What went wrong?

EU loving socdem kid thought he was a marxist and after being bodied by nazis he should soon realize what he really is.

Yeah, I'm unsubbing.

He never showed BP or dick

Is this the queer who just got btfo in the debate with the nazis?

Jesus that was a slaughter. Kid should just quit.

Theory m8

He was born

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS READ THEORY.

YOU HAD ONE JOB.

ONE
JOB

Whats going on? How did you guys manage to embarrass yourself this time?

What is this all about?

youtube.com/watch?v=ZiiOz6V-9N8

It's what you get for having a guy who doesn't read for a mascot. Sorry Xexizy, no offence, but it's true. You shouldn't be debating if you don't do prep.

I'm getting the sense from people here that someone didn't read theory? Is that accurate?

Xexizy is meme-tier understanding of leftism

And he got rekt because he didn't do his reading

Rebel?

Xexizy is for fucking, not for thinking.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOURE NOT A MARXIST-LENINIST

Xxexizy is more interesting to watch as a normalfag getting to gradually (and I mean gradually) learn about leftism and see how his opinions and understanding change over time, than to see as a "youtube authority". And I honestly think he should embrace that.

We should've had the Stalinists in on this debate. At least they're consistent and willing to understand their own ideology.

fuck off Holla Forums

"Stalin was a gud boy, he dindu nuffin rong"

It's the person, it's the ideology. Conservatives are wrong about Socialism, but they're right about Marxist Leninism. Fuck off.

except he is a fucking ML you dumb Holla Forumsack. Atleast learn your fellow scum.

"Stalin was a gud boy, he dindu nuffin rong"

Stalinists are much more stupid, what are you talking about?

Okay, without having to watch a two hour long fucking video, where is Xexizy weak on theory?

I never watched Xexizy and I'm not defending him, I'm just curious.

Come on anfem. Really? REALLY? Look deep into your heart.

well i disagree with the term Stalinist i agree there should be actual Marxist-Leninist, we need people to actually separate the fact from fiction around Stalin and interject the very important historical factors that lead to things like the purges

Are you Rebel?

how can you be this dense?
its obviously a fucking Holla Forumsack

fucking everywhere lmao

What? I'm serious. I'm not even a fan of Stalin, but he'd gulag these counterrevolutionaries anyway.

Nice meme. And missing the point.
Stalinist poster actually reads and although I disagree with him, he's not stupid and is serious.

Yes, really, Rebel.

Exactly. This was one of the first places that the debate started to derail.

it's not. I've seen anfem who doesn't have the name round a lot.

Look deeper my man

You are all fucking morons. The meme of "hurr durr read theory" is being exploited by the Holla Forumsacks to make muke hated.

Like. specifically, what did he get wrong?

Should I watch it? Is it bad? How bad is it?

I personally can't watch any of muke's shit. He's just not interesting, and nothing he says is new.

Muke was already hated my man.

Bruv, there's no starting to it, there's nothing redeeming there.

its fairly distressing to see 'internet Marxist' who dont seem to have a good grounding in stuff like this.

Stalin Poster: "Stalin was a gud boy, he dindu nuffin wrong"

He only reads what fits his narrative, he's actually dumb as shit, stop giving these retards credibility.

Well I mean, yeah I hated him already, but that doesn't change the fact that Holla Forumsacks are using the read theory meme to make people hate him.

I personally hate him because he is a sleezy annoying asshole, class traitor, and larping liberal faggot.

Thank you for correcting the record.

would you care to explain?

I have this suspicion as well.

I don't want to watch a two hour long "debate" between a YouTuber and Nazis, but I get the feeling that they were simply pulling some of the old fascist sophistry and demagogic debate tactics, and have just been spamming our board and found out that "reading theory" is something important here, but have no idea what that entails.

Like this guy not even being able to say where Xexizy was weak.

we all lose with opinionstube and serious internet deb8s
either talk about theory properly or shitpost but don't try and act like you know

So just how many people that post here are jewish? It seems like a really sore spot for you guys.

I have a big nose personally but it's a sign of masculinity

kek

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The very concept. You don't "debate" fascists.

