Women appreciation thread

remember that premarital handholding can seriously fuck up her psyche

I'll get married soon enough.

I think a big part of the problem is that it's more difficult to raise a family on a single income these days. But even if you aren't a top tier upper middle class professionals there are ways around this: Don't live in a huge city with expensive rent, forego useless luxuries (taxies when you can walk etc), grow your own food etc.

Gas yourself.

I meant she has only ever been with one man before and he was white.

No.

lol C'mon, man. Don't sow seeds of doubt in his mind.

I thought the same thing.

I'm sure all the other anons with girlfriends and wives are just taking time editing their romantic stories… j-just give it another minute…

Lurk for a few more months before posting.

Reminder that "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth" are fourteen words.

She is far from the prettiest girl around, but I kinda like her because she reminds me of myself. I am 27 she is 19 I want to mold her into a woman, like what to wear and how much to eat, I enjoy long skirts btw. As I said earlier, she is super-submissive, I could probably talk her into anal if I wanted to.

Anal is degenerate

And this is coming from a guy that likes tying girls up and choking and slapping the shit out of them during sex.

That's on purpose, gotta keep everyone dependent on the system. But it's not as bad here. Women wanting more shit is probably more of a reason single income is tough then taxes and insurance and bills are.

It could be true in the way he meant it. It's also the most common lie.

they are just formatting them correctly, I'm sure

We are both Norwegian, I want to marry her and have a lot of children. I enjoy modest feminine beauty.

M'LADY. *tips katana*

Talking about it won't get it done, user. Call her right now. You're in Trump's America now, son.

wife her, but keep your dick out of her poop shoot

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>tfw she died in a car accident, worst day of my life hers
I will marry a woman like her.She was the perfect woman, the perfect teacher, never met another woman like her in my 27 years.

I hope you don't mean in the biblical sense.

The first ara in a man's life always holds a special place in his heart.

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Story time user ?

This.

don't encourage them

polite sage

the white knight version

in that case anal is okay :/

fuck off, majority of girls lose their virginity to the first pushy loser who is in the right place at the right time. I'm not searching for a virgin personally but the stats don't lie.
you best be joking

That's degenerate too user.

No, that's normal caveman primal behavior.

It's what you should do in bed. Virtually all women want to be treated like sluts in the bed, like loving wives outside of it.

My wife:

We had a conversation the other day on how important it is to love yourself and your people (which she was fully on board with). She's a unicorn, lads, and I know it. A true gift from God.

And she never even considers looking elsewhere because I fuck the ever loving shit out of her every chance I get.

Fucking kudos, OP. Good thread and worth seeing on this board again.

You knuckle-dragging retard, are you posting this bullshit from your cave? Fuck.

Rarely the case in women with a healthy childhood.

Hey user. Glad to hear you're in a good place.

Can you explain to:

That virtually all women like being dominated hard in bed?

Congrats but no woman is a unicorn. If you get lazy and weak she'll act like any other. Sounds like you're doing just fine though.

Sorry user but being a supreme gentleman doesn't work out that well. There's a time and a place for it, but women like to be dominated also.

My children's great grandmother raised 7 children on a dairy farm, cooks amazing food filled with love, sends all the kids, gks, ggks money on Christmas and birthdays. Keeps a beautiful yard full of strawberries and flowers. Stayed married to the same man for 60 years. Loves children more than animals, like a proper mother/ woman should. Still cooks for the entire family at the giant reunions at 80+ years old. Kitchen and house is always spotless. Was so frugal through out their lives and good at balancing the check book that they are way loaded now. Plus lots of land and a remodeled house. She's adored by all her kids and grandkids, great grand kids!

There is a considerable difference between treating a woman like a slut and being dominant.

99,9%, (((TRS))) shill

Huh?

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He's grumpy about this thread for some reason, just filter him. Towards the beginning he asked what it was sliding.

Edwardian women were objectively a best.

Blowjobs are infantilizing because it's like when they sucked their mother's nipples.
Vaginal is okay.
Anal is gross and degenerate.

If you want to be pleasured, make it either vaginal or a blowjob. Even then a blowjob is like a pacifier for women, but at least they get some comfort out of it instead of anal which is where they get off on being humiliated.

Anyway. Woman appreciation thread is not politically correct. (((They))) don't like vanilla women who have dignity and grace, who value masculinity and themselves - so wouldn't lower themselves to fucking animals like niggers.

hard to slide with all the inauguration nothingness going on

The problem is finding modern women like that. I live in that kind of country, they're rare as fuck and half the time you would have to join their commie church to marry them.

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I also remember reading somewhere ingesting semen orally can act as a type of anti depressant or uplifter in women.

Eastern Block women are pretty traditional, as long you are able to impress them by acting traditionally macho and masculine in order to marry them.

Ya' better check 'em.

