Star Trek Discovery (no hwites allowed)

Yet another of my childhood-to-adulthood favorites being raped and twisted by diversity pushing socjus's and niggerloving jews.

It's your own fault for liking Marxist propaganda.

starts at 8pm est.

yeah absolutely

And how many hours away is that for non-Americucks? Want to know if I'll get a torrent today or tomorrow.

It's around 1 or 2 PM if you're in Western Europe.

And how many hours away is that for non-Eurocucks?

depends on what time zone you are in goyim

lmgtfy.com/?s=b&q=how to convert to utc

Are they looking for the cure for STD? Seriously, what is their mission?

Spreading it throughout the galaxy.

brettygood will be streaming it in about 30 minutes when it airs

literally who

our streaming guys:
brettygood.com/

What's everyone predicting? I think its going to be a huge shitshow tbh.

I think that's the general consensus. It'll have a decent budget and okay actors but be full of pozzed shit and the constant changes in writing and directing will make it pretty incoherent.

Jesus Christ this is bad.

First episode and the sheboon knocks out her commanding officer and tries to take over. Asking for this much suspension of disbelief is a stretch.

DOCTOR BAMBOOOOOO

Klingons are confirmed Drumpfkins with cumskin leader.

Do any gayliens show up in the first episode?

"You were never one to bolster my self esteem"
"Of course not, you are black, and a woman."

HOW DID THEY SNEAK THAT PAST?

Does the female lead say "awww hell naw" at any point?

Not yet. It is a human called Michael that has been brought up to think like a Vulcan.

So The Orville wins?

they actually did it.

Fuck the Orville, both the show that immediately followed it (NCIS LA) and reruns of any old Sci-Fi shit like Space 1999 and Quatermass would rape it to death. This made the Nemesis film look good.

This is a show about SPACE so we better make it look like OLD PAPER

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What will they think of it?

Breaking new ground and making Star Trek amazing for current year.

So she's a space weaboo?

Jay doesn't give a shit about sci-fi and will go along with any conclusion. Mike and Rich are so thirsty for Star Trek they'll watch every episode, admit to the issues, and do everything possible to mitigate the flaws and give it a weak pass while offering ideas for improvements. Expect to hear a lot of "X was bad, BUT".

I have nothing to say about this.

No chances of this making past a season 1. Looks like some low budget shit, at least some of the older Star Trek shows look alright. This shit uses too many cgi effects that are already dated.

Not that bad, tbh

Not bad. The heroes were all white men. Commander Eggroll and Captain WeWuzVulcanz fucked everything up.

inspired by true events

They bravely suicide-bombed the Klingon jihadi cruiser.

Sarek reports a new star in the sky implying the Klingon ship is that star. Vulcan is at least more than 6 light years away.

The star trek knows about FTL travel, it would make sense that there are probes and sensors that can communicate faster than light as well.

Communism and entertainment never mixed very well. I don't think the markets will ever correct because western society is in too deep.

I'm not signing up for your streaming service, Isaac.

Neither am I, Eichmann. I watched it without paying, like any intelligent person.

This is a capitalist enterprise, though. Like everything else around us.

Didn't watch, and won't watch. I see the shills are out trying to claim it was good.

The JJ movies were better, way better.

This isn't Star Trek, it's Space Wars.

Yes, but the Orville is also bad so the solution is to watch neither.

It seems like a comical overreaction to all the complaints from the hack writers that worked on Star Trek who were mad about not being able to write interpersonal conflict between the characters because of Roddenberry's utopia idea.

Roddenberry was right though. It only amounts to meaningless petty conflict.

Having watched NuBSG where they took interpersonal conflict to the ridiculous I can see his point - the rule forced the crew to deal with external threats, which on a science fiction show means science fiction threats, which is a good thing.

I think the right balance is something like DS9 achieved. People popped off at each other but at the end of the day they were all the same team.

Nice quads Mr. Bond.

I can't see how Michael Sue could possibly be in the right here but somehow they're going to vindicate her. Honestly she seems fucking insane.

Loved it!

No, DS9 is just a more restrained version of nuBSG especially since Ronald Moore worked on the show. Petty interpersonal drama just turns a show into a soap opera.

