The Future of Human Labor

seriously, learn how to work on / fix machinery and robots and let the other NPCs fend for themselves. If you're worried about societal collapse get gun / weapons, learn how to cook, learn farming, and prepare. Don't post your concern-troll shit on Holla Forums.

We either embrace the tech and accept universal income. Perhaps later on we start transhumanist efforts so people are upgraded so to speak and can earn their share once again. Or we cut tech off at the legs now and prevent further progress so people keep jobs, so the hierarchy and status quo is preserved. These are the peaceful and "easy" options.

Or we go with the "sink or swim" approach, where if you can secure work, good for you. If you can't, tough shit live on scraps. This approach will lead to more immigration as there simply won't be enough high skill workers.

You could say the same about any political speculation and interpretation thread. It's still worth talking about.

I'm sure you can see the difference between the automation revolution and the industrial revolution. And you'll notice that the industrial revolution did put horses out of work except in a few edge cases, and since automation is about order of magnitude greater than industrialization, it's no great stretch to think that the effect on humans will be similar.

I mean I went over this in the OP, what new jobs are you foreseeing that I didn't mention? Or do you think I'm overestimating the future capabilities of those technologies?

yes we're all going to become obsolete and die.
jew are too OP.
better kill yourself right now.

The day skilled, technical labor of thought is no longer needed is the day machines would be smart enough to kill us.

There will be a market for hand-produced items, same as organic now. UBI is a fucking retarded design to promote and save the retarded.

Let me give you a big red pill. There is not going to be muh post-scarcity automated gommunism. This is because peak oil is a fact.

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That'll work for a while, but it won't be long until the robots can fix each other. This isn't science fiction by any means, this is near/medium future stuff. This isn't concern trolling by any means and I'm not sure you know what concern trolling is. Maybe if this was some transhuman or futurist forum my post would be concerntrolling.

Yeah that's something I looked over, taking a sort of anti-tech approach and promoting Luddism on a large scale, like Ted Kaczynski talked about. He was a clever guy.

Way to avoid the question, dipshit. Whether or not you grow the balls to discuss the subject won't change what happens. Go ahead and kill yourself if you really think that's the answer, otherwise let's talk about it.

In an age of widespread automation, what alternatives do you see besides UBI or a mass culling of the human population? I already talked about what I think niche markets will look like but I'm sure you'll agree they won't be big enough to support everyone, just like today most folks just buy the cheapest shit they can find.

If you're implying people go off the grid and craft goods and create some sort of barter economy, that's not a bad idea but I don't think it addresses the problem as a whole because it would be a minority of people that do that.

I don't like UBI either but like I said, when most people are obsolete even if they're skilled or intelligent, something's gonna happen.

The third option you present is really the only option that would benefit individuals. Unfortunately, our rulers don't have any interest in what benefits us.
They are planning options 1 and 2. Population reduction is already in the early stages. They're going to drop our numbers to under a billion, purposefully killing off people with high IQs who are not part of the ruling class, and give the remaining low-IQ brown mass UBI to pacify them. They'll be used for sexual gratification, servantry, experimentation, and whatever menial labor still remains.

Robots won't be drawing niche porn anytime soon.

talk to me when you step out of the basement one day, stupid fuck.

like i said mental masturbation. i'm out of this shit thread.

Your loss.

UBI is a meaningless debate. It is every bit as utopian as communism. And even post scarcity it is not the only logical outcome for an economic system. You make the same mistake the pinkos do by approaching the problem with the assumption that positive change is necessary to solve this "problem."

You're going way the fuck out of your way to ignore evidence. If you're going to refuse to accept the sheer amount of people that don't fall under the "obsolete" label, you're not arguing in good faith. I don't think you're a concern shill, but you've worried yourself myopic.

Law will never be in charge of computers. There's no way people will accept the judgement of a machine.

Then give me some examples. What evidence, exactly, am I ignoring? That not everyone lost their jobs in the industrial revolution, only some?

I hope you're wrong. Not that I doubt that many would be more than partial to the future you present, I don't think they'd be able to pull it off quite so smoothly.

full automation = death of humanity. be a bit of a luddite do shit yourself

Yeah it really makes you wanna take some guns and a small family and live in the woods. We already know the government doesn't like that shit one bit though.

The trades aren't going away any time soon, bubba.

