an internet message board

Also,
>(25)

Dunno. I think there was an operational "server emulator" for Diablo 3 that allowed you to play offline. Also a few programs that allowed real LAN play for Starcraft 2.

If Blizzard is using the same authentication method for Overwatch, it would be a matter of emulating a server and you could possibly not only play offline with AI but maybe even in LAN with friends.

Which might be a tad harder if the code in the server is substantially different from the code in the client, something that's probably what's really been done.

Then the Heavy has defended the area

He jumps around the corner, catches the Soldier off-guard, then blows them down because by the time he's hit the ground from the jump his Minigun is already revved and ready

Then the people you play with are dogshit, which is believable considering how it seems like you've done nothing but play on Valve servers. Play some newbie mixes, watch a few demos, or do a few lobbies on TF2 Center or Stadium, you'll see how bad you really are compared to people that know the game

I still enjoy tf2. I really want the ranked matchmaking to come out already

Hmmm if that is the case i might give Overwatch a pirate.

Except he didn't. He is currently chasing the Soldier out of the area, you idiot. And it's not like the soldier has to go far, the very next corner gives him enough time to shoot 2-3 rockets and repeat the process. The longer the heavy chases, the more damage the soldier can cause. And if he doesn't chase, the soldier will and murder him, since he is faster anyway.

Finds the corner empty, because the Soldier isn't even there. He saw the aproaching Heavy and retreated a bit back while shooting while walking backwards.
Are you still assuming that the Soldier just stands there and waits for the Heavy to come his ways? Are you really this fucking dense?

So Final Destination, no Side Grades, is that it?

Overwatch might pull a miracle and get some of the popularity that TF2 had, but it will more than likely be another Titanfall.

Probably.
It is.

What reason would he need to chase? The Soldier is already low and leaving the area, clearly Heavy has managed to defend or pushback the area successfully if the enemy has had to leave

Then the Heavy has no need to continue pushing due to the Soldier running away like a puss

I never said they stand there, but the implication is that they would begin to backpedal or doing something else to get away, with either case ending in the Soldier dead on the ground due to the amount of damage that can be deployed in seconds

You know, never mind, it is a good thing you swapped to Overwatch, we don't need yet another pubber with no real knowledge of how the game works

Man, seriously. If backpedaling while shooting rockets back, or repositioning after seeing a Heavy rushing your position are tactics too advanced that you can't understand them, I shudder to think at how you'd even try to comprehend using the blast of rockets to juggle the heavy away.
You are bad at TF2. You've yet to see the myriad of ways a soldier has to deal with a Heavy or how every map favours the soldier.

Keep on being delusioned, leaguecrafting and sucking TF2 crocket, I guess.
I'll be playing a game where the soldier equivalent has to put some effort into the game and there is more than a single viable class, especially considering how Armor actually makes Tanks viable chacters. Seriously, Roadhog or Reinhart are everything I always wanted the Heavy to be but never was. Playing with them is actually fun, instead of being a game of
"here come's the soldier, let's shoo- no wait, he went for cover. I can chase and eat rockets or run and be chased with rockets. I'll keep aiming and spinning my minigun while strafi- no, wait. I'm gonna eat all those rockets because I'm at the slowest speed possible in the game and it's braindead easy to peek and aim at me. Guess that's that. Wish I had a medic. And he didn't".

Whatever you say shitter

Is that a pink big zam?

You actually said that GRU are a solution to Heavy's slow speed. That alone disqualifies you from even having an opinion on this matter.
And you are saying all this just to prove that "no, other classes besides Soldier are totally viable as well!"

You're not convincing anyone and things in the server don't act out like they do inside your mind. TF2 is bad for being balanced around the soldier, every other class is just gimping yourself to have some advantage under specific circumstances or support the soldiers in some way.
You are obviously in denial but no matter how much you wish it wasn't so, it's still not true.

Heavy or even any other class only works on pubs when there's more people to keep the other team busy so they can't focus on you. For 6v6 or even worse, 1v1, it simply doesn't work and Soldier is always gonna be the chosen class, just like 2v2 will always be a soldier and a medic.

