Archie has officially cancelled Sonic The Hedgehog

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

Archie has officially cancelled Sonic The Hedgehog.

toonzone.net/archies-sonic-hedgehog-comic-officially-cancelled/

After 24 years of memorable storytelling, SEGA of America will conclude their Sonic the Hedgehog publishing partnership program with Archie Comics. This does not mark the end of Sonic in comics, but signifies SEGA of America’s decision to take a different direction for the series that will be announced at a later date. SEGA would like to thank Sonic’s amazing fans for their loyalty and passion over all the years. SEGA looks forward to providing more information soon.

There you have it folks.

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cbr.com/sega-idw-announce-sonic-comics/
twitter.com/IDWPublishing/status/888536084472352770
twitter.com/KenPenders/status/889166536887238656
archive.fo/vI4Cv
twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/889745270279475200
youtube.com/watch?v=igC6aTVmM7s&feature=youtu.be&t=3374

Mason Turner
Mason Turner

The final issue of Sonic Megadrive is now in limbo forever

Godfuckdammit.

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

What was the point of beating around the bush for so long?

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Maybe Sega's planning to announce something at Comic-con.

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

….Shit.

Honestly, I've never actually read the comics(a few here and there) but I like like expanded canon lores, less known characters getting more love, and alternative stories. I hope this isn't the end.

Benjamin Morris
Benjamin Morris

SEGA was probably negotiating with Archie to try and keep it going. It's a shame it ended this way. It'd have been nice if the rest of Mega Drive could've been released and the writers had been able to cobble together a conclusion for the main comic.

Carson Anderson
Carson Anderson

I can hear Penders laughing in the distance.

Dominic Edwards
Dominic Edwards

I WON HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

Bunnie Rabbot an Sally are gone forever now aren't they?

Henry Jackson
Henry Jackson

More than likely. Though now that the western comic is 'dead' Sega might actually pick the characters up for their games.

Companies can be petty about shot like that.

I miss yo City of Heroes…

Nathan Gomez
Nathan Gomez

Yep, and so are the rest of the freedom fighters and every other character introduced in the post-genesis wave universe..

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

At best, they'll get a cameo in a future game or whatever future comic adaptation SEGA works on.

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

Atleast we still have Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces!

Joseph Nguyen
Joseph Nguyen

Good riddance. It was an autistic train wreck. The only reason I see people whining about the death of this stupid comic is "Muh furry waifus!" And fuck Nicole she's the most overrated one despite being boring as fuck.

And before anyone says anything, remember if Sega wants a new Sonic Comic series they're still going to want their limiting rules in place. You can't do much with the ever uninteresting Sonic Team characters themselves.

This inevitably leads to the same problem Archie Sonic had, a bunch of OCs starting to get created and taking center stage. Honestly, Sonic sucks. Really he frankly does. The only thing he's good for is videogames…whenever they bother to make a decent one because Forces looks lousy and ironically it also has the OC bullshit in it.

Alexander Flores
Alexander Flores

Nice bait.

Luis Foster
Luis Foster

R.I.P. best eggman.

Gavin Sanders
Gavin Sanders

he's right though

Evan Young
Evan Young

I knew it was coming so I don't feel anything at all.

Luke Davis
Luke Davis

megaman still is officially 'on hiatus'

John Martin
John Martin

Fuck off CWC

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

seriously

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

It's dead.

Kevin Flores
Kevin Flores

Is SEGA of Japan still not allowed to use them?

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

It's more like they don't want to use them.

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

Fucking hell this is worse than the pendering, we'll never see the "forgotten" characters appear ever again.

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

Penders will ruin all the characters he has the rights to
SEGA will never buy up the rights to the rest of the comic OCs so Archie doesn't try anything stupid with them
It hurts just a little.

Dominic Parker
Dominic Parker

I have been a Honeyfag since 2008, so I'm sure you know how happy I was to see her become a cast member in the comic. Now look at this, I was excited to see her gain. Fuck, look how happy she looks. Now she'll never show up in any Sonic media ever again while we're stuck with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy forever.

David Jackson
David Jackson

Her human version is pretty great, too.

Kayden Phillips
Kayden Phillips

So, what publishing company picked up the license?

Juan Walker
Juan Walker

We don't know. We don't know if any even did yet. Just "Sonic won't disappear from comics" and "we're heading on a new direction".

Wyatt Russell
Wyatt Russell

Probably gonna be IDW

Easton Williams
Easton Williams

MLP crossover when?
Heh, Sonicdash OTP FUCK YOU YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT.
Fuck you Scoutdash is bestiality.

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

retard suits retard themselves to death
meanwhile, sperglord acts like the entire thing collapsed without him, when he was part of the problem
I don't think very many companies could be hated harder than Archie, to be honest.

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

I need a place to read this comic series. I've always shown an interest in it. But I never had a chance to read it outside of free comic book day issues and like randomly reading what copies I could run into. Also Sonic Comic humble Bundles which barely tap into the meat of the series. If it just so happens to have older fleetway Sonic comics that would be nice too.

Parker Jones
Parker Jones

I'd only read the first 50 issues, I have them all so I might put a torrent together.
getcomics.info/other-comics/sonic-the-hedgehog-1-273/

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

Crossover with CAREFUCKINBEAR

Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

There used to be a place that had every Sonic comic in existence from both Archie and Fleetway but ever since sales went down they decided to be cunts and take every issue down so sales could go up.

Henry Adams
Henry Adams

Go for it.

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

Thank you kindly user. Do you also have several of the spinoff issues like Megadrive and the Knuckles series?