This is the second thread I've seen about muh automation in 2 hours. Coincidentally this is also the narrative I've been hearing from the leftist hives during the past couple of weeks.

There is obviously somebody feeding this narrative to the leftists, and its being shilled here hard as well. Maybe because this is one of the greatest things Emperor Trump is accomplishing, the revival of American manufacturing. (((they))) are scrambling to do some serious damage control and downplay the significance of Trump's work because "muh robots and muh automation".

I'll give you that, the trades are more resilient to automation than most work because their nature varies widely and changes a lot on a job-to-job basis. That said, they will be able to be automated eventually but well before that we're gonna have an issue when a lot of jobs have already been automated. It's not like we're all good until it hits 100% unemployment, shit's gonna be very noticeable at 30-50% and upwards and that's pretty easy to hit in the very near future.

Like I said dipshit, it is a good thing Trump's doing and will put America in a better position going forward. I'm not trying to downplay it, I'm saying that automation is going to be a bigger deal than industrialization was.

if you don't get why we react the way we do then get out interloper

Read the thread and compile a list of ways around automation and people who won't be "obsolete". Type the fucking thing out.

You typed all of this in response to one line of text and a shitty pic? So much time wasted, jobs aren't the only reason to want industry to return even if they managed to massively reduce the number of required workers for a factory.

Sounds to me like you don't have a reason at all, you're just scared of thinking about it. Like it or not, it's gonna be a big deal.

So you tell me you have evidence that I haven't seen, then you tell me that it's in this very thread and I haven't seen it? I've responded to probably more than half the posts ITT, and I dunno what you're talking about. Trades? Yeah, they'll be more resilient than most, and repairing the robots falls under that category as well. But these jobs won't last forever, and second, you don't need full 100% unemployment before shit starts getting drastic and needs to be addressed.

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I agree, bringing the manufacturing back puts us in a better position to be the ones doing the automated. That doesn't mean we can ignore the other effects, though.

I honestly think technology has been a mistake and that we should revert to pre-Industrial Revolution era lifestyles.

Since this is impossible our species will die out.

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While in some ways I agree, I also think it's important that humanity reaches and colonizes the stars. A simplistic lifestyle is really appealing but without technological advancement, we'd just keep doing the same shit until we took a hit from a giant asteroid, or the Sun explodes. I mean there are definitely worse fates than that but personally, I wanna see humanity explore the universe.

Yeah, because there are so many political scientists with degrees populating Holla Forums. Most people here are self-educated on the subjects they discuss and not "qualified" to have opinions on them, that doesn't keep discussion from happening and the occasional gem coming out of it. Makes for a lotta dumb shit too, though. So if you feel like I've said something stupid or overlooked something obvious, feel free to point it out.

I think it's important to talk about this because well before automation completely automates all human labor, it'll automate enough of it that we'll have very high unemployment rates and that's not a good or stable state of affairs.

Okay faggot. A serious version of my previous post. I'm an automation engineer. I've worked primarily in food manufacturing, automotive, and pharmateutical for over a decade. I primarily design and code using technologies from Rockwell, Seimens, Fanuc, and sometimes B&R / Beckoff.

Every single project requires people who are capable of planning for the future of their individual businesses or processes and analyze the cost/benefit analysis for whether automation is actually cheaper and more economic for a given task. A lot of this planning happens with data that is unavailable to machines, and would require more and more complex and abstract layers of automation to collect. Old infrastructure, buildings with poor documentation etc… earnings projections, labor hour analysis calculations vs projected earnings.

In addition, as energy costs increase it becomes less and less economic to automate. The labor market has been completely crushed, and the value of labor is low… its so cheap because of mass immigration it stops a lot of peojects in the planning phase. People aren't as productive over time, but budgets aren't written for 50 years in advance.

So, to summarize. You will NEVER automate all human labor because it isn't economic to do so. If somehow population levels were to drop drastically and we still had technology to fall back on we would lean on it more, but that would likely be a shtf reset situation so it becomes irrelevant. You have a simplistic normalfag concept of what automation is and how it works and is planned installed and maintained… which takes an army of resources vs just hiring a body.

Stop making these threads you are a faggot.

Well well well, how about that!

That doesn't mean that it couldn't be made available. And yeah it's plain to see that a robot would have an issue accurately surveying the status of an old building, since there's so many different aspects to consider and probably some complex navigation involved.