Studies have shown it to be beneficial, yes. Searched around, found this article and it's got sources. Didn't bother to check the sources myself so if it turns up bullshit, mea culpa.
archive .is/oRl73

They are getting fucked way too less.
If i think about that it is like a rich table of tits and ass, and your momma probably told you to eat what is served. After all the meat will get bad after a while.

she had many moments like this, this is why I can never forget her

As a very masculine and blunt guy, I seem to attract sluts, and the few eastern women I've met didn't seem any different. But I believe in a more restrictive view of race, german race, anglo-saxon race, gallic, etc. Eastern are still white, but not an option.

I have no experiences that stand out tbh

Don't you think it's a bit late to be this picky ? I mean, at this point, saving the white race as a whole is already a challenge…

What's 8pol's take on femanons/changirls? Ever dated any?

When I was a young Holla Forumstard I dated a few. They're almost all fucked in the head, dreadfully low self esteem, camwhore, self-harm, panic attacks, etc etc. Rarely worth it, I'd say. Sounds like a NEET fantasy but when you're getting phone calls at 2am because she cut herself too much and thinks she might die but you've got school in the morning, it's a pain in the ass.

Dude, you don't have to break archived links

I have seen many anons saying that they are usually batshit insane in one or more ways, have panic attacks or are desensitised to guro and degenerate porn. None of those are qualities you want in your children's mother.

Good. Racemixing between white races isn't too bad, but it should still be avoided unless there's really no other option.

Oh and a lot of them are into shota.

Sodomy is never good. The "sexual revolution" is part of what got us here. Uncontrolled violence (striking/choking) in the vain of sexual pleasure is degenerate even if the woman wants it.

My wife uses Holla Forums all the time. That question is like saying, "what do you guys think of women who use mustard?" There's such a broad range of people that use message boards.

There were a ton of threads a while back saying shit like "ARCHIVE IS COMPROMISED!" so I figured better safe than sorry.

Looks cute, i would forcefeed her up 10-15lbs.

I've dated a lot of girls from 4chan. They're a mixed bag in terms of their sexual histories, but the memes about them having mental issues are almost always true. Every one I knew, regardless of whether she was promiscuous or not, was either bipolar, histrionic, engaged in self-harm, had horribly low self-esteem and so on.

That said there are some diamonds in the rough. They're more likely to be open to Holla Forums type opinions even if they're mildly liberal too.

Complete mirror image of my own experience, right down to the panic attacks. First femanon I dated once flipped the fuck out and started sobbing because I jokingly said something like she was the "cutest girl on any imageboard I'd met in real life". Then those tears turned to anger and she gave me the silent treatment for a couple of days even though we were living together.

God fucking damn it dude. Are you me?

Yeah, I know. She told me.

He should take some hcg if he models because otherwise it would tell me that his small testicals are due to steriod usage.

Even among "femanons" the amount that actually use porn with any regularity is not that high. It's true that their sexuality has been kind of pornified (as it has for a lot of us), but they're almost never into black guys and the vast majority of them prefer white guys.

Christianity denies too much of our inner nature for me to be comfortable with it. There's a difference between stigmatizing genuinely dysfunctional behavior like homosexualism and chastizing a man for wanting to be a man with his wife in bed.

How did you find them to talk to and take out on a date, exactly?

Did you marry her?

I proposed to my girlfriend a couple weeks after Trump won. we are happy he won

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There's a lot of us out there. While I'm sure there are worthwhile femanons out there, they're definitely the minority.

Back in the day you'd post your MSN messenger contact on Holla Forums which was still relatively anonymous, and then you'd chat for a while and see where it went from there. This was well before /soc/ or any of that faggy bullshit.

Why do people think this is attractive again?

Sorry, don't really have one op. I don't really live in a conservative area to see it often.

confirmed for morbidly obese, enjoy being a feeder you sick fuck.

I don't like bragging about partners because it's feminine and egotistic blogposting but love has changed my sensibilities so sage.
>-still learning social cues due to being locked in her room for half her life
>-is taller than me

Never had a teacher like that, tell me other stories, please.
Are you from the U.K, France or Germany ?

He said she was in her late forties and died in a car crash so no.

What this guy said:

It could be anything. Exchanging MSN messenger back in the day, exchanging skype, putting your Steam ID in a multiplayer game thread and it turning out one of the people you added and get on well with is actually a girl (and one thing leads to another in that regard).

I don't want to sound like a dick but it is easier if you're somewhat good looking, because the instant you sent a pic you've got some kind of in.

That being said I know a Holla Forumsack fat white guy who has pulled at least 4 femanons in his area genuinely because he's smart as fuck and interesting.

They're not just the minority, it's that even if you find one who is good, you're still going to have to deal with a shitload of baggage. For example, lots of them aren't actually slutty at all - but that doesn't mean they don't have horrible self-esteem, are chronically depressed and unhappy, cut all the time and are insanely perverted to boot.

But if you can work that shit out with one who isn't a slut, they're decent girls. I don't want to sound like a sad nerd but I've spent 10 years of my life on imageboards to varying degrees and it was nice to get to know girls who came from that sort of mutual understanding.

A lot of quiet girls are like that. Is your sister moral though?

Probably Bulgaria.

The only question now is, how the fuck do I find a femanon now, who isn't an attention whore, in my land of Britbongistan, within close proximity of me?

