As a feminist, I find anime fanservice p,roblematic

reddit is nothing but a bunch of animeiggers you go there

wow nice reddit meme reddit loves schopenhauer

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dude you are in leftypol
we are all Hegelians here

Stop enjoying things that don't benefit them. Feminists even want to ban sexbots before they're even built, simply because they feel threatened by the mere suggestion that a man might not want to interact with them if it wasn't for the possibility of sex.

if hegel were alive today he would post on reddit

Somehow I don't think they would be complaining if fujoshi controlled the medium.

It means "heterosexual men, stop finding women sexually attractive, because male heterosexual sexuality is disgusting".

anime ftw

Sure you do. I believe you. Totally.
What other manufactured sides do you want us to take in your borgy mentality of stupid?

All you want is a discussion about moral panic level of discourse, which every single time - without fail - chokes all economic discourse and amounts to nothing but a matter of "punishing the impure" ala the fucking church.

Piss off you capitalist scum.

What is up with SJWs/feminists and a desire to keep sexual erotocism strictly limited to pornography? Do they not understand that you can blend erotic/pornographic elements with non-erotic entertainment, as is done with fanservice in anime? What exactly is supposed to be wrong with that?

why can't everything be erotic? there's literally no reason not to

Everything is erotic to a degree.
If you really want to get into shit like fanservice, look at muscular ultra masculine males in anime. Or homoerotica. Does anyone make a big deal about that being fanservice? No. Does it play to sexually? Yes. 110%.

Capitalism and 'fake equality' feminism suck eachothers clits like no other concepts I've ever seen. It's a marriage made in hell.

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They believe that showing skin is somehow dehumanizing in itself and that people can't connect with sexy characters are some shit. Really it's all bullshit. They're just whining to stay relevant and get clicks. Pic related

Typically people making the argument of objectificiation on a vast scale confuse the idea of objectification (as in, treating someone like a non-sentient object) and *commodification*.

Even worse, matters that would exist even outside of a commodified state, are seen as solely existing due to its appearance as a commodity.

It's the same kind of shitsacks that would, even were capitalism completely gone - and all classes removed, and no one being exploited, still complain about someone drawing something pornographic.

It's religious zealotry.

Hegel is reddit tier

Top tier: my tastes
Reddit tier: your tastes

This is an objective fact.

Should I renounce all hollywood movies just because some of them are shit? Stop watching shit shows, idiot.

Also, don't watch shows you are not the target audience for. You don't complain how the cars movie is childish, because it is a childs movie. Similarly, don't complain when a show focussed on fan service male fantasy is about fan service and male fantasy. There is litterally nothing wrong with fanservice

Yes.

The only reason I hate fanservice is because it kills my suspension of disbelief.

They live was excellent though.

I dont get why so many other feminists have a problem with objectification. You always objectify the person(s) you sexually desire in some way or another. Because everyone does this, that is neither a discrimination of females or males. I can however fully understands why some people find fanservice annoying. Seeing that it is often used as a kind of placeholder to cover up plot holes etc. I dont think that regulating fanservice whould influence the equality of the sexes in any way comrade.

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you have to go back

That's pretty much all feminists. Objectification is a central part of feminist theory. You're better off abandoning the label feminist.

Seeing fictional women as fap material or just finding them pretty is not aknowledging the concept of Woman above yourself and that means you don't respect actul women.
Spooky.

Dont think thats excellent.

I dont think thats excellent either. Only because you desire someone that doesnt mean you see that person as lesser than you or deny that person respect.

Pretty much this.

What?

Wordfilter
porblematic
p.roblematic

That's anthropomorphizing and object, and letting your most basic primal functions to take over over a person that isn't there. Objectifying seems to make more sense when one person rape another, or kills them in certain ways. or both. Also, less porn increases the chance of rape so…

Also, after re-reading your post, you mean objectification is spoopy itself, or the concept?

Sauce?

not a feminist or a woman but i find excessive fanservice (especially how it's done in a lot of anime) really obnoxious and insulting

not sure why you "leftists" are so quick to defend the capitalist exploitation of the female form

The users of Holla Forums are still users of chan boards…
what do you expect?

2d boobs aren't real, not all works are political, there are a lot of frustrated young men who don't have any other outlet (and at least 2d porn doesn't exploit actual women), etc.

Thats not the right use of the word "exploitation". You can't exploit an abstract concept in the manner socialism uses exploitation.

Also, of course its shit when its there when it shouldn't be, but its just bad art. Good shows don't do fanservice and excessive shoehorned in fanservice in shows is just a natural result of the capitalist process of trying to get as much horny teens to pay them money.

They do it for girls too, the amount of female fanservice is very big, its just not as big in the west, so you and your sjw friends don't whine about it. And some are really good too, some girl fan service shows are very funny. Don't act like they "exploit le poor womyn". Capitalists take advantage of everything they can, and they are exploiting the artist. Non-existant characters dont get exploited, the people who draw them do. The exploitation in the anime industry is incredibly high.

Also, porn has little relation to capitalism. It existed before, and it will exist after.

Insulting? Insulting to whom? Fictional cartoon characters? What are you even on about.

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He means its insulting to him.

