Pan-Europeanism

Why do I see some fascists/natsocs pushing this? I speak in regards to a European superstate.

What's the purpose? It seems like a terrible idea from where I'm standing. Anything beyond facilitating trade deals and standardisation of scientific methods is insanity. Different people, different cultures, different traditions, different languages, different economies. What's the point of this? Let each country govern themselves, with their own policies and currency. How does a fascist/natsoc think that relinquishing sovereignty is a good idea?

At most I can see some smaller Leagues forming, but nothing at this scale. We can cooperate without this. Forcing people together will only bring discontent.

The purpose is to unite whites under one banner. Saying European has less of a stigma than white in the current sociopolitical climate. We should definitely have our own ethnic homelands to continue our traditions with the ability to interact, share technology, etc, but for the purpose of creating a mass of people against the Jews, it's easier if there are 2 sides.

If you do, they aren't fascists or national socialists.

What the fuck are you doing you nigger?

That does not necessitate a superstate.


I've been thinking as much, but then I see them posting Mosley's speeches (embeded) about it. I am understanding that it is not a fringe idea among these communities.


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I am conflicted by two ideologies: ethno nationalism (pure nationalism, where there is only cooperation via intergovernmentalism) and white pan-europeanism (the presence of a supra-national body or even a superstate). I am afraid that due to our constant inter-conectivity, not only through the communications and other social media, but also through rail-roads, roads aircraft and dependence on each other's resources, classic nationalism would bring less benefits than pan-europeanism. Surely, you cannot equate it with the current European Union, especially considering how it is neither European and slowly less of a Union, but one can also do similar things when it comes to resources, military, economical and political cooperation, but with a very right wing touch to it.

Why should we acquiesce back to global irrelevance? Do you want to get dominated by giants like USA and Russia forever?
The rise of true European super power is paramount to our future success, independence and right for self-governance.

Every one of us knows what cancer the EU has been on our continent. But make no mistake, it was designed to be that.
Imagine similar institutions with less Kalergi and more Yockey.

Make Europe Great Again. In order to achieve that greatness, it necessitates putting aside our petty ethnic rivalries.
From Gibraltar to Finnmark, the men of our race are still being born with the right stuff.

Stars or farms. It comes down to personal values, really. And I want the former, and conquest, and glory.
Fascistic European Imperium.

Fascists might be doing it, natsocs no.

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I remember reading a text written by der Fürher himself, discussing the concept of pan-europeanism. As far as I remember (considering how I do not have the text), he opposed the concept since pan-europeanism had its pretext in the greater number of the people, while Hitler argued in favour of the quality of the people, also mentioning elements of how people need to identify each other as part of a single folk, which, at that time, he didn't see as feasable. Of course, he explained in much greater detail, but in the end two things are certain:
1. He actually wanted Germanic hegemony over the continent of Europe
2. He strongly believed that the nations of Europe couldn't identify with each other well enough to form a single union, something which - I dare to say today - was wrong, considering how lots of us anons seem able to identify with the rest of the Europeans.

Fuhrer*

You are probably thinking of Hitler's second book.
This is the biggest load of horse shit I have heard. I consider at least 50% of the european nations to be basically niggers. The rest I hate for historical reasons.
People who are pushing Pan-Europe are most likely burgers.

the old europe is dead, and its not coming back, hitler said as much. we have to salvage what we can from the shattered remains, and hopefully build something beautiful.

United Europe is communist project, EU must be burned to the ground and communist purged.

You are smart for suspecting that. The whole concept of "white supremacy" is a whole load of horse shit when it comes to Europe, yet we see it applied here. I observed it and this only confirms the (((U.S.))) influence over Europe for the past decades.This is the biggest load of horse shit I have heard. I consider at least 50% of the european nations to be basically niggers. The rest I hate for historical reasons.
People who are pushing Pan-Europe are most likely burgers.
Unfortunately, no matter how much I would like to live during the time land lords who fancied themselves nobles entered in militaristic land disputes over each other, due to the sheer amount of damage our current weaponry has, we are unable to behave the way old Europe did.

We can build something new which is very similar, or even build something new, something successful, worthy of its own recognition, but we can never replicate what used to be.

You're an Anglo aren't you?

People who are pushing Pan-Europe are most likely burgers.
Forgot to green text.

Fuck, I'm blind.