And not only that, but how would I find any qt right-wing/anti-social women in my area, who aren't degenerate whores of whom I am swamped with, but I don't want any of them and see them with disgust.

Is she bulking or just builtfat?

stopped right there

Didnt see that
RIP

I've only met two people from 4chan. One person introduced me to Holla Forums in 2007, and the other I met after I was a Holla Forumsfag from 2011. Met him at my workplace a few years back. How the fuck do you people meet people from 4chan?

Limiting yourself to explicitly right-wing girls isn't the way to do it.

As other anons will doubtless explain, provided she isn't a full on feminist leftard, and very few femanons are in my experience, then she'll come round to your point of view purely through osmosis if you have a good relationship. Most women start out being sort of generic apolitical liberals because they inhabit another plane of existence in terms of their understand of things like war, group conflict etc. As Conrad astutely observed in "Heart of Darkness".

I explained a bit further down.

No. I don't mind dealing with someone who has emotional problems, but if she starts talking about how she is bi and tells me I shouldn't say retard because it's offensive I'm not going to bother.

Used to fuck a girl who liked TRS of all things, think she browsed here once or twice but got bored.

Anonymous spaces really don't appeal to the feminine psyche.

It's funny because even though the girl I'm seeing atm isn't really 'right-wing' in her explicit views, in her behaviour she's much more feminine and in line with our ideals.

Can confirm. Mine is rather apolitical, and still mostly believes in the Holocaust, but she recently said in a text:
"user you've tainted me. I've started noticing the Jew in people when I never did that before."

The red pill is a gentle process for your loved ones, fellow frog cultist nazi shitpost wizards.

Just learn about animal behaviour and apply it to the women around you

agreed, but if I want to degenerate my genes, I might as well do that by fucking random girls. I'm so picky I want a traditional girl of british extraction who wasn't raised by a single mom and from a family smarter than average. That's it. Considering my area hasn't been mongrelised, it's a real fucking low bar.

If you mean saving whites as in genetic stock, mixing is even worse.

Builtfat.

Oh, I see it now. Thank you. I met a few people from the old school kikebook groups like "Stay in Iraq until the Job is done" (yes, yes, I know good goyim,) It was 2005, give me a break. But yeah, I can see how the girls would be more likely to be mentally damaged. Even the myspace chicks I'd meet would sometimes be a little off. I did fuck this girl I met on WoW back during those times too. I flew all the way to Australia to do it. Probably was worth it.

She could have very well been the one and I would have had her at just 14 and been set for life. We were both smart, overweight and not the prettiest of the bunch. I feel we would have gotten /fit/ and end up redpilled as we both liked history. She also likes rugby.

Pretty spot on. I know exactly what you mean when you say
Femanons are different than your average woman and it's really something else being able to connect with someone over a mutual history with chans without it being a cancerous, meme spouting experience.

Get fit, go outside, talk to women on the sidewalk. You'll get better at it over time. Eventually you'll find one that isn't totally corrupted or slutty. This only really works in a populated area though, so if you live in a more rural place then attend community events and look for local groups to join that interest you, like shooting clubs or boxing gyms. Make friends, expand your social circles and you'll meet women that way too. Just don't be so desperate you settle down with the first decent girl you meet, take some time to really get a feel for what's out there and what you could be happy with. Meeting a right wing girl is a plus but like explained it's not that big a deal, because as long as you're not a little bitch your girl will adopt your politics eventually. Not to blogpost but just to give an example, the girl I'm with now was a pretty average liberal when I met her but now hates blacks, Muslims, and thinks Hitler wasn't such a bad guy. Just takes time and conviction in your beliefs.

Find a girl who is easily manipulated (most are) in to following your beliefs and values. This is the roll of women to begin with, to follow the man in the relationship. I'd say personally, go to Georgia (the country) and find a nice Orthodox girl if you seriously can't find any girls near you. At the very least, she's still white, can cook, clean, and is extremely conservative and hates faggots.

How did you meet her out of interest? I know a femanon who crossposts on /r9k/ and 4/pol/ and likes TRS too.

Agreed.

As for bi… eh I can forgive one "girlfriend" if she was doing that whole "I had an abusive relationship and was scared of men for a bit" thing.

Haha, I remember that Bush era stuff.

Do any of you guys remember the old Yahoo News message boards?

That place never really systematized any meaningful online movement like 4chan, but it was funny as fuck.

Storytime user. This sounds interesting, what was she like?

And no shame furthest afield I've been for online grills is Toronto (I'm in London, UK).

You have no idea just how many girls will say "yes" to the first guy to ask them out - especially if they're a random, 4 or 5 out of 10, shy, diminutive sort of girl.

That's why you occasionally see white girls with Indians or other browns/chinks. It's not always because of some weird niche fetish, sometimes that mud was literally the only dude to actually ask them out. I'm serious.

So when you're past the point of being comfortable with a girl, just ask her out, seriously! Because non-white guys are thirsty as fuck in this regard. You know how autistic chinks are.

