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Well I wanted to have a discussion. All I got was tears.

At least one of you wanted to engage so I'll wait for him.

Are you proud of how little you're helping?
Don't bump this pathetic rubbish.

Nigger, Trump wants to abolish the minimum wage.

Ah, right. Cain and Abel were brothers. And I'm not a vegetarian.

Hello, Ukraine. I thought you already had your "class" war.

Who? And he wasn't Left. He is centrist.

I think I've read it all before. Oh, right. 1930s.

First time it's a tragedy, second time it's a farce, eh?

Redpill yourself.

How about you reply to me for a second instead of raging; where's the old left?
The one in Greece took 6 months to become from old to modern cucks that give you gay marriage and sell off the entire country's assets to foreign capitalists.

What's left? Their brothers Podemos in Spain and the communists in Portugal. That's it.

There's nothing left of you. Old left parties get 1-2% at the elections and they are still heavily influenced by progressivism.

You are a socially-conservative right-wing state capitalist. You should vote Hillary since she wants big government too.

Democratic Socialism is to the left of you, so calling S█████ a centrist is you just being a monkey.

Literally, any form of Socialism is to the left of Stalinists, stop throwing poop.

I think he should consider an alternative treatment, possibly.

And you post the Soviet symbol with it. Pot, kettle, black.

There's a fair difference between modern nationalists and old fascists.

N.1) None of modern far right party is a militarist one or warmongering one.
N.2) Unlike the 30s, most nationalist parties across Europe like each other now, so they aren't going to start wars.
N.3) There are no longer border issues as primary election tantrum. Nobody cares. We just do not want to be flooded by immigrants and replaced by them.

Who? When?
That Soros funded shit ongoing?

Also, quick question, why is B████'s surname censored?

Holla Forums children are ass-hurt because B████ saved us from a Trump government, by supporting Hillary.

Saved us.

Saved none. The capitalists won, thanks to..leftits?

Yeah, that's not how History works. Had Trump won, American Leftism would have been fucked for at least 16 years. If you vote in the right, the Left only has the option of cleaning up and drinking the kool-aid. As you've seen with Obama, Hillary has no choice but to go in a social democratic direction.

With Hillary winning, we can continue this trend of installing a strong European social democracy. Once the workers are more wealthy and extremely open to ideas of collectivization, and they're anti-free markets, Socialism becomes a real option. When workers are poor, fascism and big guv'ment are the only options.

If all things go according to plan, we might be seeing the beginnings of Market Socialism once Hillary gets out of office.

Not to mention that Conservative propaganda would have continued to destroy the Left, had Trump won.

you're right. But they won't listen here.

Well, there is also traditional medicine.

That might've had some relevance, if I was advocating for only factory workers to participate in Revolution.

So … You are useless then?

Useless and retarded.

Nobody cares. Capitalists need cheep workforce. Are you keeping Capitalists in charge? Then it doesn't matter what you want.

2014 "class" war was practically officially against the Capitalist elite. Except nationalists took over - you know how it ended. Capitalists got even more power, by claiming they need to fight other Capitalists.

Because Enemy of the People.

Fucking hilarious.

Is Holla Forums actually this misinformed about what the left wing is?

They unironically refer to the EU as "USSR 2.0"

It is hard to keep track given this place tells me that

the USSR wasn't lefty
China isn't lefty
Norks aren't lefty
Baathism isn't lefty
Sanders isn't lefty
Labour isn't lefty

While there are benefits to having your ideology not pinned to any failed experiments you can hardly blame people for working of mainstream definitions instead of looking through every aspect of a society checking for ideological purity.

USSR was lefty.

First half it was fully, then it started deteriorating, until population said "fuck it", but didn't have Vanguard to set things straight.

The rich is richer than ever, they lost money in the crisis and Obama gave it back all to them, from the taxpayers.

Literally inverted social democracy.

Also, real wages in the US have not moved under Obama at all, except for the top 1%.
Positive inflaction, flat real wages means the working class is poorer.
Also from 15 to 45 million people on food stamps.

If that's your social democracy…

Hillary is going to be the same thing.

The rest is delusion.

All Hillary is going to do is continue the transfer of wealth from the middle and working class to the top 1%.
The gigantic media control of the top 1% that's being evident in this election will twarp any plans.