Interpersonal drama can be done right though, Babylon 5 had that and it was amazing storywise.

STD has broken new ground with the first psychotic lead in a Star Trek show, bravo!

Voyager already exists

lol

I guess next week there will be a second pilot and this awful show will get started for real.

I miss 90's sci fi

Yeah, but it was mostly inter-species and part of larger events that were taking place. Still, Babylon 5 had no right to be as good as it was considering the cuck that wrote it.

I wonder what SFDebris would think of STD.

Not forgetting this is meant to be a military ship and striking your commanding officer should equal a trip to the brig and a painful court martial.
Hence I assume a professional member of the military would avoid doing such a thing.

Good point. In Babylon 5 the members of the human military never actually attacked each other openly until very late into the plot when Babylon 5 declared independence, and at that point it was a full-on war.

Is it just me or is this piece of crap not even worth shitposting over? It was like an hour of Neverending Story-tier "Nothing". There was something that was supposed to go into that time slot, but it was devoid of any actual content. I haven't really seen anything quite like it before…I've seen lots of outright trash and this is certainly bad but there's also no substance. It's like it's some kind of marsh gas figment.

I'm just waiting for the inevitable WE WUZ moment, or for them to start shitting on the hwite captain as hard as they can while the negro Mary Sue pulls shit out of her ass.

She's the product of enrollment in Sarek and Amanda's adopt an urban youth program.

She's the kind of Mary Sue the Star Trek fans used to joke about decades ago, now it's the main character of a multi-million project.

I was disappointed that it wasn't as bad as I was hoping for. It about what I would expect to see if I turned on SyFy at any random time. All they did was drop some vague exposition and establish the main character to be a piece of garbage. Hopefully the true shit will come when Sass Queen's inspiring feminine blackness allows her to BTFO everyone for no reason.

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So did they really tease the first Asian captain and then kill her by episode two?

Bravo CBS

This. I was expecting a trainwreck and what I got instead was JJ Abrams-tier tolerable nuTrek.

TAKE A KNEE, GOYS

BONUS TIP
Play up the fact that the Asian who is finally given a position of authority was killed off instantly. It's pretty effective.

Is this a GoT meme?

Literally taking a knee to Trump

JJ's Star Trek movies were basically better Star Wars flicks than the Force Awakens was

GoT has zero pop culture relevance what do you think

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Yes.

Berman, like Lucas, did nothing wrong.

Yet? I always liked him and I was sad to see Enterprise cancelled, it was the best ST show.

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Man, even though Star Trek was always marxist propaganda, at least it had some lewd things like these going on. Even back on Voyager which had a female lead only managed to survive after sticking Seven of Nine in it. STD can't and won't have any of that and will surely die because of it.

Come to think of it, she's to blame for this timeline.
suindependent.com/jeri-ryan-got-barack-obama-elected-2/

I have a new appreciation for Star Trek Voyager.

It wasn't actually that bad. It just felt like a fan film. Shallow, lacking in personality, a focus on showing "cool shit", poor acting. Not much to say about it.

A 90 minutes prologue for another show and to explain to us that the female lead is a lunatic who was mentally abused by Vulcans.

The most distressing part for me was the preview for the upcoming season.

When I heard that the protagonist was going to be a First Officer and that the Captain was going to die in the pilot, it seemed fairly obvious that this basically made the protagonist a Captain, even if only Acting. But after the pilot she's already been stripped of her rank and sent to prison, and in the preview all we see are shooting guns, fucking knife fighting, edge of your seat escapes, and fuckall of the two things that made Star Trek different to other generic action Sci Fi: ethical dilemmas and xenoanthropology.

The hilarious part is that the protagonist is a xenoanthropologist. What even was the point?

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Nah, we already had a first Asian captain a while ago.

As likely as not she'll be out of prison and commanding a ship within three episodes regardless.

If it were a free market capitalist enterprise then the markets would adjust accordingly based on consumer reaction. The Jews won't stop the propaganda no matter how much money they lose. I mean this fucking show was cancelled before it even started, but will Hollywood adjust next time? No, they'll cram MORE diversity and poz themes into it.