Yeah I remember that. I was pretty mad. Especially since I KNEW the comic was going to die soon and wanted to read some more on the series. And they haven't updated the place since. Especially now that the comics are confirmed dead.

They deleted the fleetway comics too which made me really mad. Especially since Sonic the comic is still ongoing online. With none of the older issues for me to understand what the fuck was going on. Thankfully the site guys gave a nice overview but it isn't the same

Lucas Jenkins
Lucas Jenkins

Do you think they'll put everything back up now that it's officially ended?

Cooper Richardson
Cooper Richardson

Obligatory

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

favorite childhood comic kills itself
next morning favorite childhood band's singer kills himself

As if getting strep throat on my birthday (as my insurance expires) and missing out on my friends' party and getting fired last week wasn't shitty enough.

At least Mania's still a thing, I guess.

Luis Foster
Luis Foster

tails.kicks-ass.net right?

Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

<he liked linkin park
I'm sorry for your poor tastes as a kid.

Carson Martin
Carson Martin

Yeah that was the one.

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

I heard he thinks he can use the rest of the Archie OCs now that the comic's cancelled. I really hope he tries and gets legally fucked for it.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

It'll be IDW won't it? Boy, I can't wait for him to team up with the ponies, Doctor Who and Data to fight the aliens from Mars Attacks.

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

Most likely. Although I kinda want one of the big 2 to pick up the license just to see the shitshow.

Jordan Lopez
Jordan Lopez

tssznews.com/2017/07/21/bleedingcool-archie-comics-wont-show-face-at-sdcc-after-public-breakup-with-sega/

It just keeps getting better. Can't wait for Archie to finally die.

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

You have no idea how many times the publishers wanted to pull the plug on the book, even when I was working on it
even

Julian Richardson
Julian Richardson

DC is handling the HB comics very well, I'd be interested to see DC's Sonic The Hedgehog. It would be hilarious if he was integrated into the JL universe.

Jayden Torres
Jayden Torres

favorite childhood band's singer kills himself
At least there'll be no more sorrow now

Sebastian Martin
Sebastian Martin

Apparently Ian has been fired from Archie, does anyone have a source?

Hudson Allen
Hudson Allen

Ian is freelance, as are all the artists who worked on the book. He was never an Archie employee.

Ayden Smith
Ayden Smith

This made me feel so much better. Thank you.

Levi Bennett
Levi Bennett

DC is handling the HB comics very well

Is that sarcasm?

Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

YOU CALLED IT!

cbr.com/sega-idw-announce-sonic-comics/

Austin Barnes
Austin Barnes

twitter.com/IDWPublishing/status/888536084472352770
So it's been confirmed, I don't think anyone is surprised.

Hudson Barnes
Hudson Barnes

It will be shit because it's a Sonic Comic.
It was only ever good because of Ian Flynn

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

It will be shit because IDW. Enjoy Sonic becoming a SJW mouthpiece, autists. You should have let it die.

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

What the fuck does this have to do with us? This is entirely Segas doing

Henry Lewis
Henry Lewis

Well actually got there first. Still they seem to be the company publishing stories about everything that wasn't originally a comic. Them, Titan or DC Thomson.
DCT will never take over Fleetway's expired UK licence and punt out books reprinting thier entire story

Picks the worst two examples

Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

NO! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY DEAD!

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

We all knew this would happen

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

Never say never.

Wyatt Gutierrez
Wyatt Gutierrez

Maybe IDW will release it

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

Well, that was fast.

Jeremiah Torres
Jeremiah Torres

So, guesses on what the IDW comic will be like?
Gag oriented like Archie Sonic was in the early days
Straight adaptations of the games
Basically the same as Archie Sonic under Flynn but new OCs
All of the above

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

Well damn

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

IT BEGINS

Aaron Murphy
Aaron Murphy

Penders may be a talentless fuck, but he's apparently not that dumb. If you have the rights you get paid when people want to make money using your shit.

William Campbell
William Campbell

They rebooted the universe just to get away from him. Why the fuck does he think they'll need him now

Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

I still have all these Red Sonics, guys. Just give me a million bucks and complete control over everything. Come on, you can trust me!
Yeah, as if Sega would let that shit slide. They hated his ass since SatAM.
Because he apparently has it in his head that Sonic would completely fail without his convoluted bullshit.

Luke Collins
Luke Collins

Reminder, this idiot still wants to go after Bioware and Sega for Sonic Chronicles.

Because he's stupid. He honestly believes his shitty OCs and fanfiction lore are an incredibly valuable IPs.

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

Because he apparently has it in his head that Sonic would completely fail without his convoluted bullshit.
threadly reminder that he killed any possibility of a Sonic movie by dropping this bomb on SEGA execs.

Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

I still can't believe how irredeemably shit that game was. Like I honestly think it was worse than Sonic 06.

Angel Nelson
Angel Nelson

Why? He killed the Archie Sonic what more shouldn't he be satisfied?

Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

getout weeb
/h/index.html

/a/index.html

Christopher Roberts
Christopher Roberts

I posted an anti-anime image
???

Thomas Kelly
Thomas Kelly

Look at this delusion.

Julian Miller
Julian Miller

No one ever asked you to.

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

Fleetway is superior.

Nolan Foster
Nolan Foster

God. No wonder the fans and industry alike hate this cunt

James Rodriguez
James Rodriguez

He or it, as I'm 90% sure that this fag has a bot doesn't care. If it's anime, it getting an /a/index.html.
Honestly, it's a little annoying. Because you can't even post a reaction image without triggering >>>/a/fag.