Thanks user. It's nice to speak to someone who empathizes. Subcultures can be pretty cancerous, but it's difficult to integrate back into normie-tier humor if you've spent your 20s on 4chan. That's just one example of what I mean.

What would you say your best experience with a girl you met on there was?

i know a girl who wants to go into academia as a pure mathematician and she admitted after a few drinks that she wants 6 sons. feels good man. i sure hope she's single…

more stories pls?

Political society at university. Didn't seem like the /r9k/ type though

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I can't answer that well without some serious blogposting, but considering I was in middle school and high school in those days, they weren't healthy relationships. Nothing but mutual obsessions and sexual degeneracy. Lots of pictures being sent back and forth. I know some 18+ year old femanons were getting off on sexting/cybering/etc with a middle school boy.

/r9k/ women are usually a bit different than /r9k/ guys. And not every /r9k/ guy was a total faggot either, that reputation came later.

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I've known 3 kinds:
Borderline personality disorder
Depressed horny sluts that want to fuck everyone with half a spine and get off on negative attention from packs of nerds (as opposed to the basic "nerd girl" that wants to be treated like a princess and never touch any of her beta clingers)
Hyper-reclusive shutin NEETs that also use tumblr, aren't very influenced by it, but will make you put up with her horrible faggot friends unless you're a bad enough dude to tear her away from them

Spoiler alert: You aren't going to find any redpilled femanons. While life is just starting for men in their 20s, women will be past their prime by the time they've been alone long enough to become true anons, so only the blackpill awaits them.

You don't meet people from imageboards, you hang out in real world or online pseudonymous communities that are linked with imageboards and toss out subtle bait to people that aren't obnoxious faggots until someone bites.

100% this. anons need to be less scared, or rather white males in general, despite the white-male bashing and conditioning they receive through society.

my eyes got watery, you better have 4+ white babbies you faggot. No excuses if Trump plans to help the middle class like he says he will. Also, investing in US construction and steel wouldn't be terrible either.

Lucky bastard. Wish you the best.

I hope this also happens to me soon.

OP IS A CUCK

We played together for two years. I loved her accent, and she loved mine. We exchanged photos, and she was decent looking. She must've thought the same of me. We would just randomly start talking about sex, and then she'd want to cyber. This went on for a long time, until I told her that we should meet up. She agreed. I was a poor fucking college student in the US donating plasma for $60 a week, so I didn't have much to go off of. I flew down there for 3 weeks and stayed with her. It was wonderful. I should've just asked her to marry me right then and there. (((Social Pressures))) stopped it though. I thought I needed my degree, and she was persuing her law degree. I really loved her.

Years went on, I found a good career as an engineer. She came to the US to visit Las Vegas and some other BS. We met up again. Only this time she had gained like 40 pounds. We fucked a few more times, but it just wasnt the same. I should've stuck with her though. Instead my company sent me to China to do a few projects which took years to complete. There I meet a local girl and married her. We now have two kids together. Browsing Holla Forums for as long as I have, I feel so much fucking guilt. I failed the white race. Now telling this story reminds me once again of the Australian girl and how I should've just stayed with her. FUCK.

thanks haim

I expected it sooner tbh

At least your kids can be half-breed allies, sad they'll never fully share your ancestry though.

KEK LURK MOAR NEWFAG

my whole life i've been scared and too autistic to approach girls, it's only recently that the fog's started lifting. i started going to the gym, moving rightwards politically and moving on girls more proactively

when i was like.. 10 years old, i'd google about "nice guys" and it would lead me to feminist websites like heartless bitches international and i'd drink it all up like it was gospel because i didn't know better. my parents were 40 when they had me so they didn't have the computer savvy to monitor my usage

MORE GRAB LIFE BY THE PUSSY AND DON'T COMPROMISE YOUR STANDARDS FOR THE FIRST PIECE OF PUSSY THAT COMES YOUR WAY.

Nah, fuck him. Let him lie in the depressing bed he's made.

AWALT, agreed. Gotta keep em in check. Did I mention I woke her up from a sound sleep specifically to suck my dick this morning? And she thanked me for "waking her up" with a wink as I walked out of the door for work this morning!

Funny, I had the opposite. Googling 'how to get girls to like you' led me to heartiste citizen renegade as it was called then in my early teens

bullshit, women don't use imageboards because they crave identity and attention when it comes to the internet

I'm having no problems grabbing life by the pussy, but this "white virgins only" meme is retarded. It's physically impossible for us to reach replacement levels if we throw out every woman because she's touched a second benis. Until we can bring society back to that standard we have to continue making more children regardless. More white children is better than less, always.

I agree with this reason. How many girls who do use imageboards always post photos of themselves, including just body parts? Females crave attention, and their currency is their body and youth. They want to cash it in as much as possible.

Used to date a Chinese girl and know EXACTLY how you feel bro. Just try and raise your kids right and bring them up in the most western (traditional, not in the sense of loving LGBT shit) way possible.

Pay attention to what I said here dude

Just ask her out ffs. I can't emphasize this enough. Scout out a good restaurant and ask TONIGHT. There is no more fortuitous day than this.