Valve sees Overwatch as a threat, ence why the matchmaking now, after all the years of begging. And the players see the game as threat, ence why so many sages and "this game is bad because opinions and buzzwords".
Personnaly, I'm sick and tired of TF2.
I'm tired of being top of the board in every single match, fighting only against the other 2 guys on top of their board and seeing every fight reduced to "who picked soldier more often".
I wish TF2 to follow the same fate TF2C is suffering: to be filled with elitist cunts unable to try new concepts or accept circlejerking over rocketjumping isn't actually than much fun, while everyone else leaves and lets the game die.
I can't wait for Team Fortress 3, filled with memes and incredibly unbalanced shit on release, as they scramble to try and make something that actually brings people back, getting a backlash from the older community and uninterest from the new one.

because they are

Certain 4v4 selections don't even use Soldier, the only one in denial here is you since you can't adapt or realize that there are people who know how to deal with soldiers

Only if the Medic has their Uber ready, otherwise it's one dead American and one dead German, especially in an open area like a capture point on a KOTH map (or perhaps I should say Arena, you didn't know the difference before either)

Matchmaking seems more like a carry over from CSGO like many of the other changes they've done recently, including tiers, skins, and contracts. You have to realize, most of the current TF Team is made up of the same people working on CSGO

Stop playing Valve servers then, pubbie

TF2C is suffering from no attention to bug fixes and jerking off over non-Classic game modes rather than support for remaking the Beta with other unused ideas, which was the original intention of the mod

Chances are if they make a new TF game it will be a TFC reboot, which you won't like either because you wouldn't be able to handle grenades

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What do learned this time?
Sausage party > Pointless pandering mixed with publicity stuns.

Actiblizzbeth
2020 beeeetch.

Well they'd hardly be sustainable with fatties around, would they.

Why is Widowmaker so popular?
I mainly play Pharah so whenever I see one I just go around the flanks then rocket juggle her to death. I also saw some D'VA and Winston just straight up pound her ass and make it so she can never do anything.

Sniper characters or weapons in FPS games are always popular with people terrible at sniping.

I played the open beta and I was shocked at how mediocre it was.
It's not bad, it's not good, it's just sorta okay.
For $40 I want a better game than okay.

That said, I look for new D.va porn at least once a week now.

Bitch got a big purple ass.

yeah i think you're right, thinking back to TF2 and Bad Company 2, always shitty snipers.

you can't see her ass in first person!

I love Overwatch for the simple fact that it's pissed off the worst people on Holla Forums: the dumb niggers who spam shill in every thread. Who cares about talking about a game when you can disrupt discussion by claiming the other person is being paid to talk about a game?

Soldier isn't even the best class in the game, i have no idea how shitters are still delusional enough to believe this. A clear sign that someone hasn't played at a level that actually matters. I don't get why people compare overwatch to tf2 anyway, its actually more like a shitty monday night combat.

Why would i play has her?
Im just going to crouch behind her and bury my digital face in that massive ass.

Just disable characters while holding the flag. Like any class based FPS. Why is that so hard? Also, TF2 manages it with the Scout. These are not good excuses.

I honestly believed that this game was going to be f2p.

Soldier's the overall average in terms of capability, unfortunately reinforced both by wide-open map design allowing rocketjumping errywhere (hilariously 2fort is actually one of the maps where he can't do this for the most part since most fighting is indoors) and his favoritism for new weapons (having a backpack that gives Medic-style regen is some bullshit), so a lot of people gravitate towards him due to high mobility if you practice a lot and good combat capability besides. There really isn't a flat "best" though and the claim that Soldier can cover any and all roles or that rocketjumping is faster/more reliable than a teleporter that I saw earlier is fucking laughable, TF2's very much about having the right class at the right time, reinforced by being able to switch classes whenever the hell you feel like.

Give it a few months.

I got a code and played it. It was okay

The viral attempts are getting a little desperate Blizz.Once again 8 years too late to the moneytrain.

console gamers pls

I don't think it's worth 35€, but at least it's not a retarded moba-like game copying *everything* from other games.

I think I'll just play the beta until I kill it of boredom then never think about it again. Besides, people now are ridiculously bad and it's piss easy to stomp them.

