Hey there, I'm "the guy who never shuts up about Puerto Rico"/"socdem apologist". I used to tripfag here but I usually post without it now. I'm going to move back to Puerto Rico in less than a year and try to be an activist, either through existing organizations or otherwise. (If you're not aware of why I would do that, Puerto Rico is one of the biggest victims of global capitalism, officially classified by the UN as a colony multiple times, and now is basically a satellite state with the debt "solution" Congress whipped up.) I'm some nobody De Leonist (of sorts- if you're curious my ideal government would basically have industrial union representatives elected within their respective unions that have delegations proportional to membership, with most laws going to referendum through delegative democracy and be easily challenged, and, of course, lend itself to withering away- it's not a dogma of mine, just something that i think would work best, at least right now), but I think I'm read and have good debate skills (and practice), especially against low-level vermin like the ones Xezizy was debating.
To the point: I had a bit of an idea- an official unofficial Holla Forums debate and resources group. Spookbusters perhaps. We could have different representatives from different strands of leftist (and- sigh- post-leftist) thought and sharpen each others skills by also having internal debates. Any chucklefucks or assholes could have their seal of approval or whatever removed. Would anyone be interested in joining this if it was made? And should we? If so, who should we be debating?
I'm working on something like this. Maybe have a few others interested.
Lincoln Mitchell
literally the worst idea i've ever heard
Ayden Wilson
shouldn't that be what leftypol is for anyway? No?=(
Levi Taylor
Stunningly your capacity to shit up every thread doesn't leave much space for anything worthwhile.
Christian Price
that's mean, user
Grayson Ortiz
Sort of, I'd summarize Holla Forumss purposes as the following- Right now it's focusing less on the top two, because most cuckservatives don't like to leave their torture chamber and because a lot of us also don't like to have our ideas challenged- this manifests itself the best in n1x. I also feel as if having an official unofficial group of read eggheads and intellectuals will reflect better on our community than a bunch of larpers, nihilists and other guys jumping on equally low-level Holla Forumsscum and will be more productive over all and amplify our views more. If we can post our debates and content on, for example, Youtube, it will have a wider audience than people coming on here and having to figure out how to work the chan system to ask questions of varying honesty here that will eventually get pruned. It's more permanent and spreads more- there's more of an acknowledgement of achievement and ideas with "these people obviously won on a touted livestream against an equally celebrated rightist group " than "these anons wrecked that user". Furthermore if we make ourselves look big and scary somewhat competent people from other positions like Mencius Moldbug might be interested. Mencius Moldbug has no reason to come on here and argue with "Anonymous" because it gets him no credibility and nobody will remember it and he probably thinks they're small potatoes. If we make ourselves look like a big deal more people will be interested. If The Editor delivers we'd love to have you, Rebel.
Fucking incredible dude. Count me in. If there's any way I can help, let me know.
This is a good idea too. Maybe incorporate some of it.
I'm only even talking to them because I want to see what the next thing they'll come up with is. You can't really top "In fact, it wouldn't shock me to find HER manhood, placed directly into his cornhole. Yeah, what a way to remember your President - Transgender bathrooms - what a fucking legacy to remember, for a guy like you, who calls people "fags" but supports the Liberal ideology of Socialism, and lies about the facts of socialism to downplay it's inherently self-destructive role in bringing down a society." though.
Aiden Sanchez
Sage for wankery.
Just saying but I remember when this community struggled to remain in the top 15 and had something like 30 active users. Now we're solid top 5 with over 500 at any given moment. Proud of you dirty fucking commies.
Austin Taylor
Bump
Hunter Bell
What is this halfchan?
Dylan Nguyen
I had no idea dogs could have waifus.
Carter Rodriguez
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Joseph Smith
And bunkerfags are keen on it, what a surprise.
Xezizy had it coming. He'll (hopefully) pull his head in and learn from this experience.
Austin Taylor
Eyo OP im in.
Slowly but surely we will get there.
Samuel Roberts
I agree with the project and I think it's very necessary, but honestly it's not going to work.
