This campaign is currently being promoted by the italian government, needless to say it caused quite a negative uproar.
Anyway, can I get those cool antinatalist memes that were posted here some time ago? I need to troll some normies on Facebook. Antinatalism general if you want.
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How very cryptofascist.
For real tho, what the fuck Italy
And a personal favourite of mine
IKR It's in terrible poor taste considering fascism in the 30s chose very similar slogans to promote natalism in Italy.
Pragmatists talk about it from a different angle, they say basically Italy is full of old people that the state needs to feed but not enough workers to get taxes from. So maybe it's not enough for accusing the government of fascism but it's still very fucking dreadful.
At least we have le ebin gender equality, both sexes are just childmaking machines for the states.
Also wtf the choice of all the images is so in poor taste that i waited 24hrs hoping that it was a very succesful troll. Really hope whoever came up with the whole campaing gets fired.
But let's talk about srs bzns, can i have those juicy anti natalist memes?
I think it is somewhat linked to ethno-statism even today, because countries with lots of immigration (ie the UK) don't have problems with an aging population. This kind of stuff is an idiotic kind of workaround (considering we need to reduce the population anyway) so that nations like Japan and Italy (now what do they have in common) don't need to have any immigrants.
Is LeftCom popular in Italy ?
Fucking disgusting. Breeder scum.
Damn. sucks that the Nazis did it first. I guess this means we can never have children again. fucking sinners.
More people is good, but it would also be cool to live on an earth with 500,000 people.
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Prove it
you are more people and you are good
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with 8 billion more people, there is a slight chance one of them will want to sleep with you.
Sex is overrated to begin with.
Why does Holla Forums get so worked up when a white european government encourages its white european population to breed more?
Huh really makes me think.
its because they're trying to tell people how to live their lives, you paranoid fuck
For a variety of reasons, the most popular one here is that people can't get a somewhat stable job until they're 30, and youìd have to be lucky.
Plenty of people here would like to have children but wouldn't know how to feed them. The government going "People, why don't you make more children?" feels like a mockery at this point.
Italy never truly or formally renounced fascism. In my opinion it's still a country with a lot of sympathy to fascism, and fascistic undertones.
There is nothing wrong with being a natalist. How else are you going to get more comrades? Overpopulation meme is a bourgeois ploy against the proleteriat revolution.
the only lifestyle that makes any sense
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Natalists are responsible for more unnecessary suffering and deaths than any other subset of humanity. Fact.
I honestly can't see anything wrong with this, why y'all so mad
thx really needed that one and google was being a bitch
so just because more people are born = more people die, it does not mean all of those people will contribute to suffering more
To exist is to suffer. That is inherently what it means.
Humans are literally not capable of not suffering.
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it means that they will suffer, and suffering is inherently bad, and therefore according to negative utilitarianism procreation would be wrong.
explain this suffering = bad meme to me
It isn't a meme, there is no planet B user. If you really want humans to survive as a spicies, then you must encourage people to make less kids. Also :
its a tenant of negative utilitarianism, and utilitarianism in general. Happiness is seen as the ultimate good, and suffering is consequently something to be avoided in order for ones choices to be moral.
But you must suffer from time to time to feel happiness again, don't you? Even in the best state possible where you had everything you ever wanted and needed, you will keep suffering, at least because you might feel boredom or hit your toe on a table. Non-existence does not result in happiness. If you don't exist, you don't exist.
If you don't exist, you can't lack happiness.
Thats why I say negative utilitarianism. It differs from ordinary utilitarianism in that instead of defining happiness as an inherent good, it stipulates that suffering is an inherent evil.
but why? what if I'm a masochist who loves to suffer?
I wouldn't call it true suffering if you're enjoying it. It might be pain, but it isn't suffering.
Mars colonization.
It looks like euphemized, passive-aggressive fascist propaganda plastered over the cheapest brand of stock corporate images.
Is it actually possible? Did someone do the maths? I fear that Mars doesn't hold a lot of useful resources.