Yeah that multi-billion dollar industry has no relation to capitalism…

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India's rape epidemic, and it being linked to porn being banned there.

Also
youtube.com/watch?v=Ul_7AI6AdgY

5:21 + 7:12

This tbh.

Anime is consumerist, pandering, escapist crap. Sure all forms of media do this but anime takes it to a whole another level.

What do you think Ardono woukd have thought of anime?

The multibillion dollar industry is getting squashed by amateur productions right now.

Noone of this generation is paying for porn anymore.

Plz no.

Is this sexual objectification?

what the fuck did you think i meant? how is this not capitalist exploitation of the female form which is also exploitation of male heterosexuality? did you just want to bring up muhsjw again?

As femishit you need to shut the fuck up

yeah.

Except furries, but mostly to fund the production of new content. Mostly.

He's not that bad.

Only if it's real people encased in there.

Not in its current form, which is obviously (modern) capitalist…
The forms feudal Japan are also capitalist (if you take capitalism to be older than the industrial age)
You can of course provide other examples

Whoever made that is an idiot with no sense for reality. Typical leftist idiots.

You are calling us 'leftists' with quotation marks, yet you shame others for their sexuality and have the exact same end goal as social conservatives?

Prehistoric cave paintings and lewd fruit.

Id dis baid?

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/stasis-official-pornography-department-finally-exposed-801774.html

no one was exploiting anyone by drawing a curvy girl on a cave wall. you're disavowing sexuality from it's relationship to capitalism (which has been standard for thousands of years) so you can beat up some essjay strawman nobody is defending.

i really do feel like i'm on Holla Forums right now. why do so many people on here actively perpetuate their non-arguments?

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Objectification should logically means "treating someone as an object", applying it to the mere representation of a woman gives to that object the quality of real being. There lies the spook

probably because of all the Holla Forums posters

A-Are there copies?

are you actually calling stickmen porn?
(also claimes about cavemen culture are sort of…unprovable really…)

wat?

What's the difference then between stick-figure representations of intercourse and more elaborate arrangements of lines intended to represent the same?

Slave to abstract concepts detected.

I agree. Though I would say the same when it comes to drawing lewd pictures. Almost all artists are independent these days.

Also, dumb question. How was sexuality expressed before capitalism? Legit curious.

I haven't read shit tbh.

Ah, I see. Treating a thing like a person is spooky. Got it.

Maybe not paintings, but there have been some questionable statues from prehistoric times:

google.ca/search?q=prehistoric porn&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2yJOVt-zOAhULvxQKHSMdBvsQ_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=584

The lewd fruit is just a joke.

It depends on when and where we're talking.

nothing's changed.

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idk i see it around the chans sometimes, never bothered looking up exactly what it meant. maybe i should've used something different.

It was more or less tied to religious beliefs and rituals, the vulgus pecum probably didn't give that much shit tough.

It's even more spooky when you think that thing is seen as the embodiement of every woman in existence. I guess that's similar to how wiping your ass with a flag is an insult to the Nation. Which makes me think it would be funny to throw this analogy to SJW and alt right types…

just because they're spooks doesn't mean that they don't actually affect how some people see the world

archive.is/KMevz

Fujoshi pandering is far more numerous that what people think, and Osomatsu opened the damn floodgates, to boot.
I remember a show last season about a dude in a relationship with a shota.

its sort of a tenuous connection to that and porn…
we cant really know if the cave-dudes were jerking off to it…

Ok some of those look like dildos…
the other ones, the curvy/fat women…dont know the purpose, again, cant say if it was porn, or had religious purposes or something.
corpulent women have been a symbol of fertility for as long as we know.

spooks can't affect the world, that's what makes them spooks.

read stirner

Of course they affect people's worldview. They wouldn't be spooks otherwise.

spooks wouldn't be worth mentioning at all if they didn't affect people's worldview. maybe YOU should read stirner

exactly

nvm, I missed "how some people see the world"

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I agree. It's a problem precisely because there's just not enough of it!

Forgot flag tbh.

sauce? this is a good feminism.

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gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1321820

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could you falseflag harder Holla Forums?

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Fuck off, cunt. Not every feminist, like Holla Forums would like you to believe, can be pigeonholed into a singular theory. Moreover, all sex is rape, and love inherently violent, and even in spite of knowing this rape is what gets me off.

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Highschool of the Dead is about Ideology and fanservice is there to cover it.

[citation needed]

One of my favourite maymays to come from this place. Now post the canoe one.

