Was the Middle East more advanced prior to Islam?

Is it me or does it seem like when you study the aincient sumerians, Egyptians (who weren't niggers obviously), akkadians, and especially the assyrians and babylonians who had advanced civilizations with their own astronomers and mathematicians. Pre Islamic Middle East may not have been as advanced as aincient Greece or Rome but they certainly weren't like anything some shitty African or pre American Indian tribe where they just had primitive shit and never advanced their societies.

It just seems like Islam in a way niggerfied the Middle East and is doing the same to Europe.

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If I recall correctly the Muslims destroyed a bunch of their libraries which made a lot of historians butthurt. So who fucking knows

cus zoroastrians werent fucking stupid

I can't speak to the Middle Ages or the spread of Islam but I can tell you that Iran in the 1970s after the Islamic revolution saw a huge increase in literacy and a huge decrease in child brides as well.

Yeah obviously. It was whiter too. Islam fucked everything up with Arab nigger genes.

You mean when it was still White.

Yes, more developed too. Muslims basically destroyed all of the irrigation systems that had been in use for thousands of years because they couldn't see how it'd benefit their barbarian camel jockey way of life.

Egypt was the heritage of something bigger. The advent of its agricultural and engineering marvels all happen at once, according to the historical records that exist today.

I can't back it up with sources at the moment, but claims that Zoroastrianism was originally surmised by white aryans were being made for centuries.

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Until the advent of Islam, by around 500AD, the Middle East had a history of major white civilizations. The Babylonians, Akkadians and Assyrians were Semitic speakers, but racially, their empires were much more of the mediterranean white race, and their culture was inherited by the white Sumerians.
The Arab peninsula was a huge nothing and consisted of goat-herder nomadic Bedouins.
Along today's Israel, there were Semitic metropolis (this, yes, fully Semitic).
The Phoenician were mixed Semitic from the southern cities and Aryan from the fallen Mitani Kingdom.
In Egypt, there were an Empire of the mediterranean white race as well, that, on the course of millennia, got slowly semiticized and negrified in it's boarders.
Everywhere else, there were Indo-European (Aryan) kingdoms:
The Hittite, Mitani, Armenian, Greek, Persian, Vedic and Roman.

By the way, with the advent of the Persian Empire and the fall of the Mesopotamian Kingdoms, much of the Semitic genetic was wiped out from the middle east.

Then came Islam, Semiticized the whole region, fucked everything and you have what you have today.
About the "Islamic Golden Age" - it happened primarily in 2 places: the remnants of Persia and North Africa/Spain. In Persia, there was only such a thing due to the civilizational knowledge preserved by the Persian peoples, that was later eliminated by recurrent Islamic Resurgencies. In North Africa/Spain, mainly during the first half of the Occupation, the successful part, the ones who ruled were Berbers, which are European peoples - but then came the horde of Semites, Jews included, and managed to ruin the Caliphate.

Of course, my summary was rough and rushed, but you got the general idea.

from the Sumerians*
My mistake, I'm not a native speaker.

tl;dr: alexander should have killed all desert people

Sure as shit was during the bronze age. Then its collapsed.

Yes but Turks(whom the majority of modern Arabs descend from) drove the people who used to live their into Europe.

The Hanging Gardens never existed, by the way.

I'm reposting this from my posts on /a/.
This is a Genetic Table along with the Indo-European Migrations. If you look at it closely, you'll see that Middle-Easterners were primarily white people with Mediterranean and Nordic genes, but that were heavily Semiticized by the Islamic Bedouins of Arabia.

Yellow-Green is Amazonian
Light Pink is Western-Central-Northern
Brownish-Orange is East Coast Indians
Orange is Mediterranean
Strong Blue is Nordic
Dark Green is Plains
Salmon Pink is East African
Light Blue is West African
Green is South West African
Bright Light Blue is West Sub-Saharan
Strong Pink is East Sub-Saharan
Aqua Green is South Sub-Saharan
Purple is Bedouin a.k.a. "Arabs" or "Semitic"
Yellow is Standard Eastern Asian a.k.a. Yayoi
Red is Siberian
Yellow-Brown is Eskimo
Bright Green is Dravidian a.k.a. "Those Dark Indians"
Pale Yellow is Asian Black
Strong Purple is Australoid a.k.a. Aboriginal


Mo, Turks were Altaic and therefore Asian, but not quite still, as they were heavily mixed with White people from the Eurasian plains - look at the genetic makeup of the Turkmen and Uzbek for instance.