It's the red planet. Of course we're going to colonize mars.
But if we terraform it it will go green
Capitalism is not nearly the most efficient mode of production. Limits of overpopulation under capitalism might be lower than limit of overpopulation under socialism or even communism.
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The greatest risk of postponing maternity is that the older you are when you have a baby the bigger the chance your kid will gonna have problems like autism and the like. That's why there's a big pedo scare going on in america right now and why there's so many americans being born retarded, some people think it has to do with vaccines but the true is that people are having kids too late. The bourgeois want the proles to have retarded kids so they push for stupid things like treating teenagers as if they were little kids and couldn't engage in sex.
You have the data to back this up?
it is pretty much an universally agreed fact that older mothers have higher chances of children with genetic malformations, such as Down's syndrome. Look it up.
Unless you're talking about people having kids in their 70s and 80s I don't actually have any experience with this. Scientific studies might exist that show some sort of standard, but I've heard this argument from people in their teens talking about if they don't have children before they're 30 it's too late and yet I know plenty of couples who had at least half their children after they were far into their 30s.
There seems to be some desynch between the fears being implemented in the people, and the people just going about their business. The majority of the families I know didn't start to "produce" children until age 25+, and many of them continued on towards 40-50. The minority of people I know with major defects either in their own bodies or their children had them at the preferred age. I realize this is anecdotal, but what I'm trying to say is that most people don't give a fuck about the "preferred age before it's too late" unless they've never had a child to begin with. It's a fear instilled in people, and it makes little sense.
Once you interact with a couple who've had at least one child, they never bring up shit like that. Only single people, and couples who had not had a child yet (not that I think that's a bad thing), keep bringing up things like needing to breed as fast as possible. Most "Normal" families after having at least one kid, never fucking do.
But is this the source of all the autism we see?
In fact, does it happen enough times at the age range most mothers have kids?
Absolutely DISGUSTING.
How do you reconcile anti-natalism with how pro-family the faith is?
What's up with that picture? Are you an ant?
I do not understand this question
Read Ecclesiastes. It's based.
Post bigger pictures faggot
Tell that to the Africans comrade
oh, okay comrade.
If you really want humans to survive as a species, I have bad news for you.
Is this what it feels like to be Stirner?
It's not because of "muh destroy the wyatt race", It's criticisms of Natalism.
Read some shits before you open your stupid mouth, faggot cunt.
Also
Take a drink!
Read schopenhauer faggot
"I can't get involved, man, I've got a family to protect!"
Hi Rebel
I will never understand you. Don't read the manga.
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You don't need to channel your hate of not being able to be a cute little girl into being an anti-natalist, rebel.
kek, nice
is that OC?
I'm unsure if autism is genetic or entirely genetic. Seems to me we are talking about children who had a psychotic break at a young age (unprotected on a bodily level against the logic of the signifier and hence the automatisms), limiting the scope of their further development to overcoming the break, and reaching stable psychosis.
pleb
This, however, is factual.
oh, rebel, honey
logic isn't one of your stronger qualities, but we've been over this already
Breeder scum should be killed
gay faggot tranny detected
Natalists on suicide watch.
I dont like incest between adoptive parents and their kids.
more europeans…definitely good.
more blacks. not really.
euros not only have a stable population, but they are also the only ones that give a crap about environment and sustainability.
blacks have an exploding population and are the pride inhabitants of some of the most polluted cities in the world, and will be likely responsible for the extinction of several endangered species in the next decades.
you know it's not poverty the reason why subsaharan africans are like that.
there were very little left in italy after WW2, with people actually starving and with areas with 90+% illiteracy.
there were tens of millions of dead by starvation during the great famine in china. at the same time africa was pretty much self reliant when it came to food production.
look at italy and china now. look at africa now.
it's not poverty.
shitty cultures have shitty fruits.
so… more europeans,good, more africans, bad.
prove me wrong.
also the campaing in the op just stated the truth.
as you age, your fertility decreases. that's a fact.
when did truth become a bad thing?