Regarding it, I'd post more seriously if I knew that this place wasn't equally full of shitposters, such as Holla Forumsyps and liberals, and were actually receptive to discourse. To disclose to Holla Forums what they are and what I am, what I have done, what they have done, what we owe each other, all our moral relations, all the commitments they have contracted, all those that have been contracted with them thus, what point they have reached in the progress of their faculties, how much of the road they still have to cover, the difficulties they will find there, the means of getting over these difficulties, what I can still help them with, what they alone must now help themselves with, and finally, the critical point at which they stand, the perils which surround them, and all the solid reasons which ought to oblige them to keep an attentive watch over themselves before listening to their nascent desires, would advise us to go back and pick up the thread from a more general point of view. That is the moment to present my account to them, so to speak; to show them how their time and mine have been employed. For now, we admire a painting of a dead fish on a kitchen table as the artifice of the painter whose mastery is displayed, for which its uncanniness is rendered in its eyes, continuing the to stare at us, and lead us to further consequences. It must be as if the artistic treatment transforms every visible surface into an eye, so that, when we look at this fish, we look at a thousand-eyed Argus. The artwork thus becomes a monstrosity, a multiplicity of eyes staring at us from all sides—hence one can say that art is precisely an attempt to cultivate, to tamel

tame.*

And then you lads claim to not be a safe space for the same kind of manchildren that Holla Forums hosts.

are you n1x or any other post leftist?

u focking wot?
your pic is great btw, because its actually compatible :^)

id love it if Holla Forums would actually have a use and meaningfull discussion on feminism…
But all the reactions you get are akin to the comments on a Thunderfoot video…

You probably deserved your ban, but you're not giving much context. Anyway, I've been banned plenty and for unreasonably long spans of time; can't say that I know the other anarcha-feminist flags have been banned before, but I digress. No one gets a free pass (ironic since Socialism means free shit :^) jk), but mods are pretty shitty here because they won't exactly separate the chaff from the wheat, will let spammers hit our board hard, and their retributions are of undue mercilessness.

Nevermind. I'm fucking schizo.
So is feminism~

Watch it again through critic of ideology glasses, ignore the boobs and if you don't get it, read zizek. I'm too bored to analyze this again.

epic excuse!! i'll use that the next time mom catches me jacking off

You can watch, read, listen to, anything, with critique of ideology glasses.

zizek was a mistake

ive heard an occasional feminist say this and honestly want to understand what you mean. how is all sex rape?

sure but that doesn't mean everything is about ideology, most things just ARE ideology

Sure. So, you watch them to expand your ideological framework and be able to defend yourself better against them.

That person is in a very insignificant minority.

Something something assymetry of power.
everything2.com/title/All sex is rape

you can gladly ignore them and thier crazy viewpoints, i can assure you, most contemporary feminists already do…

I pointed out that Holla Forums is in deep denial about wanting to have a non-reciprocal relationship with leftists who aren't white males (e.g. female leftists should always march together with men, but you're a tumblrina Clinton shill if you think that men ought to give a fuck about problems that concern mostly women), and got showered with Holla Forums tier hysterical strawmanning before board owner got into the fray. I honestly don't know why I expected imageboard dwellers to be reasonable people.

He's right. It's obvious to anyone that can take the time to listen to the dialogue or follow the sorry instead of looking at tits. For example in like the 2nd episode, some asshole teacher comes up to them and starts demanding they organizing and pick a leader. The protagonists basically say they have no leader they're fighting and cooperating based on mutual self-interest. You see later that the teachers colony is a hierarchical mess that quickly goes to shit.

no im not trying to affirm some strawman or something. i'm genuinely curious as to how this philosophy works

Yes, reasonable people are hard to come by on imageboards

Some remember what happened during OWS, even tough not everyone is suffering the exact same way under capitalsim, if you give one finger to idpolers, they take the whole arm systematically. I guess this is precaution principle.

Bollocks. You lads just want to have your cake and eat it, exactly like Holla Forums and tumblr.

You should like a real asshole. We aren't in deep denial about anythiny. We don't give a shit about your gender or race. We aren't going to give you special treatment or try to be "inclusive" to accommodate special snowflakes or retards that want to whine about oppression olympics all day. You probably were spewing a bunch of nonsense about rape culture or "gender pay gap" or something other idpol bullshit and then got called out on it. Then you sperged out and called us a bunch of man babies or something. If I were to guess why you were banned.

Walking contradiction, etc…

Proving my point beautifully.

The reason Holla Forums and tumblr have spread across the internet is they latch on to whatever website or group tolerates their disgusting presence. I'm with the other guy. You can't give them an inch.

hmm..interesting. i don't really see it that way but atleast i kind of get it now?

Nah I think you proved mine.

What does this have to do with leftism?

Ok, Let's give it a try feminanon: Female CEOs yay or nay?

That's a nice excuse for sticking your head up your arse.

See? I only just started talking and you're already strawmanning me. Fuck off.

well ok now that you mention it…i have watched HotD twice and only payed attention to the tits.(kek) My memory of it isnt to good…might give it a watch again…

sorry then,not often you get this here…
as mentioned, assymetry of power iirc

Nah. If we were talking about polyps I bet you'd agree with me. They're cancer. They take over every place that tolerates them. The act that leftypol is the only left-wing board not completely ruled over by those twats.

It is, you just pretend to be left.

youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100
Im not even gonna argue…the edgy way you wrote this makes it seem likely you'd be not very succeptable to criticism

Look.
Do we mostly talk about male issues? NOPE. Do we talk about male issues? Sure. Do we demand that every thread has to be about male issues?

See the problem?