Okay so thats two so far, who else here is Jewish?

That image looks like Evola for idiots. So basically just Evola?

Fuck off, would you?

Filthy spic actually ;^)

The problem is that none of you are working class, you're pampered upper middle class faggots and the actual working class is disgusted by you.

I'm not Jewish personally I just get money from them and George Soros to fund my NEET lifestyle so this is why I'm here on Holla Forums

could you all do me a favor and report these shitposters so its easier to ban em all
thnx

Nice meme.

So if you completely deny the existence of race, then how do you define a Nation? As a mere geographic location?

wow I replied to the wrong one

Never watched his shit and his videos bored me.

My point is that you don't debate fascists and most of the fascist side of that debate, from what I can tell, demonstrated this perfectly. Xexizy's first and most retarded misstep was getting into a "debate" with people who are there in very bad faith representing an ideology that's actually known for its use of sophistry and demagoguery.

Working class is anyone who has to sells their labor, Holla Forums.

Nations were invented with the rise of the nation state in modern times, before that people identified most with their local dialects and such but nationalism destroyed all that European culture through linguistic and cultural genocide trying to create single nations.

Aka not you (students and NEETs).

It's a spook. Arbitrary plots of land and arbitrary groupings of people, developed in the 19th century largely to legitimize the state in a period when feudal and royal power was dying.

this

People like to live with people who share the same customs, behavior, appearance, etc. You can scream and whine about spooks but that won't change the natural human inclination to be with their own.

maybe "people" do but I sure as fuck don't
there's literally no good food in my country

speak for yourself you spooky mofo. I couldn't give any fucks about "my people", fuck them all, I hate them.

You should at least realize that rootless cosmopolitan xenophiles like you are a tiny minority and you'll never achieve your political goals through democratic means.

How stupid are you? You have to be really stupid to believe that a smart Leftist couldn't have wiped the floor with them.

Speak for yourself, pls, and stop sucking Xexizy's dick.

[citation needed]

The world's three largest countries by population: China, India and the United States, are all multicultural. The United States is a particularly interesting example because it consists almost entirely of a population that moved from more culturally homogeneous parts of the world to a more culturally diverse, cosmopolitan country.

I do recognise that I'm a part of the libertarian aristocracy and I look down on all the filthy plebs every day

Then they will focus on those who live near them, and they will judge those individuals on their behavior, I doubt they will care very much about your conception of race.

Has it occured to you that maybe we just don't give a fuck about race or ethnicity? Everything isn't black and white, one doesn't always have to either love or hate something. I just don't give a fuck what someone looks like. It doesn't fucking matter.

What does spook/spooky mean?
(yeah, i'm newfag)

You're not worried about Trump winning or Brexit passing or anything like that then eh?

It means a social construct.

Literally it's a spectre/phantom, figuratively it's an idea that people act for instead of acting in their self interest.

This

the good ol' socratic dialogue would've completely btfo these mongoloids.

Just look at the rise of Trump. Do you really think he was the smartest guy in any of his debates? It's all about being a witty, dominating presence with a thick layer of populist demagoguery.

Students usually are working class, NEETS are lumpens. I am neither.

More of a failure of the left than a success of the right. Had leftists been there to provide a proper alternative to right-wing anti-establishmentness there would be no concern. For example, had more people not fallen for the liberalism S█████ would have won and Trump wouldn't even stand a chance, and had leftists been able to reform the EU and give people actual control over it, brexit would not have occurred.

Thanks for the soundbytes, Anonymous.

It is rather discouraging when those that have the most time to waste on studying the achievements (and even failures) of the left would rather just become pop. figures and blindly partisan advocates for nothing…

Look, Rebel, Stalinism was even a greater (and more interesting) philosophical problem than Nazism, and while Holla Forums tried to drive that point they didn't really understand how and even did so with hypocrisy. For example, there is a basic difference between Stalinist and Nazi victim status, from a simple phenomenological approach. Under Nazism, if you were a Jew, you were simply killed, no questions asked, you had nothing to prove. You are guilty for who you are, you are a Jew, you are killed, that’s it. Under Stalinism, of course, most victims were on trial for false accusations; most of them were not traitors. Nonetheless, they were tortured or through some kind of blackmail forced to confess to being traitors. In Fascism, you are guilty for your whole being. The very fact that you had to confess makes Stalinism paradoxical and perverse.

