Homosexuality as "innate" in gay rights debates

The definition of mental disorder is a behavioral pattern that causes suffering or a poor ability to function in life, there is no such thing as a benign mental disorder, that would be called a personality trait.

Homosexuality does not cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101504/
Boy, is it hard to define what is a mental disorder. I personally consider homosexuality to be a mental disorder since attraction derives from a desire to reproduce, and being attracted by someone that you cannot reproduce with is pointless.
But that's up for debate and depends on what's the definition yer using.
I specially like the DSM-IV definition: Whatever its original cause, it must currently be considered a manifestation of a behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. Neither deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) nor conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.

They're going down the route of "homosexuality is a mental disorder" then pull out real fast, it's hilarious.

Everybody can choose the relationships they engage in (as much as they can choose anything in life, let's not make this a thread about Determinism). People chose to be in sexual ones with members of their gender because it makes them happy even where they can be killed for it (granted its very hard to get caught). People do lots of things that make them disliked (drugs, smoking, listening to ICP, etc.) because they like to.

It's actually capitalist alienation.

It may depend on the environment to some extent if we use that definition; being homosexual in Pakistan typically leads to…bad events happening.

Although indeed many disorders find no positive results in any environment, which would be when intervention is necessary.

Quite so, but what makes the same sex please them as such instead of the opposite sex?

If it's not inate then it's just a fetish. A fetish that can be cured. At least I think that's the logic behind it. You have to remember being gay was once considered a mental illness.

Most of the objection about homosexuals in the US is from the religious. If you can argue that it's innate then you can argue it's within gods will. Now when it comes to marriage rights, that also is a religious thing to Christians because they stupidly think Christianity has a monopoly on marriage. If you can argue its okay by the Christian God you can argue its okay for them to have other rights others do. This isnt the most effective approach though but it does have its reasons.

If the point of sexual attraction is reproduction we're all very bad at it, one child is conceived for every 1000 copulations. Sex is mainly a social bonding thing among humans, one that very rarely leads to reproduction. Talking about the "point" of things is spooky as fuck. If the point of sex is reproduction is it's pointless to have sex with a woman not between 13 and 40, or a woman who is already pregnant, or a woman in a part of the month that the woman is infertile when the woman doesn't even know that she isn't. Not to mention oral, anal, and masturbation. By your standards almost all sex is pointless.

If it was a "fetish" they would be able to have sex with women too. Or is all sexuality a fetish? And is having a fetish wrong? Or is it only wrong if it harms society? Is pedo a fetish?

No it doesn't, it only leads to bad events happening if you get caught and that's rare. That's like saying doing coke in the US is a mental disorder because bad events could happen, when it's a minuscule risk.

I take the temperature and do urine tests of every woman I have sex with and only fuck them from 5 days before to 5 days after ovulation. Speak for yourself about all that pointless sex you're having.

I dunno, what makes people like pineapple on pizza?

*Shrugs*
Yer taking my definition of "mental disorder" too negatively. To give another example, men going for thin girls for all rights and purposes have mental disorders. Even if I'm on the list.

You have a very retarded definition of mental disorder to the point that it's a mental disorder.

I don't think sexual orientation is quite as fluid as favorite pizza topping, despite tumblr's screams to the contrary.

I remember reading something about the difference between USA and Europe about the vies on homosexuality a few years ago, wish i had kept it.
In the US, tying homosexuality to DNA, is a way of saying "not my fault" because USA is quite a religious country and homosexuality is a sin.
In Europe, tying homosexuality to DNA evoque WW2 and concentration camps for faggots. So they're more wary about this shit.

Looking at the world this objectively is sorta retarded and inefficient, but I like it.

mental disorder is whatever is going outside the norm of accepted behaviors. It has little to do with what cause thoses behaviors in the first place. According to some, terrorists are psycho.

The tumblrinas are liberals who think gender and sexuality are set in stone. That's why they fight for aromantic demisexual rights.

I always saw it as being like autism, you're born with it, it's not inherently bad, it's just the way your brain functions.
Meanwhile the tumblr "attack helicopter" (for lack of a better word) types are literally mentally ill. I feel bad for people born with these… Conditions? I guess, who have to deal with attention whoring retards making them look bad.

You should see what actual autistics think of Chris-chan and how his misadventures have informed the public.

i thought this meme died a long time ago

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Some_selected_species_and_groups

sause on pic?

Read lacan nigga

How naive!

ok we get it, you're gay

So, what species of virus, bacteria, amoeba or parasite causes homosexuality outbreaks in human populations?

I'd most probably had a bf if I was gay. Now, am doomed to be alone and only like women.

Speak for yourself, fucking around with multiple men or women has no appeal to me.

It occurs in nature, therefore it's natural, dumbfuck.

I don't think the "attack helicopters" kind are anything special, they're mostly attention-whoring teenagers who'll grow out of it.

shiggy

Homo rights are bourgeois tier. Working class people don't need them, it's all fabiracted so liberal democrats can focus on them over class struggle.

Those debates assume that every homosexual experienced exactly the same circumstances. There are many causes for homosexual attraction. Blaming it on genetics is 19th century pseudoscience that has been debunked everywhere except in the minds of progressives.

The Gay Agenda always reappropriates anything African-American as their own. At one point they demanded to be treated as a racial minority. Racism—and the LGBT-rights "community"—as reasons to protest are not as stringent in Europe than in the US.

Rights for homosexuals to be treated as equals (as in "who gives a fuck"), is needed, the borgy version is idpol vs idpol but ignoring idpol and resorting to some sort of passive "it's not needed because gulag for disorders", actually makes them needed.

If you meant it in the whole live and let live way, then sure, but if you meant it in the 'homo rights are borgy because homosexuality itself is borgy' then piss off.