Racemixing just isn't worth it. All memes of Elliot Rodgers aside; it does feel like something is missing. Some level of connection, comfort, or understanding. But I cannot and will not bring myself to divorce her, unless she cheats on me.

I've always been astonished with why men are so scared of women. I learned how to play classical piano and presented myself well and they came to me There was a facebook group in high school called user's Harem. I never even did anything with them sexually because I was a good christian kid but the memory is nice

HOW MANY FUCKING STUDIES HAVE WE HAD AND EVERY TIME IT COMES OUT THAT THE NUMBER OF NON-MARRITAL SEX PARTNERS HAS A NEGATIVE CORRELATION WITH MARRITAL SUCCESS. EVEN 1 PREVIOUS PARTNER AND MARRIAGE SUCCESS DIPS TO 50%. WHY BOTHER WASTING TIME ON A USED WOMAN WHEN I CAN SCREEN THEM OUT SIMPLY ON WHETHER THEY'RE VIRGIN OR NOT? SIMPLE SIMPLE.

the Holla Forumsacks can have the virgins and normies can take up that trash. we fucking deserve it mate.

What we deserve doesn't mean shit in the real world. If you can find your virgin waifu then great, but like he said now isn't the time to be too picky. As long as their count is low (1-3 at most) and they're not a party girl, then that's good enough that regard. In a better culture we could and should be more picky, but society is fucking degenerate now and your odds of finding a virgin are very low unless you're willing to risk the pedovan.

Not to say the studies aren't right, but what metrics are being used to define "success?" Most of what I've seen merely establishes the strong correlation between pre-marital partners and divorce rates. Though that is important, a big part of it could be that the ones who don't have any pre-marital sexual partners did so out of deep seated religious convictions, and they may not believe in divorce either, creating a situation where the marriage isn't necessarily successful but doesn't end in divorce either.
Please note that I'm not just declaring "CORRELATION!=CAUSATION CASE CLOSED." I'm sure there are other indicators of marriage success that correlate negatively with increasing number of pre-marital partners, but I've yet to see such studies.

THIS TBH. Holla ForumsLACKS CAN HAVE 6+ KIDS WITH VIRGIN WIVES. NORMIES CAN HAVE THE TRASH AND BY MOVING THE WINDOW FURTHER RIGHT WE'LL PUSH WOMEN TOWARDS TRADITIONALISM AND WHITE BIRTH RATES WILL RISE NATURALLY.

These are usually the same girl in my experience.

Women are by nature pretty apolitical.

Holla Forums's opinions, the ones we all agree on anyway, are actually just apolitical in that they're basic common sense biological imperatives like "don't let so many shitskins into your countries that your entire race ceases to exist".

It is only because we live in a degenerate age that the above is up for debate as a "political question" in the first place.

Sounds like a cool girl.

How appealing and ego boosting was this at the time?

This. I've never met a guy from /r9k/ I could actually have a conversation with. All of the males I've known and still keep in contact with came from Holla Forums or the topical boards.

/r9k/ males are hopeless.

One of the things that always set my heart aflutter with my current gf was when she talked about how much she liked knitting and stuff.

My first ever crush at university actually knitted me a scarf I still have to this day. Amusingly the bipolar femanon I mentioned above, who I dated, wouldn't let me wear it when she found out another girl had knitted it for me, kek.

I love making girls jealous in a playful way.

Asking a girl out is the easiest fucking thing in the world. Hell these days you don't even have to necessarily do it in person. You can just become friends/study partners or whatever and shoot her across a whatsapp asking her out to dinner.

Shows you're a moral man, in spite of the race mixing.

Just take it easy bro. There are qualitative differences in mixing, primarily the distinction between a male of our group taking a female of their group - of course, the opportunity cost here is that a high IQ engineer guy like you didn't impregnate that qt Aussie WoW addict - which makes it a less desirable outcome than you being with a white girl.

However, as stated, patrilineal descent is fucking important. The father imparts his psychology onto his children. That's why so many mulattoes born to white mothers hate white people. So don't beat yourself up too much, please.

It's the implicit connection you have with someone who is white. We whites are a group, we share certain things that are exclusive to us and inscrutable to outsiders (eg our obsessive love of animals, even to a point of fault), our sometimes-stupid love of daredevil shit, or climbing/exploring things just because they happen to be there.

This extends to interpersonal socialization too. We just can't really understand Chinese/East Asian people in the same way we can understand our own. It goes right down to body language too. When I dated a Chinese girl I felt the same way, I hate to say it but I never felt protective of her in the same way I felt protective of white girls I dated. And she came across as… less feminine, oddly enough (given the stereotypes). White women are feminine in this really soft, overly kind and gullible way. Chinese women are arguably more feminine in some respects, but it's pure affectation - It's put on for show in other words. Underneath they're actually way more mercenary and calculating.

Ironically, in my experience, Chinese women are way more suited to being "independent women" than white women are. They're shrewd in a businesslike way, they're careful, they're discriminating in their tastes, they're hard working and highly intelligent and they're able to deal with hardships that would cause a white woman to crumple up without so much as shedding a tear.