Arabs distort history and try to portray it so everything ever was because of them, when really they never did shit.

Pretty much. Mesopotamian cities/states went through periods of advancement, decadence, then decline as they were taken over by hardier, more vigorous men on their outskirts. Arab Muslims during their early years were a great example of tribesmen compelled to invade soft, opulent nations built by, well, non-Negroid people. Seems to me that comparing this to the fall of Rome to "barbarians" is instructive: Arabs took over decadent nations (Indo-European peoples in Central Asia, right?) and now they're shit because they're dumb mudslimes, whereas Germanic men took over decadent Rome but had a genetic capacity to build civilization, so we got (early) modern Europe.

Adding to that, it's interesting that the Germanic and Slavic men at the time of Rome's fall were considered by Romans to be savages, but were literally the toughest people on the planet: the climate was much colder around that time and those harsh conditions and the kind of honor-based, battle-driven culture they had made them strong and resilient. They had the genetic characteristics that made it possible for them to pass on civilized society to us, but sadly we've succumbed to decadence as the Romans did, and we'll be extirpated ourselves if we don't regain the drive for honor and glory that our ancestors had.

Based. 100% truth

They were literally niggerfied. Arab harems imported tens of millions of sheboons as sex slaves. The typical Arab now has at least 5% nigger admixture.

dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/10/african-admixture-in-near-east-where.html

Didn't read OP but does anyone have red pills for faggot family members who come at you with the
meme? Other than "shut up mom, you'd be stoned to death for being such a bitch in a muslim country."

Algebra comes from Indo-Aryan pajeesh

Just tell them that science basically died in those regions after the Arabs invaded; nothing of significance came out of there after the Indo-Europeans were more or less replaced.

Yes, yes it was. Muslims destroyed a bunch of advanced empires and burned some libraries. Once they eventually stopped killing and pillaging, scholars were able to salvage and spread the knowledge developed in subjugated regions (like algebra from India) and synergize it into, apparently, the Muslim Golden Age(tm).

Then muslims enjoyed a few centuries of being an advanced civilization, but since they're sandniggers and Islam is retarded, they never developed past what they've pillaged. Eventually the European barbarians caught up and overtaken them in technology, which caused Muslims get super-butthurt because Allah is supposed to reward the faithful with prosperity and success, while punishing the heathens. Flash forward a few hundred centuries later and Middle East is still a shithole.

Also some of them honestly consider Christianity and Judaism to be a part of Islam (and just a little heretical), so by that extension, most of the world's achievement happened because of their desert cult.

Nice try, Hans, but we're onto you. Everyone knows Moonhammad was a Celt, and his cousin was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aryan supremacist.

Whoa, I got dubs on both those posts? Kek must approve of my Islamophobia.

Arabs stole their number system from the Vedic Indians who were White and established a racial caste system to keep it that way.

Assume Christianity is overtaken by Islam.
If Islam doesn't fully regress or collapse it will eventually grow secular, and when it does reach its peak then the Jews will replace Islam with some wacky new goy religion, but still continue to practice some sort of messianic/self deification-occultist faith.

Rachposter is the green pill conspiracy theorist?

sauce plox

"If you gather all the suffering of the Muslim world today, it does not compare with a fraction of what the Muslim Ummah went under the Mongols."

and they did it from horseback - outstanding

not true, the Mongols filled in all the canals. They destroyed the muslim lands

The thing about the Aryans fighting the Dravidians comes from the Vedas, and the number system we use today is called the Hindu-Arabic numeral system.

The Middle East was white prior to Islam, so yes, by definition.

Drown if fucking Semen, you piece of shit.

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Do normalfags honestly expect a peaceful, diverse society after the sandnigger invasion or are they desperately trying to convince themselves that everything will be alright? There's a couple who've completely fooled themselves but I doubt that deep down, every normalfag fully and sincerely believes the bullshit they spout.

Liberals are morons who think every decent muslim from some non-shithole is going to be the status quo for the illiterate dirt farmers that (((politicians))) have been trying to sell for far too long.

They seriously think it'll be okay.

