'GRINDR' GREG JOHNSON REVEALED

'GRINDR' GREG JOHNSON REVEALED

Dr. Greg Johnson is a prominent figure in the American white nationalist subculture. He is a homosexual and the editor/owner of Counter-Currents Publishing. (counter-currents.com/)

For the first time ever, Dr. Johnson's picture is being made public. This photograph was taken in the year 2001, so Dr. Johnson has aged 16 years from the date of this image.

Other urls found in this thread:

counter-currents.com/2010/10/homosexuality-and-white-nationalism/
counter-currents.com/2010/10/homosexuality-and-white-nationalism/#comment-661249
youtube.com/watch?v=i-JWqHlKpU8
vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/tclynch.htm
vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/movie125.htm
counter-currents.com/2017/02/theres-good-news-and-bad-news/
utpsyc.org/synch/
counter-currents.com/2015/10/full-nazi/
dawhois.com/site/gregoryrjohnson.com.html
whitepages.com/name/Gregory-R-Johnson/San-Francisco-CA/9t4dx3j
pipl.com/search/?q=GREGORY ROBERT JOHNSON&l=SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA&sloc=&in=6
meetup.com/FellowshipofReason/members/2817322/
researchgate.net/researcher/2071324055_Gregory_R_Johnson
flickr.com/photos/55094720@N03/
okcaller.com/4045137428
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Don't care if he's homo - he never talks about it or advocates for it. It's like completely irrelevant in due context of the excellent site that is Counter Currents.
No, I'm not shilling: I've been for almost a decade now consuming this kind of media and information, and only 3 sites from this "information sphere" remained in my watchlist. Counter-currents is one of them.
About the picture, that's just like I'd imagined and it's quite irrelevant, really.

source?

Hi, Greg.

go back to Grindr, Greg

Honestly this picture has been posted many times before. It's old. I found a bunch of stuff but haven't finished.

Do you have any more recent pictures of Greg Johnson? Please post.

Nope but I do have information about him that would help verify any pictures if we were to find any.

I don't get it really, he drops off the face of the world after like 2010. Likely he's still in NY or Berkeley since he doesn't want his lube dispensary to run dry.

It's because he bounces back from NY to the west coast every few days.

He made several articles denouncing "homophobia" and claims that hating gays is a jewish tradition.

Right but he must be supporting himself somehow, and I doubt it's through private consulting fees for Swedenborg aficionados. Likely he works for a uni and asked them to purge him from their page.

He implied that homophobia was a Jewish construct on his site. He sells a book through CC, "The Homo and the Negro"

People fail to rectify that those that do not hold your best interests can also concur with many of your same ideals. People like Greg are deviants, reprobates, and bad for the movement. He may be eloquent and well-spoken but he still belongs in the bog.

Moreover, he still stays true to TRS, which anyone with self-respect (lol, homo) jumped ship when all the revelations came to light. He is indicative of what that place has always been, a haven for faggot larpers.

Rodney Martin confirms that this picture is Greg Johnson. Martin saw Johnson at two recent IHR meetings within the last 3 years. He says that Johnson still wears the same eye glasses and has the same haircut.

That picture is him, I mean he has had some things happen since then that would disfigure him so if we got any updates we'd be able to confirm.

What? Explain.

Anal tearing.

James O'Meara? I mean…James O'Meara is fine by me. Looks straight to me. How are YOU with James O'Meara?

Quads confirm this too.

Big scar on his right eye apparently.

OP is the real faggot here.
D&C shill soros funded antifa fag.

Here's the deal. I don't give a fuck what he does. I care about politics and public policy. I care about immigration and foreign policy.

You leftist scum sure do toss your pet homos under the bus quick. You fixating on what he does with his dick is bretty gay tbqh fam.

Car accident? Dildo mishap?

Evidence?

Hurr lets talk about and fixate on gay sex, ya know so we can rage against it! Like i scrutinized thousands of hours of hardcore gay porn so i could understand those ebil fags.

Durrr

exactly. all types of faggotry need to end, even white nationalist-themed gayness.
when the day comes, both the homos and negroes will burn together with the jews and mexicans

A book that is described as taking a "queer eye" look at the far right?

Fuck you, gay nigger.

