I just realized something. Is hate speech equivalent to libel or slander applied to whole groups of people...

I just realized something. Is hate speech equivalent to libel or slander applied to whole groups of people? Should hate speech be illegal? Should slander be legal?

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no, no, no, and no

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thank you for providing extensive justification for your arguments.

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I have had similar thought regarding discrimination.

While there are other forms, for example wide spread misconceptions without any malice behind them like the assumption that women are naturally less competent in the sciences or politics than men, discrimination that breeds hate and destruction can be described as an upscaled form of bullying.

A bullying victim is a single person that is getting hurt by a minority of aggressors in his proximity while the rest of the surrounding group ether silently supports this behaviour or condones it through nonintervention, sometimes out of fear but other times out of simple non interest.
Meanwhile, discrimination, for example that against the jews in Nazi germany, is a similar phenomenon, only here it's a group getting bullied and instead of a workplace or class, the entire population is their enemy with a group of aggressors like the SA and the rest of the people looking the other way.

As for hatspeech, it can be similar to slander, but it depends on the circumstance. If you are simply insulting the entire group, this might not apply, but often hate speech ascribes the targeted group traits which they usually don't have and which have a similar effect to slander. Examples are calling mexicans rapists, assuming that blacks are inherently less intelligent and so on.

The issue with banning it, as has so eloquently put it, is that as soon as there are laws against it, the definition can be expanded so that it encompasses more than was originally intended, going down a slippery slope. It might start out as only banning the most terrible slander but it could be expanded to simply criticising a group. Imagine a country in which it is illegal to challenge Islam, not because the country is a theocracy but because existing hate speech laws were expanded in this direction by a strong muslim lobby.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I agree with your thought, but the conclusion can cause a lot of issues if codified in law.

I assume it would be held to the same standard as slander laws, such as these: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Other_defenses

Hmm, seems like the judicial system has already covered the issues I thought of, this list seems to allow reasonable criticism while still maintaining the law.
In that case, anti hate speech laws could be made, as long as they are bound with a hundred chains to prevent the scenario I described.

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