Carter Cox
Carter Cox

When both the IP holder and the general fanbase agree you're a piece of shit, it really is time to stop talking.

Bentley White
Bentley White

Best case scenario would be a combination of your first and second guesses. Worst case scenario would be giving it to the same people who draw the characters they're given completely off-model and ignore the guidelines of what they're generally supposed to look like, AND can manage to fuck a evil mirror universe arc.

Cameron Ortiz
Cameron Ortiz

That's not even the tip of the iceberg

Hopefully, though considering IDW current run of other franchises, its does worry me a bit.

Oh boy, its the user that bitches about /a/ 24/7.

Levi Davis
Levi Davis

Will this guy EVER fuck off?
Seriously.

Adam Gray
Adam Gray

Why do you keep posting this image?

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

Personally, I'd want game adaptations and stuff like Flynn was writing but that could lead to the same mess that made people hate the Archie comics in the first place, at least if it's written poorly.

Noah Hughes
Noah Hughes

As long as Sega continues to make Sonic content, no.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

twitter.com/KenPenders/status/889166536887238656
View at your own risk.

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

Good lord.

Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

How long did he draw the Sonic book for?

Eli Peterson
Eli Peterson

From Issue 25 until he quit over a demotion because Sega called him a fucking retard.

Jack Cooper
Jack Cooper

How many years?

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

Some 12 at least. I want to say, from 94 to 06?

Colton Perez
Colton Perez

So, 12 years of drawing Sonic and this is his art?
No wonder they shitcanned him

Isaac Brooks
Isaac Brooks

He got worse at it, actually. He was never good, but this is actively worse than most of his stuff. He got complacent, basically, and going "I'm a veteran, I can draw how I like!"

And he never got shitcanned, it's more hilarious. The editor hired a fan to sort out the continuity mess of the comic, in what would later become the Sonic Comic Encyclopedia, and ended up also offering the fan to write a few stories. Penders got so huffy about sharing head writer role he quit, expecting them to immediately go "no, no don't go, here, we'll pay you more to stay!"

They never did.

Jose Myers
Jose Myers

Honestly, I'm willing to bet that Flynn getting brought on was just a convenient excuse, since I believe Sega was actually going to enforce style guidelines at the same time, meaning Penders would have to draw on-model or fuck off regardless.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

He'd probably have gotten shitcanned anyway, yes, as SEGA was about to enforce their guidelines after they saw the infamous cover that's coincidentially being used as the OP image here and went "wait is this a comic of Sonic cry- WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HOLD ON". But point is, he wasn't, because he quit before he could be fired, thinking he'd quickly be asked back. And never was. Just another example of his arrogance.

Wyatt Bell
Wyatt Bell

Well, at least there's no danger of Sega filing a copyright infringement claim against him

Kayden Rivera
Kayden Rivera

Why? He killed the Archie Sonic what more shouldn't he be satisfied?
Archie killed it. The entire company is going out of business under current management. The humongous fanboy hate boner for Penders is amusing though. Maybe Archie wouldn't have settled with him if they knew they didn't break the law.

Hudson Flores
Hudson Flores

He got worse at it, actually. He was never good, but this is actively worse than most of his stuff. He got complacent, basically, and going "I'm a veteran, I can draw how I like!"

And he never got shitcanned, it's more hilarious. The editor hired a fan to sort out the continuity mess of the comic, in what would later become the Sonic Comic Encyclopedia, and ended up also offering the fan to write a few stories. Penders got so huffy about sharing head writer role he quit, expecting them to immediately go "no, no don't go, here, we'll pay you more to stay!"

They never did.
this sounds like a bullshit version of what happened to make one party look better than the other, Archie were and still are greedy jews, you need to keep that in mind

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

Oh I know Archie were greedy jews- I don't buy the "the contract was burned in a fire" shit, for an example. But Penders is a greedy arrogant jew too. Really, in the end, the whole thing was an absurd shitshow of arrogant idiots with some decent people mixed in- Jon Gray, who sadly grew up into a full on black sjw, Ian Flynn, so on.

Josiah Smith
Josiah Smith

Oh I know Archie were greedy jews- I don't buy the "the contract was burned in a fire" shit, for an example. But Penders is a greedy arrogant jew too. Really, in the end, the whole thing was an absurd shitshow of arrogant idiots with some decent people mixed in- Jon Gray, who sadly grew up into a full on black sjw, Ian Flynn, so on.
Is it some kind of meme to pretend to be a fan of this comic and want Penders to die? Because as far as I can tell, the comic was all Penders before Flynn, and Flynn was specifically a fanboy of Penders. I would be more willing to buy this narrative if Archie's history wasn't full of people who got rail roaded and treated like garbage after breaking their backs for the company while the owners got rich. Research the Dan DeCarlo fiasco as a good example, which involved a similar lawsuit. Also Archie Comics was behind the CCA. That's something no one ever talks about anymore.

Anthony Cruz
Anthony Cruz

He even thinks he owns Sonic recolors? What the hell!?

Caleb Edwards
Caleb Edwards

I don't get your point. Do you need me to specify "Penders is a delusional cunt, but legally he was correct, and I'm not trying to excuse Archie"?

Mason Ramirez
Mason Ramirez

Human version of Knuckles is a black guy
…I'm suprisingly ok with this

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

Penders
the victim

Ken Penders sued Archie and Sega purely to exert control over Sonic the Hedgehog, and won. At that point, most people negotiate for royalties or recognition, but not Penders. His demands amounted to royalties and creative control over the book.