It seems to be a big issue with these types. He himself fixates on it enough to write huge screeds and even books about it and how we should accept it. Nah famiglia.

He had an accident in a dark room.

theres a pic of him floating around. he was wearing drag in some bdsm club

Should somebody be bogged just for being accused of being homosexual like our faggot OP?

Look for the webm/mp4 on /trs/. It's there.

is somebody is trying to bring faggotry into the movement, then they should be bogged. if they talk up the "virtues of the white gay ass" they are still contaminating the conversation

Where did he say that he wanted to bring homosexuals into the alt kike?

Thank you for informing us Shlomo. You are truly our greatest ally.

if i expose your e-celebs will you die?

I tried to be impartial and not to skip the gun because I didn't know who Greg Johnson was, but I saw this post by him on his website.
Anyone supporting Kike Enoch and TRS is to be distrusted.being a fag already means immediate disclusion anyways

no please go ahead I'm curious

but it would be very painful

Try again, Levi. I hope you catch AIDS from a Grindr Greg book order.

Why?

I guess when you are within the cesspit you realize that it's a cesspit

What is that even supposed to mean?

explain this
counter-currents.com/2010/10/homosexuality-and-white-nationalism/

What if homosexuality is done in a masculine, pro-h'white, Jack Donovan sort of way? Is it okay then?

I wonder if his opinion has changed since 7 years ago.

no

But what about The Way of Men?

LOL, fuck off you faggot shill.

Nevermind, he actually wrote it 13 years ago and was published by somebody else, he does not have the same opinions now.
counter-currents.com/2010/10/homosexuality-and-white-nationalism/#comment-661249

What is masculinity? - An Introduction to The Way of Men
youtube.com/watch?v=i-JWqHlKpU8
''
What is masculinity? This short video introduces author Jack Donovan's "gang theory of masculinity" and the four "tactical virtues." For more in-depth definitions of strength, courage, mastery and honor and the challenges facing men today read The Way of Men – which has now sold over 12,000 copies.''

Fun fact: Greg Johnson wrote for VNN under the handle "The Cat Lady."

Did you miss my initial message?

Quit shilling your faggotry, faggot. If you need a faggot to explain to you how to act like a man, you have failed.

Jack Donovan fucks men like they're women. Maybe you will be next?

CHECKED

Link?

Irrelevent, nowhere does that mention Greg Johnson

What if homosexuality is done in way where you're always alone and never act on your base urges because you hate gays?

Is it pro-h'white?

He used to write movie reviews for VNN (just like he does now on Counter-Currents) under that pseudonym.

The shills want to destroy the pro-white movement, and you should read /polmeta/ so you understand who that is helping them.

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So how did you manage to fail, since you are acting as a woman?

Okay but do you have a link to what he wrote?

I and others usually give Greg half a pass on the faggotry, because he's a pretty good 'intellectual'. But mistakes like supporting Kike Enoch will finish him off quick.

Who among the pro-white we know the name of, do you support?

Hmm? In what way?

Hey, that middle aged white man holding the adopted black baby looks just like Dr. Johnson!

Sorry, no. But check the VNN archives.

But it's not him, you cuck.

I don't give a shit if he's a fag but supporting The Kike Stuff is beyond the pale.

vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/tclynch.htm

It's understandable that paid shills would say that, isn't it?

What about power-bottoms like Millenial Woes? Some would call him a twink but I like to take a nuanced view.

wow there is powerful faggotry at work here. they told me 8ch had become the home of faggot betas but i had to see for myself.

4 posts in that quick huh? How long will you keep it up sodomite? Let's watch

He has a girlfriend.

You were never welcome cuckchan

Is this it?

Refer to the outlined box in pic related.

Don't ever cross the velvet mafia, normie.

No it's the one with the song 'Where is a fat cock when you need it the most'

I'm not TRS, only pro-white.

You are a paid shill or stupid enough to do it for free, so who cares about your opinion?

Try harder. At least make this intellectually stimulating.

You?

Was looking through the VNN forum and saw this post and I really liked it. Who is Alex Lindler? Never heard of him but from the thread it seems like he's been involved for a while. Seems like he might have gotten unpersoned for being against Greggy's lube parade.

Who among pro-whites do you support?

I'm sorry if I mixed you up with the shills and retards, that wants to call everybody that is pro-white for faggots and kikes.