Ok ok…
Also, the way the leader was elected in the bus is exactly how fascism works. "I am the older one here, I saved you and I'm your only hope, most people here want me to lead cause they are afraid, the rest of you better fall in line".
In the mansion, you have the authoritarian head figure that is trying to hold on to "the old ways" and the liberal mob in denial about reality.
In the end, the fascists die EXACTLY because tradional ways, "yes, we have to let these people in, as they are weak women and an honorable teacher. Oh he is not honorable? Everyone get out I guess. Oh shit, not they broke the fence and the zombies are coming", and on the other hand you have your average liberal mob in denial of reality "no, they are only sick people and we have to help them" until they come face to face with reality and the leader of the mob becomes a worse "zombie killer" than anyone. You know… "Why are you making me do this? I only wanted to save you! Am on the right side of history!"

So in the end, everyone that gets stuck in old ideologies, dies, while the new ideologies are "the leader is our savor and we are doing everything for the leader" (school bus) and "we have a leader, but he is no more special than the rest of us and we change if needed".

SEE!

Fanservice is fine, with critique of ideology glasses!

why is talking about women's issues so triggering then?

You talk about issues that concern you and outright refuse to do anything for anyone who isn't you. You're literally Holla Forums.

If you think I said any thing edgy it says slot more about you then me leftcom. Leftypol really doesn't care about identity. I'm half-black and half-arabic and I vastly prefer the way things are here. Identity politics are complete cancer. I've never had any stomach for them.

I just asked a question. You could have answered it, you could have argumented, you could have show me how full of shit i was about my opinion of you, but instead you're whinning about being strawmanned.

LIKE CLOCKWORK

You keep proving my point.

we litterally had an MGTOW/MRA thread a few days ago…
no one demands that Holla Forums turns into /proletarianfeminism/…
Maybe just that this board dosnt go full retard at the sight of purple or any mention of feminism…

Because you cannot make EVERYTHING about "muh vagoo" and demand everyone to care.

Sure. I agree. This is a board for leftists and we talk about leftist poltics. Why should I care for "This character has too big boobs! I don't like it!" or "I identify as a transgender skaven that identifies as an asexual shlaaneshy daemonette, check your privilage"? I care about such issues as much as I care about race or color of skin or ZE JOOS!.

Yes we did. So… Let's have a cyclical official feminism thread and keep it all there. Also, we had ONE thread. Not making EVERY thread about it.

That's a different person dickwad. I don't know why you idpolers always seem to think you're arguing with one person when we fight with you on here.

That thread was a clusterfuck just like the feminist threads. You just have a double standard.

See? You decided to not have a reasonable conversation from the start, and instead of saying so immediately, you deceitfully tried to appear ready to converse. You're literally Holla Forums.

LITERALLY POL!

Only a flower that falls is a complete flower, say the Japanese. One is tempted to say as much of a civilization, or of love. Only a fantasy may sustain it, such that society's basis is a certain pride in obedience, so one is and remains a slave as long as one is not cured of hoping. Success, honours, and all the rest of it in this are pardonable only if one who experience sex feels that it will end badly, that their masturbating through another's body will return opposite to its ends in rape. Then they will accept both in order to enjoy, when that moment comes, the completeness of their collapse. In flawed families, as these, a scion appears who dedicates themselves to the truth of sex and who ruins themselves in its pursuit.

Also, don't listen to Dworkin or anyone suggesting that my "all sex is rape" thesis is analogous to hers. She actually thinks all PIV, heterosexual intercourse is rape, purposely excluding lgbt+, whereas I think anyone can rape another person, whether male, or female, homosexual, or heterosexual, and so on.

Except that you lads outright admit that you're entirely willing to ally with the MRA crowd if you can somehow justify it, while adamantly refusing to even consider not flipping out at the mere sight of feminists. Don't talk about double standards as if they aren't your MO.

hey remember when anyone said that ever? answer the question. why are mra threads and general apologia ok but any kind of mention of feminism not ok? the way you're assuming that any talk of feminism would lead to those dern wombyn taking over muh forums reeks of spooky sexist fearmongering

Uh huh, I'm the one to fault for being asked insinuating questions. Fuck off.

damn i was kinda pissed at your first post but this is some DEEP shit

why do we hate anfems again?

It's not that hard, tell me what you want, user, what are you in for? What do you expect from me? What do you expect from that board? Do you want the end of exploitation, or a better distributed exploitation? Do we have a common ideal to strive for?
Why are you even pissed about being misrepresented anyway? Remember where we are, we throw much worse shit at each other face than simple strawmans.

See, you don't need me for this dialogue, you've already decided on your opinions about me. Just fuck off already.

Theorys that try to analyze certain aspects of current hegemony arent automatically idpol…

You mentioned rape culture, an aspect of (certain) feminist theorys that is probably one of the most misunderstood (purposefully or not). It just litterally the name someone gave to cutural biases against the victims of rape, that have an effect on society…
(which, for example, sociologists is reasearching…)

That's cat chan. She has never been like the other anfems. You're never going to catch her calling us neckbeards or women haters and she's always shown a concern for the rights of both genders. She's a quality poster when she feels like it. Don't associate her with the other anfems.

That, or you need to read Hegel and learn how to reconcile "opposites."

Well, this notion of love as being always manipulative has existed for some time. I just took it to its radical conclusion.

We're some of the boards biggest bullies I guess…

No! Support robosexual love; vote yes on proposition ∞~

I have an opinion about you, maybe not the one you think i hold. That's not even the one i had initially. Have a guess.
One answer.
You just need one answer to prove me wrong.