Sulu show when.

does not compute

Noone cares about Sulu.

Sulu is the star of the show.
Other guys just along for the ride.

Free markets result in cartels and oligopolies. That's why we have the economic-political landscape that we do.

the asian guy playing a homo is the most forced shit ever, you can see his discomfort in his face lmao

what the fuck did i just watch? this looks like a ripoff of the westworld intro. why was there no classic music except the dun dun duuun bit? for fuck's sake, i'm not sure i even want to stream this shit.

But I think there's another captain, a white male. He's in the preview. Maybe she goes back to being First Officer?

Speculating is like trying to guess the answer to a JJ mystery box.

I just wish that it was episodic to some extent is all. Even when ENT had its fully serialised third season we still had a basic episodic structure with great ethics-based episodes such as clone Trip and stealing warp components off of innocent bystanders. We also got to explore a new unique culture (the Xindi).

With this, it seems so heavily serialised that no episode will ever stand on its own. The weight of the entire series will now drag down any episode that tries to put its head above water. I think, above all, this is its worst mistake, because there can be no hidden gems. Watching will certainly be a slog.

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I like ENT's multi-part episode fourth season structure the best.

Yeah, but that's what happens.
Chars are introduced as the captain and her second doing everything alone (what's the fucking point to have a crew? I guess they don't have to pay more than 6 actors). Lead is introduced to have been traumatized by Klingons before the Klingons actually attack (I'm surprised nobody cached that, they've managed to retcon the back story of the lead in literally two episodes), before being mind raped by a Vulcan.
Lead magically kill a Klingon warrior trying to fire up the beacon with grrrriiilll power (and in violation of starfleet protocol since she can just back off), come off fucking unhinged but the captain still trust her, somewhat, even if she just admitted to kill someone belonging to a race known to be taking this shit seriously possibly for no reason. Convince the captain to lock on and power weapons on the beacon. Klingon mothership shows up. At which point they should de-escalate since basically every time they have listen to the second something terrible has happened. Can't convince the captain that she trust and respect as we've been establishing all along, to attack (the much bigger, better armed ship, using tech they don't even understand) first and start a galactic war so attempt and fail to take over the ship.
Spend the rest of the fight in the brig. Fleet shows up, Klingon fleet wipes them out, genius second brake out the brig, tell the captain (which anger at being literally assaulted and mutinied didn't last more than 1 scene) to capture the klingon leader not kill him (because if he's martyred then the war will really start)… so they go ahead with their initial plan to al quaeda a torpedo warhead (with a dead klingon instead of a drone), and the klingon leader specifically said he will attend to them. So he dies in the explosion at the funeral chambers and the ship suffer catastrophic damage.

Oh wait no.
So instead the captain and her second teleport on the massive klingon warship that has clearly, to find the leader and capture him.
Lucky for them since he read the script he's at the point of impact they teleported with only a few paper targets that might have look like klingon warriors. Rubber suit fights, Captain get impaled, second manage to get her phaser and capture the klingon leader as was her plan.

Oh wait no.
She shoot him in the back and kill him, assuring he's a martyr and starting a war.

Then cut and she's court martialled, she plead guilty and is sentenced to life imprisonment.

Basically it's the story of an angry/psycotic black women that want to start a war of extermination with the Klingons because they killed her family. And she succeeds.

Can't wait to see how they how they're gonna spin freeing her AND promoting her. /sarcasm.

HOT FLAMING GARBAGE

Roddenberry was the original SJW even back in the 60s when he insisted that there be an asian and a black woman on the same stage as Kirk, and the entire series was shilling space socialism. What the fuck are you anons on?

The difference is Star Trek was smart socialist propaganda, making the central theme of the show about a socialist utopia exploring the galaxy and the moral implications various situations would bring (and it's limitations).
It's not propaganda for the sake of propaganda, it's a proper Sci-Fi theme "how would an advanced society (in that case a socialist paradise) do X".
This is just WE WUZ STRONK WOMYNZ, typical SJW bullshit, it's marxist bots running amok without any substance or meaning past the slogans.

