Argument Man Asks If His Job Is Over

Stefan Molyneux's new video.

youtube.com/watch?v=3ZhHm_xQScE

"… For ten years, I've been out here in the public square taking the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, and I have been saying what is an argument, the necessity of the argument, I'm working on a book on how to make an argument, and what an argument is, I know that the argument is civilization, the argument is life, the argument is civility, the argument is humanity, the argument is peace, we lose the argument, we lose the debate, we lose the ideas, we lose the free speech, we lose everything. Everything vanishes. Free speech undermines [sic] everything else we hold dear. People have been telling me this for a long time, not everyone, but some of you, and I've noticed, I've been listening, and maybe you're right, I hesitate, because I so much don't want this to be true, but perhaps tonight has brought it home to me, the possibility—and I need you to let me know, let me know in the comments below, let me know what you think—I'm appalled but I always said I was going to condition my ideas according to the evidence, according to the facts according to what is, and maybe tonight is the sign. Maybe it's happened. Maybe the time… I don't even want to say it, maybe the time for arguments is past, maybe this battle has moved beyond words. Perhaps my job is over. Perhaps I have failed, or the world has failed, perhaps I am done. For ten years, I've been saying 'not an argument', tonight, perhaps, it has been made clear, there are no more arguments to be made. Let me know what you think, hm?"
TIME FOR RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS?
Rev up those helicopters.

I get sick of this melodramatic canadian jew cocksucker too.

He's a Jew.
I hope he kills himself.

Yeah, he is melodramatic, what do you expect from an ex-actor.

His gene wars series has over 150,000 views, interview with Charles Murray has 115,000, interview with Garett Jones on Why Your Nation’s IQ Matters has 62,000, Richwine interview has 56,000, whether you like him or not, he's objectively a force for redpilling more than he is for cucking, his death would not benefit any pro-White movement.

I'm thinking that these are some subversive shills here… But if not…

You shouldn't be against him.. He fights against globalism. He may not be a full on 14/88 Nazi, but I know for sure that he's against the kikery bullshit.

He's even called out the kikes being able to have their own nation, while pointing out that whites are unable to have their own nations.

And if you are against him, please tell me why. It doesn't help our cause to just be antagonistic towards those that want to stop this insanity. You want to get to the point where you're able to go full 14/88? You take baby steps, you let it happen organically instead of being an impatient jackass that wants everyone to literally call for the gasing of the kikes this instant.

Newfuck, I didn't say he was a shill or opposition. I said he was:
melodramatic? check.
Canadian? check.
Jew? check.
Cocksucker? check.

If I really dislike someone, I do a better job than that. Blow it out your ass.

It was always going to come to violence.
Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed.

How will this effect the rare moly market??

You're trying too hard to fit in, lad. I know you have a big whiteboard of all the key swearwords, but try to moderate that shit to not stand out like a sore thumb.

Supply might dry up, definitely a poster's market.

The more gullible idiots he gathers to watch his videos the more beneficial he is? Sure, why not.

Molyjew's talent is to preach on his soap box and make people listen to him and make them feel as if they've learned something, but it's more about satisfying some emotional need in the listener, and the parasitical need for attention in the Jew.


Check his views on 9/11. At best he's a complete pussy, but probably he's just lying.

Maybe I should convert to Judaism, it would make it easier to make other White people listen to me. People are more inclined to believe lying kikes who excel in half-truths than those who genuinely speak their minds.
It seems we learned nothing from Mike Enoch's example. Molyjew is pretty much like Enoch, except he's smarter and has been doing his thing a lot longer.

Oh! no, I meant that you were a shill. But it seems more like you're ignorant.

Even still, it's hilarious that you call him melodramatic. I've seen more melodramatics on Holla Forums. Stefan knows how to tread between the fine line between overbearingness and a tranquil state anyway. I don't really think you even watched enough of his videos to call him melodramatic, especially when a lot of the times, he's talking about the future of whites and the negatives of marxist values.

And what does him being a Canadian have to do with anything? Are you going to shit on The Golden One for being Swedish?

And he's not really a jew. He has jewish heritage. He's one of the few that isn't really part of the (((tribe))). If he's a jew, he's done a REALLY shitty job at being a kike.

I won't address that last one, but hell, I'll just say that that's why I'm calling you a shill. It's obvious that you're trying to get people here to attack a clear ally.