Thank God for open / closed betas of games that are fun only for a week.

well, the downside i guess is that theres so many other characters with relatively high mobility. isnt winston or dva gonna shit in her breakfast cereal? or are they such big obvious things that they can simply fall to a safer spot if they know theyre being hunted and win a vietnam battle?
in the class showcase gameplay videos i watched the sniper classes just rack up kill after kill. i just assumed the enemy team was bad. as far as snipers go they really get to play on their own terms. but i think a reinhardt, winston or other deployable shield is a core part of the game though, which could limit their effectiveness

EVERY TIME A BLIZZARD GAME IS ANNOUNCED OR RELEASED WE GET SWARMED BY SHILLS

Fuck off, this is exactly what happened with SC2, Diablo 3, and WoW expansions.

Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

Check my dubs shills.

people like sniping because your potential k:d is amazing. if you dont die, that means youre a huge asset to the team even if youre just sitting way in the back picking up easy kills that slip through.

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You cant talk about video games here, this is Holla Forums!

How about checking this?

Blizzard games are stupidly popular, especially with PC gamers which make up a very large percentage of Holla Forums's userbase. If something is noteworthy people will talk about it on imageboards that are dedicated to the medium which the noteworthy product is a part of. Like it or not, there will be discussion about games you don't like. Live with it. Hide threads. It's not a fucking conspiracy that people are talking about the only notable event (as far as I know, could be wrong) happening in gaming this week.

Zenon The Stoic hooked up with a tranny and is now a hardcore SJW that thinks GG is worse than hitler.

The literal only thing of worth this game has produced is porn, and whenever these fucking threads show up it's nothing but shills trying to defend their fucking shitty game and zero porn.
DUMP THE PORN ALREADY YOU FLAMING FAGGOTS

I'm disappointed at this thread, where's the porn?

Disagree with you entirely user.

Porn-bombing a shill thread is a good way to drive away the shills, because their games quickly become associated with porn. Taking porn dumping to a porn section won't have the same anti-shilling effect.

Did all the Evolve porn affect the game at all?

all i know is that their quality dropped off a cliff around sometime after Warcraft 3. they're basically run of the mill AAA shovelware now. oh look a horrible Diablo game, a lukewarm starcraft sequel, yet another MOBA, a fucking card game, and now a objective based FPS to compete with all those other objective based FPSes. its trash made for trash.

its a product first and a video game second. the only thing noteworthy about it is its marketing budget
some mediocre FPS is notable? the only reason this thread exists is because Blizzard has a lot of money for marketing.

sex appeal is a part of why anyone cares about this game

Xonotic's cool, but you don't need to shill for it in every random thread.

people like to think that they have the power to do that, but in reality its just a wraithfag who wants people to post his waifu

The biggest problem of this game, is that it the match making makes me want to kill myself.

HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO GO TO THE OBJECTIVE?

POST PORN ALREADY

It's why stopped playing HoTS with random retards and with friends only.
Good luck finding a single person that will do objectives, which is how you actually win, and not a bunch of tryhard retards that will just go for le epic killings and then wonder how the other team won.
Surely them having a coordinated actions of collecting doubloons and bombing the shit out of our base while you retards are running around trying to pvp had absolutely nothing to do with it.

gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=overwatch

Your team mates are probably hoping someone else will go for the objective.

Marketing is what you do when your product is shit and you know it. Why do you think AAAs these days spend most of their money on marketing?

Porn-bombing a thread with porn of the game in question isn't going to work unless it's shock or gore. Really any shock or gore will do but the do it for free team would never have the balls to allow that

Technically bringing up any game is shilling it, though there is a difference between when it's okay and when it's not and these constant Overwatch threads are an example of when it is not

Got a key for free, played for a few hours.
Game feels slow as fuck even on "fast" heroes.
Fucking cooldowns everywhere.
Unlocks, unlocks, unlocks.
I don't have a lot of experience but I'm sure balance is all over the place.
Maybe I'll play it after it goes F2P. Probably not.
I'd rather just watch porn.

I go for it. They don't even go near it to cover me. They just bang their head near the spawn trying to 5v1 a Tracer.