Ah, there it is. Thanks.

He has run VNN forum for ages, as you would have known if you had been pro-white for a while.

come on, you niggers.

What's the revelation? First time his picture is revealed? His photos have been out and we've known he was a fag for years.

I'm of the younger stripe. Redpilled around halfway through obongo's first term.

I've compared vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/movie125.htm
to
counter-currents.com/2017/02/theres-good-news-and-bad-news/
with
utpsyc.org/synch/

Babby knows how to use a VPN

The thread only exist so named pro-whites can be attacked for being faggots and kikes.

Why do you need a e-celeb?

Honestly who cares?
Fuck these faggots
Every last one of them could die tomorrow for all I care
They don't represent any of us

Do you think faggots and kikes deserve to be at the helm of a pro-white movement?

Oh, no, i am a shill, at least i am going by your "reasoning" thus far. As for your question, i only support a cause, i place no faith unto anyone, so i certainly don't feel comfortable using the word "support" in conjunction with any person out there.

Honestly I agree, but others might fall into their trap where otherwise they would be one of us. That's a dangerous game to let people get sucked into the bog when we need as many high quality people as possible.

Stop replying to yourself. The shilling in this thread is so transparent it is laughable.

So are you of the science denying bunch, that don't know that homosexual are something you are born as, and not something that you become?

The future will not have homosexuals, as parents will not chose to have homosexual children if it can be avoided, so the whole problem is kind of moot.

Because just anons are to easy prey for shills, as 8/pol/ is an example of.

I have been on one IP this whole thread you disgusting sodomite.

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How do people become homosexuals?

Stop asking dumb questions you stupid faggot.

/HWNDU/ dies down and this one autist is back to his usual sperging and samefagging with vpns with (20) + posts to build a narrative.
Seriously who the fuck cares just get a hobby you nigger kike this shit is getting pretty boring.

Linder's always had a trace on the weakness of anglo-politics. I've got nothing against them personally, but don't expect any ideologically sound movement. They're always just boy's clubs that will bend any and every rule if you're part of the inner circle.

Faggot no one cares
Take your attention whoring ecelebs elsewhere

Pro-whites don't have it as their priority to mudsling other Pro-whites, so chances are high that you are a shill or retard.

How do people become homosexual?

By reading your posts

By being you.

How do people become homosexual?

How do you know it's laminated? But we both know the answer to that, don't we Shekelbergsteinblattmoishecircumshlomobaum!

I never saw this article before, GJ talking about fucking MLP: counter-currents.com/2015/10/full-nazi/

Thanks for showing that you are a retard, even if you might be a paid shill as well.

Sorry faggot, Kike Eunuch slipped and admitted he was a jew several times. If you support kikes vacuuming up shekels with a phony "pro-white" act, you are probably a kike yourself.

Hey goys, it's me Mike Enoch. Here's the thing: if you question where the 85k in d'nations TRS collected ended up, you're just a purity spiraling 1488 skinhead nazi larper who lives in his mom's basement and has never felt the pleasure of having your based Jew wife pozz your neghole. I mean, having some Jewish blood in you, Jewish in-laws, and getting pegged by your Jewess is the last stand of implicit white identity. You goys need to either get with the program, I mean it's 2017 and you're still here pretending to be Nazis on /POL instead of doing the pragmatic™ thing and embracing Based Nationalist Jews in the fight against Islamic Terror and the Globalist Kikes! Here's the thing: The best way to make sure humans get to space is to give me and my buddies lots of bitcoin and listen to all our podcasts so that you know the right way to be White Nationalists like us. Don't forget to turn off that pesky AdBlock! Shalom!

And now you are just lying.

Not that I mind, as we need liars lying badly, if anons are to believe that there is an organized campaign to take out the pro-white movement by creating as much infighting as possible. .

Do you want the links? It's on /trs/. His own voice.

By being you

Partial list of Johnson's pseudonyms

RG Fowler
F.C.I. CLARKE
The Cat Lady
TC Lynch

His full name is Gregory Robert Johnson, he goes by Gregory R. Johnson as an academic, and Greg Johnson for the stuff he tries to keep secret.

Rejecting con artist kike snakes doesn't count as infighting, dumbass.

No.

The other links you have given me has only been anti-white propaganda, so I can't be bothered.