You can read it from the horse's mouth here
archive.fo/vI4Cv

Penders is an arrogant, delusional autist who wanted to control something he had no part in creating. Stating that fact isn't support of Archie. If anything, it's an indictment of Archie that they allowed that human-shaped malignant tumor to act like he owned Sonic the Hedgehog.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

So with the cancellation of the comic does he still retain the right to the shit he argued over in court?
Is this like F4 comic being cancelled because of licensing?

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

What exactly is his thought process here? Why does he think he owns Knuckles recolors?

Joseph Gomez
Joseph Gomez

IIRC when he introduced a new character he filed a trademark so when he got fired/quit he took it all with him and then got into a legal slap fight with sega and archie.

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

Why does he think he owns Knuckles recolors?
Autism

Isaac James
Isaac James

He still says he owns everything that had to be ripped out before the reboot. The only 'original' character that is even possibly safe to use anymore is Scourge, and even that is still disputed by the autistic fuck.

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

But how can you, for example, trademark an 'evil' Sonic? Can I trademark and evil version of Micky Mouse?

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

It would have to be legally distinct from the source material if you want to avoid the legal team of the copyright holder so I don't think you call anything "evil name". I think the only reason he was able to get away with it was that archie wasn't able to produce the work for hire form. With it they could have proven that all works created by him would have been legally owned by sega and avoided this whole mess in the first place.

Daniel Thompson
Daniel Thompson

Scrolling through his Twatter account it seems he was arguing over IDW using scourge with some other autist. Penders got quiet when it was mentioned that once the 'evil sonic' Character became Scourge, he was basically a recolor of evil Sonic that Penders had no control over. Penders didn't reply, which is telling. It could mean there may be a loophole for at least one pre-boot character.

Michael Watson
Michael Watson

The funny bit is that Penders keeps talking about wanting to make a deal with SEGA. He has no idea what burning bridges means.

Owen Ortiz
Owen Ortiz

893658
It's from yesterday or the day before, so you won't have to scroll long.

Benjamin Lee
Benjamin Lee

Msn thats thorny

Carson Lewis
Carson Lewis

At a minimum, you'd have to give 'Scourge' a different origin story so that he was never evil Sonic, but that might work.

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

I still don't understand how someone can get the copyright on an evil version of a character they don't own. That's like copyrighting bearded Spock.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

That's just how fucked up the copyright and tradmark system is in the US.

Hunter Long
Hunter Long

You can't. Filing a copyright with the US copyright office isn't the same as owning the copyright. The problem is that Archie and SEGA ignored his filing. Then, when it went to court, Archie ended up settling to avoid a protracted and expensive legal battle. Had they fought they probably would have won, there are laws on the books regarding derivative characters.

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

This is part of why people are assuming Scourge *might* be safe to use with some changes to his backstory. Penders can't possibly have any rights to an evil Sonic, and even if he did, there is no chance he could have any rights over a recolor of said character he didn't make.

Easton Hill
Easton Hill

Any records of it in particular?

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Wait. If this is Penders' own artwork, it suggests that the creepy-ass Lara-Su Chronicles concept art was his, or at least, that the CGI artist was on model.

Jeremiah Sanchez
Jeremiah Sanchez

Whenever Penders trys to draw Sonic characters, they end up right in the middle of the uncanny valley.

Colton Miller
Colton Miller

Penders charged a fan money for this
A fan actually paid money for this

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

We truly live in a Brave New World

Sebastian Clark
Sebastian Clark

The funny bit is that Penders keeps talking about wanting to make a deal with SEGA. He has no idea what burning bridges means.
Honestly, I hope this happens just because the salt form Sanic autistis would be biblical. I still think it's hilarious he won his lawsuit against Archie.

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

Thank Disney.

John Reed
John Reed

He sued SEGA too. He is NEVER going to work with or for them ever again, no matter what he thinks.

Jose Rodriguez
Jose Rodriguez

It's amazing to me how he killed his golden goose for some donuts

Brayden Torres
Brayden Torres

He didn't even really hurt Sega, they were never going to use any of his characters in a Sonic game anyway. It was more of a pain in the ass for Archie, but the ones he really hurt were the fans of the comic. He likes to talk about how he stood up for his rights, but what about the people who actually made his work matter? He fucked them harder than anyone.

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

He didn't even really hurt Sega, they were never going to use any of his characters in a Sonic game anyway. It was more of a pain in the ass for Archie, but the ones he really hurt were the fans of the comic. He likes to talk about how he stood up for his rights, but what about the people who actually made his work matter? He fucked them harder than anyone.
Making comics for a living is a really shitty job. Honestly, some people in Holla Forums have no self awareness. Archie doesn't even have full time employees, they have third party contractors so they can bleed them dry. Imagine working a job for over a decade without being a full time employee. I'd be fine with the Penders bashing but it all it boils down to is autistic rage about their autistic crappy lore being messed up.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

People invested in a long running story get upset when, after hundreds of issues, some autist forces company to retconn everything and start over from scratch while erasing literally dozens of characters.

What a bunch of assholes! I mean Penders didn't do nuthin.

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

No one's saying that working with Archie was easy for him or that he didn't get fucked over by them, but that doesn't excuse him being a prick in general.

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

Oh fuck you and your hate-boner for Archie. Anything remotely Archie related you just have to shove your throbbing hard-on into, going on and on about how Archie is bad. The only problem is that every bad thing Archie has done is what every fucking comic company done. It can't be particular to Archie if it's fucking industry standard.