An immaterial social fiction, typically used as a way to limit human behavior.

Typically not, unless they're in trade school.

Yeah, good thing for the right that the left is dead set on not providing a proper alternative. There is nobody on the left offering to stop the migrants or build a wall, that'd be WAAAAYCISSSS so the left will actually oppose it, making the right stronger.

This is wrong. Is the student who comes from a wealthy family part of the working class per chance?

Can someone sum this debate up? I don't want to waste 2 hours on it. Was it really that bad or are you just giving cuteboy some tough love?

I am an extremely slow reader, but its not an excuse, for someone to talk about specific topic they should read on the subject and at the very least watch lectures and read articles, you may be right in a vague seance but you shouldn't debate people and try to make pop videos when all your information comes form pop videos and chans

Most students have part time jobs, at least. Very few live off of state funding alone.

And the wall thing won't work, because capitalism demands cheap human capital.

Do their parents own a means of production?

Saying that there's no one on the left willing to do something retarded and pointless that is ultimately just about assuaging reactionary feels is a compliment.

Yeah, because a wall by itself is something that helps produce material wealth and brings prosperity to a nation.

Just play it in the background.

Please set up a space so this board can argue and practice thought through contradiction.

Some of them certainly do.

Again, "means of production" mean nothing when you compare a rich doctor and a wageslave retail worker, none of them own means of production and yet they're hardly a part of the same class.

Say hello to President Trump then.

"Multicultural nations"
then tell me, why do people practice self-segregation ? why do places that are 99% black, white or hispanic exist in america?
yeah go to a cosmopolitan city and see places like chinatown where only chinese hang out! so diverse!

Trump needs to pull a minor miracle out of his asshole if he wants to win anything.

They both need to sell their labor to survive. That doctor, unless he owns his own practice, is an employee of someone else.

Wow, some real insight there.

Ask the anti-brexit crowd how well that worked.

Ok, so, haven't watched it yet, but, IMO, ITT, haters are hating, pol is exploiting, somehow xex was shit but noone is telling the rest of us how except for "theory, muh dude!", from what I saw it wasn't 2 V 2 or 2 V 1 or somthing, AKA Chaos…

Could ANY of you glorius scribes of theory tell us plebs why it went to shit?

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The premise was flawed. There is no such thing as debate with fascists. Muke was just completely suffocated by spam.

Indeed, but you will never see a high-payed worker demand the seizure of means of production. It is not in his interest.

Economics, the social safety nets provided by their communities, and many of them have bought into spooks. But the fact that they'd move away from their "motherland" to a place less homogeneous shows that the spooks are far from some absolute.

RCP uses an aggregate poll that is a good deal more accurate than anything the Brits are using. Typically, it comes within a single percentage point of the actual results.

yeah but it's funny that even those people that immigrate stay within their own communities
that's how tribalism is still so strong and it won't magically go away in your commie utopia where everyone is the same lel

Holla Forums is already that.

Next time we recruit Žižek.

What really went wrong was that they had so many opportunities to contest the puerile and haphazard arguments made on the other side, and when they were painted as champagne socialists (ironically we were also accused of using the first ad homs which isn't true) just took it and said nothing. For example, argument Holla Forums had for why Marxist theory couldn't be applied to the contemporarily was because labour is so specialized, but that was the argument that Marx literally made and no one said anything.

it's really not. This is not pol tier, but it's one of the more isolated places on the internet. It's not a place to hone debate skills, you need one on ones for that. Facebook, unfortunately, is where I go.

I dig it.

They mostly don't choose to live in black ghettos, no.

A part of the desire to be in "your own community" stems from economic dependence. People feel they can "trust" their own group more than the Other.