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True. However, I don't view this as a negative thing. Germany could've "romanized" the continent: Created a common cultural and linguistical ties, clear hierarchy and leadership, and a shared military effort to truly unify us.

I think Himmler proved him wrong on this assertion too with the international SS.

The past is past, and we should not get hung on every word uttered by Hitler. Even he couldn't have foreseen the challenges we are facing today.
The multi-pronged attacks by globalism will destroy us, unless we can abandon the unproductive attitudes showcased well by this poster .

Strong Europe is the only way for our survival, and it's time to stop being short-sighted and inflexible about these things.

Because with post 2 world wars america europe absolutely can't stay fragmented, burgers will keep injecting shitskins to europe otherwise.
There will be no end to american jews, cucks and globalists sponsoring degeneracy in europe.
With china, america and her slaves and russia europe can only stay european and independed when working together.

We need something non official we'd have Europeans protecting fellow Europeans from foreign invaders like Jews and Muslims. This way there wouldn't be a state above the state Germany could do what they want while england can do what they want as long as they don't hurt fellow Europeans.

Even if you consider, say, Greeks to be lesser than you it would still be productive to ally with them for the purposes of removing kebab. The fascist nations allied with each other, and if they hadn't they would've been cut down far quicker. Individual nations are even LESS able to go their own way against the forces of globalism/marxism than they were then.

As to the preservation of European ethnicities, of course they should be maintained. But keep in mind that nationality≠ethnictity even when it comes to native europeans, and aryan genes should be prioritized wherever they're found.

"History must be interpreted in terms of the necessities of the time" - A.H
Im not against cooperation at all, but it must be a cooperation that strengthen the nation and the people. Cooperating with nation just because they have the title "europeans" is foolish.
Hitler's second book is all about this and there is also good stuff on this in table talk.

Among the other reasons mentioned, survival.

Ever since we uplifted subhumans to human status they hate our guts and want us all either dead or enslaved.

This.

for now, at least. once control is reasserted we can work out old feuds, dont want to get rusty

They are communist infiltrators

I usually imagine scenarios where movements that present themes which we ca sympathize with ever reach power, achieve hegemony etc. And then suddenly, China. Ever greedy, ever threatening, ever scheming. China is nothing to be feared by the common man, but when you reach a certain level and find yourself to have certain ambitions, the biggest obstacle that you can find is China.

I actually have a subconscious fear of China.

That's nice and all, but in that case you cannot really prevent a situation where a nation will become filled of ambitions people willing to achieve hegemony over others. It simply just happens. Have you ever wondered why the most developed European nations never considered going to war with each other again? It is because they can't. Their resources are in constant circulation, always meant to go in the (((right))) places, it is also a problem of capital, since lots of (((wrong))) people own a lot of capital and they get to make it flow wherever they want. To actually do something 100% on your own, you need to: regain control of your resources (confiscating from lots of other countries and companies), creating your own separate currency (making lots of (((people))) have their shekels not be accepted) then have a Superman like military to defend yourself from the following US-EU led coallition. You can't even imagine how entangled each and every one of us are.

I tend to be more closer to the pan-europeans, mind you, but I also recognize the difficulties of this. The biggest mistake one can to is to implement a "one size fits all" type of policy to other countries, which is stupid, since countries have specific problems where people react in specific ways and desire specific solutions. In this case, a well functioning local administration is to be desired.

Get the fuck back to where you came from this minute

There are people like Richard Spencer that push for a union of european ethnostates, but I don't think I've ever seen people here pushing an actual pan european state

Superstate I haven't heard from fascists/natsocs.
We need to form unity if we instate national socialism or else the USA, Russia and China will pick every natsoc country off one by one.

Together many twigs make a mighty faggot, together many mighty faggots make an invincible superfaggot.

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China is no obstacle to europe and for the most part will want to coop and ally with europe, Their presence is just too big an impact on world ecenomy for fragmented europe to handle.

Indeed we had our chance for a European world, but it has passed. Now we will have to ally with other higher races to rule the world together. I think the way of the future is leaving Asia to the chinks and the poo in loos and we keep the rest of the world to ourselves.

It's the only way for Europe to maintain global power on par with USA/Russia/China. If you want Europe to be anything other than irrelevant bitch client states for major powers, then you will need some sort of empire. Petty nationalism will only make you into slaves of bigger states.