You're a kike.

How come Holla Forums shills for this civic nationalist half kike but autistically destroys TRS when they are more too the right and more red pilled than him?

Can't the kike shills at Holla Forums atleast keep their ideology straight?

Look you can't just throw out the claim 'redpill' every time your favorite eceleb speaks. I was 5 years old when i realized niggers were generally stupid. I don't know what movement Molyjew is running besides 'give me some shekels'.

When do you think it was that the future of White nations was set up to necessarily depend on the outcome of a violent conflict? Women getting the vote/feminism/the welfare state/1965 or what?


Except it's actually a completely dissimilar situation. Mike Enoch is a white nationalist and openly pro-deporting all Jews if not gassing them and didn't reveal he had a half kike pro-diversity commie wife and continues to claim he isn't Jewish, though there's some evidence to suggest that he actually is, Stefan admits to having Jewish blood, and his wife is Greek, and rarely touches on the JQ. Like it or not, clearly neither Enoch or Stefan are pushing anti-white agendas, I don't see how you can make a comparison, it makes me think you're just a shill that doesn't like TRS so you bring them up when they're not relevant. In your response, please explain how either TRS or Stefan are pro-kike or pro-anti White agendas instead of just throwing ad hominems at me, I don't mind the latter so long as you include actual reasoning to back it up. If you just call me names instead of making a case, chances are you're the kike shill.

now to be fair bulby litteraly asked for it and trs had been fucking around for month.

Are you denying that he has alerted a significant number, tens of thousands of people to the reality of racial differences in intelligence that are heritable (i.e. caused by genetic differences)? If you're making that claim, you're an idiot, if you're not making that claim, then you aren't really disputing that he's redpilled a huge number of people. If you have some other problem with him, that doesn't mean he hasn't redpilled tens of thousands of people, I can't imagine how that is a bad thing on net, even if he takes some of their shekels, oy vey.

Fuck off kike.

I've watched a tonne of his videos and I think he generally does a good job. Particularly good ones are the race/iq correlation ones, immigrant statistics ones, the Israel/Palestine one and the Trumps ones (I'm sure their names are something along the lines of 'The Truth About Race/Illegal Immigrants/Trump/ect…)
At times he shows the blatant hypocrisy of the jews (the video where he has the jew squirming like a worm on a hook over refugees) and other times seems to give them a free pass.

Lately his videos have taken a bit of a turn where it's becoming rare he doesn't start blowing his own horn for sometimes extended periods. Equally annoying are his tendencies to over-dramatise the monologue where the facts about the situation are starting to become of second importance to the feelings he's trying to produce.

Overall, I like the guy and he's seemed to shift a hell of a lot from libertarian views to something much more on the right, but I think he's refusing to tackle the big questions over fear of his channel (and thus, income) becoming shoahed. You can decide for yourself whether that's cowardice or playing it smart.

nice argument you got there

You really don't understand.

Stefan is the VERY closest thing the alt-right has, to a mainstream presence. He makes you lot look EXTRAORDINARILY good. You guys have a problem with looking too extreme, but Stefan helps in making you all actually look decent and sane. Understand that when you get that point of acceptance where no matter how insane you act, people will be on your side, that's where you want to be. You're not at that point yet, but Stefan could possibly help. He doesn't sugar coat most of what he says, and will bring out the facts for races and sexes and give the normies a thorough red pilling.

Molyneaux is not meant to lead the alt-right or anything or act as some sort of priest, but understand that he's meant to be a gateway to the alt-right and crimson red pill. Treating him like an enemy is idiotic because he fights against many of the things you dislike anyway.

Listen, he brings up his jewish heritage from time to time, but he makes it clear that while he has jewish blood, it's as if he's not even a jew. Because really, what kind of jew honestly talks about race like he does? Tell me, do you think a kike would fucking say that Europe shouldn't hoard refugees? Would a kike so bluntly be all for capitalism and free trade like Stefan? When I said, he's not really a jew, I meant that he does NOT engage in acts of complete and total kikery like you would expect a typical jew to do.

Fuck you, fuck TRS.

Fag.

What the fuck is going on in this thread. What the fuck is this shit? I'm not even going to point out what I'm talking about because it'll make the shills better at their job, but you guys can see this too right? WHAT HE FUCK IS THIS?