Look at how consummately cosmopolitan the modern bourgeoisie are, frequently living in several different countries at once. Tell me, if cultural homogeneity was truly the most natural and best way to live, wouldn't the bourgeoisie stay strictly within their own countries instead of taking trips across the globe as a sort of lifestyle?

i think theres a huge problem with zizek here honestly hes not some one you go to for answers on anything, he can explain aspects of how things work but to me he need to be reflected on rather then listened to

Depends. The high paid workers are still at the mercy of their employers.

That I expected. I get it now. I know. It's like trying to talk to 4 year olds about algebra.

Yep. 4 year old. In the end it doesn't matter what you tell them. Even if you do get Zizek against them you'll still have to mute them, answer and then make them raise their hand to as a question.
The bases of nazi propaganda is the creation of a mob.

High-paying jobs are usually more secure and steady because they require higher qualifications and education, which are hard to come by. Public sector is particularly secure and is almost a special parasitic caste in itself, leeching off every other part of society.

Low-paying workers are usually more replaceable and have every right to feel threatened. High-paying workers don't.

If only there were a way of connecting to a chat channel without social media…

This is what I said on the dubtrack:

No hate on Muke, he's a good kid for the most part, but he's not normie-friendly, has no empathy for other peoples' lack of understanding, and no awareness for his own lack of understanding on things. I'm just wondering why leftypol is surprised. I mean it's pretty obvious Xexizy is just regurgitating things he hears from others most of the time, and has no actual in depth skill of arguing or defending his points. He doesn't spend long outside the echo chamber debating for himself.
These are serious softball arguments.
If you can't argue against these, you've
no business being a "mascot" for any
ideology, elected or honorary or otherwise.
he's essentially a shill paid in compliments.

If Muke happens to disagree with this, we could always talk about it over a live debate ;)

Privatize everything, imma right?

Hey, how about going outside!

You should probably take your own advice.

Not everything but smaller, less corrupt and more efficient public sector is desirable.

He doesn't know what he's talking about and only tries to sound smart and educated.

You got BTFO because you had no arguments.

Keep the salt coming niggers

The polls were showing a pretty close race for Brexit

Come back please.

Well you're not wrong

Problem happens when you take things that could be decided in the commons and hand them to unaccountable plutocrats.

First, not trying to read theory.
Second agreeing to debate fascists
third not fucking getting yui or rebel to debate fascists instead

AKA Neoliberalism?

Wait… .. No Yui? .. .. Ok. This is doomed. I'm not gonna watch it.

Don't get me wrong, Yui is a faggot, but he know his shit.

The state isn't the commons.

He said Yui was going to be in it, but i guess yui never showed up, and the entire debate was fucking ruined.

Schnitz did you get the message I sent you?

On what platform? Steam? Youtube? Discord?

Facebook

normies pls die

what went so right?

should've just yelled spook every 10 seconds, wouldn't've even been wrong

or just acquainted their heads with the pavement, that'd be nice

what went wrong was the fact that this guy hasn't read enough lenin or (if any) marx, and didn't treat this retards like what they were - retards. why he dignified them for a debate when he knew all they were going to do is talk about jews, muslims, and other spooky shit is beyond me.

nice stirner. I've never seen a sad one before. It's very dank.

Well what went wrong is basically this. Muke does not have debating skills, he doesn't have a good grasp of the ideology he claims to support, and finally the fact that he and the others could not control the debate.

First off don't go prancing into a debate unprepared.

Second you get a mediator to control the debate other wise you get what happens chaos, people talking over one another, derailing the argument.

Third, relying on others to debate while you sit in the back fiddling with your thumbs hoping no one calls on you.

These were some of the problems I have seen. So now Holla Forums has become Holla Forums's laughing stock as Holla Forumstards will continue to flood this place and continue to make a mess. Now one day I hope that /leftypol. get's it shit together and redeem any sort of credit that was lost today.

Its a grim day here on this board. Let us remember the mistakes that were made today and learn from them. As repeating the same mistakes is the road to insanity.

Holla Forums plz go

no u

seriously though. Whomever of the two groups that comes into power will gas the other.

2016 is literally thunderdome. I'd gladly oven all of you in real life personally.