I said popular, not good. After they got fat and lazy with WoW they lost the beloved childhood idols status, but a lot of people still hold them in high esteem. I think they did something great by making Overwatch somewhat smaller in scope and expectations than their previous games. It's not amazing but it's better than the abortions they've been making for the past 10 years. I'm also happy it's an arena shooter since TF2 got stale.

As for it being notable, it's an open beta for a big release. That's pretty notable compared to the nothing that's happening this week.

g.e-hentai.org/tag/parody:overwatch

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Chinese, Indian, Fish and Chips

Every single aspect of Overwatch's character design, world and voice acting pisses me off.

It's like Blizzard grabbed as many pandering ideas as they could and rammed them up the asshole of an inexplicably expensive multiplayer-only shooter. Every single goddamn aspect of the game is sharpened to a fine point to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I was hoping this disgusting show of focus-testing and aggressive marketing would fail, but we all know Blizzard will experience record profits from Overwatch. We might even start getting sequels, "e-sports" and endless fucking mania for this shit.

Fuck life.

Where's the porn?
There's nothing else going for the game.
Where is it?
Post it.

Stop bumping the shill thread for fucks sake.

read the thread faggot

Posting and linking are different things.

whats your point then ?
who is stupid enouth to download and repost 500mb of overwatch porn in on thread ? and on life support Holla Forums?

go there if you want to post >>>/vp/7753
i ain t doint it in the actual crippled Holla Forums

*post porn*

"Other team" stands no chance user.

unfortunately you cant just "be that tracer" since you have an objective to accomplish

well that was fun while it lasted. game seems reliant on team composition and counterpicking. I wanted a new pubstomp game to shit around in, but this is just a moba in disguise.

Ah, we've reached the point where the ratio of smart people to shills and retards has shifted so Overwatch threads aren't sagebombed anymore.

RIP Holla Forums, it was a shit time but it was OUR shit time.

yeah im not really sure why theyre not including a server browser. im sure its another effort to deter piracy

Stracraft has "LAN support" as in, you gotta go online first with your account and then you can play in LAN, so it's not like they can't do something similar to allow for a server browser while detering piracy.

It's more that it's kinda pointless since teams are fairly small and you don't have any way of knowing the skill level of the players without joining in and testing the game.
I mean, even in TF2, at best you get a 22/24 to describe the server and you make your pick based on the map and latency anyway.

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What a fucking surprise.

Why would you want to give your partner other options? So he realizes there's better stuff than you out there?

She is so fucking desperate for sex, she's willing to let every criminal out of jail on the offchance one will rape her.

At least she's aware of her lolcow status

I get the belly dancing, but that's only because the only critical thing about her is her belly.

So it's that thing were animals recognize the danger in others by some specific features in their body

Bitch please, you never had any of those. And an extra dose of burritos isn't happiness.

Dear Lord, how did her self awareness manage to exit her gravity zone?

Standing home, waiting for someone to ask you on a date, while petting your cats and watching TV. Like every fat ass ever.

It's a sacrifice your gonna have to do for the sake of everyone else's eyes. Potato sacks aren't that bad anyway.

How can anyone go trough their lives, start a profile on the internet for a dating site, write all that shit and not question his\her life choices?
How can she even think that there's anything right in her life? Who gave her the signal that everything is okay?
Doesn't the lack of partners clue her on how much people like her fatness? Maybe the diabetes or a myriad of other diseases will do the trick…

You might want to consider going back to 4/v/

its a blizzard game, did you expected anything but utter shit?

Hey bud, you managed to draw the attention of a lot of people in the thread who think you're an idiot.

Movement speed for the majority of characters is measured to 5.5 metres per second. This is outside of abilties to buff speed. This is the baseline.

Call of Duty is 8.

Most FPS games are 9, including most of the classes in TF2.

Quake is 12, without bunnyhop.

Doom is 33.

Additonally, the objectives in Overwatch are so far from spawn, it's impossible to not notice, bad level design is another fault this turd has.

In many instances, it can take 30 seconds of crawl to reach the objective. Now imagine if you get zerged, or someone hits you with a headshot, or an ultimate.

8 second respawn, 30 second crawl.

Now imagine for a moment your team is terrible. You can't do anything against the other team because Overwatch allows little to no agency.

Lucky you, you died 8 times.