Except only DS9 only ever attempted to be smart about it and challenge the Federation and its core principles. The rest of the shows are just a leftist masturbatory fantasy where their Mary Sue civilization shows everyone else how dumb and bigoted they are, and how they should just embrace the pozz.

the new star trek series is praised by critics everywhere and has been a resounding success :')

pottery

>'Good' reviews by (((critics)))
Viewership will fall soon enough, people just tuning in to see the first episode. Wonder how badly the second episode will do.

Yeah but it's because in the setting 99% of the time the civilization/technology/philosophy of the federation IS superior to whatever backwater they go to spread the words of Saint Lenin.
Not because ONE crew member, even as BS some situations are, is a Soviet Ubermensch (which is an actual socialist trope BTW, mankind having advanced through socialism would be physically and intellectually perfect) that know everything better than anyone and can do everything…
I mean at one point the niggress literally shove the science officer to read the shit from his screen to do the science too! And they try to make a skit out it!
That's how terrible that stuff is.

I like how the summary is not representative of what we saw in the pilot.

I bet Federation prison is a doddle. Like one of those Swedish prisons.

I am sorry what? TFA was just A New Hope reboot with the current year in mind.

Ayyyydin is live streaming about the new trek.

I think she may play the episode and comment over it, she did it with The State (ISIS propaganda show from BBC)

You know for all that whacky talk about Marxists running the show, you are pretty much ignoring all the Neocon/interventionist undertones. Main characters literally advocates for a first strike because "violence is the only language their nature understands" after she violated some holy ground of foreigners - but it's okay because she is a black tomboy.

Its just your usual liberal propaganda promising Obamaism-Clintonism.

I watched a bit of this a couple of hours ago. Opened near the part where she called the main actress a dumb slut. Is she our girl?

So naming the new Star Trek STD is a homage to the little fag asian man?

Its ok because the Klingons are evil Trump supporters.

The nu-Klingons seem more like crazy Muslim radicals than anything. I wonder how much last minute changes were made to the nu-Klingons after Trump won the election.

I remember the appeal of the old Star Trek when they were showing a fictional space communist society, focused on ethical dilemmas, new technology and conveniences, and human-alien relations. It was fun to watch because it exactly didn't make a social critique of our day, it merely showed what could be.

Nowadays every fucking TV show has to be a liberal circlejerk trying to reflect on contemporary "issues", but it's so done so dumb and arbitrary that it is just tedious to watch. It's like when a really annoying teacher tells you that you have to be nice to that one psychotic child in class. When I watch entertainment, I have no problem with social critiques and parabels, but I don't want to be fucking preached to. And I fucking bet these hacks who keep coming up with these tropes probably think they're "clever" "deep" or explore "human nature".

Klingons were always a bit Sorelian with a bit of a racial attitude, I remember the monolog Kruge had after discovering the Genuss Project in Star Trek III. However, turning them into ISIS is something new. They also talk like reatrded children, the old Klingons were often warrior poets being somewhat eloquent.

And what's up with the lack of braids? Klingons need to have long hair. Also no reason to discard of the old Klingons armor, it was fine.

I mean "Genesis" instead of "Genuss", German autocorrect strikes again

STD is a reboot in the Kelvin timeline because CBS could not license the old stuff that everyone liked. Now we have shit Klingons and the Europa blown up.

Its kinda baffling that leftists would even write evil Muslims as bad guys since they consider it a lesser evil than Trump. If they really intended Trump supporters to be the bad guys, they are failing hard in depicting them

But they do engage in martyrdom culture just like ISIS does.

Pro antifa message in first episode:

You reached so much for that one I think you touched my balls.

But it's not in the Kelvin timeline.

So its in the original timeline? That makes it even worse.

No. There's now three timelines.
Prime (1960s-2016): William Shatner and Patrick Steward Trek.
Kelvin: Chris Pine/JJ Abrams Trek.
Prime (2017): STD Trek.