Is there anybody pro-white that we know the name of, that you support?

That's a lie and you know it, you 1488er, stop LARPing and donate now!

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I like greg, he's a good guy, has done a lot for the movement and is obviously quite smart.

I'm glad to see that Holla Forums has sensible opinions about him, despite his self-admitted flaws.

Do as you please, as I can still answer your shill posts.

But you are the shill.

dawhois.com/site/gregoryrjohnson.com.html
whitepages.com/name/Gregory-R-Johnson/San-Francisco-CA/9t4dx3j

Seems like you got something to hide then. I'm magnanimous so I'll provide it anyway.

>>>/trs/2612
>>>/trs/2614
>>>/trs/1524

No. I'm from BMW.

You need to leave

I don't have anything to hide.

How are homosexuals created?

Codney Martin is the true leader of the White movement.

Grooming of children by predatory homosexuals. Something like 1/3-1/2 of homosexuals are child molesters.

Anyway check out those links, 3 separate clips of Mike admitting his Jewry. In the past it was just one admission but now we have two more.

Lolwut?

How does that work? How can someone be both a nationalist and gay? Anyone who's a nationalist realizes that homosexuality undermines the traditional familial structure - the solid foundation needed to build any strong nation. Conversely, a homosexual isn't likely to have strong family ties, isn't likely to form long-lasting relationships and thus won't be able to feel a strong bond with his countrymen that stems from both of those important tenets of a nationalistic mindset.

I don't know that the two are mutually exclusive. It just seems that it's like a nigger joining the Klan or an Irishman signing up with La Raza. Why would you claim to be a part of a movement that doesn't want you there and not only doesn't represent you, but actively seeks your destruction? Same with Milo - but he's different in that he's both controlled opposition and a kike infiltrator. I don't know much about this guy in question.

Thank you.

I knew you were retarded.

Homosexuals are born that way.

Isn't he the guy that wrote that amazing review of The Dark Knight Rises? Man, what a bummer.

Guess we should kill them then

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How does that work? How can someone be both a nationalist and gay?

Why do you use the word gay, when it's a word that children used, but the faggots stole to seem more innocent?

any theories on why so many of the current "thought leaders" are gay, bisexual, or gay friendly? its confusing to me.
Counter-Currents, Kulturkampf, Millemial Woes, TRS, American Vanguard,

It actually makes a lot of sense
What does a Nationalist pro white nation push out a lot of? White Men who are men. Masculinity is in abundance.

I don't think it's that surprising if you consider how many gays want strong masculine men. Most gays (especially the hyper liberal ones) would bend over for a masculine right wing man in a heartbeat.

Robert Whitaker and BUGS made the word pro-white as a part of the White Genocide memeplex.

Fucking newfag.

A mix of subversive forces and getting too close to the heart of the left and not liking it is assume.

Why do you use the word gay?

Maybe its because of all the stupid fag and jew terminology "fashy" and "goys". All the stupid Fashy Haircut bullshit and dumb song parodies is embarassing. I understand the idea that humor can be a tool but this is just making us look like fools. Greg Johnson has started to adopt that terminology. He is a fucking PHD but he is dropping dumb slang into articles so the "fashy goys (gays?)" with their fashy haircuts think he's cool

You don't understand that homosexuals normally don't have children, so it's easier for them to be openly pro-white, than it is for family fathers, that needs to put bread on the table.

Pro-whites usually lose their job, you know.

Everybody has bills. Greg is long since unemployable in his field but still goes to great lengths to hide his identity. What else is he hiding?

You am have be good point of making.

I suppose, but that seems like an awful long con just for some fruit to be able to get his hands on someone eles's meat missile.

It's well known that GJ predates on clean cut men looking to join that clique

if you dont make white children you are anti-white
sodomites support white genocide

satan knows what's up

But you don't think that you look ridiculous when you push "cultural marxist science" by saying homosexuality is being caused by nurture?

A liberal is not wrong by definition, in this case they got it right that homolust for poopdick comes from upbringing. There's probably a pathological component but it's not worth speculating about t. gondii until there's something concrete. Regardless of the source, it's a regressive practice and should not be paraded around as anything other than a symptom of our sick society.