You've spent 4 minutes of a 15 minute game walking to an objective.

You've spent 1 minute waiting to respawn.

Does that sound like a fast paced game?

Everyone here can easily dismantle every part of your argument. I think you should stop posting.

good times…

That's correct. I can easily dismatle your entire "argument".

Movement speed is relative. You could make a character move at 100 meters per second and he would still feel slow if everyone was 100 meters tall and the levels where 5000 meters large. Mentioning absolute values proves you have no idea how speed and size actually works in videogame design.

The beta is open for everyone in the following days. You can hop in and see how wrong you are on your own or keep on being wrong.

Respawning is 6 seconds tops, traveling takes me about 10 seconds as well. And this as Tolbjorn without any speed boost from Lucio. This is roughly 15 seconds between every death to come back into the game. Not to mention there's always the good advice of "Don't be all Rambo and go alone, retreat, heal, wait for teammates and try again".

Secondly, you sound like all the kids in TF2 that believe Instant Respawn is the coolest shit ever, since you clearly have no idea what respawn and travel time does for the gamebalance.
If everyone respawned too fast and too close to the objective, killing the oposing team would have little to no effect in allowing you some time to capture it. You'd constanly be peeled by an eternall respawning army. Therefore you need either long respawn timers or long travel timers. Using both is overkill, so you gotta pick one, and while traveling for a bit longer isn't very fun, it surely beats observing the game from a deathcam.

This whole diatribe of yours about "fast paced" seems to be about you trying to compare it with Quake or Xonotic or some other similar arena shooter. But the point of the game isn't to be incredibly fast at all times nor should it be. There are fast characters that can and should go fast and there are slow characters that do other things very well and therefore should be slow.
For the record, you aren't even correct. Genji and Tracer's speed is 6 meters, not 5 and Lucio is about 8, before his own boost.

I just remembered something as well. Fast paced doesn't necessarily mean fast move speed. That can be one element that does help but it's not the only nor can it be. If that were the case, just about any Sonic game would be more fast paced than Quake. Need for Speed would be even more fast paced than Doom as well.

Fast paced involves a quick sucession of elements that you must react to, which does happen in Overwatch quite often. From the many different routes in the levels (with way more verticality than TF2 for more classes than just soldier, demo and specific loadouts for the scout) to the many different enemies, all with different abilities that have to synergize with each one, the game does demand a lot from you in a very short amount of time, otherwise all of your efforts will be neutralized by the tank's shields and you'll die to any of the offense class.

If you're still gonna bitch about "not being fast paced enough for me", I'll assume you just can't handle a Mei Ling on the other team.

If you played Team Fortress Classic or anything like that then this is the exact same game.
People are going crazy over it because they're really just new to games.

You all have to consider every single game that comes along and people go nuts over and you're wondering what all the hype is about is more to do with your experience in pure timeline and logged hours in games.
You're seasoned and you know what's happening.
You're genre savvy, as they would say.

the pacing is way different, and the fact that even some of the fatties are extremely mobile shakes up your expectations if youre expecting it to be tf2

FUCKING SECONDARIES

GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

You are a jaded faggot.

Played 2 rounds like that and uninstalled it. It's unsatisfying and needlessly aggravating for how little actually happens. Has some UI issues where damage to you isn't clearly indicated as well.

Zenyatta is really interesting as a support but has zero fucking movement options. You can't tank hits, you're slow and you can't dish out decent damage. It's fucking atrocious that he can't even reach all the vantage points most players can because his jump is so small.

Overwatch is a game where you can have fun if you enjoy ASSFAGGOTs, it's the kind of game that makes you think you're doing well and fucks the flow of gameplay by giving away free ultimates. There's very little skill involved in most plays and it's clear the devs didn't think much about balancing movement capabilities for all characters. At the very least they should all have the ability to dodge. But most just crawl around at a snails pace. It's not good, it's not really fun or rewarding. It just feeds you good feelings by giving you ultimates that give easy kills.

AND THERE'S NO FUCKING AMMO MANAGEMENT

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Lovely post, user. I'm really glad you broke this down because it's one of my biggest gripes with this fucking game.

It's okay, it's not complete shit but it's not amazing either. I would have paid $20 - $30, but not $40 for it.

anyone playing? can we play together?