"The 300,000 Huguenots who fled to Germany were either of pure Nordic race or were representatives of a type which was conditioned by Germanic character. There was thus no difficulty in assimilating in fraternal harmony with the Germans. When, in 1789, the French revolution inaugurated a new persecution not only of dispossessed courtiers but also of genuinely noble characters, many a Frenchman found a new home in Prussia. Fouque, Chamisso and Fontane are French names, as are the names of a large number of German heroes of the Great War. On the other hand, Kant traced his ancestry to Scotsmen, Beethoven to Hollanders, and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, an Englishman, brought to light from their hidden depths the most beautiful treasures of the German soul. What all this shows is a happy cross fertilisation of men and ideas on the basis of a Germanic perception of life. Something utterly different is demonstrated today in the so called pan Europeanism which is promoted by all internationalists and Jews. This program is not aimed at the assimilation of Germanically conditioned elements in Europe, but at the coalescing of the racially chaotic refuse of megalopolises and a pacifistic business deal between large and petty traders. In the final analysis, it is the repression, at the behest of Jewish finance and enforced by the presence of the French military, of the Germanic forces in Germany—and throughout the world."

"This new idea of the Nordic west confronts Judaism as the sole dangerous opponent of a faceless Pan Europe, chaotic world justice, and the
folkish less freemasonic world republic. No other idea has any validity."

"Thus, first and foremost, the Pan European Movement rests on the fundamental basic error that human values can be replaced by human numbers. This is a purely mechanical conception of history which avoids an investigation of all shaping forces of life, in order, in their stead, to see in numerical majorities the creative sources of human culture as well as the formative factors of history. This conception is in keeping with the senselessness of our western democracy as with the cowardly pacifism of our high economic circles. It is obvious that it is the ideal of all inferior or half breed bastards. Likewise, that the Jew especially welcomes such a conception. For, logically pursued, it leads to racial chaos and confusion, to a bastardisation and Negrification of cultural mankind, and thereby ultimately to such a lowering of its racial value that the Hebrew who has kept free of this can slowly rise to world domination. At least, he fancies that ultimately he will be able to develop into the brain of this mankind which has become worthless."

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Who are you quoting, by the way?

Rosenberg and Hitler

nice double hitler dubs

remember there were multiple european empires spanning the planet at the time these were written

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It seems to be a balance between retaining individual nations' identities, and uniting together to survive outside influence. Where that balance lies is up for discussion.

Today's Europe is also quite different from 1930s Europe.

Pan-European cuckoldry can fuck off.

Only makes them more relevant now. If they saw it as a problem back then when this problem was so small that it could almost be neglected it is certainly relevant now when we stand at the brink of it.

I very, very rarely see anyone on Holla Forums advocate for a pan-European superstate. Usually we just want to stop fighting senseless brother wars on behalf of jews and see a strong Europe as far better for the world than wasting resources building up South America, Africa, etc. However, the vast majority of Holla Forums wants to see independent, sovereign European nation states reserved solely for members of their race – Germany for Germans, France for the French, Poland for Poles, etc

Any form of pan-Europeanism is anti-nationalist. We can work together in alliances against the Jews, but there's no need for anything more than that. Any burger who says otherwise is either retarded or s shill.

because they're burgers

That's bullshit. The entire notion of a German, a Spaniars, and a Slav having a cultural union is preposterous – the cultures are too different, and living with ach other would cause a merger, something every proper nationalist would want to prevent. If you want Pan-europeanism, you are no different from a leftist. Where leftists want one world government governing over all people, you want a slightly smaller version of it. Disgusting. I will defend my nation and culture from other europeans as readily as from any mongoloids or rapefugees.

The EU does not and never has facilitated trade. You are a fool or a shill.

No one is pushing this what a fucking faggot question.
We are in war right now. And we need to stand together. That is all.
Then we can return to caring about our countries only.

This. Hitler wouldn't have formed some shitty "union", he would have proven German superiority to everyone he took leadership over and thus encourage them to take up a superior German way of life. Recall that the Romans (who were most likely exiled Trojans) didn't even cover all of Italy at first and were mostly confined to Rome and the surrounding area. Fast forward about two millennia and what remains as one of the hallmarks of western European identity? Descending from the Romans in some way (aside from pockets of exception like Basques). Of course such a hegemony was far from immediate or perfect, which is why Hitler didn't think he'd manage such a thing in the comparatively short span that was his remaining life.

Because they are American

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