Wow a picture of an eceleb that's almost two decades old

You are not very bright, since you don't understand that 2% of white men not getting children matters nothing when there is a tsunamigration into white countries.

You peddle marxism, when you say homosexuality are caused by upbringing.

Thats not whats being discussed here. Why are they taking over is the question? Almost every single major player has significant ties to this. Is this now just OK? Isnt this one of the reasons Kevin McDonald fired Greg Johnson in the first place? He has been the source of constant drama since he came on the scene.

Which is why they're trying to make it fudgepacker friendly
It's a long con but I don't think it's that surprising. People do a lot for that kinda stuff even if it's subconscious

Thanks for that information. It's appreciated.

Is this Greg?

pipl.com/search/?q=GREGORY ROBERT JOHNSON&l=SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA&sloc=&in=6

What are these companies that he works for?

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Grindr Greg sure does get around:

every little bit counts in the long run

make another thread with new info.this one got anchored

They are not taking over.

It's just you that have purity spiraled and become stupid, since you have bough the marxist explanation for homosexuality.

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I dont think thats him or there is some erroneous stuff. Its a really common name. He went back and forth to the Atlanta area from 2000-2010 but mostly lived in Bay Area. He was also involved with Ayn Rand and Libertarian Stuff. Did a lot with these guys up until 2009 or so meetup.com/FellowshipofReason/members/2817322/

He does. Constantly.

Please explain, homosexuals are eligible for leadership? Is the the rainbow coalition?

This seems related.

Why do you support "Marxist science" on homosexuality?

You're not even making sense anymore, sodomite. Also:


Did i call it back here or what?

Can you find him on Pipl.com? His name is too common. It's throwing up false positives.

So he slipped at the bath house and bashed his head on a bdsm apparatus?

Yeah, that's him. What site is that from?

researchgate.net/researcher/2071324055_Gregory_R_Johnson

That you can become homosexual by nurture is a Marxist hoax you have fallen for, if you really are pro-white.

I don't think you are though, as you really need to be stupid to buy into Marxist bullshit when you visit Holla Forums regularly, and not many are that dense.

These faggots take all humor from Holla Forums and then sanitize it with PR cuckoldry.

I haven't discussed any such thing with you. I merely called you out for using a faggy term which sodomites love using. Chirst, how bad is your autism? Get help

What humor?

8/pol/ is not funny, nor do they create any memes.

GAYS WILL BE BOGGED AFTER BEING TURNED INTO TESLA COILS

flickr.com/photos/55094720@N03/

here is his flickr
email [email protected]

Wow. the level of arguments you can spit out, are really impressing…

Not that I have high expectations for somebody that think the Marxist theory on homosexuality is the truth.

There are two types of homos. Those born that way and those born with a tendency towards it that may be manifested through environmental stimuli. Most homos were molested as children, for example, which causes their mental illness.

Honestly it doesn't matter why you are gay, just that you are.

You don't really buy that?

Homosexuals get to have sex with older guys, voluntary, while teenage heterosexuals don't get to screw anybody before they are closer to adulthood.

Thanks. You're a big help.

Too bad he doesn't have any photos though.

I would have defended you in the past Greggy but you truly are a disgusting little weasel, supporting con artist kikes because it keeps shekels and boys flowing your way. You deserve the worst.

It does, because when we find out what causes it, it can be removed.

Parents don't want homosexual children, so If you monitor the fetus, you can give it the extra testosterone it needs to become heterosexual.

It's the truth you cocksucking faggot. They rationalize it as voluntary after the fact because thwya re traumatized.

Most traits of biology work this way. They need.to be cultivated in development. For example, IQ is hereditary, but if you take a kid with potential for high IQ and starve him and keep him locked in a cage and beat him, he will grow up retarded. Same with homos. Take a kid with the potential to be homo (but also potential to be straight) and molest him and he will become homo.

Then why are you so concerned about us bashing fags when you're fine with fixing them via eugenics?

The number of homosexuals are stable and have not increased, as you would have expected if it was caused by the environment.

Because you are so god damn stupid that you peddle Marxist theory as the gospel.

Homosexuality is caused by something going wrong during pregnancy.

phone number might help
okcaller.com/4045137428

Why would we expect it to increase? If the same proportion of people are molesting children as well, then the same proportion will turn out homo. And I don't buy that it is stable either, since there is no reliable data on this (all sexology data has been cooked for political purposes since Kinsey).