Zizek is phenomenal in debates. Go watch some of them.

Why are you showing a picture of June numbers in September? Don't you faggots have any more fresh pictures? Even your memes are stale.

Maybe it isn't the retard spergs you chose to debate, maybe it is that your whole life's philosophy is fucking laughable. It literally doesn't work, and when you try to explain it you sound retarded.

Leave it up to a bunch of suburban whites to spout some jew bullshit unironically, while patting themselves on the back.

the debate was two sides parroting cancer, the rightside was slightly better

Pretty much him being born a scrawny little faggot which would of course lead him into snowflake leftism.

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But it does to the super-majority of the world's population, dipshit.

You people are so deluded that you will actually cite America as a refutation of the idea that people wish to live among their own and that homogenous societies are healthier societies. You know: the incredibly divided USA, wherein the different races demand to be pandered to, and live in clusters, and bitch about whitey. It's falling apart at the seams, as the non-European populations expand and demand ever greater muh privileges for their groups (self-acknowledging and propagating groups, like all others on Earth besides Europeans who operate within a paradigm created by self-professed Marxist intellectuals).

You start from a point of willful ignorance (because it makes you feel like you're above the plebs) and go on from there: never acknowledging the basic fundamentals about not just people, but more or less all organisms in the universe.

Every leftist echo chamber (and that's basically all of civilisation atm) gives the greatest rewards to those who signal their moral and intellectual superiority by denying hierarchy and the existence of superior and inferior: this is mental. You are all fucking mental. It's bloody laughable, and I truly hope that you're just the usual adolescent marxists who haven't grown up yet.

Jesus guys like most of you would have done any better. The few people who seem to know their shit here are Marxhead poster, Stalin's mustache tripfag SocDem and a couple of others.

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wew

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pretty disappointed actually
muke was weak on theory, no yui and everyone got triggered and left

Sad thing is, the so-called anfem is right. Stalinist autism is not to be trifled with. Stalinists are the best weapon we have against fascist stupidity. The stubborn attack dogs of the left.

You don't say?

Not really. Nazism dispensed with all idea of equality under the law. Simply being a member of a certain ethnicity, sexuality, so on, meant you had no rights. Stalinism had to manufacture a reason for the execution – it was a holdover from the enlightenment, which managed to survive even under the most dictatorial rule. These days simply being accused of terrorism, or planning terrorism, takes away your rights under law. No confession is necessary. Which is more perverse?

I'd really like to see you step up to the plate. Show us that depth of knowledge you're known for.

Yui would be amusing in that he would say he'd guillotine the lot of them without debate.

Fucking good sense on his part.

What else is new? Keep in mind they attempt to strawman us to death on a daily basis.
lmao

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why are all you self-flagellating idiots acting like Muke and co. got destoryed? Muke was probably the weakest of all the lefties arguing but I'd say it was pretty even between the two sides in terms of arguments and debate skills.

More like （（（Xexizy））） :^)

Muke is a nice, innocent guy who got duped into thinking he was a super smart genius because leftypol is so vapid and uneducated that it thinks that any critique of evil Stalinism or the spooky Old Left is indication of genius.

Well, atleast you are honest about your psychotic fantasies.

This whole thread was a good read, butthurt commies are my favorite.

No surprises here.

Get a real proletariat dumbarses

Fucking this. My God.

leninism =/= marxism-leninism

Spooky

So if nazis threw Germany into compelte desaster by starting WW2 that would make them the weak ones, right? That would fit, because afterwards we have the economic success known as the Wirtschaftswunder in the BRD. So the starting popularity of alt-right parties must be the return of the weak men, who will ones again throw us into chaos.

The nazis are hard men created by the easy time i.e. Weimar republic.