They took the label of "Prime" from the old time line and slapped it on this new one. If you think that's a problem then there's a non-zero chance that Sarek deletes the Shatner Timeline at some point in the near future or something in this new show. Don't worry though since even if that plot is scrapped due to the mid-season re-tapings then there's still plenty of retarded shit that will happen that noone will ever get to see because the series is behind a fucking paywall.

The producers already said the Klingons are a standin for Trump supporters. Stop being a dumb kike.

From Wikipedia. Unless you're simply saying that we're going to pretend STD doesn't exist.

They aren't even on the Discovery yet, the first 2 episodes were pointless.

They said that, but their depiction so far doesn't really bear that out. Stop being a professional victim.

It's what leftists see Trump supporters as. It doesn't need to coincide with reality, since leftists are already unhinged.

I did get that vibe from some of the lines. "We're Starfleet. We don't act like this". Felt like a struggle to justify Antifa.

This. If the writers really wanted to talk about subjects like isolationism and/or racial issues then they would've picked the vulcans or the romulans. Since they don't know Star Trek, they thought that "the klingons are ugly and menacing so let's make them the bad guys".
It would be interesting to know what Fuller really had in mind before they had to rewrite his script. I mean when you have a starship called Europa with a white man as the captain and the ship gets destroyed by brown alien who speak in an foreign language… I doubt that they were supposed to be Trump supporters.

Or maybe the Cardassians. The actual Nazi Germany of Star Trek.

She names the jew at least twice per video, so I guess she is.

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This is the most accurate interpretation, screenrant put together a good article to support this theory.

screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-prime-kevin-timeline/

It's even more funny since the Klingons were chink/Soviet expies in the original ST.

They don't want to give the audience someone to cheer for.

A plot about maintaining cultural integrity and tradition and being distrustful of the UFP would work for just about every species on Star Trek. Or even a story about a member of the Federation attempting to secede. That's too morally ambiguous though, so instead we get the most famous Trek baddies murdering anyone who attempts to communicate or reason with them.

What has leaked out in the past from people who actually have industry skin has been the "three timeline" version posted in . Also just before the show aired CBS news programs called it a reboot, and who am I to argue with the people making it that it is in fact another reboot?

Really? That's up from the 6m/per that I heard earlier. That means that if Netflix financed this all, then they spent at least 120 million on this POS, and they didn't even get domestic rights. They got fucked like a Tijuana whore in a bukake video.

Klingon is namedropped more than the other ayys whenever people who don't know Star Trek talk about it, since these are the same people writing this it isn't surprised they're being used as big bads.

Enjoy two black guys pretending to enjoy THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE!!!1

PAH'KLAH!

I guess we finally have a Star Trek show worse than Voyager now.

You know, people used to have long discussions about which season of Star Trek was the worse, was it Voyager or Enterprise. And Discovery kind of killed that discussion.

I can forgive the first episode of many shows for having some exposition if there's enough going on to keep me interested but god damn did everything feel forced.

Why couldn't they have done an "Encounter at Fairpoint" style episode without the omnipotent aliens part, or even something like "Caretaker?" At least then you would have some proper context for who everybody is and the relationships between them. The episode was pretty bad especially with that cliffhanger.

It was obvious that Enterprise was the better one anyway. I'd even argue it was better than TNG and DS9.

Is the sheboon a tranny? Serious question. Also, does she have a bbc?

Probably because Archer is a fukkin' boss

But more seriously, Bacula played the part perfectly - and he actually has a character arc that spans multiple seasons. Remember the episode after the Xindi arc? Dude was bitter and jaded as fuck; going out in the name of peace, getting shit on by almost every race. getting caught in a temporal war, and Space 9/11. Thank god the rock-climbing poon tang was so good. Kinda snapped him out of it. But he definitely grew as a character, and as a captain.

One more thing that was cool about Enterprise was the militarization of the ship. Starfleet originally thought they could get away with just tactical officers, but after getting shit on over and over by violent aliens they knew it would be good to have a trained military unit on board. Watching Archer grapple with that, and then coming to respect the unit, and the clear advantage of having a commando unit on your ship, was cool. The show even got around Prime Directive questions by having it set pre-Federation, which was a cool trick.

Enterprise had a lot of bad episodes, and it took time to get its footing, but I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets.