Except we don't have any concrete evidence either way, you just seem to latch onto any explanation for poopdick that seems to remove any onus of responsibility on the poopdicker which makes me think you yourself partake of the poopdick but rely on the 'nature' argument to justify calling yourself WN. You're not. Male + male is degenerate and must be extinguished. Back into the closet.

Society have become more sex-fixated, something we can see among both Homos and Heteros.

It's not up for discussion though, especially if you claim to be nat.soc. as they pride themselves of their scientific knowledge and on seeing man as a part of nature.

You should really try to read something else than Marxism on the homosexual question.

if you can show me evidence that a baby is born gay, then it still won't be enough to make me want to keep them as a member of the powerful white race. someone who was born gay is just as worthless as someone who was born mentally and/or physically deformed.
then again, there is no proof that anyone was ever born gay.

Why are there homosexual animals, or do you take the Marxist cop out, and say that man is above nature in some way?

Homosexual animals?

I'm glad you're looking towards animalia for justification. You're right, you're nothing but animals – driven by basal urges with no concept of tomorrow. You just made my point for me.

The nuclear family unit was the best method of social organization and you want to carve out a section of society that actively counteracts what you purportedly believe simply because taking rods in your anus feels just so good. No man, it's a problem. I'm on the fence about sodomy laws but faggotry needs to go back into the closet. It's clear that this slope is in fact slippery with all the lube from your dark rooms and I've had enough of the two decades wading through the mess of sexual depravity that the Pandora's box of the sexual revolution wrought. No, this is where we plant our feet and say no. You're free to go back to being a liberal because you are not accepted and we will actively campaign to outlaw faggotry whether you like it or not. Taking out Greggy boy is just a means to the end of purging WN from faggots.

You surly are ignorant, but you write well, so how old are you, 18?

A counter currents representative everybody.


I've seen what they call homosexuality in animals and it is the most tenuous and grasping shit I have ever seen. All the evidence is based on marxists injecting their cancer into/projecting onto the animal world.

There are no "homosexual animals".
Animals might engage in homosexual acts but they will still go for a female given the chance. There aren't any animals that will completely ignore females and only try to bugger other males.

You only need to do a google image search to find 6 million pics of them.

What you don't seem to understand, is that most people don't hate people for what they can not escape.

The reason I think you are a kid, is that you don't understand that the families of homosexuals won't support anybody that want to hurt their child, brother or nephew, if they were just born homosexual, but don't flaunt it in any other way.

The time you run into people's bedrooms are over, if any white society ever did. (I have looked for that, and it looks like they were just left alone or sent to become a catholic priest, if they did not push their homosexuality in your fellow man's face.)

wew lad, go suck milo's dick, OP, you faggot.

24, I'm beyond grooming age.

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He's still a homosexual and involved in White Nationalism, so it obviously hasn't. There's also a much more recent quote in the first image.

He admitted to being the Cat Lady on TRS.

So? Codney once shoved Whitaker's head into a sewerage pipe and shat out a memeplex for breakfast.

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Is Richard Spencer finally coming out of the closet now?

Look, the Jews push faggotry in the media, and you want us to accept it.
You're not gonna convince anyone here.

Homosexuals are created by the mother.

David McCalden who founded IHR died of AIDS in 1990. Every nationalist who hates Christianity does so because he's a faggot.

many of the new British Nationalists, Fash Brittania etc, are actually atheists. they are tiggt with TRS so its not surprising they are idiots

He didn't really "found it", but he was an ADL operative who was trying to take control of it - a feat eventually accomplished by Rodney and Greggy's buddy Mark Weber. He (McCalden) is also who we can thank for bringing "le good jew" David Cole onto the scene.

Nice sources cited, Jewish faggot

Some pro-sodomites in this thread have been suggesting that sodomy is somehow an identity that one is born with. Absolutely false. Whatever random thoughts go through a person's head is irrelevant. What matters is whether they dwell on evil thoughts or, most importantly, engage in sodomy. A person who does so is a sodomite. They can be said to have taken on that most shameful of roles. But no one is born that way since we have the free will to choose what behavior we will engage in. THERE IS NO BORN THAT WAY. There is only choose to be that way because you are a rebel against the natural order.