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nazis were the only people who always had an easy time throughout history because of "we gotta treat them like real people, not cancer" propaganda.
"if we outlaw them, they will just go underground, we wouldn't want that" was the argument when considering to outlaw the NSDAP and it was the argument when considering to outlaw the NPD.
german secret services are actively protecting and arming nazi terrorist organizations (this is mainstream news, not conspiracy theories) and i'm sure it is the same in other countries too.
now nazis cry like babies and talk about how the government wants to put them into concentration camps (literally) because some of their posts get deleted from their private facebook groups, whereas spam they spread over and over again in leftwing groups remains because of "spam is free speech" propaganda.

meanwhile left parties get outlawed on a regular basis, even satire ones like the german APPD (which is a cool as fuck party and completely harmless).

So they were ruined by the treaty of Versailles and banksters. Boo hoo. Real suffeering was in places like India suffering under imperialist oppression.

He's ugly.

Until Holocaust denial is allowed in all society, nazis will continue to be oppressed.

India is a non-white shithole and the brits brought civilization there.

The brits left, and now the indians don't have toilets.

India was an even poorer shithole while under British rule. The decade leading up to independence was punctuated by multiple famines and millions dead.

I don't know if they were poorer or not but they had toilets.

They didn't, though. India has a toilet problem because most areas where the population has grown the fastest have no public sanitation infrastructure. If it doesn't exist now, it sure didn't exist before independence.

The only infrastructure the Brits were interested in building were railways to resources to ports so they could be shipped back to England for manufacturing.

pragati.nationalinterest.in/2014/08/indias-sanitation-story/

Spooks matter for the bearer of the spooks, so what? People should be educated.
The top income strata – people who benefited financially and culturally from globalisation, e.g. academics, highly-paid professionals, business people, financiers and so on – is by default (by the logic of the Capital that is) 'internationalist' and doesn't have any problems with other races/ethnic groups, while native 'working class' in the first world is 'xenophobic', because it is constantly screwed over by the system (and because of muh culture and education). Here's hierarchy for you.

So Marxism is a bourgeois movement?

It originates among folks who have an actual opportunity to study and produce new understanding, which 14 hours-a-day worker lacks. It can be picked up by anyone later.
There is by the way a "Makhaevism" – critique of Marxism as a movement of intelligentsia to take over normie proles again during the revolution.
libcom.org/history/jan-waclaw-machajski-radical-critic-russian-intelligensia-socialism-marshall-s-shatz

Only until the useful idiots are purged.

What an excellent argument for colonialism

So it's an intellectual movement, now I kinda understand why it has never been tried.

It's an excellent argument to how the brits cleaned up India and the indians conveniently forgot sanitation institutional mandate post-independence.

Gee, maybe they were ruined by colonialism and could not keep it and many other things up? Did you even read a single thing?

The only thing I read is that with colonialism, they got sanitation mandate, but post-independence, they poo without loo.

At least you admit to being uninformed and uneducated.

They also got a mandate to grow indigo plants and opium poppies which caused a famine within six years that killed at least 10 million :^)

post your le meme pictures when leftypol's hero is a literal child

how will Holla Forums ever recover?

The present sanitation problem in India is continuing to surprass that 10 millions in killcount.

So maybe the indians should get back to growing opium cuz the famine killed less than pooing without loo.

1/3 of India hates toilets because they see it as against their native culture, despite the other 2/3 being sick of it.

This is what nationalism actually looks like in reality. It's no Aryan fairy tale.

And I would be fine with that if smelly indians do not bring their shit tier culture all over the world.

I'll admit I have no idea what this board was thinking. He was a literal kid and communist movements of modern times seems to be filled with these kids and then looking at his background and where and how he lived he is the worst kind of bourgeois child.

How on earth did anyone think he could speak for us? And do not deny it either, we all saw the threads in which this board overwhelmingly approved of him before the debates, you know who you are are. The same dumb kids that supported that traitor B████ ██████ right?

All who represent us currently are an embarrassment.

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Any stat in recent year?

Most people that subscribe to marxist ideas are either underage or autistic. First thing you guys need to do is stop worshipping obese christian commies and autistic underage kids. Then you'll do better if there's ever another one. x^DD

Holla Forums was getting hyped up because Muke thought he was the best after "debating" some ancaps.

Too bad the fascists prove too much for him.