And yes, working in comics is a shitty job, which is what makes Ken Penders' case so mindblowingly arrogant. Here he wins his case, something old-school work-for-hire types used to dream of, and instead of immediately negotiating a royalty, he demands creative control over the fucking book. He just took a situation where he would be able to get income and threw it in the trash because "muh ego".

I need to be very clear here: Penders didn't demand that he have control over a book about Lara-Su or any of the other 224 characters he created. He demanded control over, basically, the Sonic The Hedgehog comic itself. His entire case wasn''t to get his characters back. It was a scheme to force himself back into Archie, sans any editorial, or even executive, control.

William James
William James

It gets worse. He thinks that he owns Eggman since his personal headcanon is that Eggman is "a robotic Robotnik from another world." Yes, this is something he actually argued in court.
He demanded control over, basically, the Sonic The Hedgehog comic itself.
And arguably, control over the direction of the entire franchise, using Sonic Chronicles as a bludgeon.

Ethan King
Ethan King

Oh fuck you and your hate-boner for Archie. Anything remotely Archie related you just have to shove your throbbing hard-on into, going on and on about how Archie is bad.
I barely post here. I don't think I even opened up Holla Forums for over a month. Do you seriously think I'm the only person who thinks this about Archie? Their reputation has been shit for decades. Almost everyone who has worked there and left talks badly about them.

Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith

Can't one hate Archie AND Penders?

Henry Ross
Henry Ross

Now, yes.

Caleb Rodriguez
Caleb Rodriguez

Archie is bad, yes, but you can't just put all the blame on Archie. Penders is also part of the problem. To be honest I really want to see SEGA burn the entire Sonic old comic continuity to the ground and start fresh and new. This is why I actually support their decision to move to IDW.

I know that making comic without editors sounds freeing to you, but it's pretty idealistic view. Only small handful of people successfully did that. The problem is the majority of comic artists and writers went over their head when writing their stories and lores it ended up a jumbled mess.

Sometimes, editorial is a necessary evil.

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

We can't have both sadly.

Ryder Gomez
Ryder Gomez

diva-isnous

What's that even supposed to mean?

Evan Walker
Evan Walker

I think she's a diva? And devious? And Penders is autistic? That's some Chris-Chan level wordplay.

Alexander Williams
Alexander Williams

I tried…

Ryder Watson
Ryder Watson

Archie is bad, yes, but you can't just put all the blame on Archie. Penders is also part of the problem. To be honest I really want to see SEGA burn the entire Sonic old comic continuity to the ground and start fresh and new. This is why I actually support their decision to move to IDW.

You're using Penders as a skapegoat becuase he's the fandumb punching bag. Archie lost the license because Archie as a company is going out of business because of mismanagement by John Goldwater, who inherited the company through bloodline succession. While the Penders stuff was a shit show I seriously doubt that's the main reasons. Archie's sales have completely collapsed and people in the business world are aware of this. Certain Archie titles are printed like once a year at this point.

I know that making comic without editors sounds freeing to you, but it's pretty idealistic view. Only small handful of people successfully did that.

Total falsehood. The biggest and most successful market for comics is Asia, and manga faces far less editorial interference than US comics. The problem is US comics is a scam where companies like Archie use creative talent like big corporate fruit farms in California use migrant Mexican workers. In that context, I'm fine with someone like Penders throwing a wrench in their system and forcing them to actually make an attempt to follow employment laws.

Tyler Murphy
Tyler Murphy

thread talking about how Penders is a piece of shit
literally cannot stop bitching about how archie is bad, even though /co already knows how bad archie is and knows that everything they've done is industry standard

Just shut the fuck up already. You have nothing new to the conversation, you fucking casual.

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

The thread was about Archie ending the Sonic comic, and then autists derailed it to how Penders is Saddam Hussein or something even though he hasn't been on the comic for years. I gave the real reasons the comic was canned, but you can't think about anything other than Penders. If the IDW comic fails, I'm sure that will be Penders' fault as well. Usually these conversations are just a circle jerk, so maybe not sperg out so bad that I gave an alternate opinion and discussed the actual OP.

Jonathan Rogers
Jonathan Rogers

Maybe it's a synonym for goblin face

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

getout dambass motherfacker weeb and faggot

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

It hurts to live.

Jose Peterson
Jose Peterson

That is just a creepy Knuckles! He uis even wearing a hat like the one he wore in the old OAV.

Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell

Daily reminder that Ken Penders is a hack that couldn't peddle his OC native American astronauts shaman comic idea to anyone which is why he latched onto a completely unrelated and original comic, proceeding to turn it into said comic about native american shaman astronauts using Echidnas this time, when his amazing idea in the form of Knuckles spin off GOT CANCELLED BECAUSE OF LOW SALES like any responsible professional and taking the fucking hint, he then proceeded to shovel his manure of an idea onto the main line comic, turning it into the trainwreck that it would become up until he got fucking demoted for his brilliant idea of having SONIC THE FUCKING HEDGEHOG curled up in a fetal position crying like a bitch after getting literally cucked by princess Sally, and turning the comic into "Knuckles the echidna and this relatives" featuring Sonic the hedgehog from the Sonic the hedgehog series.

Camden Hall
Camden Hall

when his amazing idea in the form of Knuckles spin off GOT CANCELLED BECAUSE OF LOW SALES
Thanks in part to Walmart actually breaking off their distribution contract with Archie over a particular issue of said spin off.