Well no shit, things won't be automated until it's profitable to do so. The automation we've seen already is thanks in large part to minimum wage laws, because it becomes much cheaper to build a robot than pay a human hourly. The thing is though, and I'm sure you know this, that things get cheaper with time, and especially when similar machines/programs have already been developed.

Now here's a big one that I didn't give proper consideration to. Out of curiosity though, does it take more energy to run a machine 24/7 (or close to it) or to keep a human alive for the same period? Guess it would depend a lot on living conditions.

That it has, but with decreased immigration, especially of unskilled or uneducated immigrants, then that delay will not be so relevant.

Sure I'll say that we'll probably never automate completely 100% of people or even close to it except maybe in some very, very distant future. But it doesn't require 100% unemployment for drastic effects on our economy and culture to be felt. History shows us that shit starts getting crazy at well below 50% unemployment, with the exception of governments that pay people to do nothing but that has its own set of problems.

It takes an army of resources to initially plan and build a new machine, no shit, but once enough have been planned and built then the process becomes simpler and cheaper because there's not only experienced people, but there's more examples to work from so less original work needs to be done. We see this everywhere, the first couple of times someone does something it's a huge feat, and eventually becomes commonplace as the knowledge spreads and is widely adopted.

You haven't told me a single thing I wasn't already aware of despite your shitty attitude. You gave me some reasons why automation won't happen overnight or be 100% in the next decade, but I never said either of those things would happen.

Good thread OP. Apparently this subject has been thrown into the space-elevator/technophile/post-scarcity bin.

100% automation will probably never happen, but that's not the point. For one, the entire reason companies automate is to save money, otherwise they wouldn't do it (there are a few exceptions, of course). Cost = paying for the complex network of labour that goes into a product or service. If it took more labour (and it's even higher skilled, higher paid labour that we're talking about) to build, maintain, and fix the machines, it would be more expensive to automate and thus they wouldn't do it. Automation = less labour (in dollars), pretty much always. I can make a shovel out of wood and dig faster than 10 guys with their hands - that doesn't mean the other 9 guys are going to become shovel makers. It isn't a given that it just "works out". Economics aren't that relative.

Secondly, if your answer is to just "let those who can't get jobs fend for themselves", well, less product will be bought, fewer machines are needed to produce the product, then fewer people are needed to run the machines, and it all eats itself.

Doesnt matter. If the economically unviable die off because they cannot feed themselves its not something we can stop nor should we.

What your suggesting is an expansion of the wellfare state instead of accepting the body count. For shame Holla Forums

the answer is deflation.

Yeah, I really don't understand why so many anons are so goddamn hostile towards the subject but are fine with endless HWNDU and other shitposting threads.

Right, it'll create an ever dwindling pool of consumers and it seems to me, ultimately lead to a small group of people who own all the means of production just trading with one another because it's a waste of time and effort to deal with the plebs.

The thing is though user is who this filter would be selecting for. It won't be selecting hardworking whites or people like that, it'll be giving the incredibly selfish the ultimate reward. Basically imagine everyone is dependent on jews for absolutely everything, how hellish that would be. I mean yeah you could argue it's just some form of natural selection, and in a way it is, but IMO it's not selecting our best and brightest. Some, sure, but there are plenty of good and intelligent or otherwise valuable people that aren't megarich. And the ultra elite are pretty much the only ones that come out on top where that road leads. The ones who own the most shit going into it will do pretty damn well, and I'm sure they can afford the (automated?) security to keep the unemployed people out of their houses.

So you think mass unemployment will lead to everything being cheaper? By what means?

I guess it's possible that the producers will lower their prices so they still have a market when most people are unemployed, but I don't see how that avoids the issue.

But that's retarded, user. Maybe I can make it simple for you:
etc.

if you spend any time at all on 8/pol/ and are not actively breeding for success you are a genetic dead end.

Right, the filter for being "economically viable" is not whether you know how to run a machine or not, as opposed to ploughing the fields - it's being able to have a job. Jobs are, of course, a two-party affair - it doesn't matter how good you are if no one pays you. No man is an island, imagine that!

You should really take a basic economics course but I'll give you a tl;dr of it if you can handle me trying to explain this in good faith and not just give me a shitpost reply.