I liked Archer a lot. He started out green and fairly naive and then grew when faced with adversity. He was much less smug than the other captains and the moments when he got the upper hand it always felt earned. I especially enjoyed the evolution of his relationship with Shran.

Honestly I found even the bad episodes of Enterprise enjoyable, much like the ones of TOS. My only real criticism is that the time travel stuff kind of wasted the theme of pioneering.

How soon until "Trekkies don't need to be your audience"?

I like the first season episode where they spend the entire time mapping a comet, answer school children's letters, and having a awkward with an interested Vulcan captain. It seems exactly what space explorers would do, get excited over the first big shiny rock they find.

ENT is on the same tier as the other Treks, Voyager is definitely the one that has too many crappy episodes and has to be considered the worst until STD. Like you say, only the time travel episodes of ENT were really bad, and they gradually faded as the series went on. Shame that it only got 4 seasons considering its increase in quality.

Kirk will make an appearance and BLM'nesha will put his h'white ass in his place.

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She is black, having a fucked up name is expected to be the default.

Honestly! Do they really believe that niggers, spics and muzzies are gonna be able to achieve space travel in white-less future!? They'll be lucky to be able to get a toilet to work let alone a starship!

If it wouldn't have been cancelled I have no doubt ENT would have become even better. Real shame.

Anyway, I think STD really puts Voyager into perspective. Sure it had a bunch of truly awfully written episodes but when put next to the new show it really seems a lot better. It was actually thematically Star Trek, they were exploring and it had the right tone. The characters are also a highlight, the doctor and seven of nine are fun. Kim can actually speak proper english.

Interesting. I heard a rumor they're going to use some trans-dimensional thing to make it fit in the old universe or something?

Yeah.

I've been rewatching some VOY. and while hack frauds would say that it is irredeemable and lacking a coherent theme, I say go fuck yourself.

I've said it before, and I say it again: 7 of 9 ruined that show. The introduction of the Borg completely wrecked Janeway's character. Everything the show had built over three seasons was destroyed and was replaced by an erratic and irrational CO. Season 3 of VOY was solid. There are fantastic episodes that reveal the larger intent of the writers to create multi-season character growth. But they threw it away.

Yeah tits get the ratings. But I've already seen these "how to be a human" episodes, with Brent Spiner in whiteface. And Janeway treats the rehabilitation of a single Borg as the highest priority, at the cost of her character and integrity. Remember the episode where 7 COMMITTED MUTINY but it was handwaved because "oh silly borg you so silly and demons from fluidic space that we've established as intelligent and perhaps open to diplomacy (Chacotay almost boned one) should be killed on site." FUCKED. After Kess leaves and 7 becomes a greater focus - now I don't wanna get this wrong, I love them titties, Jeri Ryan is a national treasure - Janeway loses coherence. The writers obviously wanted to snuggle with Ms. Ryan, and the cost was Janeway. You can actually see Kate Mulgrew (whatever you may think about her as an actor or human bean) struggling with her lines and in some scenes she is patently unhappy.

Why would you have a series about POZZED DIVERSITY and exploration and then introduce a Mary Sue poor-mans-with-vagina-Data? Because the writers were sad nerds who wanted to smell Jeri Ryan's panties. Do yourself a favor and watch the second half of season three of VOY. Great episodes, feels like the show is getting its footing (as is tradition with Trek - it takes at least 2 seasons to reach the storytelling sweet-spot) and there are even moments that even make you think that Harry-fukkin-Kim will grow as a character. BUT OH NO, all of Kim's character growth is throw away and he reverts to a one-dimensional perennial Charlie Brown Asian Chicken Bitch. It's fucking tragic.

Hack frauds get wrecked. STD is Kelvin trash. The Orville is helmed by a man who actually cares about Trek, and the preservation of optimistic future space stories. Episode 4 was amazing, an excellent homage to TOS - the idea of a doomed generation ship filled with passengers who have forgotten their origins: classic sci-fi. Bavo McFarlane, you've saved Trek.That's a sentence I never thought I'd type.