But it's that internal toughness and machiavellian-ness of Chinese women that makes them less feminine to me. They just have less emotion, less passion and less love. If that makes sense.

tfw gf like this but has been molested and in psych program shit
tough decisions

That's not what I'm arguing, if you decide not to have white children because of stats and you cannot seem to find a virgin qt then you are a failure. Plain and simple. You have not helped the cause at all. More of our people is the single greatest gift you can bring to the table besides being literally Hitler.

If you can find one, go for it, I encourage all Holla Forumsacks to. But don't simply decide not to breed just because you end up not finding one. That doesn't help our cause at all.

If she's molested and didn't go full promiscuous/hypersexual then she's salvageable bro.

Basically what you're telling me is she's completely open to a strong male consciousness taking care of all her thoughts and problems for her. Aka you.

yeah that's what i feel. and the mental stuff snowball because her mother didnt want to deal with her. in a year of being with her she has self admittedly made 10x as much progress as in all that jew bullshit.

:-)

IF IT'S CORRELATION IT'S A VERY FUCKING STRONG CORRELATION, TO THE POINT THAT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE CAUSATION VS CORRELATION WHEN IT SERVES EQUALLY WELL IN EITHER CASE AS A SCREENING QUESTION.

FUCKING LITERALLY CAUSES CHANGES IN HER BRAIN CHEMISTRY TO PROMOTE PAIR BONDING. I DON'T WANT MY WAIFU PAIR-BONDED WITH SOME DUDE SHE FUCKED IN THE PAST.

EVEN IF HER BEING VIRGIN IS DUE TO RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS, THOSE SAME RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS ALSO TEND TO PROMOTE HAVING LOTS OF BABIES AND BUILDING STRONG FAMILIES. THERE MAY BE FLAWS WITH A RELIGIOUS WAIFU BUT IT'S PREFERABLE TO A SLUTTY WAIFU OR A SELFISH WAIFU WHO WON'T HAVE KIDS.

IF YOUR WAIFU FUCKED SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOU, YOUR WAIFU A SLUT.

The definition of a 'successful marriage' should be did you stay together and raise kids? Doesn't matter if you are happy or not.

Almost guaranteed fucked in the head with that combo.

You've been talking sense, but your capslock is ruining it.

There are literally not enough marriageable white female virgins for us these days.

This generation is a write-off. We need full on population bottlenecking of mixers/un-maternal/slut women and to start off from scratch again.

Just don't fall into the nice guy trap, and pass her shit tests. All women do it, it's a fact of life. Passing shit tests means not backing down from your viewpoint (when it's important, make compromises on unimportant shit), not worrying about leaving them at any moment, and making them do shit for you every now and then.

And how many of those are old ladies?

I'm not saying that a religious wife is bad or that the studies that indicate virgin marriages are more successful are wrong in any way. I was only asking if there were any studies that explored the idea beyond just looking at divorce. Turn off the capslock, it makes you look like a nigger.

I'd agree for the most part. Staying together and raising a family is the core feature of a successful marriage The personal happiness isn't very important, but could a marriage wherein one or both of the spouses are abusive and hateful towards each other or even their children be called a successful marriage? It's certainly not the most common situation, but reason enough to think that the state of being not divorced is enough to declare success.

yeah brotha i know i know. thanks for the encouragement. maybe one day years from now youll hop back on the board and happen to see a post about someone have a nice white child, and maybe it'll be me

FINDING A VIRGIN QT IS AS EASY AS MEETING QTs IN THE FIRST PLACE, ONLY YOU NEED TO MEET MORE OF THEM. USE "VIRGIN / NOT VIRGIN" AS A SCREENING QUESTION AND YOU CAN KEEP MOVING ON UNTIL YOU MEET THE VIRGIN. NOT FUCKING DIFFICULT.

IN THE WORST CASE YOU CAN GO TO CHURCH AND RAISE YOUR ODDS TO MEET YOUR VIRGIN.

YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY POSING A HYPOTHETICAL OF "YOU CAN EITHER HAVE KIDS WITH A SLUT WAIFU OR HAVE NO KIDS BECAUSE YOU WAITED FOR A VIRGIN".
FALSE.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF VIRGIN WAIFUS IF YOU LOOK FOR THEM AND DON'T COMPROMISE.
IF YOU DO SETTLE FOR A NON-VIRGIN, FINE, AT LEAST HAVE KIDS. BUT YOUR WAIFU A SLUT AND YOU A CUCK. DON'T FORGET THAT.

The problem with framing it as a shit test is that it makes women seem more consciously calculating than they actually are.

You should stick to your principles because sticking to your principles is good. Women notice that on some level and think it reflects well on you because you're defending unorthodox opinions and not crumpling under pressure (and it's obvious to everyone if you crumple under social pressure, not just women!)

In other words, strength and confidence should just be pursued for their own sake, and noticing a weak-minded man who errs when he's put under the thumb is something both men and women do and find distasteful.