Logan Brown
Logan Brown

Oh, and let's not put the entire blame on Penders. I mean, it's not his fault that his editor for his last 8 years at Archie was a lazy slob who actively encouraged all the writers to suck his dick while his only mandate was "make everything high school drama." Yeah, I don't think he was expecting the Archie offices to devolve into actual high school drama.

Caleb Fisher
Caleb Fisher

Thanks in part to Walmart actually breaking off their distribution contract with Archie over a particular issue of said spin off.
Go on…

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

There really isn't much to tell about it. Issue about the "Life Touch," basically a speech about the Birds and the Bees, soccer moms got asshurt, Walmart listened to the soccer moms because this was the late 90's and unless you were Pokemon, you were going to get your ass blacklisted.

Jaxson Cruz
Jaxson Cruz

no user I've seen in the sanic comics before, he not a sonic

No, unlike evil Spock, he own character with a backstory, history and ect. if they tried to copyrighting a sonic but evil clone of you're self then maybe but there are other character like evil deadpool that would count as there own. So it guess its more to do with really minor or extra being copyrighted, or you making bull up to make yourself look cool like a redditor.

Juan Wood
Juan Wood

They haven't been good since 2012. Especially after they ended their Popeye run.

Carson Wilson
Carson Wilson

Thanks in part to Walmart actually breaking off their distribution contract with Archie over a particular issue of said spin off.
Remember when Walmart kicked out super hero comics in the 90's because Christian groups complained? Walmart fucking sucks. I wouldn't blame this on Penders for referencing sex. Archie has editors for crying out loud.

Elijah Cooper
Elijah Cooper

They had a popeye run?

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

actually defending Penders solely because he's a white autist
Could this user actually be Penders?

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

Who would fucking pay for this? Also, he has fans?

Isaac Morgan
Isaac Morgan

Yes, and it was great and faithful to the source material. It was as if EC Segar and the Fleischers came back from the grave to make more Popeye media. The OG Wottasnozzle bonus stories were hit or miss though.

Hunter Barnes
Hunter Barnes

first pic
Anyone willing to storytime?

Brayden Kelly
Brayden Kelly

Archie has editors for crying out loud.
And surprisingly, they managed to find the shittiest editor of them all. Someone who outright refused to do anything more than add a couple back issue references and tell the Off-Panel artist to make a comic about how cool he is. Seriously, he didn't give a single shit that three of the writers were retconning each other every other issue in some petty power struggle for years. I'm honestly surprised Sega didn't straight-up can the comic when they found out the shit Archie pulled, but I suppose that after Sonic 06, they had to take what they could get.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

Of course he's Penders

Brayden Perry
Brayden Perry

Id be up for some Popeye

Jackson Cook
Jackson Cook

IDW

Zachary Evans
Zachary Evans

Its a 50/50 deal

Jaxon Lopez
Jaxon Lopez

Don't forget the pandering gay walrus sex.

OH FUCK NO!

Kayden Hughes
Kayden Hughes

Before the pendering I remember a lot of his fans on Deviantart were begging him to do something about the comic because they hated the robotisized Sally arc.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

Here we go.

Henry Nelson
Henry Nelson

invested in Sonic

Holy shit, you cannot possibly be a bigger autist. Even CWC isn't crying his eyes out over this shit like you.

Josiah Myers
Josiah Myers

Bumping for a storytime.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

What's wrong in being invested in Sonic?

Evan Richardson
Evan Richardson

Sonic is the vidya equivalent of MLP, and the shitty comic was even worse autistic fanfic bullshit than the games could dream of being.

Leo Robinson
Leo Robinson

The solution as always is head canon.

Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

On his podcast the BumbleKast, Ian Flynn stated, "I would dare say that if you go through the book since the reboot, you could probably make a case for [Sally and Nicole being in a romantic relationship]." Shortly after the Archie series' cancellation, he confirmed on Twitter that he and Aleah Baker had intentionally written this romance into the book.

Meet our newest Lesbian converts.

Aaron Cox
Aaron Cox

And more good things continue to be ruined.

Luke Lee
Luke Lee

twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/889745270279475200
youtube.com/watch?v=igC6aTVmM7s&feature=youtu.be&t=3374
Here's the sources.

Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

To think if the comic wasn't forced to end we would have ended up with Korrasami 2.0.

Jose Young
Jose Young

blatant
Ian, please.

Levi Morales
Levi Morales

Oh my gahhh, he actually got Batman's mask wrong.

Andrew Williams
Andrew Williams

People pay money for this
People pay good money for this

Jose Rogers
Jose Rogers

Is his only exposure to Batman the Michael Keaton films?

Julian Nguyen
Julian Nguyen

The Keaton costume didn't look like that. Penders just straight fucked it up because he can't fucking draw

Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

THIS PLEASES ME.

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

why

Elijah Cooper
Elijah Cooper

Back in middle school there was a youtube channel the scanned in every comic. I think it was called Soniccomicworld. But after he got every single comic up archie took him down. If you look it up their might be some mirrors here and there. Though who ever ran that channel was clearly autistic.
Top 10 hottest sonic characters.
I-It was just a j-joke you guise.

Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

I hate this "reveal" for the exact same reason I hate Korrasami, it's out of nowhere and has no real build up. Except unlike Korrasami where Korra and Asami almost never interacted this is using the various interactions Sally and NICOLE had and claiming "subtext". It's the laziest fucking thing and it always bothers me when media turns a long running character guy for no damn reason. Even Spark of Life, which was the most NICOLE focused chapter never read as gay, just close friends, exactly like they always have. I don't hate Ian but that subtext bullshit is just as bad as Penders saying he planned for Rotor to be gay after he left the book. If you want gay characters introduce them, don't take a long time straight character and make them game, or at the least don't half ass it and claim subtext where there is none. I hope that if Ian goes to IDW he drops that shit should the SATam characters return.