Look here faggot. You can't just come in a thread and and hint at something that could be interesting and just fuck off.

arabs were always shit.

they're like mongoloids. only good at violence and destruction. mohammed invented a religion to keep the violent savages in line…and establish some semblance of a "civilization".

it all went to shit within 31 years of his death…that tells you everything. mohammed's chosen successor died in 2 years, and everybody even distantly related to him was dead/killed within 30 years.

also the Umayyad Caliphate looks big on a map, but all they owned was the fucking sahara desert and the arabian desert. what exactly did they create or build that has survived?

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Don't be the mirror image of the Kangs.

They destroyed THE greatest libraries in the world, where scholars from all over the ancient world came to study.

The muslim destroyed so much knowledge, it's unbelievable.

Jews did so as well when they conquered the phonecians and ruined egypt.

So did christians to the libraries of roman egypt and rome and greece itself.

All semites want to exterminate history of their hated enemy, the aryan race.

Fuck's sake. Semitic is not a racial distinction, it's a linguistic distinction. Same with Aryan. Aryans were those who spoke an Indo-European language like Sanskrit, Greek, or Latin. Semites were those who spoke a Semitic language like Phoenician, Aramaic, Syriac, and Arabic.

These do not correspond 1:1 to racial groupings. Quite a few Ayran (Indo-European) speakers are not white, while not all Semitic speakers were racially the same. The Phoenicians, for example, were almost certainly of the same stock as the Latins, the Greeks, the Anatolians and Near-Easterners, and not of the same stock as the Arabs, Ancient Hebrews, or Judeans.


No, they were considered barbarians, not savages. Important distinction. Savages were below barbarians and were basically animals in human form (e.g. niggers). Barbarians were men quite beyond Roman customs and often not quite civilized. They didn't have the impressive cities or armies of civilized peoples but that didn't mean the Romans thought them stupid or incapable of it (as they themselves had been much the same through the Greek era).


You can tell them that all the "Islamic" scientists were Persian or Greek scientists that the Muslim Arabs conquered, because that's true. You can't put down anything worthwhile, especially of scientifically, to Islam anymore than one can attribute Mayan construction to their Spanish conquerors.


They lived in a civilization maintained by civilized people they actively killed or dumped mudshit genetics into until they all disappeared and the area regressed into what it had been before and hasn't advanced since. As soon as all the Persians, Greeks, and other Europoids died out or had mud bred into them Islam miraculously stopped producing anything of worth and its territories somehow got trapped in the same age its Arab conquerors had advanced to.

Considering genetic testing has proven that the ancient peoples of these regions were European or at least Europoid I'm not sure what you're getting at. Europoids existing in regions they had migrated through thousands of years earlier and producing comparable levels of civilization to their brethren elsewhere really isn't so implausible, is it? Is the narrative that these peoples were nonwhite and somehow had white levels of civilization at the same time developmentally and then magically never advanced really a more sensible theory? Add on top of that there isn't really any explanation of why nonwhites would be in those areas before Arabic, Asian, and Dravidian expansion anyway, and I fail to see how this is equal to 85 IQ Africans who have never produced a civilization of worth (or, really, any civilization at all) claiming that they were somehow responsible for the civilized works in areas that wouldn't appear in for hundreds if not thousands of years with no evidence at all (and then cannot explain why they have not done similar things anywhere else, let alone everywhere else they have existed, unlike whites).


Literally a 2000s militant-atheist-tier understanding of history. Did you post this too to derail an interesting thread?

Not surprised the shitskin faggot BO would bumplock this.

No shit, they really did. This thread's still young but already it contains for interesting discussion that the majority of threads these days. They probably bumplocked it after their attempt at a rachposter derail failed earlier ITT.

What a fucking disgrace.

Assyrianon here with the daily reminder that Middle Eastern people were not Nordic Aryans and that you'd have to be a retard to reach that conclusion from the minimal Western European DNA admixture. We are different to you. We are not you. You don't need to be a snownigger vikang to start a fire, write shit down and study the stars. Thousands of years of Islamic inbreeding and Arabization of non-Arab (but RELATED, MIDDLE EASTERN populations) resulted in the low IQs and savagery of the people in this region today.

Fun fact: blue eyes originated in the region next to the black sea (according to (((science)))), not far from Mesopotamia or the Levant

Ayy Jackiboi

The only reason Islam didn't collapse on the spot was because of the Sayyids, White people who survived the conquest and the only scholars who did nothing more than copying the marvels of the Ancient world.