Never said that, i would just like it if this board reacted less like a 15yo Amazing Atheist fan if someone brings up feminism…
Ive seen people unironically call rosa luxemburg idpol ffs…

You are too fucking primitive to even propose that you can't be figured out with trivial ease.

I know what "rape culture" is everyone does. It's not the definition people have a problem with its what feminists consider rape cultures that everyone has problem with.

Go ahead then. Tell me what i think of you.
You still didn't answer.

I can't stop people from joining in to conversations. You decided to not have a conversation when you gave my post a condescending one sentence reply.

I find bitches complaining p/.roblemomatic

And I'm not going to. We both know how that conversation would unfold, and I have neither desire nor energy to humour you.

The MGTOW thread, as said before, was as much of a clusterfuck as any feminist or pol bait thread. We have plenty of those.

Nope! I think most people here say they are as BS as feminists.

If you let reddit take over, it will take over. Also, disscusion doesn't mean acceptance.
"I believe the earth is flat!"
Well, it's not, this is why it's not and I do not accept your position.
"You are driving people away by not discussing flat earth!"

Someone comes and asks you:
"I see you are a muslim. Do you want to keep women at home?"
You could answer:
"Yer strawmaning me! ARRRGH!"
Or you could say:
No, I don't and this is a stereotype."

Ye, and I would like to live in a socialist world where we have gone past our petty feuds on sex and gender and race and nation and color of skin and relegion and whatever spook, and started going for space.
Alas. The world is full of idiots.

Wat?
Could you please explain what exactly """Feminism""" (thats not a monolith you know…) considers rape culture that pisses "everyone" off?
prefereably without linking to any neckbeard youtube channels or presenting some obscure, tiny, minority of feminist as relevant…

so gender issues suddenly aren't spooks when men are involved?

so fuckin shallow

I don't give a shit what gender the feminists are. I care about the ideology. You can take the leftcom and n1x with you. It isn't about your snowflake identity. It's about your cancerous ideology. This is an anonymous image board everyone would just assume you were white knight if you didn't talk about your gender so much.

You're fucking disgusting. You really are a sweaty neckbeard IRL, aren't you? I wouldn't wipe my shoes off of you.

Gender is always an issue. . .
Read the Lacans pl0x.

Nah I never said I agreed with cat chan. I just said she wasn't a cunt and always explained herself without resorting to insults and reddit memes. Me and her once argued for like 50 or 60 post about feminism even with her male inclusive stances I don't agree with her but I respect her.

Instead of answering the question, you reply with a Holla Forums tier non sequitur strawman. Why the fuck do you even bother pretending?

i didnt disagree with that though

I like these idpol bait threads.

It flushes out all the crypto bigots on this board that get triggered by minorities just speaking about their own experiences.

There's a serious debate to be had how idpol undermines leftist movements but god damn does left pol get triggered by minorities expressing even the most tame of dissatisfaction with how they are treated compared to white proles.

This thread will probably get bumplocked by the boardowner so your fee fees won't get hurt anymore though so don't worry.

i would like that too, but i would like to be able to have a meaningful discussion about feminism, while we get to full spacecommunism…
(because i think revolution is impossible without counter-hegemony, and preferably one that dosnt just go "Spoogs :DDD", so adressing some of these spooky ideas is unavoidable…)

The idea that we live in a rape culture in contemporary western society and the rape culture hysteria on college campuses. As if Europe and America were the fucking Congo during a civil war. This bullshit so mainstream even the Obama Administration commented on it. I can't believe you'd ever ask this. whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/01/22/renewed-call-action-end-rape-and-sexual-assault

I've never understood how idpol isn't apart of class struggle.

Isn't idpol apart of the superstructure. I understand that the base is dominate but attacking the superstructure is still integral to how the base manifests.

To my mind you need to attack both but put priority on the base. Attacking only one seems inefficient.

"This character is sexualized! Clearly rape culture!"
"Batgirl got raped by Jocker! Sure it is not shown as a good thing… b-but .. RAPE CULTURE!"
"A guy offered me coffee as we were going back after flirting all night at a bar. RAPE CULTURE!"
"I stubbed my toe! RAPE CULTURE!"

You see, the problem with those "minorities" is they are not seperated by the majorities. If a tankie starts saying "gulag everyone" we are not gonna let him turn it into "this is what leftists believe". The right wing does it already. Our role is to show that we are not all like this. Modern feminisms doesn't do that. It not only lets the "minority" rampant, but it also dissmisses any critiques of those minorities.
Sectarism is a plague of the left, but on the other hand I wouldn't have it any other way.

Still doing it.
Tell me about your childhood. Did people not get you and ostracized you?

How come instead of coming up with actual arguments. All you do is whine about "pol-tier" arguments until the phrase loses all meaning.

Oh.