If production outpaces inflation you get deflation. If you produce shit faster than it gets used, the price will trend towards the price of production. The real price of production of almost every good is basically dirt cheap. fortune.com/2016/09/20/iphone-7-cost/ Compare that to new. As technology advances, that production cost is driven ever further downwards. Even if people have stupid jobs that give them pennies an hour, things will still be affordable. A dog walker who makes $200 a week could suddenly be able to afford an iPhone if the price drops substantially. All of a sudden you only need a bullshit job and you can afford all the necessities of life, provided the cost of production is offset. Then again, that depends on whether people have a monopoly and other considerations, but in a capitalist system without monopolies or cartels or jews in control of the money supply who purposefully create a slave caste with intentional permanent inflation and usury, we'd all get a living wage from helping grannies cross the street basically. That is until 3d printers etc make it so factories are irrelevant and you can produce everything you need at home, so as long as you own real estate and receive sunshine (energy) you're golden.

they will faggot, adapt or die
jesus fucking christ read a history book

Success depends on the environment, moron. Tons of great genes in shit environments and they never escape the hellholes of their lives. I bet you're the type who'd cut off a kid's arms and legs then blame him dying on his "shitty genes"

When did my secret club turn into youtube comment quality posts?

Not an argument, faggot. >>>/cuteboys/ I figure that's more your speed.

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That explanation is still assuming that people will have an income. It won't transition to everyone being unemployed overnight, there will still be plenty of people making normal money at the same time. Your whole "deflation will fix it" argument reeks of idealism, I don't know who you think is going to be paying all the unemployed people to do dumb shit besides the government or some other self-interested power.

That's entirely irrelevant to the point I was making. I'm saying the only marker for success will be to be ultrarich or otherwise a member of the elite when things really pick up, otherwise you and yours could possibly be left behind forever. It doesn't matter how many kids you have or how good your genes are, only what position you're in when the cards fall to the table. You could argue that the people currently in power have better genes, but then you'd be saying jews are better than whites. Better at scheming, it seems.

That's the thing user, maladaptation is a thing. Jews are very good at navigating modern political webs, does that make them superior? In some ways, sure, but altogether? I'd say no, given their piss poor history of contributions to civilization, culture, and science. What they're good at is seeking power, preferably behind the scenes. And the people who have the power when the dominoes start falling are the ones that are gonna be selected for.

Again, if you take a purely "survival of the fittest" approach then it is what it is and that's all there is to it. But personally, I don't feel like this particular measure of fitness accurately captures what makes us great.

If you want idealism, laugh at the utopian idea of there being infinite new industries to suck up the labour force put out of work

If anything makes us great, it's identifying problems and finding out ways to fix them, like what we're doing in this thread - instead of accepting problems and saying "lol survival of the fittest"

drunkposting tbh

Is your dumb nigger brain too stupid to understand the tools of automation that will be employed in the future? You're not white nationalist at all if you cant produce offspring that can understand the reality they are born in. No science is above true White men.

I'm not even going to illuminate you, its not worth the keystrokes. Gas yourself.

Wheres the STEM troll that thinks zhe will survive the apocalypse with mathmatics?

Your entire attitude reeks of jewish individualism. It doesn't matter if you or your kids understand - only that they find employment, if they're subjected to an entirely jewish system (which it presumably will be in this context).

Or maybe you're assuming that the reality we live in is meritocratic and white in nature, which is not the case.

Wheres the STEM troll that thinks he will survive the apocalypse with mathmatics?

You're not even dumb, you are actually retarded. Get off Holla Forums, you're clearly learning nothing.

It's worthless. It will be a long damn time before machines take over the work force, if they do. It's worthless to speculate on something when we have no grasp of what the landscape will look like. Not to mention, it's not like we've been making giant leaps in technological advancements if you really think about it.

Hell we still use systems from over a thousand years ago.

3 choices:

Primitivism. Revert to homesteading, nomadism, tribes, religion. No technology. And I don't mean be Amish because those people are weak and protected only by the fact that killing them doesn't look good. In a post-automation world you have to defend yourself and your loved ones by brutal guerilla warfare.

Automation will occur concurrently with transhumanism so you can choose to live in a simulation

Try communism

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You're entirely missing my point. It's got nothing to do with understanding the tools of automation, and everything to do with owning and controlling them.

No.

You're clearly too far gone, a purified product of the 21st century.

