Kibbutz are jewish socialist communities. In 2010, there were 270 kibbutzim in Israel. Their factories and farms account for 9% of Israel's industrial output, worth US$8 billion, and 40% of its agricultural output, worth over $1.7 billion.
Maytronics is a brand made in a kibbutz. The boss is paid the equivalent of 800€, the same as the workers.
>source : France Info and en.wikipedia.org
Makes you think. There are some such communities where you can volunteer in the summer, and learn stuff.
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documentary about the education of children in kibbutz : Children of the Sun - imdb.com
Children were mostly separated from their parents, on purpose. Son of abusive parents, I find this quite nice.
The documentary apparently is centered in interview of adults who have grown up in a Kibbutz. I hear they're bittersweet about it. Through search engine I can't find a critic of the film telling me if it is or is not a violent charge against socialist education. If it is, I won't lose my time, I'm so tired of daily capitalist propaganda. I just want to see a positive film about a successful attempt at something else. (like the documentaries on the Sumerhill school in Great Britain)
Check this out. The whole series is on Youtube and made me desperately want to move to East Wind.
Yeah but it's all built on STOLEN LAND you imperialist warmongers.
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The delusional Kibbutz movement is dead. Everyone has given up on it, and the Israeli state is run by open fascists. You can't build socialism in an imperialist colony.
Are you guys serious?
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nice, will try to make time to watch this.
i'm sure
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Yes I'm fucking serious. What part of this statement is wrong?
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Something I've always wondered: Given the prosperity, size, and influence of kibbutzim within Israel (especially early in its history), why didn't they outcompete and dominate the rest of the country?
They remain a prestigious fixture of Israel, even after their ideological decay in the 1980s, but even watered-down versions of their cooperative practices have failed to thoroughly penetrate the rest of Isreal's society or economy.
Well, on the radio they said that kibbutzim have had to adapt, because the youth left them, leaving only old people.
So now there are kibbutzim where a couple can choose to live in a separate house, and earn more if they work more.
Interesting, I didn't know that.
It's funny how Americans are still terrified of communism, so CNN, often trustworthy, has to lie in this article from beginning to end.
Based on communism. Not on "the ideals of the Soviet Union" (booh : S█████ is the friend of our arch enemy!)
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I laughed hard, because I know the figures I posted in OP, proving the kibbutz movement is not only alive and kicking, it's a great part of the Israel economy and exports.
It's a shame that there is only lies in the USA dictatorship. Enslaved americans are taught that there is absolutely no alternative to being the 1%'s little bitch.
Well at least a few people have read this thread.
I'd love to volunteer if I can find a non-jewish version. Permaculture communities, something along those lines.
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this quote was good though,
Israeli here. The Kibbutzim have never been *that* successful, they were a good way for the early Zionists to take over a lot of land and build a national community that would not fall apart due to external economic pressure, but economically they were only partially-successful and even that for only a while. Because of their prestige and role in founding Israel, they became very powerful and got a lot of lands, grants, positions of power etc. from the state, but once they started failing and Israel faced an economic crisis in the early 1980's they were stripped of a lot of that, and without all of this special support they became weak and started to fail. Nowadays most of them have been privatized.
Nowadays that they are mostly privatized they are pretty shitty, btw. Most of them employ (collectively employ, that is the entire Kibbutz employs together a bunch of workers) mostly migrant workers who receive no minimum wage, no pension, no paid leave, are overworked and so on. The reason they are still important economically is because of that, that they became powerful capitalists.
What lessons do you think can be learned for future efforts in this area, like Argentine Recovered Factories, or Kurdish Rojava, to prevent such corruption, and allow them to better compete against capitalist adversaries in the market?
All the Kibbutzim failed, their factories are manned by Arabs who have to spend an hour getting through the wall back home everyday like everything else in Israel. The only reason to volunteer over the summer is to get some North Shore Long Island JAP poon.
1. More planned (and better planned, also) economics. Not just bubbles of workers' self-management, but actually integrating everything into a wider network of production.
2. A state that supports those initiatives actively. Now, the Israeli state did use to support the Kibbutzim strongly, but what they did was they just gave them extra power over land and resources and politics and so on rather than create the infrastructure that could help build up those communities and make them successful and self-sustaining (which didn't happen with the Kibbutzim, who just became more and more capitalist, started employing wage-laborers and so on, rather than strengthened their own worker-managed enterprises. The result was that the Kibbutzim were not sustainable on their own and relied heavily on the state, while failing to adapt properly to a more modernized economy because the infrastructure for that was never provided).
Other than that the Kibbutzim specifically made their own unique shitty dumb decisions. Such as putting kids in children's home instead of letting them stay with their parents, which just led to a generation of kids who hated their parents and so didn't want to live in the same place and moved out of the kibbutz. Or putting too much emphasis on agriculture (at one point the kibbutzim envisioned that 27% of the Israeli population would work in agriculture, which is crazy for a modern industrialized state).