Anyway, I find it weird when you say "spooks" like that because Stirner is often seen as pioneering individualist feminism:
Man is something only as my quality* (property**), like masculinity or femininity. The ancients found the ideal in one's being male in the full sense; their virtue is virtus and arete – i.e. manliness. What is one to think of a woman who should want only to be perfectly "woman?" That is not given to all, and many a one would therein be fixing for herself an unattainable goal. Feminine, on the other hand, she is anyhow, by nature; femininity is her quality, and she does not need "true femininity." I am a man just as the earth is a star. As ridiculous as it would be to set the earth the task of being a "thorough star," so ridiculous it is to burden me with the call to be a "thorough man."

There is no minority of cartoon characters that is expressing dissatifaction with how they are treated in the fictional universe here. Stop spouting this non-sense.

Is everything that doesn't call women second class citizens, feminist?
Was Sparta a feminist society?

define white.
the world is not murica

"Since it's not as bad as in Congo during a civil war, it's not a problem at all." (You implied that, so fuck off with "I didn't say verbatim".) It's the golden denialist tactic. You're proving the point you attempt to demolish.

quit pretending fiction is separate from reality. the connection it has to reality is what makes it enjoyable/relatable at all

like fucking obviously we're not talking about how fictional characters feel. there's no way you actually believe this. we're talking about how the ideologies present in fiction can define people's worldviews.

I'm just telling them that many see him this way. There are entire books written around the subject.

Concerning Sparta…afaik it had pretty "progressive" civil laws when it came to the rights of women as compared to the other Greek city-states.

Could you please start defining instead of blaming anyone you don't think alike?

Welp. Big reveal, i -naively- thought you were a one of thoses putting women's rights before humans rights. I expected a talk about compatibility between class strugle and identity struggle. I hoped a large common ground, with minor disagreement.
But instead of this, you took a question -not even an insult- a fucking question as a personal attack. You're just not here to talk.
Now i don't think you give a shit about class, nor about women. You're only here to get your daily dose of moral indignation against those who do not bow down to YOU.

Or you're just trolling in which case i give 9/10.

So.. Sparta was a feminist city state, even if feminism didn't exist as an ideology.

im gonna direct you to what i just wrote about what people actually mean when they say rape culture…

also, these videos, give them a watch if you want…
youtube.com/watch?v=Ekq3OLRz1ls
youtube.com/watch?v=rc24YtUslCU

You went full (probably) Sargon tier strawmaning…good fucking job…

thats just factually wrong…
inter-feminst crituqe is obviously a thing.

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Kanker Kamaraad

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Fuck off, you Holla Forumstard.

Posting a quote from any of those books without attribution will result in getting hit with accusations of being idpol. Fucking hypocrites.

That's not what I said! You could say it was "proto-feminist" but I wouldn't even go as far. Let's not forget that it was Spartan men who held governmental power, and it was Spartan men who gave women their short-lived economic and societal influence.

Perfect…

Which is the reason for the constant reiteration for the need to read a fucking book.

Your mom probably said something along those lines when she took all your video games away for fear of you turning into a shooter or something.

I mean what is your claim in the first place? That the consumption porn turns people into sexist monsters? Where is the evidence for this?

You're a fucking idiot.

Jesus Christ

If someone can have his or her worldview DEFINED by movies or video games, there is much more to worry about than the particular worldview vehiculed by fiction.

idk you tell me

It sounds like you ought to be fucking reading.

what? they aren't. contrary to muh mindless consumerism, what you consume is made by real people with real experiences that influence what they make and thereby can influence you.

Reading has certainly failed to provide any benefit for you, so it's not your fucking place to give advice on that.

u sound triggered

It's like someone linked /lefypol/ to one of these family forum where all the soccer moms hang out, bwahaha.

Here are some suggestions if you're having trouble. You know where to find me if you need any help with the big words.

hahahahaha
k kwam hier om je uit te lachen.
kamaraad xD

kys

saved tbh fam

confirmed non-reader, kek

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Here are two more from when Holla Forums wasn't complete garbage.

Books don't work as replacement for brains. Literacy is useless for subhumans like you.

Fiction. Is. Not. Reality.
You have to look at it with distance. Taking it at face value. THAT would be mindless consumerism. Teaching the difference between reality and fiction is something every parent should do rather that complaining their children don't gubble the correct message in videogames.

Ok, so, if it is a thing:
A) It's not promoted enough and the other voices are not heard.
B) The critique is not strong enough in order to create seperate movements.
Or is it both?
If you start promoting anything leftist, you'll end up promoting Khmer Rouge. Same way, you end up promoting "all sex is rape".
This becomes more and more apparent, lately, when feminists cannot decide how muslim women in france are to go to the beach and end up with the "men are telling women what to wear", even if the parliament consists of men AND women.
"But this is liberal democracy!"
Ye. And what leftypol doesn't like is liberal feminism.

tl;dr, if you don't want stereotypes, don't reinforce them.

See! There is the bases of my dissagreement with feminism!
It wasn't men, but sociopolitical conditions! Women were essential for the maintenence of the army. The army was essential for th maintenence of the city. Women are essential for the city, so they deserve more! It wasn't men that gave them rights but the historical conditions and the sociopolitical organization.

Genders don't "rule" or "are ruled". It's all about Historical Materialism.

Here, I'll even GIVE you a book. What, do you need me to read it out loud to you?

How did obvious bait get 200+ replies?

All you need is a couple of plebbitors, our anfem poster and some of us with too much free time.