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Speaking as someone who generally favors capitalism, yes, you have kikes pushing for capitalism, socialism and communism, although a pro-capitalism Jew was much rare in the 20th century than a pro-communism Jew.


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I'm disagreeing with people and making an argument, if you disagree with me, you should try making an argument instead of being a divide and conquer kike shill.

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Only a kike would say someone with Jewish heritage is not a Jew. It's kike logic.

Go back to TRS, we don't want you here.

Not an argument. If you disagree with something I've said specifically, explain, if you can't you're either a kike shill or a retard, in either case, you're the one that should be leaving, not me.

You were begging the question, sophistry is not an argument, fag.

Go back to TRS, fag.

I don't need to explain anything you fucking moron.

Your posts and their content speaks itself plainly that you are a shill for a kike and the aut-right.

Pffft, how the mighty have fallen!

5 microshekeli have been deposited into your CREW account

Specifically WHERE did I assume the initial point that I was trying to prove? That he has redpilled tens of thousands of people? If you put out a shit load of videos on race & IQ which all have 50,000-150,000 views, I certainly didn't come close to listing all of them, it's a safe assumption that you've at least created 20,000-30,000 at least reluctantly race redpilled people , that is tens of thousands (meeting the standard of my claim). Yeah, I inferred if you have half a million subscribers and you've made dozens of videos on race and IQ with hundreds of thousands of views you have redpilled at least 30,000 people, I assumed if you weren't a fucking idiot you would also be able to make that exceedingly small leap of inductive reasoning. I guess I was wrong on the former point?


Which is exactly what you would say if you were a divide and conquer kike who seeks to create division instead of making a specific argument as to how I am wrong about anything.

Thanks Tor-poster. When are you going to at least give your tacit approval of anyone who actually does something to stand up to the far-left?

There you go.


It's perfectly consistent, a bunch of divisive faggots got their business handled because of their behavior. This "don't punch right" argument falls on deaf ears after it's abused too much, which TRS did.

There is no "far-left" you stupid /leftyprolen/.

There are the jews and their goyim race traitors. I fully and openly advocate the extermination of every last jew and race traitor before we deport the shitskins. Stand up to the "far-left"? No, when our administration is ready you will be exterminated like Hitler should have done. We won't make the same mistake twice. The holocaust didn't happen but it is now.

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I didn't say that so why are you quoting me as if I did?

Why the fuck are you summarizing my post "wahh anything that I don't like etc." as if that's an actual coherent summary of my post?
In the first paragraph I argued against the point that I was begging the question here
which I argued, no, I explained that he has redpilled many people and you should be able to infer it's at least 20,000 to 30,000 based off of ,
and then in the next part where I replied to I said that just saying "you're self-evidently a shill so I don't have to make an argument" is exactly what a shill with no argument would say.

How the fuck does the content of my post, which I've just summarized, fit under this summary:
That makes no fucking sense.

The most forgiving explanation I have for your confusing post is that you misquoted, least forgiving is that you're retarded.

just writing "you are a kike" is not an argument just like "you are a nazi" is not an argument

can you tell me how moleyneux is somehow detrimental to Holla Forumss goals? (or the majority of Holla Forums as it is not ofcourse one person)


so him having jewish heritage automatically makes everything he says bad? he is against the refugee shit for example

what is your point exactly?

the final argument

fucking pathetic, fuck off

yeah proclaiming that on the street from the get go will surely make it happen
how fucking dense are you, you have to ease people into your ideas and not just scream at them incoherently like some deranged feminist

TRS was trying to re-direct Holla Forums into being pro-israel and pro-faggot/degeneracy - which will just lead us back to the exact same place we're in now. One thing we all seem to have forgotten is the virtue of 'purity'. Purity in all things, without purity everything will be corrupted. Purity is by its definition the ultimate intolerance, yet at the same time it is universally recognised as being a good thing.


There were good reasons to be against him a few years ago. He still comes out with some silly ideas, and associates himself with people who are almost certainly controlled-opposition; however he does seem to be increasingly opening up to 'our' ideas. Likely because our ideas are rooted in logic, and he essentially deifies logic (sort of like we do - alongside truth and justice).