In 8 years, noone will give a crap about social democracy. They will be busy fighting evil whites because everyone is poor as shit, even whites. That's the whole point of identity politics, putting whites vs hispanics, while the rich gains, and that's why Soros is showing it down your throat. So that countries keep privatizing, he gets a share and his tax base is in the Bermudas so that you can't touch his wealth.

So … You are useless then?

We don't want a war between nations. You do? The fuck.
We are the only ones trying to remove them. The left has sold out.
See Hollande, Tsipras or fake leftists like Hillary.

Lol? They replaced the pro-Russia elite with a pro-USA. Kolomoisky was elite, is still elite and now actually rules Dnipropetrovsk.
The Ukrainian government has ministers come straight from investment banking in New York and the US state department. Not sure what you've been following but it was never a class war. It was just a replacement of elites.

To be honest the label of Democrat and Socialist means way more to me than the actual ideas put forth. I would much rather vote for Hillary than have this image of myself I project to other people of being a Progressive Democrat ruined by support of some right wing candidate even if they support positions I would normally also support.

and he isnt wrong, the vast majority dont and even when they are they're much better off than your average poor non white.

he could have phrased it a bit better though

because white men(yes even your beloved poor whites) have been the cause of many problems?

Median is the largest group. Says nothing about the low income whites.

Quite frankly, whites created democracy, human rights, workers rights, women rights, gay rights, everything anyone could wish for.

I'm not even saying most, but every single non white society is based on far worse class division than white ones. Japan and S.Korea are what they are because they adopted values created by whites.
So cry me a goddamn river for making the world better for everyone.

Every single society is based on exploitation, the whole only white exploited is plain ignorant. Whites of all people are the only one wanting to try something different from exploitation.

Get a load of this individualism.

That image would make sense if all the races were just 5 guys, but we live in a world user. Most white people in america aren't racist and have nothing to do with racism. Saying that minorities should blame white people for everything and rebel against them just adds fuel to the fire. The only way to get along is to get along and stop opening old wounds.

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One could imagine the Nazi saying the same of the jews

sick list of sources there pal.

throughout history or just in recent(last hundred years or so) history?

this is a strawman

THe only people? Why do you believe this?

The war against the Capitalists is unavoidable. You are deluding yourself if you think that freedom could be gained peacefully.

But you aren't trying. You have nothing. Are you going to just kill everyone who is rich? Is this how you intend to "remove" them? Or are you going to elect honest government?

None of them were Left.

No lol. That's what Maidan was officially about - "down with the oligarchs; we want honest government", rather than "Russia go home; Ukraine for Ukrainians". Except the only ones with the organization were right-wing nationalists who hijacked everything and turned it into nationalist army of pro-US Capitalists.

It's you who hadn't been following.

why do you believe this?

I dont believe whites should be blamed for everything because everything isn't racial, they should blame whites for the things

'dude they need to just get over it xD, sure the past has a direct affect on the present but who the fuck cares t b h??? like ghandi said "dude the past doesnt matter, get the fuck over it xD"'

I would fully agree with this if the wrongs of the pasts were addressed, but they haven't been.

Kill the middle class too.

How will you redistribute the wealth without it unredistributing?

Blacks were effectively blocked from voting until 1960's. And if you pay attention at all to the news you'd know minorities are again being blocked from voting with voters suppression.

Any kind "democracy" minorities enjoy in the country were pried from the grip of power, it was given to them by whites.

The picture that triggers you so badly doesn't blame white people for past crimes. It rightfully points out white's abvilance toward systemic racism that minorities suffer under.

If a white person is poor it's because of their relationship to the MoP. But minorities not only have to suffer that exploitation but also suffer from systemic racism. White people implicitly endorse that through their apathy.

When minorities complain it triggers ignorant white people like yourself and you immediately start talking about forgiveness and looking past it.

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You speak like blacks were or still actually allowed to vote in black countries, which is not true.

It's an asinine pic that ignores the fact that the majorty of crimes against blacks are and were committed by blacks. Same with Asians and so on.

Ever wondered why we call you cucks? That's why. You promoted a self hating agenda based on lies.

Now fuck off and come back when blacks, Muslims, Asians or any other group you suck off comes up with something equivalently as good as democracy, human rights or similar. Until then, they have no right to complain. We made everything positive in this world. Yes, whites committed crimes too, so did everyone else. None of them however came up with something as good as ours.

>ignorant

Your picture is ignorant and racist.

Is this a serious comment?

your poor reading comprehension skills are amazing

It's easy to see that the Communists, Anarchists and ISIS are just different forms of the same phenomenon that keep repeating itself through history.