It's context you fucking imbecile. Your argument is that we should accept an entirely unnatural state of affairs imposed on us by Jewish oligarchs, and deal with it, and you say it's natural selection - the strong will survive. What you should be doing is fighting against this context which does not have to be. Did Hitler strive to thrive in the Weimar Republic or did he seek to replace it with the Reich? Was the rampant unemployment due to "bad genes", or was it merely that the context they lived within was fucking retarded and needed replacing?

It's not about 100% automation, lad.
From Jewgle:
Kiosks may replace a large amount of those very soon.

I didn't wanna post this idea because it's more than a little /fringe/ but it occurred to me that might actually be a significant trigger for humans entering a simulated world on a wide level. It's an alternative to a genocide of unparalleled scale and would allow at least some humans to continue to "live" in a very low maintenance state. They may even be given a choice between death, or maybe just a profoundly shitty outside world, and entering the simulation.

Course that's nothing but a crazy idea but it's an interesting one.

Holy shit OP, write a book.

OP has a bad case of the Jews.

Take a knee, you dumb little motherfucker.

You need to look into how things are made. NOTHING today being done by robotos, is anything, anyone wants to do, or can. You don't lift the shit that robots do. You don't solder the same piece 1000000x a day. That's about it. As far as, 'AI' goes, you've been hearing bullshit from pie in the sky motherfuckers looking for Shekels. We're so far from creating something equivalent to a BUG, it's not even funny.

I can't read the rest of your downie bullshit. Go be depressive on Reddit with the cucks.

Speaking as a europoor, I don't understand you anons.
If we put in place automation, that's because it lighten our struggle to survive. So the situation AFTER automation is obviously better. What is in fault is the economic system that is not enough adaptative to take that into account. The 2nd problem is that humans have to keep distraying , working and practicing virtue no matter what to prevent morrons to spread because boredom imply chaos, and in a case of a low energy collective state, conflicts.

And seriously write a SF book of a viable scenario from an hypothetic world state instead of rationalizing in a system that you deduce shit from shit.

(((Jacques Fresco))) with his "Venus Project" has it all figured out for you already, goy.

If the fucking worry you faggots have is "AFTER EVERY SINGLE SHIT HUMANS DO IS REPLACED BY ROBOTS, WHAT WILL WE DO?"
the answer is fuck nothing, you don't keep playing a game after you beat it.

either that or everyone will just do vanity projects.

anyone who don't own robots will not survive, there is no reason for them to survive.

if every single thing that a human can do is replaced by robots, humans become obsolete, either own robots and jack off forever, or simply don't bother being born. Seriously, the owner of the robots will just suicide due to boredom.

either way, this will only become a "problem" many generations forward, possibly by 3200 if we survive as a species that long

jews always planify utopic things with superficious manners but forget to understand the basic principles of life.
They eventually attract people and sink them slowly.

If you've never read his Venus Project book "Designing the Future" you should check it out.
Basically,

and once trump finishes deoverregulamenting stuff there will be thousands of new business fighting for who will get those employees

What are these dumb automation threads trying to slide?

I think your problems with UBI can be ameliorated by localization.

I agree that dependence on a massive government effectively removes a people's sovereignty. Instead, UBI should be based on local city-states.

Example: let's say I live in Charlottesville. The Charlottesville city decides to undertake an infrastructure project to make low-input, automated tower-farming structures, a la Zeitgeist movement. We slowly build more and more, replacing free market food supplies with a locally-controlled fleet of food production towers. People are then dependent on gov't for food, but as long as it's controlled by local government, they will have the power to change/alter production. As long as the cities keep free speech and are vulnerable to populism and local opinion (democracies/republics), the government gains no power by the popular dependency.

woops, left out a part: once the food supply is fully implemented, declare access to food to be a human right.

people can keep competing for access to luxuries, the best houses, the best schools, etc, but declare food to be a human right if you live in the city/town that commissioned/produced the food supply.

KILL YOURSELF, AUTOMATION SHILLS.

that's what I'm talking about (sorry for ip swaping)

If we keep going down the path ZOG has set out for us, then sure, this future is already on its way.

But such a thing as the OP has described cannot be allowed to happen, at least not yet. We're not ready. I'm of two minds regarding this honestly, because I see work as something both rewarding yet in many ways uselessly time consuming. If such a world ever comes about like this, I hope its not one where people are just sitting at home all day consuming mindless entertainment, and instead doing what Nietzsche thought was our purpose- creating art.