I still think as a person he is a horrible individual, and whenever he uploads one of his 'debates' he comes across as an immature, short-tempered twat. Nonetheless he does a good job at political commentary and uses facts and logic to show that some 'unsavoury' ideas (everything we believe) are not only just, but necessary. He seems to be coming ever closer to our way of thinking, recently even talking about the benefits of ethno-nationalism. I do not think we should fully trust him, but keep monitoring his videos and fill the comments with extra red-pills. Lots of potential in his followers.

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Molyneux I would let live contributing to a eugenics government that advances genocide of Semites.

Note, Semites compete sexually and identify with their women. Their women have to be restricted from reproducing to kill them.

You don't get it, do you?

Jews can't be trusted, they play all sides, just like a parasite they stick to the host no matter what. They even got a jewish law that says it's okay to lie to goyim, it's not wrong to lie, we're just cattle.

Who says you have to trust him? He makes video, if he makes one that breaks your trust, feel free to complain about it. Personally, I hated his video on Sessions, it was 1.5 hours of oh em gee racism is bad guys.

Or put more precisely, just one that you don't like.

He's still apart of the enemy, he can't be trusted and shouldn't be allowed to be given a following from Holla Forums. We should use him, and he should not use us because we don't know if he got alterior motives.

The last part doesn't make sense, if someone is a fellow traveler with us on many issues "following" them and leaving redpills in their comment section is exactly what we should do.
ulterior*

Exactly this kind of thinking this user posted here:

Is what is dangerous. The kike-problem will still exist, it's just that they "share" our views on certain aspect, but we are still going to be infested and constantly be attacked by the jews. Because ultimately, they hate us and want us dead. And they will not stop finding ways to infiltrate and subvert our nations, no matter what or how long it will take.

Let's say we reclaim our nations again, but you let these "based" kikes, faggots, niggers and muds still live here. It might not take a generation, but the next generation will be in the same dire needs of an uprising as we do and all we fought for, will be for naught. All based on the fact that someone you thought was entertaining and half-way agreed with your views in a video on the internet, should've been spared.

I know that, but I'm not asking you to suck his dick, I'm just saying you don't have to agree 100% to admit that some of the stuff he is doing is good
if he starts doing really retarded shit, you of course call him out on it
at the moment he is a good first step on the road to becoming "redpilled" (whatever that means)
the equality myth is really strong in the general population, and when someone sees that its bullshit it makes them question what else was I lied about

Yes, but you are giving him way too much of a credit on here. It's okay if you redpill his commenters. But talking about him here, hyping him up like he's some brave thinker that we should take note of, when he is a jew. It's utterly stupid. You are anons on the fringe of the redpill that lurk Holla Forums, into that trap of listening to him and seeing him as a figurative leader of us, instead of the otherway around.

We don't need kikes, faggots and niggers to speak for us.


Yes but you can't trust him. You cannot allow yourself to build him up like a leader of reason for the generation of potential white nationalists, because he is not that, he never will be that and ultimately, all he will do is squander and misderect an entire generation of what could've been useful people for us.

getting rid of the "based" kikes comes after you get rid of the openly antagonistic ones

you really think it will be the only way? to relocate or genocide I mean
what if they forget about their heritage altogheter

why is the flag of georgia in OP's pic?

Unlikely and also dangerous. How do you know they aren't just saying what you want to hear so you don't genocide them. They drew battle lines before anyone knew there was a war. Gassing kikes is just the response to their eternal yidding.

Every time without fail, when anyone brings up the violence from marxists/communists, comments are flooded with JIDF crying fascism to avoid bringing marxism/communism into the light. Naive idiots cannot understand communism has killed hundreds of millions & JIDF will ensure they never realize where this shit truly comes from. We have at least two generations brainwashing by unchallenged marxist dogma following it to it's violent, bloody, conclusion, while these fucking tards stay bluepilled-as-fuck since JIDF will literally never ever stop deflecting communist atrocities to fascism.

Cause le deus vult

DO IT STEFAN
THE DAY OF ROPE FINALLY DRAWS NEAR
PUSH US INTO THE VIOLENCE WE ALWAYS KNEW WAS INEVITABLE
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED

Because he never claimed to be a white nationalist anti jew figure

Gettin' tired of this fake meme.

Nice

In regards to TRS/Enoch, what they put forth doesn't matter, as they've been shown to be liars and hypocrites.

from a few videos ago, moly is that close to advocate retribution

Molyneux is useful and puts out a lot of great videos. He's the reason I got here.