If Jeri Ryan had just shut the fuck up and done those strippers like her pervert husband had wanted, we wouldn’t have had Obama, and probably liberals wouldn’t have gotten so emboldened as to put shit like Discovery on TV.

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fuck

Truly we live in great times

I hate VOY but have seen it 4 times and I agree with you. Season 3 was pretty fucking good, but they threw it away to throw tits in. You've got it right, sure Jeri Ryan and 7 are great, but the focus of the show changes. The characters become undone, particularly Janeway and the Doctor, and without a sensible Captain the show falls apart.

It's especially tragic when you think about Kess's character.

The Ocampa are a short lived species and part of the underlying appeal of early VOY was the prospect of watching a vaguely alien pixie farie age and die. Just imagine that - watching Kess age and mature, and eventually, die in the company of her friends and ship-mates. Amazing.

What do we get instead - Fury? Fuck that. Kess was just starting to harness her telepathic powers, imagine a counselor Troi with actual skillz. It would have BEEN AMAZING.

yeh I haven't watched this trash and I think I won't bother.

Explain.

Yeah but to be fair the stupid love triangle bullshit with Kes came about before 7 came in.

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True. And the Kes and Neelix breaking up episode was horrible.

Are you the police?

Just coz STD managed to up the retard ante doesn't excuse the trainwrecks of Voy & ENT.
It doesn't matter what level of trash it is, it still tastes the same.

Dude, you're talking about Star Trek.
It's Trash.
Sci Fi is either trash or pretentious dreck.
Unless you're actively going to community theatre presentations of Marlowe you can get fucked.

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Enterprise started merely mediocre and improved steadily with each season, last season was easily better than DS9, 5th season was shaping up to be downright good from what we know.

I haven't seen enough of Voyager to judge the apologism here, but it's remotely possible the show could've been fixed (for instance, the Delphic Arc of Enterprise feels suspiciously like "Voyager done right" in concept).

ENT was no trainwreck. ENT is good almost from the start, and becomes great. VOY starts off mediocre, starts becoming alright, then turns to shit. STD is 100% shit based on available evidence.

As if Janeway wasn't cutting sick deals with weapons dealers on the side.

< photon torpedos

< started so bad it was strangled in the cradle

Ugh, I dunno man. That first season was rough. The story-lines had coherence but watching it feels like witnessing a struggle between the writers and producers. It's obvious that the producers wanted the sex appeal and action shots, but the "old hands" wanted a more chaste "we're all highly trained professionals making first contact with potentially dangerous aliens."

For serious dude? We know that there are multiple species in the Delta Quadrant that have vastly superior levels of technology compared to the Federation.

We see Janeway buying weapons in an episode, and the deal only goes sideways because the weaponsdealer rapes 7's nanoprobes. There is every reason to believe that Janeway made a regular habit of visiting weapons dealers who had the ability to acquire photon torpedoes or their equivalent

Yeah there was a bit of a "struggle", as you put it, but there are still some gems and even at its lowest points it's not even that low.

He didn't, that was the whole point of the episode, that false rape accusations are bad and that there should always be due process.

Enterprise was better than DS9 and TNG.

< while Janeway swears blind she will never trade Federation tech
Ironically enough such logic would fit Voyager

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rmyt

You're right. But I thought I remembered there being ambiguity about it. But the moral of the story was that false rape accusations fuck you up and everyone will automatically believe them.
That's why I masturbate and watch Star Trek all day.

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jdimsa

Alien 3 was the best in the series, Aliens was the worst. Spiderman 3 was pretty good. The prequels are better than the OT. Dune was great. John Carter is the best adventure film we have gotten in years. Prometheus was kino. Terminator 3 was just as good as Terminator 2. Lexx was Farscape done right. GoT is trash and LotR is white kino.

This isn't bait but the truth.

Tell me true. Was it just hamfisted acting, shallow dialogue, desecration of cannon, questionable cinematography. and complete abandonment of any semblance of science fiction storytelling? Or was it just derivative bullshit?

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Star trek envisioned a future where resources were unlimited so that socialism could actually work.
It depicted a universe where humanity had united culturally and instead the main differences were between humans and aliens.