The reason Xexizy managed to post here for over a year, become a main "speaker" for the board, interact with us on IRC and Twitter and still be so clueless about Socialist theory is because studying and learning, improving our skills and organizing is just not what this board is about. There's virtually no desire of doing any of these things among 90% of the current boarders, and the other 10% probably already have other things going on.
So you'll waste your time organizing a group, a few people will join, they will go off topic within minutes, then there will be silence, and then everyone will leave and you'll be frustrated. So don't bother with it.
Daniel Brown
I sense mass-media influence.
As in "youtube/IRC"? Because I don't consider either of them to be good medium of discussions.
Jonathan Sullivan
If you all want to improve debate skills btw, try doing that thing where you argue against yourself on text.
Write your views as eloquently as you can, let a few days go by and then read it imagining you're a conservative trying to find gaps on it. Then prepare a comeback for those gaps and if you can't, you at least know exactly where there are holes in your worldview and you can find ad hoc fixes for it.
Christian Sanchez
But I can't make counter arguments against my own positions without immediately refuting them.
Adrian Clark
I was thinking streams like the one Xexizy did. Which I guess is Youtube.
Dude, even 1% of this board is like 10 people. Most debate teams are 2-4 people. "Clubs" are anywhere between 5 and 5,000. So a small club is fine. It's OK if the group is dead most of the time if we can organize debates with anyone interested or go it alone. Maybe we could schedule times for the group to be more active and for us to swap resources and talking points and such. Every two weeks to start, maybe.
Neat. I think at this point we're waiting to see if The Editor delivers with anything, and if not I'll look into making like a Discord or a Telegram or a Facebook group (pls no).
I'm not a bunkerfag. I haven't spent much time on bunkerchan but they look like fags.
Can you elaborate your concerns there?
Carson Parker
In regards to debate, I think it's pretty useless to debate Holla Forums and people like them. It would be much better to debate somewhat prominent liberals. It would be better for exposure plus liberals have no concept of theory which is double nice.
Jonathan Peterson
It's not about convincing the debate team itself, it's about exposure. Though I do think that debating folks like Sargon will be overall a better idea especially since they're more open to it (self-confident, lol) we also need to be able to face off against our primary opposition as the world grows increasingly radicalized. What if we got on Crowder? We should get on Crowder. Holy shit, we should get on Crowder.
James Reed
I would be up for some internal text based debates, if they are done with good will and not to formal(ie. not having to look for sources of every damn sentence)
Mason Scott
fgts. I meant start an IRC so you can bicker and argue constructively against one another to help you think critically. Not some reddit tier group therapy sessions where you hamfist your fucking agenda onto some twat's personal opiniontube show.
Brayden Wood
What about making a discord server? You can have loads of channels on these, so having a seperate debate channel would be no problem.
Ian Johnson
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Angel Jenkins
richard pls go
Jackson Bailey
Good idea. We could post pastebins at each other and link them.
Por Que No Los Dos?
I hope that's like a cloud server because I ain't hostin' shit. But I did bring that up here
Zachary Fisher
fuck off discord shill
Alexander Edwards
Having debates on IRC is shitty, if you know something better than Discord please say so.
Brody Peterson
If you pinkos want to debate, you can come anytime at some teamspeak channel or w/e, even right now, or we can organise another debate event.
Honestly that transhumanist and co group seems like the perfect representatives for you, but if you think you can muster someone less pathetic you are welcome to give it a go.
Carter Collins
You're one to talk. Nobody asked Muke to do the debate, he went alone, and the other team made itself look horrible as well. I don't even know why you'd say that considering 2 out of 4 weren't even Marxists. Like sure we can have some anarchist affirmative action but that's half the team when like 80% of the board is Marxist at least to some degree.
Already mentioned Telegram. Other than that though…
Jayden Hughes
Get good
Poor quality post.
Lucas Long
punb :DDDD
Noah Ortiz
Embarrassing
Gabriel Clark
No, this is just in general famalam. I even say in the OP that TRS is low-level vermin.
Kayden Moore
pinb
Jace Fisher
No.
The last one ruined us and the next one I predict will do the same because they will bring out their better debaters than some TRS randoms.