It's why apologizing to "SJWs" (leftists) never works, because they just sense blood and move in for the kill.

Should be "not divorced isn't enough"

CAPSLOCK IS THE ONLY WAY TO MEME. MORE LIKE KEKSLOCK.

We can't afford to bottleneck as liberals are already doing that for us and shitskin invaders are taking up any space that's left open. We need to increase birth rates to win this war and resorting to a small subset of females will not ensure victory.

No I agree with you, they do not actually logically calculate this in their head, it is subconscious and actually a good thing, because it weeds out weak males. Strength and wisdom and confidence are virtues. (also heiled)

No, I'm not making this a black vs white hypothetical, I'm saying if you don't have white kids just because you do not manage to find a virgin then you are a failure. I don't expect every unmarried Holla Forumsack to have a 100% success rate at finding a white virgin qt, though I hope everyone does. If you make excuses to not make more white children you are a failure. That's it, that's my only assertion.

We can both increase birthrates and bottleneck. What you need to understand is that a lot of Northern European stock is genetically defective as they have never faced existential threats to their existence and thus have no conception of ethnocentrism, these people need to literally be removed from our gene pool in the long run.

We need a leaner, more ethnocentric white race.

how find gril? i mean obviously increasing your social circle would increase the likeyhood of finding gril, but how to even got about doing that?

top kek. Every single time white knight faggots come around talking about how pure and innocent women are, they always are trying to defend their used goods (which they are obviously insecure about)

I thought that was a woman's fetish, are you a cuckold?

FALSE. FOR US THERE ARE PLENTY. FOCUS ON THE 20-24 RANGE AND DON'T COMPROMISE. WOMEN LIKE STRONG MEN WITH CONVICTION. LET THE NORMIES HAVE THE TRASH WOMEN. THE NORMIES WILL STILL BREED AT THEIR ABYSMAL < 2.1 LEVEL, WE'LL BREED AT > 6 HIGH ENERGY FUCKING LEVEL. AS THEIR NUMBERS DECLINE, OUR NUMBERS GROW, AND A CULTURAL CHANGE OCCURS WHICH BRINGS FORTH MORE PURE WAIFUS FOR EVERYONE. SEXUAL REVOLUTION WAS A JEWISH TRAP. THE WAIFU REVOLUTION WILL END THAT.

t.tyron

I would recommend any anons who haven't already to read up on game. One of the most practically useful topics you can read about, as well as just giving you a better understanding of the world.

Introductory Reading

toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf
therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/
heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/04/09/endless-dating/
heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/the-fundamental-premise/
heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/men-with-options/
heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/the-fundamentals/

Of course a lot of the 'PUA' material is limited to club situations, silly and produced by snake-oil salesmen. But the basic principles apply to all women, and are just as useful a tool in a LTR as for picking up a girl.

True, there are some like him. But it's no coincidence that most of the best writers on the subject are WNs (FR Devlin, Heartiste who copied Devlin).

/r9k/ really went to shit really fast.

Good digits and good posts.

See the second half of my post here

I like your high energy.

British women have always been fiercely independent and opinionated, even when society isn't corrupted by kikes. If taming a wild horse if your goal, fine but even in the best of circumstances British wives are ballbusters.

Usually they are just as smart as the average man (when they aren't corrupted) and can hold their own in an argument so you really have to make sure you don't want a more submissive woman in your life.

I agree on keeping white nationalities separate when possible, but I don't want to get too autistic screechy about it when whites are already outnumbered.

Don't fucking breed with the Irish, though. Irish women are batshit insane and that shit is genetic.

Controlling is different than chocking, you fuck, if the father saw the marks he would kill your degenerate caveman ass, but good goy! You are in the safe haven of a sodomite city instead of a caveman cave where you wouldn't last a fucking week.

Get fucked tough guy, you are a textbook example of a degenerate, perverting the tools that have been given to you into sinister purposes.

WE DO NEED A MORE ETHNOCENTRIC RACE, LEANER? MORE LIKE CHANGE OF WORLDVIEW. WE CAN DO THAT WITH MEMES AND CONVICTION. OR WITH WARFARE. MANY OF US WERE BLUEPILLED BEFORE WE CAME HERE AND I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE BEEN PURGED. NORMIES CAN BE REDPILLED BUT IT TAKES EFFORT AND PEER PRESSURE. WE NEED TO RAMP UP OUR MEMES PRODUCTION, WE HAVE TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE NOW PUSHING THE OVERTON WINDOW, PEER PRESSURE IS ON THE NORMIES TO MOVE RIGHT.

THOUGH I'LL ADMIT ANY RACE INCLUDING EUROPEAN CAN BE IMPROVED BY A HEALTHY DOSE OF EUGENICS TO PREVENT PROPAGATION OF RETARDS AND DEFECTS.

I'm lucky beyond belief to have had these women in my life, I know g/f will be excellent role model for future kids

Right in the feels. I miss my ex, sometimes

yeah i figured as much. another important thing to have is a job to pay for these things, though that should be obvious.