I wouldn't, it's fucking revolting and literally the only reason they do it is to be special snowflakes. Extreme social conservatism is a problem in general for India–Hindu nationalism is probably a lot more dangerous than Islamic terrorism.
Not counting the Indians that simply lack access to proper shitters, of course, which is exacerbated by the lack of an established market driving up cost.

kek

Why can't there never be any cool communist? Why is it always edgy kids that paint their hair? >_>

You guys don't need someone that's cool. Just someone that can actually call out shitty non-arguments and strawmanning while actually understanding their own ideology. Then you probably wouldn't get btfo by a low listener trs podcast.

Cool communists died with Stalin.

I hate you.

But I hate more that this is mostly true right now as well.

I wager the vast majority of Holla Forums is underaged given the support this xexizy kid got. Meanwhile I browse your shitty board and social media and it is entirely adults to the point you have 80 year olds timestamping themselves telling you comfy stories. Even that fucking 90 something year old Aussie.

To be fair, this is because Holla Forums has actual normie exposure from the Trump campaign. Before that it was clueless college age kids like on here, which is generally typical for chans.

Now Holla Forums is slowly becoming the hip new Free Republic.

Well to be completely honest Holla Forums and Holla Forums both have a shit ton of underage kids. The only difference is that nobody past their mid twenties actually believes in any marxist ideas.

I disagree, I'm a boring 22 year old man and I think Marxist thought makes a lot of sense, despite its flaws. I don't LARP in a Lenin hat or black bloc clothing like an idiot.

The problem with the underage kids is that calling yourself a communist is a classic way to rebel against parents in the Anglosphere. It's often far more offensive to them than calling yourself a Nazi.

I'd be willing to bet that calling yourself a Nazi is more likely worse in todays society. Most people don't know anything about all the special snowflake marx ideologies and wouldn't bat an eye if you said you were one of them. However they know how ebil the nazi's were because they have seen schindlers list and shit like that their whole life.

I'll choose neither, thanks.

That's exactly why it sounds worse, Marx is the most grossly misunderstood figure in modern philosophy so people fill in the blanks with their own paranoid nonsense based on their personal anxieties, which is why people think George Orwell and Kurt Vonnegut were right wing authors. (They weren't.)

In comparison, people are familiar enough with Nazism that skinheads come off as simply dull and angry at everything, not as Machiavellis.

I don't know it works in yurup, but it's definitely like that in the US. Even liberals will get annoyed if people try to ban the yearly Klan rallies.

The average American literally doesn't even know who Marx is.

Got through an hour but man it was bad. Why even bring the technotwat along, and furthermore, why didn't Xex challenge on any of the points that actually mattered, like that people on welfare generally don't like being on welfare and aren't just parasites sitting around and laughing at everyone, welfarism is a creation of capitalism. Jesus.

I doubt it greatly. Consider this greatly doubted.
It's a democratic communist party, and it's done a lot of great stuff, but I doubt it's communist.

How much private property is there actually?

Because tankies hate them as much as classcucks do.

tfw you debate with fascists instead of beat them

t. edgelord threatening people on the internet

That's another thing that caught my attention when I heard about this debate. Why the fuck did you guys choose them? Even though you won they clearly weren't your best debaters. Did you know this would happen? Do you think this little of us? If not then why. If so, then fuck you.

t. edgelord telling people to gas niggers on the internet

Should make WEBMs of your vids tbh. A debate between and Sargon would also be more interesting than this one.

"threatening"
lul

you're unironically dumb

I remember reading this

washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/

It feels like I'm the only adult that wants to stick around this ideology these days. Even the man who must not be named that starts with a B and last name S betrayed us. Maybe I should move on…

It isn't implied anywhere in my post, fatty

Yes, this is perfect. Let those TRS guys and Xexizy in a ring. Surely that will result in our victory this time…

Are you fucking listening to yourself?

22 is a child. Holy fucking shit you aren't even past college age.

why is everyone saying he hasn't read any theory?
This isn't a driving test where you need your theory and practical
Just be retarded and you get to be a EU loving liberal LARPing as a Leninist

After Colonel Chicken lost in our state, the Socialist Alternative picked up their table and never came back. I wonder why.