It's why idpol exists silly prole

No, but I'd like you to read me a book.

You'll start hearing a lot more once you get of the basement, love.

Given how boastful you are of your ability to read, I take it you only learnt that skill recently. Too sad it's too late to help you to develop into a proper human being.

yeah if you want to see how little video games influence people check out all those swell neonazis on Holla Forums. sure their narcissism and disconnection from reality has totally nothing to do with wasting away watching anime and play video games all day huh. nope. no way. it's all just a coincidence that theyre all morally and politically absolutist (attitude enforced by media)

like video games have been standard for only about 30 years and we're just so sure of their influence or lack thereof? and of course you relate it back to your angst against your parents that you haven't gotten over. and you wonder why people call gamers manchildren.

So is murder and robbery even if they're significantly lower rates of these crimes in first wolrs countries. It doesn't mean we live in murder or robber culture. But please continue to strawman people's arguments as per usual.

yes, I'll listen to anything you read to me

So, it's up to the people to read, not up to us to educate them.

Are you and anarchist, by any chance? They do the same thing.

particularly women's rights

They were polacks before they went to v.

You are not doing much to destrawman yourself you know…

I was pointing out that your answer was a denialist non sequitur, and now you expand on said non sequitur. Beautiful.

No it doesn't. They have to focus on escapism such as video games and fantasy films because their lives suck. Correlation isn't the same is causation. The rate of crime corresponds to ice cream sales. Chances are with out the outlet they'd be even worse. They'd actually go out hand hurt someone instead of harmless shitposting on the internet but go ahead pursue your baseless puritanical agenda. Just watch the murder and rape rights spoke after they have no whee to turn too.

thank you, thank you, thank you

Wrong, they are herad, you just dont hear them, because you choose to not look for them (yes that is a presumption, but i see no other way how anyone would miss the entirety of inter-feminist debate)
Also wrong… (intersectional feminism would be an example, it came along as a reaction too so called "white feminism")

Sorry, you've lost me…
Yeah, in Monolith-Strawmanland, but thats not reality…

on Holla Forums…amazing

I dislike it as well…

Yes, the historical conditions made it their necessity, it prompted the change, however, it was ultimately the army politic, and the kings, that codefied these laws into their constitution.

I was looking out you have no real arguments and resort to strawmaning and smug resoones. Thanks for pricing my point retard. It's not a non sequitur. It's a comparison between similar scenarios. You're the one that jumped to a conclusion in your post.

pls read to me ;-;

the culture that grew on places like Holla Forums created Holla Forums

Stop projecting.
If you don't want for women to have equality, then fucking say so, it's Holla Forums, almost everyone here agrees with you. Why all the deceit?

You forgot to put on your shitposting flag.

You're the same kind of idiots who believe life to be a zero sum game where another's loss means your gain that inhabit Holla Forums and tumblr, and I don't know why you're in denial of that.

Kek you should like Holla Forums when the say anyone that isn't pro- segregation wants to exterminate white people. No wonder you got banned. This absolutely shitposting at this point.

porn gives you ED, they better off reading karma sutra and some game instead

Well, truth is, I find the latest internets inter-femnist debate extremly funny. Problem and point is, feminism, IMO and under the sociopolitical conditions that I live, is a purely theoritical movement that has no base left and is promoted by people that have to keep it going or else they would have nothing to talk about.

While socialism or anarchism are active movments, militant and so on, by workers and people that want to live and so on, feminism in the western world is an internets movment, by bourgies that need something to complain about.

Now, that's my opinion and it's biased as fuck, but that the point!

You cannot expect everyone in the world to see things in the same way you do, as everyone lives in different socioeconomic conditions!

Yes, and then we have to go back to how agriculture created the need for organized societies, the origins of family, engels and so on.

SEE! Leftypol is not THAT shit!

We can be doing this all day long.
"V created pol or pol created v?"
Truth is.. Pol created V and Pol was created by stormfront that found a place to spread their nazism.
The more we forget context and history, the more we will be seeing the world they way we want to see it. You know.. Like pol does!

I didn't say that you hate anyone, merely that you think that you can only have as much as others don't. You're exactly the same as Holla Forums in this respect - and, by the way, I never fancied that Holla Forums actually hates anyone, as they simply believe in political thuggery, as it were.
Yes, it's very triggering to hear, but that's the sad truth for you.

You part of that nofap cult? It's bullshit. Porn is fine in moderation like most things.

Yeah i'm against women equality because i'm not shrieking in horror when i see a panty shot in anime.

I didn't dedicate a single sentence in this thread to discussing, or complaining about, fanservice. You've went into full overtriggering mode, m8.

Then express it as such…took you long enough to get to the differentiation…
Making a general statement about feminism from (only) your experineces is simply unfair as you seem to agree…

I for example would argue that far-left feminism is alive and well (where i live), even militant, engaging in direct action and so on, some of them litteral AnFems (YES…)

No fap cures depression. I swear to the devil it does, after 3 days of no fap, I had the most random mood swing in the middle of the day. Immediately I started jamming out to some Kanye West and applied for like 4 different jobs in 2 hours. If you're in a rut like I was, no fap can make a difference.