I'm having fun with the game so far, but I feel like it's going to get repetitive after a few days.
There's very little content and it's obvious the ultimates are designed to give scrubs guaranteed kills to make them feel better about themselves. (I mean, a fucking aimbot? Really?)
It'd be a decent game if it was f2p but there's no fucking way this is worth 40 shekels.

Holy shit what is up with turrets in this fucking game?

too fucking op

I think the average movement speed in TF2 is 5.7 m/s, so it's not really that much faster than most overwatch characters.

Just snipe them

the aimbot ult isnt really that great when compared to bastion's tank ult, widowmakers recon, mercys rez, etc. its just something for people to get upset about

personally, I dont really have an issue with the speed of the game-as someone said i believe tf2 is about the same rate and everyone thinks tf2 is gold standard….when its always been a shitty copy of a quake mod imo

Nigga you serious?

Bastion's turret has like no spread right?

if theyre camping in a corner just corner dance until theyre dead

you do realize he cant move, right?

its got no spread

So this is how you sell a game. Put cute girls in it and people will buy even thought the game itself does not contain any nudity.

But I really shouldn't judge, I once paid 15€ for a tiny bit of cheese just because the saleswoman was cute.

Bastion isn't a fucking problem though. I can just reflect his shit back with Genji. Torbjorn and Symettra's shit are literally cancer to deal with. They can just keep plopping them down and the turn speed is instant can't even peek out and try to hit it. AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON TORB'S TURRENT RANGE AND HEALTH HOLY SHIT

You suck at dubs. Post porn instead.

>it doesn't look like absolute shit, but Actiblizzard + Eatsports will fix that

I seriously hope you're just being sarcastic and I'm bad at reading comprehension, or you're the newest fag I've ever met.

Overwatch is mediocre, and most of the people here seem aware of it. Screaming shill the moment someone says "I played game X" is liable to make you look like a retard on par with 'stormfag' false flaggers.

Or to advertise a product when you want people to buy it. Y'know, the thing that's been done for centuries. VIRAL Marketing by way of 'grassroots popularity' is what you really need to be wary of.

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As some with a bodysuit fetish the game honestly sells itself. I'm going to give it a fair chance with the beta since TF2 is pretty lame at this point.

They really did their research with the designs though, they pretty much went down a checklist. Game kind of runs like ass even on lowest possible settings though

Anyone here thought Tracer was adorable?

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Dive it with D.va with her forward shields up.
Keep on firing until it dies. If you dive it, it'll keep targeting you so your team can move up without being shot at.

It's a sign.

I would bonk her

Gonna base my decision on whether to get it or not on playing it this weekend.

So far it seems like whether any of my friends will get it or not will be a major component in the purchase decision. Random people seem to lack coordination in a major way, and with the character classes one would think that it would be a great asset for the team to have some.

D.va is cuter.

Why is partially outside her mech?
Why is she an Eldar?

Hanzo seems super fucking popular as far as I've seen. What would be the easiest way to counter him?

that's Mari and Eva Unit 8. For sure.

Winston is probably pretty good for it since you can jump right on top of him, barring that if you're a better sniper you could do Widowmaker. Tracer and Reaper would be okay but you risk getting oneshot by a scatter arrow to the feet or anywhere indoors.

>white and Jewish

That mech is cute.

Waste of dubs.

Kill yourself.

Thanks. And good, since I really like using Winston too. Jumping around is fun. I've mostly been wrecking widowmakers from high spots on him that way, but I guess it applies to Hanzo too.

Does it have good pacing? A game can be slow but have good enough pacing for it to not matter. I'm gonns be broke for the rest of the year so I won't be picking it up outside of it being on sale for $30 if it's good enough.

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Depends what you consider as "good" for pacing. Most levels tend to be constant push/pull as far as I've noticed.

Why not just pirate it and not give those dicks any money.

You aren't even looking at the character while you're playing

It's a focus group's cluster fuck

deprived canadian here who fucking loves gummy candy. what the hell are these two things circled? the best candy we have in this frozen hellhole are probably cola bottles or maybe swedish fish. i have literally never seen these two specifically before and they look awesome