Seriously, why hasn't the ideas of mutualism ever really been put into practice the same way as other socialist ideas? To me it seems like the perfect stepping stone from capitalism to socialism to communism. We can even recruit ancaps who love the free market but are willing to tolerate and maybe even embrace worker co-operatives and unions.
Think about it
Can you explain mutualism to me?
Everytime I read source material about it my eyes glaze over for some reason.
market syndicalism
People who work in a factory run that factory, and trade goods with other worker owned business
Free market socialism basically
Im confused isn't this what Kropotkin, and thus anarcho commies believe in as well? I've just started reading his works so I'd like to see how well im grasping it
Capitalism without private property.
Factory is owned by the people working there.
Kropotkin was a full-blown communist. He even criticized Bakunin's collectivism which used labor vouchers.
Also, mutualism isn't capitalism. It's the libertarian school of market socialism.
Its both an analogy and its a fact that it retains a lot of the similarities of capitalism, which don't necessarily disappear.
Critiques are to be made, but it was known as a socialist school since its inception with Proudhon with its followers even calling themselves libertarian socialists. Marxism became so prominent that it left these ideologies so neglected, and many don't know the history or content.
You bring up a valid point that I would like to address. Isnt anarcho communism the end goal of communism?
Yes.
There's a lot more to it than the memes people spout on Holla Forums. Read Proudhon.
Mutualism is anarchism. It just also happens to not be against markets. Some mutualism emphasize markets and money more than others.
That's just a meme. I'm not sure if Marxist Leninists actually believe that.
I'll be nice to Mutualists, but will they be nice to me?
Also, why is the Mutualism flag black on the bottom right while the Anarcho-Communist flag is black on the top left?
I noticed this too.
because someone dun goofed
Mutualism isn't capitalism, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to entertain the idea of establishing the system. The production of goods for use, not profit, should be an essential feature of the post-revolutionary economic structure.
Why do any of you retards actually think any form of anarchy would ever work?
Are you really so selfish and blind to not realize that everyone isnt just like you?
"Heh..heh no ones going to mug, rape and murder me. It happens now b-but but after…it wont c-cuz I learned this last week!"
Are you all into spewing atheism too?
Lol what the fuck is wrong with you
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Sure, you could make your commune someplace and have good time yes? You can even make network of communes or unions operating under the "from each according to ability, to each according to needs". Under mutualism the product of your labor is your property, so you can do with it what you want. You just don't get to take the product of other peoples labor.
This. Mutualists seem pretty bro tier, and as an ex marksoc I can see the merits in their arguments. But profit as the motive for production and the conditions created by market forces are some of the things we're trying to do away with by abolishing capitalism in the first place. Mutualism/market socialism is still a great transitional period imo.
Yes, a great transitional period until we arrive at post scarcity.
Market socialism minus the state
The Profit motive is neccisary tho in order to reach full automation as fast As Possible market socialism Ensures that the Ensuing society Would Be communism
The problem with the profit motive and automation is that when the winners of the capitalist system, the major corporations and global elites, are applying it - they will still want the consumer economy going with themselves on top and in control. They'll (the capitalist elite) will be in favor of a universal income, that will not be the way in which you nor I would probably envison it but more like Ford, pay them just enough so that they can continue to spend and engage in the equation that keeps "producing" our money that we take an even larger and larger share of. The capitalist envisioned universal income will probably be less than the standard welfare style allotted to the few that require it, instead of being an equal share enough to actually engage on equal terms with the rest of the economy of society. Automation under captialism, and the safety measures it will take to keep things going, will more or less just be prolonged endured slavery.
Full automation can be achived right now, for most essential services, but that's not what the market economy under capitalism is about, it's about "producing wealth (money)" to be extracted by the ruling elite. There is no reality behind that. The developing society resulting in essential communism is only true if the non-capitalist class has class consciousness and struggles against this, otherwise it'll just be or work towards corporatist (capitalist) serfdom, where we're all essentially bitcoin producing computers and everything lives in fantasy land.
I've heard of the Argentines linking together some of their recovered factories into sort of a mutual aid organization, but they're mostly lacking in theory, since it all started as an organic emergency measure when a wave of offshoring hit their economy.
A market is the mode of distribution with mutualism, whereas the economy is planned in a decentralized, horizontally organized fashion with anarcho-communism.
Yes, anarchists and statist marxists have the same end goal, they just disagree
on when and how the state should go away.
I think people are too caught up in mutualism = markets meme. Mutualism doesn't necessarily revolve around markets.
the more i read about mutualism the more i believe it encompasses my belief system the best.
but Holla Forums makes it out to be like milton personified or something
you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet
But you're missing my point. We need to keep the profit motive and thus markets, but remove capitalists and thus capital accumulation. Hence, market socialism. After a certain point the state can step in and say to an industry that no one else can join it, thus the original owners will become rich as they automate more and more, sharing some profits with the state and its sovereign wealth fund, of course, but once they die that industry will no longer have owners besides society at large and require only a few workers doing maintenance for a fee.
Mutualism: Every member of the town use the same toothbrush.
They also share their waifus.