We are still a long way off, however. Maybe this kind of world is possible once we have a healthy society with healthy people again.

I'm convinced that the only way to know what the effects will be is to wait and see. This is like trying to predict the effects of the internet in 1990. There's too many variables and too many unforseen factors. Do for automation what you do for everything else that may or may not happen: self-improve, diversify your skills, become self-sufficient, save your money, and be prepared for all possible outcomes.

Honestly, I see a world war (or at least a lot of sabotage and espionage) happening over nations attempting to build such a true AI. Because once a nation develops an AI that powerful to mass-coordinate military assets with full automation, they'll takeover and rule the world almost overnight. It's not going to be pretty.

Lazy good for nothing horses should get a job!

Automation is a way to shill for basic income.

How would a machine replace human problem solving? Then, once that problem is fixed, you still need programners and technicians to maintain the automatons. In addition, you still need designers and inventors to conceive of newer, more effective solutions.

So yeah, fuck off shills.

There will be none. When jews will have robotised industry and military they will wipe out now useless goyim that now would be only consumers of resources.

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This.

Guess which tribe own and control it all? This tribe also controls media, money and government.

Are you simple? You don't need a technical support staff for maintenance, just tell the one machine to fix the other. You can't employ geniuses to design better computers once Computer 1.0 gets better at designing Computer 2.0 than the original designers.

If computers become acceptable substitutes for humans as problem solvers, that's it. Economics as we know it is fucked.

this will never happen, they will want to keep the goyim as slaves, so that their fucking book prophecy happens or something

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Don't you know goys, you will be our willing slaves?

I disagree with this reasoning.

The grain-harvesting jobs that went extinct with the invention of the combine didn't leave generations of harvesters and their descendants permanently unemployable. Day-traders won't be unemployable due to algorithms etc. They'll just do something different. The average person changes careers five times as it is now.

I cannot think of a class of humans, large enough to matter, who will be rendered permanently unemployable, no matter what increases in productivity come from robotics and AI.

The flip side is that we all get more stuff with less effort. I can't wait.

We have that. It's called China.

Every day this board turns a little bit more ludite and anti-tech. Fuck.

OP, automation can NEVER replace humans. Step foot in a factory some day, will you?
Automation let's you MULTIPLY your workforce. A person produces 10 parts a day. A person and 3 robots produce 100.
The same three robots produce 0 without the human counterpart.
Automation is about solving simple repetitive tasks in very short amounts of time. Something humans suck ass at. What humans do excel is at adaptation and learning.
Robots and automation aren't "years away from that". They are just unable to do so.
For these two to suceed, a massive revolutionary breakthrought would need to happen. Maybe quantic computers, maybe something else. As it stands, when you get a computer that roughly approaches human intellect, he burns too much energy to do it.
They're not efficient at high-level processing.
If I told you to sum 2+3, do you think that's high level? No. What if I told you to sum 2+3 a thousand times in a row? Still the same level.
Robots are great for tasks for which we already know the solution.
Hence the "robots fixing robots" myth being bullshit. They can do some of the basic shit, like soldering metal plates and wires on each other. They can't however diagnostic anything that doesn't go above "there's a hole in this plate" or "this cable is not making contact".

AND EVEN IF THEY DID SURPASS HUMANS, so what? Don't you guys constantly say we should kill niggers because aryans are superior? If robots were superior to us, they'd have every right to kill us then. Let humanity perish and humans reign, they'd be the best beings around after all, ubermenchs and all that shit nazi's like to spout around.

Source: I work with robots. They're cute, smart and frankly nicer than most people I know.

Thank you, someone who isn't retarded in this thread.

Personally I am planning to to get into inspection and tool/die making since those are jobs that a robot cannot be trusted to replace.

The economy of the future has two modes: pointless, endless, decaying communist totalitarian beaurocracies, and the most goddamn beautiful and efficient war economy you have ever seen.

Here's your equation:
(massive pop. - tiny neccessary workforce)*(robotic force multiplication) = conquest

Remember when you watched cartoons as a kid (or yesterday) and the evil mad scientist and his tiny cadre of supporters build a robot army and try to take over the world? That won't remain unrealistic for long. Now scale that up to the US and Asia (maybe, MAYBE, the slavic, vodka-soaked, Russians can get their best and brightest to stop playing CS:GO long enough to join the fight). Even just a united Korea, under the right circumstances, could be a major player. If the Norks lose favor with the Chinks, their government collapses, and the RoK takes that land and manufacturing power? You can fucking bet they'll pass up the Britbongs within 10 years.