Logan Mitchell
Logan Mitchell

So the western Sonic fandom is screaming at IDW to keep the Freedom Fighters and all the old Archie crew, and IDW says it's "paying attention". Not sure how I feel about this.

Ethan Allen
Ethan Allen

They are going to lesbo the fuck out of Sally now.

Connor Cox
Connor Cox

Despite the whole Sally/Nicole situation, I think he's still the best bet so far for the comic. I'm worried most other people brought on either wouldn't know how to write the characters or would go all Penders again and bloat the comic with stupid shit no one else would let them write.

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

Please no, even as a Sallyfag I'd prefer her to be left out of the new IDW run.

Jace Morgan
Jace Morgan

I don't know, this is how it starts just look at the Korrasami thing. Ian has made SJW statements before but now he went out of his way to say reboot Sally and Nicole are lesbians for each other. Seeing what IDW did to Transformers I can see him having free reign to do whatever he wants there.

Adrian Barnes
Adrian Barnes

Ian Flynn
SJW statements
It may not surprise you to find out he's a goon.

Connor Barnes
Connor Barnes

It always comes back to somethingawful, doesn't it?

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

I don't think Ian would get free reign at IDW- SEGA seems extra anal about how they want Sonic handled. I heard they even had a rule for Forces that the player's OC couldn't look cooler than Sonic. If they're that specific, I couldn't see them letting anyone hired by IDW do whatever they want with the comic.

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

Would they really care if two characters that didn't come from their own shitty lore end up as carpet munchers?

Nicholas Reed
Nicholas Reed

I told you assholes that Ian would infect the comics sooner or later with SJW bullshit but did you believe me?

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

If their carpet munching is cutting into Sonic's spotlight, yes.

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

As much as I hate this kind of pandering, I agree.

Making Sally and Nicloe lezzies for each other is actually kind of stupid given that its an anthro chipmunk in a relationship with a sentient computer program.

Despite that, it actually keeps Sally from being a romantic plot tumor for Sonic and increases the chance for Sonic x Blaze in the new comics

Ryder Powell
Ryder Powell

Which I guarantee will happen after seeing the latest Korra comic.

Robert Butler
Robert Butler

Depends, how steady are the sales.

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

What the fuck is that what he actually looks like now?

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

indifferent game company allows baka gaijin to hijack their series to be about his crummy pet project that no one cared about
why does this keep happening

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

indifferent game company
You've answered your own question

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

Would they really care if two characters that didn't come from their own shitty lore end up as carpet munchers?
I'm pretty sure Sega had a specific no gay policy for the comics. It's why Rotor or Mighty couldn't be explicitly gay.

Bentley Jenkins
Bentley Jenkins

Some people dont age well.

Logan Mitchell
Logan Mitchell

Most companies had one back then.

Jeremiah Turner
Jeremiah Turner

No kidding he looks like one of those ugly guys from hentai.

Christopher Reyes
Christopher Reyes

He looks like a an over grown goblin.

Landon Young
Landon Young

Sonic x Blaze

Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

He looks like someone from the sex offender registry.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

everyone who was a milquetoast motherfucker, or a goon, or a trollshielding faggot in the early to mid 2000's became an SJW.

Get laid, kids, or else you'll become a cuck.

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

Given how SEGA was on Archie's ass, I highly doubt IDW is going to get away with doing much other than spouting retarded shit on twitter like Ian has been doing.

Naturally he's saying this shit now that he is no longer bound to any SEGA contracts as his time with archie and SEGA, are over.

Who's to really say they would have ended up gay in the comics? SEGA would not allow that shit. No romance, after all. In fact, with the last arc, it seemed like Sally/Nicole, etc were already being written out by the time the comic ended.

SEGA wants nothing to do with SATAM, Archie, or any fucking side characters. Japan Sonic became the official canon in 1998, the western publications have just been fighting it.

The only other canon that exists is Sonic Boom, which exists in its own self-contained universe.

Aaron Jackson
Aaron Jackson

To be honest while I liked the satam characters I think it would be best if we were to move on. It's been two decades since that show got canceled.

James Reyes
James Reyes

This shit.

I watched SATAM when I was 6 years old.

I'm 30 now. I saw it again for nostalgia's sake and realized I was only clinging to it like I did archie comics up until Sonic Adventure (and SEGA bringing the Japanese canon to the west)because it was the only Sonic cartoon and sonic storyline we got in the US.

It was shit, even with rose tinted glasses, reeked up typical DiC adaptations to other franchises and basic plot structure.

The only thing that made it somewhat good was Ben Hurst's writing, and Jim Cummings' voice acting.

As an adult I can appreciate AoSTH more than SatAM. It didn't pretend to take itself too seriously.

I see those cartoons as the western media moguls trying to filter a foreign property out for western kids not realizing that kids can adapt better than they can to new ideas.

If IDW continues the Archie storyline, it will fail, not to mention Mr. Penders will probably sue them claiming that Ben Hurst would want him to sue to protect the freedom fighters or some lame shit.

IDW is better off listening to SEGA and not trying to repeat the mistakes Archie, DiC, and early Sega of America made in the 90's by trying to be all like "Hello fellow kids" and push some stupid bullshit that appeals to them more than what the property owner and the audience really fucking want.