People can disagree with him, that's fine.

But the people on here who sperg out at the mention of his name are either shills, retards, or both.

Yeah, 1/4th, and Hitler had people who were half jews in commanding ranks, and plenty of Half-jews fought and died for a cause that all these "molyneux is a jew shill eceleb cancer!" people support anonymously on their computer.

Stefan has released tons of videos on genes/intelligence (think gene wars, discussion with Jared Taylor) he has had very important videos like the truth about the fall of rome and western parallels, the truth about McCarthyism, etc.

It's fine if you have a fundamental issue with stef. He isnt perfect and he's melodramatic, yes.

But all you people who are shitting on people for watching him are traitors in my eyes.

Speaking of his commenters, I'm surprised how often I see people doing the (((echoes))) or asking him to do a "Truth About" episode on WW2 and the holocaust. I'm sure that's not doing much for him being what he is, but I hope it's having an effect on his audience.

Also, I remember someone called in to tell him about TGSNT once, but they didn't make a good case for it. I think it'd be funny if someone could get him to watch it, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

someone with webm skills should take 10:10 - 12:30 with "sins of the father" fading in

He shilled for muh 19 arabs with boxcutters, do you think he tell truth about holohoax?

Didn't Socrates or some other philosopher refer to violence over ideas as "argument by the stick"? Does this then make fascism a bundle of arguments?

Thanks, i was waiting for you to give me permission.

Not an argument :^)

Did wrong by not actually gassing the kikes, we cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Is a philo-semite gatekeeper who claims jews are "men of the west". Not helping your case by bringing up his name.

Again, thanks for the permission.

Your opinion matters greatly to me.

No, not really. I think even if someone confronted him with it he'd reject the arguments entirely. That's why I said I think it'd be funny, rather than useful, to see him react to something like TGSNT.

I've thought that it might be possible to get him to address certain things by appealing to the "follow the evidence wherever it leads" principle he claims to follow, but I doubt it would be worth the effort. Even if you could convince him, he's smart enough to know what would lose him his audience. Not to mention he lives in Canada, so he has to be careful what he says.

Threads locked, but anyway - he's aware of TGSNT. He said in an older show that people have been pleading for him to see it and that he'd do it. Never mentioned it again afterwards though.

It's not "locked," you reddit trash. It's BUMPLOCKED.

You fucking illiterate peasant. Absolutely plebian. You're not even good enough to post on cuckchan, let alone here.

What a fucking cocksucker

Maybe. But remember he resides in cucknada. I bet "jews did 9/11" can give you prison sentence there.

Gee, thanks (((mods)))

he's not canadian

>I'm not by nature a hater, I generally don't hate. I try not to hate, but I'll tell you this: I'm learning

To think that just a few years ago, he said "I'd like to live in a world where immigration is just called moving." He's certainly come a long way.

Sad! Low energy!

You have to go back.

I'm fine with the policy as long as it is across the board bumplocking. They haven't done as well with that lately, I think the trs dox confused the issue a bit.

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He has the ability to be our Thomas Paine if he wanted to.

Aaaand dropped

precisely, the image of a bundle of sticks was considered a symbol of authority in rome, which is where the latin word for a bundle of sticks, "fasces" becomes "fascism"

cuz they are good at removing kebab.
it's also flag of city of Jerusalem.

Interesting. I could be totally wrong here, but I'm going to assume you haven't done shit for the cause here. The only thing you do is try to get people not to watch a moly video because he's 1/4th jew!

If people like you were in charge of the third reich, the movement wouldn't be so much as a blip in the history books. People like you are nothing but traitors.

My "cause" is the 14 words. Pardon me if I don't suck eceleb dick of someone who encourages whites to abandon their families along with other stupid counterproductive shit. Pardon me for having little patience for gatekeepers like the Jew lover I mentioned earlier.

So what? Being here doesn't automatically mean you're going to move beyond your cult leader's teachings, especially not when you continue to suck eceleb dick.

I admit I'm not suited for such a leadership role, however I don't place my faith in philosemites or lolberg jews like you seem to be doing now.

Once again, your opinion of me means everything to me. :^)

He actually became an ethno-nationalist some months ago, I remember watching that video.

I thought he was going to name the Jew at the end.