The future is conquest. One nation or an alliance will eventually rule all others by force.

Automation leads to human extinction. Nothing else.

adopting large scale automation for manufacturing is costly, and if the people you're making stuff for don't have any money to buy the goods, then you may have to wait a very long time for a return on any investment. I'm sure there's a correlation between people crunching numbers on long-term viability of automated mass production and interest in New Zealand real estate.

there's been talk of fast food automation for a long time now, which is nice since it would keep niggers away from my food. Problem is the niggers are all on welfare, so you get a cycle of government money keeping both the niggers and fast food alive despite both being obsolete. It won't last, or it shouldn't.

The thing to take away about automation is that it's built on undercutting the competition. So everyone is racing to the bottom, not merely to improve quality or increase profits but to erase the necessity of their competitors. Problem is that when people have no interest in each other's survival, they begin to see each other as prey (and predators), which in other words is the death of Society itself.

In the new economic climate, mass production and international trade will have collapsed, with all major economic activity taking place within and between select high technology centers around the world, which no longer serve human markets. So you have a Mad Max everyone-for-themselves nigger apocalypse everywhere else, and the key to survival will be extreme economic independence. The necessities for a decent standard of living are energy, food, clean water, shelter and medicine, so you'll have to be able to come up with these locally or on your own. The good news is that there's already a great deal of interest in economic independence, which takes a lot of investment and risk out of preparation, but remember that crunch time is coming.

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At this point learning permaculture farming gives you a far higher chance of survival than learning high tech engineering/programming.

I recommend anons to read (or at least obtain and keep for when needed) The New Complete Guide to Self Sufficiency by John Seymour, and Permaculture; Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability by David Holmgren. The former is THE practical guide to living off the land without modern oil-dependent technology and the latter outlines more theoretical principles of Permaculture. Holmgren is a typical boomer so some of the book is cucked, however if you ignore these bits the fundamentals are very useful.

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Fuck the machines. Seriously. Fuck them. Butlerian Jihad is in our future. Obsoleting human labour is a horrible horrible thing and I can't believe there are those on this board who claim to love their people who promote this bullshit.

That poster is a complete faggot who if they aren't a shill is jewified something fierce. This push for automation is dysgenic as fuck and people don't even realize it cause muh comfortability.

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What industry
Do you work in where jobs can be easily automated?

Human oversight is going to be a legal issue and an imsurance requirement.

Why dont they just take over then like skynet?
Good luck making AI that thinks like human beings and is creative. Ill take one robo-waifu to go.

That's not a bad idea, locally based UBI.

Always good advice.

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Let's say you're entirely right and we never build a machine or a program that can completely replace human problem solving. Let's say we don't even build one that's just good enough for a specific application. The machines and programs will still be able to put the majority of workers out of work. Not only are most people just not smart enough to be programmers and technicians and designers of machines, but more than that, there just won't be nearly sufficient demand for those jobs to employ half the population.

Let's say you're right and we can never fully automate human labor. What do you do when we've automated most of it, or half of it? Again, not everyone can be repairmen or artists, there simply won't be enough demand.

But once we rule the world, who do we fight then? It seems to me that if you built a massive empire based on conquest, it would turn in on itself when it ran out of enemies.

Driving, retail, fast food, most office work, etc. That's a huge portion of the population and unemployment goes hand in hand with societal unrest.

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but here is what I propose OP.

Shared ownership, meaning.. you have a robot that does labor for you in a factory, and you own that robot, its yours. The company pays you the added value of that robot for 8 hours a day 7 days a week, and the company keeps the other 16 hours of labor.

The company will increase its efficiency by 100% and you will still be getting paid for 8 hours. Meanwhile you can do another 8 hours somewhere else.

permaculture is bullshit. I was into the idea until I found out that it has no practical application.
If permaculture worked, agriculture would have never been invented. In real life, it takes hundreds of acres of forest just to support a couple of people without farming.
Seriously, try and find an example of real permaculture feeding a significant group of people, its never been done.

retarded as fuck. wheres the incentive for a company to rent your machine when they can buy their own?

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aka owning shares in a company.

So your suggestion is distributed ownership of the means of production?