The sonic boom writers are the first motherfuckers who get it. They know the source material is shit, and they have gone nuts with it. Kind of like how the AoSTH writers understood enough that sonic was a bit of an asshole with a heart of gold.

Not some princess saving loyalist faggot bent on serving a king voiced by urkel.

Nolan Peterson
Nolan Peterson

He looks like he's going tranny. Was Lara-Su his self-insert?

Zachary Scott
Zachary Scott

Your eyes must be broken.
He looks like Chester the molester.

Josiah Ortiz
Josiah Ortiz

Who?

Lucas Hernandez
Lucas Hernandez

No that was Knuckles. Originally, anyway.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

Rotor wasn't explicitly gay because Penders was retarded. I mean, SEGA probably wouldn't have liked it either, but Penders kept it as "hints" that made no sense regardless.

Never heard anything about Mighty being gay.

Adrian Flores
Adrian Flores

Could be, wouldn't sunrise anyone really.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

Oh my. Google says Hustler ran a comic strip for years called "Chester the Molester", and then the cartoonist got done for child molestation.
WOW AWKWARD.

Storytime when?

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

If IDW continues the Archie storyline, it will fail, not to mention Mr. Penders will probably sue them claiming that Ben Hurst would want him to sue to protect the freedom fighters or some lame shit.
IDW should hire Penders just becuase it would make the autists sperg out and go on autist shooting sprees.

The sonic boom writers are the first motherfuckers who get it. They know the source material is shit, and they have gone nuts with it. Kind of like how the AoSTH writers understood enough that sonic was a bit of an asshole with a heart of gold.

Oh fuck off. Not treating the material seriously and doing meta shit is dime of dozen. A cartoon taking it seriously would be a breath of fresh air at this point versus the postmodern hipster meme shit that is everywhere now.

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

The sonic boom writers are the first motherfuckers who get it.
Sonic Boom was special because it's one of the few modern cartoons to understand its limitation of animation budget prevents serious storytelling. And so goes for a more humerous approach. And it works as it has a lot of material to work with. Also the writers actually have a sense of humor.

Trust me if it had a budget it probably would have gunned for a more fleshed out concrete series. And Sonic Booms setting I think is good enough of a reboot-verse to have a nice comfortable new universe to develop.

I just like the idea of a Sonic the hedgehog verse based off of the games, or the Boom series or the Archie series. They have enough strange and wonderful material to do so. I just want a good sonic comic series. Just give it to me goddamn it. I've read fanfics that are better than this.

Kayden Phillips
Kayden Phillips

Good for them its a shame they wont get a third season.

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

W-What…?

Jason Nguyen
Jason Nguyen

I am not fucking surprise considering the safe space and circlejerk environment he developed over at his bumbleking forums.

On one hand, that means no needless pandering or virtue signalling bs, but on the other, if the comic happens to get a good writer who isn't into that kind of shit, he'll be severely limited to what he can do with pre-existing characters like Shadow. One of the few things I legit liked about Archie was that it gave Shadow's story closure by allowing him to find a descendant of Maria and thus giving him something new to fight for and protect. As well as the whole Shard the Metal Sonic thing.

Just forced shit on his part since the cartoons clearly showed that the walrus wanted a robot waifu. Shit new AI gfs were the future.

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

I fucking knew you were here Penders, you piece of shit.

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

Why are there so many deleted posts in this thread?

John Parker
John Parker

Sonic x Blaze
Sonic Rush Adventure sank that ship faster than that iceberg sank the Titanic.
inb4 it was a fire

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

This. Also
SEGA wants nothing to do with SATAM
About damn time. Only good thing that ever came from that shit was Bunnie and Antoine (it'll be a shame to see those two go, but I guess its worth it to not have that extra baggage and the Archie lore that is now sadly tied to it). Everything else aside from Bunnie and Antoine were shit, especially Snively, not sure why they kept trying to make him relevant, even his design didn't fit with the rest of the characters. Although I wouldn't put it past them to try and introduce donut steal versions of the SatAM characters. Although, I can see them giving Amy most of Sally's past traits since that seems to be what Forces is doing with her.

Oliver Nguyen
Oliver Nguyen

As much as I want Archie Sonic to continue. You have a point. If a new company was to handle this it'd be best to just drop it all and start something new. The baggage from the old comics is too great of a burden. From both the fans and Sega. So I can completely understand if they start from scratch. Might have to weather the autistic fanbase for a bit before they get the ball rolling but that's part of the fun.

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

The current rumor is that it's going to be a hard reboot, so Archie stuff is probably done anyway.

Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

I imagine it'll be based strictly on the current games

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

Probably

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

I hope so. Starts completely new and fresh.

Nolan Phillips
Nolan Phillips

The best case scenario.

Logan Hughes
Logan Hughes

Japan Sonic
Sucks, and always has. SATAM/Archie has always been superior, even with all of Penders' faggoty ideas polluting it.

Kayden Cook
Kayden Cook

About damn time. Only good thing that ever came from that shit was Bunnie and Antoine
not being a Sallyfag

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

too bad for him that Evil the Character isn't copyrightable

Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

SATAM/Archie has always been superior
Lol, no

Xavier Cook
Xavier Cook

if you think furniggers on mobius featuring sonic the hedgehog and a fat fuck dictator who calls himself Dr. Robotnik.

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

is superior, then yes.

Carson Reyes
Carson Reyes

What happened to the posts about how they Korrasami'd Sally and Nicole?

Henry Rivera
Henry Rivera

bump

Sebastian Powell
Sebastian Powell

hand rubbing intensifies

Tyler Gonzalez
Tyler Gonzalez

Why?

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