ISIS and spanish civil war anarchists (extremely incompetent btw, so much that they gave the republican government on a gold plate to the better organized communists -duh) are extremely similar in all aspects, and they both should be pourged the same way.

TL;DR Left and ISIS is the same fucking thing but you are all too democratic stupid to understands it.

Comrades pls. We are being raided.

Let's laugh at you a bit longer.

Did Ghandi or Mandela or Malcolm X invent colorblind society? Or any kind of human right? Or the right to vote?
No.

Who did it? White men. All your heroes did was taking white men ideas and giving it to their own kind.

So wash your mouth before talking next time.

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'Raid'

Calm down.

Tell that to all of the shit threads and bait all over the board.

Do you realize I control any of /pol posters?

Even our own board is full of shitheads.

why does Holla Forums lack any sense of self awareness ?

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For someone who thinks white people today are not responsible for the misdeeds of their ancestors, you sure like to insist on taking credit for their achievements.

"As a white guy, I shouldn't be considered responsible for the institution of slavery but shitskins should be eternally grateful to me for inventing democracy."

You are part of the problem. Please kill yourself along with all your nazi friends.

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"Races" do not "invent" concepts. That's not how the world works.

Lefttists of the world, unite with ISIS, the modern form of Anarchism / Communism!

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Fairly sure I admitted at least 3 times in this thread whites did a lot of crimes. Why do you ignore that? Oh right, it doesn't fit your agenda of constantly demonizing whites for slavery while ignoring everything they did good.

And slavery wasn't invented by whites you ignorant cuck.

I don't even want this to be a fucking stupid race thread, why are you turning it into it?

no, and i dont think anyone argued that they did.

mind pointing me to the white societies that are color blind? And I dont say that to insult any white societies

also human rights(while not the same as modern human rights) is not a new concept
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights#History_of_the_concept

So what do you actually know about the three men you named?

The legal system of white societies is colorblind.

Save the hilarious Muslim revisionism of history. Next thing you'll tell me they discovered America as they claim they did.
Human rights as we intended are a French revolution invention. Not some vaguely described crap.

That they are not related to the topic of the thread. Enough said.

Antifa pls. Literally Soros useful idiots

you're moving the goalposts, first it was 'white socieitys are colorblind' and now it's 'the legal systems are colorblind. Anyway why do you believe this?

Sure but that's clearly not the point.

see pic

You can't control what every single individual does. You can fine them if they discriminate.

I get that you are used to totalitarian ideas, still..

As for why do I believe this it's generally one of the first articles of most Western constitutions.

It very much is, since apparently your point is boo white slavery, everyone else so good

I'm not familiar with the civil rights politics of blacks in African countries. I do know that most African countries are in the bad shape they are in mostly due to the legacy of imperialism.

Can you please articulate what you mean by "blacks were or still actually allowed to vote in black countries"?

If I'm not familar wit these issues there's no way in hell your ignorant ass is.

Nope, this word only gets under the skin of bourgeois liberals. Congratulations on making the N-Word for white people though, I'm sure plenty of ethnic minorities in the country are going to start using it.

Muslims came up with algebra.
Blacks invented a long list of inventions to numerous to list.
Asians invented gun powder.
Again, whites didn't "invent" democracy. Any kind of democracy enjoyed by anyone outside of white straight land owning males was fought for tooth and nail. Just open a history book.

you forgot your shitposting flag

Yogapig is a turd

Save it. They were in a shit state before colonialism even started.

West Africa had 3 great civilizations, Mali, Ghana,Songhay. All of them had collapsed by the time of colonialism.
East Africa had Zimbabwe, Axum and Ethiopia. Also all long dead.

As for your question; were blacks allowed to vote before whites started meddling? Nope. Are they allowed to vote now that whites left and they can rule themselves? Depends on the case, often not.

Actually it was Indians, Muslims took it from them. Also not relevant to the field of human rights.

I don't hate blacks that much to bash them or you on this, but just no. Also not in the field of human rights, voting rights, workers rights.

Find me one goddamn society that did not take democracy from whites. Otherwise you are a liar and a racist.

I just did, this country. Democracy is a lot more than just coming up with the idea that everyone should vote. It takes the building and coordination of countless institutions. ALL of which was built with the sacrifice of suffrage leaders, civil rights leaders, activists, pretty much fighting the majority of white people the entire time.