In the star trek universe, there is no sexism but there is no feminism either. They have moved completely past the issue. Janeway was a peer with the men in starfleet. She wasnt one of these modern female leads who are continually pushing feminism. In star trek Feminism would have been something from ancient history.

Right wing people still enjoyed it because its FICTION. They didnt get angry about a story from an imaginary futuristic universe that is far removed from our own.
Now in star trek diversity its all about clumsily shoehorning issues from today in to a universe where such issues would not exist.

I was watching some (((Ben Shapiro))) thing and he was talking about how the left has won the culture war and the right has won the politics war.
This certainly ties in with that. We see forced leftist themes in every type of media. its all they have left. In politics and the real world the right wing people are now in charge.

It's really a shame things ran out when they did:
retrophaseshift.com/2014/07/29/what-could-have-been-enterprise-season-5/

That's really neat. I must been one of like twelve people who didn't mind the intro music we got but that was better tbh.

I've not seen Cleopatra yet but it seems fun.

It's grown on me but it's still by far the worst. I actually hate when they tried to 'soften' it in s3 by toning it down, it sort of ruins the song while still having it. Worst of both worlds really.

It's sad that he was a yes-man for all those years, it's only on ENT that he finally got some freedom.
It's also a shame that they got rid of Ron Jones during TNG, he was clearly the best.

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Any goal! Any goal, you fucks. That's what the lyric should be. You just made it star because it's Star Trek, and it sounds like shit, you fucking hacks.

Jeri Ryan was married to the Senator from Illinois, Jack Ryan, the GOP incumbent. Around the time of Obama’s emergence on the national stage, the Ryans’ divorce records ‘mysteriously’ were leaked illegally and revealed he asked Jeri Ryan to perform sex acts with women among other things.

Jack Ryan cucked out and resigned when it was revealed, and Obama faced perennial loser Alan Keyes. He easily won the Senate seat.

This was the second incumbent Obama unseated without facing in an election. The first incumbent was a state rep who mysteriously didn’t get enough signatures to run against him.

Obama was the Chicago Machine candidate and they pulled out the stops to get him elected. After he won the primary they ‘suicided’ all the gay men who went to Rev. Wright’s church.

So Borg tits got Trump elected?

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Good catch.

STD lives up to it's abbreviation.

So by extension, Jeri Ryan's responsible for the lone gunman in Vegas targeting perceived Trump demographic voters.

I disagree, but I can respect this viewpoint.

Star Trek is about exploration and discovery. ENT feels like what traveling into deep space for the first time would feel like. I loved this.

Say what you want about the series, but I think ENT had the second best pilot episode. Broken Bow was excellent.

ENT was not a good show, but being able to binge watch something changes how enjoyable you can find the series over all. ENT's individual episodes leave much to be desired, but it has it's moments, when the casts' inept acting wasn't so glaring and the story gets a chance to captivate you, when it isnt a rehash or poorly executed fan service. That cast was the problem, the set design choices. trip's fucking accent and his homo security pal. Why does every other ST engineer need a fucking retard accent? O'brien was the only one who kept it low key.

It's usually bad when you sacrifice quality in the pursue of realism, because all you do at that point is appeal to autism. Rewatching bad shows can sometimes allow you to enjoy parts you didnt before, but that doesnt change the fact that it was bad to begin with. I went thru a similar thing rewatching voyager. I'm not who i was when i first watched it and i suspect we tend to avoid the bad parts of the pie so to speak, and enjoy it more.. but it's still a bad pie over all.

This. That's the sad reality we live in…

It's horrendous. One of the worst shows I've ever seen. It's not even worth illegally downloading.

I used to watch on it on TV, but just because I liked the show that came on after it: Jack of All Trades.

I tried watching the first episode tonight from a Kodi stream, it was mediocre rehashed sci-fi without enough sexual exploitation to make it worthwhile. I could see this premise working with tits and softcore dyking as a latenight adult feature but it sucks as a non-nude comedy series.

JJ Star Trek = Star Wars
STD Trek = Battlestar Galactica: Special Victims Unit
JJ Star Wars = Daytime TV straight to DVD sci fi.