>>>/gulag/

You're so pure.. You don't know what nazis are like…

But aren't we all doomed to this? I talk about an apple as it's used where I live, you talk about it as where you live. And the less we accept "there are other ways to use apples! Hm!" we are doomed to fight for ever over nothing.

So, the problem is not me or you. The problem is dogmatism.

you sound exactly like the type of person who thinks increased libido magically makes your life better

Yes, personal biases, of course…
but we should do it while being aware of it…it really helps…

Kek. I didn't make that post by the way. Again multiple people are arguing with you.

Your hypocrisy is fucking unbelievable.

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I'm glad you feel better but it's just the placebo effect. You probably just feel more in control of your life. You should start working out and add more structure to your day.

Your wording points to the likelihood of you wearing a fedora at this very moment to be very high.
Uh huh.

Hollywood films are jewish propaganda to poison your mind, so yes you should.

Oh who am I kidding this is Holla Forums, they've had you for years already.

I live in an attic with a psychotic parent, getting a job means I can move out and have a life, so fuck you.

wrong nigger, I had lazy depression for like weeks, quitting fapping gave me the energy to stop being a little bitch.

Given you were complaining about fiction potentially defining people's worldview, i'd say my post was pretty relevant.
But keep going, you're totally not filling a stereotype.

Just to clarify, my parent doesn't live in the attic with me but he owns the house and he's a total asshole.

I won't be surprised if you're the lad who chastised me for thinking that I'm only talking to one person here.
You're fucking stupid.

we dont even post the same what the fuck

you act like you're talking to one big spooky monolith because you want to believe you're talking to one big spooky monolith

Getting a job is not the meaning of life.

HOWEVER, under our current socioeconomic coditions, not having a stable income makes your life worse. Thus, getting a job makes your life better, but not good.

PLEASE. you obviously just discovered r/theredpill and are riding the culture high til you eventually crash

I never said it was the meaning of life, far from it, but at least it's a start.

t.homeless neet

We all know it's just me and you here.

Except that's more of a democracy criticism, what's with you know, one person using majority vote to claim power.

Except the fascists were quite wary of that group, and they only kowtowed because the liberal group was making a scene.

HoTD is anything but criticism of fascism, it's fucking telling the audience that only nationalism and strong border can protect society.

wow you're not even pretending that i didn't call you out

You're taking to a crypto-fascist, what kind of opinion did you expect him to demonstrate?

what, how?

confused fam

Just because something is used to facilitate exploitation doesn't make that thing itself exploitative.

I agree that sexualization of women is added to media, not just anime, for the express purpose of boosting it sexual appeal and there for increasing sales at the expense of the female form, it's commodidized essentially,

But even after the revolution there's still going to be overt sexualization, it just won't be to chase capital, probably for attention, or just plain old sexual gratification.

Do you find it exploitative that women confirm to male standards of beauty when they want said male attention?

haha this

KEK!
How do you like your 35% rulling the rest, cause the state has to be governed?

Yes ofcourse. And what did that get them? They still died. And aren't fascists all about "traditional values"? How come "traditional values" don't work anymore when society collapses?

I don't get this "calling out". What exactly do you achieve by this "calling out"?

No, just you.

well "male standards of beauty" is just porky telling you what your dick likes & yeah i think women can be just as easily manipulated. that's kind of the point.

but i'm probably misinterpreting what you're saying and you're just trying to bait me into confirming some strawman right

B-but.. Am a Leninist… Not even a Stalinist…

3edgy5me

Except the majority vote for that dude as their leader, hence it's democratic.
They failed because they kowtowed to liberals, but they still remained the only society that worked, and no, they didn't die.
They were only the local society that works until they kowtow to liberals.

So the comic is saying the libs are the problems ruining society, not the traditionalists.

>>>/gulag/

this thread is bait and shitpost
not saging should be a ban-reason

ITT: Tumblrina feminists with no real problems extending patriarchal oppression to things enjoyed primary by marginalized white straight guys because they are easy targets.

ITT: Pseudo- Leftists primarily defined by the media they consume try to rationalize the casual hatred of women in the media they enjoy with ad hominums and economic determinism.

Both are so dum I'm smart

B-but we need a vanguard to secure the early stages of the revolution and educated the people while avoiding the creation of a nomenklature that will enslave the state in state capitalism.

Of those that voted. Plus, in Greece for example the first party got an MP bonus.. cause the state has to be governed…

Guns only for adults wasn't a liberal "policy". And if the kowtowed to liberals, then fascism is a weak movement that will backtrack if chalenged. You know.. like when Mussolini was BTFOed when Italy was losing the war… Oh, and… .. Why wouldn't they die? We'll never get chapter 31, so… they are dead. They had nowhere to go and last stances don't work in zombie apocalypses. Unless you have a helicopter or something.

So, libs are a problem as they cannot face reality and cons are a problem as they cannot give up the old ways.

And this, kids, is how you turn fanservice and so on, into ideological discussion.

Choose one.
I wouldn't have taken a bet on you being a vanguardist for how fucking obvious it was. Of course you stand in favour of an exclusive organization possessing all the political and economical power in society and claiming to act in interests of the people while being entirely free to interpret those interests in whichever way it sees fit. Democracy is whatever you say is democratic.