Controlling Immigration

I'm not defending the status quo, if you think that you need to up your reading comprehension. I'm arguing that simply restricting immigration without doing anything else to solve the underlying problems of the system (you know, passing socialist reforms) will simply cause another problem.

Which portion is being crushed again? I think a different set no matter which way is getting the shaft here, a little puerile to act like only you matter.

You know, Marx didn't write that to argue against immigration, he wrote it to argue against Capitalism.

The solution isn't controlling immigration, the solution is destroying Capitalism.

Hard to solve that problem.. it's hard to organize a union and keep it going when Porky can just bring in scabs to bust it.

Unrestrained immigration is part of the problem. (not the whole thing, but definitely a factor in it) wox.sagepub.com/content/30/3/327.abstract

Sure, but porky will always find a way to get scabs. Those people who just got fired from that outsourced factory will make great scabs.

Another option would be to make sure immigrants get unionised and have to get the same wage as everyone else. If there aren't enough workplaces, encourage the unemployed to make their own. Italy has a system where unemployed can receive all their unemployment benefits as a rent-free loan in order to establish a coop with at least 9 other unemployed. If we could establish a system like that, we would not only be able to keep our borders open, we would send a huge fuck-you to the bourgies and even take the first steps towards replacing them.

keep the borders open.. tons of unemployed people come to get those benefits and the system crashes because you cannot afford to give benefits to the entire world.

Stormweenie slide thread

Nigger, that's the fucking end goal.

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Prate of world brotherhood from the socialists opens up the way to world exploitation by the financier.

Alright, now you're just trolling.

Really? The world without borders is Porky's dream. Do have any idea what the pacific trade agreement is going to do to the American working class?

Do have any idea what the pacific trade agreement is going to do to the American working class?
Oh I know, all right, but restricting immigration isn't gonna solve that, is it. In fact, it would make the problem worse, as I described above. If the choice is between having companies outsource or having them import labour, I would prefer them importing labour, because that means we can still control them, and we can use that labour to create a new system.

A world without borders is a dream for both porkies and socialists, but unlike us porkies will still keep on going if we close all the borders. The only way for us to have a global impact is to keep the borders open. The trick is to make sure the porkies don't use it to their own ends, and to do that we need to be writing the rules.

How do you control the people the companies recruit from the poorest places they can find and house in company dormers? That's how they broke the meat packing unions, turning it from second highest paying industrial job in the United States to the worst job in America. (bonus points for not passing the savings on to the consumer and pocketing the extra profit)

What should we be talking about?

This dosen't appear to be happening.

You realize that porky is already doing precisely this with the help of left-wingers who are drowning in pity for the third world?

I think the right course of action is to just let outsourcing happen and demand UBI. Third world immigration is just leading to a strengthening of reactionaries worldwide.

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By applying some actual labour standards to the immigrant workers and by creating worker-controlled enterprises that can compete with corporations for workers. You'll probably find that companies will be much more willing to negotiate if their workers can literally just form a competing business if they get fired.

Immigration control just contributes to chauvinism and division amongst the global working class.

Closed borders means sacrificing long term goals for short term profit.

May as well just keep the borders mostly closed to the third world.

You forget one basic thing, OP.
Automation.

Immigration doesn't matter any more, it only makes the reserve army bigger. Automation is what makes a large reserve army, with or without automation. It's also what creates bigger crisis of capitalism.

If we could establish a system like that, we would not only be able to keep our borders open

How not to read what you write.

All the more reason to curtain immigration, esp unskilled labor because soon there will be no need for them..

lmfao, what a moronic troll.
op fuck off

If capitalism is abolished then the surplus value of third world labor won't be extracted and pumped into the first world, thus negating the need for immigration in the first place.