Also the idea of "white" is just an American thing invented by all the Salvs, Jews and Poles that immigrated to this country in 1800's so they could be included in the muh privileged class above blacks.

By your dumb ass logic Jules Vernes invented airplanes since he thought of the idea first.

kys

The overwhelming majority of those were whites.

Why do you name whites exclusively on the bad side?

Sufferage leaders yes, but since their activism really only benefited white women don't pat yourself on the back too much.
Civil rights leaders, no, but certainly a lot of white people supported the civil rights act, and I'm grateful to them as well.

But they were all fighting against the systemic state sanctioned racism prepeturated by white people who were the political majority in the cournty.

Ummm so the civil rights movement struggled a lot because it was actively hated by the vast majority of white people.

This has to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

You don't "take" democracy from "whites", you insufferable cretin. Which racial group allegedly came up first with whatever political concept is irrelevant to its concrete practice.

How can you seriously believe political philosophy can be boiled down to such meaningless one-liners?

the fight for civil rights didn't start in the US, it started in Europe, a century before

if the vast majority of whites actually hated it, it would have never succeeded.

plenty hated it, defnitely not the vaste majority

Which is why democracy is so effectively implemented in Muslim countries.
Not.
Or African countries.
Not.
Or East Asian countries.
Not.

Where's your concrete practice? In your fairytales?

You think it has absolutely nothing to do with thousands of years of political thinking in the West? That it can be transplanted on any other culture? Then why it is not happening?

Because he's sick, now stop bumping.

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Two more guys who need to find me a non-white country that successfully implemented democracy at the level of white countries or an equivalent system in terms of human rights.

Oh and yeah, S.Korea and Japan don't count since they were forced to.

Your mom's vagina.

Also I had zero interest in a stupid race thread so once you fail to come up with an answer I won't take any further questions on that topic.

The topic is clear: why did you betray the working class of Europe and which side will you fight with in the upcoming class war, something you've been waiting for the last 150 years at least?

Kill nazis, cum in their skulls.

You need to define democracy. If it's "technically everyone can vote even though we put every economic impediment possible in the way" then the US didn't have "democracy" until the passage of the civil rights movement.

Find me a "white" country that didn't block one class or another from voting untill the 20th century.

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Suffrage extension is a 20th century thing.

You are literally asking for the lightbulb before it was invented.

Point me where I said that.
The ironic thing is that European working classes are actually united in being screwed by globalists.

Hello there Stalin. Pot, kettle, black.

And lol at the image.
The reality is that the hat guy is Soros, the demented idiot is the modern leftists in his deeply triggering and problematic crusade.

Quick, blame the whitey for oppression, go identity shit, gay marriage, multiculturalism, noooooo don't care about my Bermuda hedge fund, nooooo don't bother checking those undervalued privatizations of state assets I'll buy

Nice evidence of how out of touch with reality you guys are.

You're moving the goalpost. The claim I was debating is this impression of yours that you somehow "take" democracy from "whites". The failure or absence of democracy in African or East Asian countries is another subject altogether, which by the way is understood by examining the prevailing material conditions shaping these regions, and not by mindlessly boasting "we wuz deemokruts and shiet".

The overwhelming consensus on Holla Forums is uncompromising opposition to identity politics and sheer disgust at the corporate agenda of liberal politicians. Lurk more, faggot.

You take the idea and implement it in your own country. Something everyone has so far failed to do, even when it comes to coming up with an equivalently valid system.

Parenthesis over. Let's stick to the topic of the thread.

Actually the main reason I asked the topic question is that I know lots of you dislike the identity rubbish. I didn't certainly expect my thread to be actually filled with Soros fangirls.

The working class has no nation, color, creed, and so on. It is not for "multiculti" because all your cultures will fail to actually account for where the wealth is distributed today. In other words, ideology and visionary speculation only obscures the actual relations to production, whether one is or is not of a certain class.

Point to me where I said to deport you into gulag? Nonetheless, it is not my decision and Commissar Stalin will put you there for your bourgeois reactionary revisionism.

The rest of your post is gobbledygook, strawmanning, and pigeonholing with an example that none other than you brought back up.

Both are capitalists, therefore I don't want to fight with them. In fact, nationalism is just globalism on a smaller scale, in both system a tiny minority of people make laws and the majority holds no power.

so, you are going to wait it out?

I will engage in political activities if that's what you are asking, but I will not side with either group.

sage isn't a downvote.