*campaign
why would y'all be antinatalism
without babies we have nothing
yeah I'm a natalist but shaming women isn't how you do it
No humans is better for the environment.
Who gives a shit about the environment?
I care about people being happy, free, and prosperous. Communities can't exist if birthrates plummet.
I don`t see any issue with this. Women need to face the reality that unless they want to give a birth to retard they need to start their families at younger age.
How's nothing not better than anything?
It's hard enough being a cute boy, don't wanna be a cute girl
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Does Holla Forums always come and raid this board, or is it just a "Fascism Friday" thing?
The point is to not give birth at all you faggot.
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Think of all the fun us 500000 people could have. We could drive around all day long without worrying about harming the environment.
Holla Forumsluters couldn't care less about the underlying problems.
that's why they're rightists. the right wing has rarely cared about underlying problems. I noticed this while looking at even Malthus.
Man I didn't think anything would be more pretentious and weebish than Lain poster but Angel's Egg poster really takes the cake
F-fuck you too Italy
Communities cant exist is the environment is fucked either
Pretentious because opinions over sex and musical preference aren't shared?
Can you be more clear?
The UK absolutely has a problem with an ageing population and mass migration IS NOT helping. With that flag surely you know this? All of western Europe has a problem of ageing population, all are trying to solve it through mass migration and the issues in these countries are all the same.
Clearly, the UK does not have the same issues that Japan does. Obviously there are issues with employment in the UK and there are, frankly, too many older people working, but just look at the graph. It's conceivable that we would be in the same situation now that Japan is if we hadn't encouraged immigration from the post-war period to now.
i don't see anything wrong with this.
sure, porkies are pushing for it
but its still better than importing 3rd worlders who'll never be socially accepted and will have to deal with racist bs.
this is one of the thing i never understood about them.
why the fuck would you want to live in a country where people hate you ?!
how can people hate babies wtf
this is some edgy nrx shit
kys
or just made public policies encouraging people to fuck (paid maternity leave is sweet).
The West as a place of tolerance and enlightenment is still a strong meme.
Job opportunities that they could've never had elsewhere is the main reason though. Global Division of Labour
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Antinatalism isn't about hating anything.
Why encourage overpopulation though. Third world people exist anyway and the third world has a problem with too many young people, it only makes sense from a global perspective for some of them to move to countries with falling native birthrates.
Antinatalists love babies more than anything because they want to prevent them from suffering.
because people aren't commodities. You can't just import them when your production is low.
So are they like capital then?
But much like commodities, you can't produce them endlessly without destroying the planet.
It just makes sense to encourage immigration from too-low age areas to too-high age areas while birthrates stabilise for both, any other solution is just dumb.
overpopulation is a rightwing reactionary meme.
this
If a single human is alive, then that's one too many.
It's literally super basic shit, do you really need me to spell out the damage we've done to the planet and all the resources we're running out of? The next century is going to be fucking bad.
The number of person earth can sustain can widely vary according to the economic system in place tho.
Except the damage done has nothing to do the "planet" and the resources we are "running out of" are due to Capital and has nothing to do with population size, something that could be sustainable even tripled in a different economic system.
If no pain is good, how is no pleasure not bad?
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His little trick is that he abolishes the very choice that matrix is about with "the babby in question."
We've been causing max extinctions since we were hunter gatherers. Industrialization only increased our ability to kill everything around us.
You can't long for something you've never had.
I don't see any problems with these. Nature killed off way more species than we can ever hope to achieve.
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Everything you're talking about is an entirely relative scenario, and that's why it's reactionary right wing. It presumes that things will stay the same and suggests that there are too many people, given the current state of affairs were to continue. Seeing as that doesn't happen though, it's not really true.
This, Africa has a fifth of the world's landmass and people are freaking out over minor population booms. The social ills derived from population growth in developing nations lie mostly on how dense major cities get due to neoliberalism and lack of planning.