I know a girl. she's
but
I don't know how i feel about her. I'm not very attractive myself so there's a good chance she doesn't see me as a potential partner.

I'm more worried about pic related. does that over lap even exists?

here are some more good blogs (christian perspective)

deepstrength.wordpress.com/
dalrock.wordpress.com/

good luck measuring that when most shit people still claim to have great marriages

They ARE consciously calculating in some cases, but even if not, every animal tests it's boundaries. Know their nature, don't hold it against them unless they overdo it or take a minor failure as license to go wild. Whether they mean to do it or not is not really relevant.

What the fuck is this? By never do you mean recently?

the one femanon ive met was a tripfag and did lolicosplay, so i dont have enough data to say.

Give her the injection.

She's depressed because she's not a waifu yet.

No. Fuck PUA. Fuck game. The only valuable parts of these self-indulgent masturbatory fantasies are things that should be basic truisms but have passed into the realm of esoterica because our age is so fucking delusional and detached from nature that even elementary instinct is obfuscated by the social "science" crowd. E.g. "women like men who are assertive and dominant".

Heartiste is pure LARPery anyway. Roissy, if he ever got laid at all, was getting laid primarily with 35 year old HR Managers in DC. Even I can do better than that, and my main pool for girls are BPD chicks I used to meet from 4chan.

Let me stop you right there, user. If you've got your shit together and aren't those things, you will spend your days trying to cheer her up and fix her life, and it will be in vain. I've been there. Loved a girl so madly I literally teetered on insanity when she left me the first time. Waited 5 years for her to come back, which she did, promising things were different, but no, she was unhappy with herself and life and therefore could not let herself be happy with me. Things are different now, I got my shit together mentally and otherwise and met a girl did the same (or at least tries hard, no one is happy all the time, everyone has issues). It's a whole different world.

Only gay people do, women do not care much about physique.

If you want to have a clearer idea, imagine that women care about physique as much as you care about personality. Most men want a girl that is "kind", kind is average, it's the bare minimum, it's nothing special. That's why nice guys are not attractive to women, there is nothing out of the ordinary there. Now apply this logic to physique in men for women and you got a good idea.

But do workout anyway for strength and stability, it will regulate your hormones and your diet in your sedentary life. Men who lift are against the redistribution of wealth therefore natural anti-leftie.

Fuck off Sinead

I have been that pushy loser!
Twice!

This thread made me realise I had some good women in my life and I was such a dick to them. Literally and figuratively.

I'm not a degenerate.. but

This, there's no magic set of sentences that helps you get women. It's all about how you perceive your self-image and how that self-image is projected towards everyone around. Literally make yourself happier, stronger and confident and everything else flows from there.

4chan boards have a fairly well understood (by now) life cycle where they start out, slowly develop a distinct culture, develop a board identity and in turn develop humorous hyperbolic caricatures of themselves (e.g. Holla Forums's le rage man) and eventually end up becoming this caricature through new entrants not understanding the subtlety of what came before. The end result with /r9k/ is supercharged women-hate mixed with highly elaborate form irony folded an infinite number of times.

Another thing I have absolutely zero proof for regarding 4chan and /r9k/ in particular, but still have a gut feeling for regardless is that the site as a whole has mirrored American/Western demographic trends and become less white over the years, and that correspondingly the level of dysfunction and mindless conflict has risen in turn.

YOU CAN FIND THAT VIRGIN OF SIMILAR QT POINTS (1-10) OF YOUR OWN QT POINTS, IF YOU LOOK FOR HER AND DON'T COMPROMISE. A LOT OF ANONS WILL COMPROMISE BECAUSE AT THE FIRST HINT OF INTEREST FROM A QT, user JUMPS AT IT BECAUSE IT'S A QT AND THEY WANT SOME RELIEF FROM LONELINESS. SO THEY'RE WILLING TO COMPROMISE STANDARDS FOR THAT QT. IT ISN'T A MATTER OF "I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT BUT DIDN'T FIND HER, TIME TO SETTLE". OKAY GO AHEAD AND SETTLE. BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE MEETING VIRGIN QTs IRL GO TO CHURCH AND FOCUS ON THE 20-24 RANGE. NOT ALL OF THEM WILL BE VIRGINS, A LOT AREN'T, BUT THE PERCENTAGE IS HIGHER.

I LITERALLY JUST WENT ONLINE AND FOUND A VIRGIN QT AGE 32 (RELIGIOUS). ANOTHER THAT'S 35 (RELIGIOUS). IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT RELIGIOUS THEN IT'S NOT FUCKING DIFFICULT TO FIND YOUR VIRGIN QT, EVEN TO THE AGE OF 50. MEN DATE DOWN, WOMEN DATE UP. YOU CAN BE 40 AND STILL DATE 24 - 27 IF YOU PUT IN THE EFFORT. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN AGE, TRUMP - MELANIA? >10 YEARS. TAKE THE TIME TO FIND YOUR VIRGIN QT, IT'S WORTH IT. THEN FUCK HER UNTIL SHE GIVES YOU 6+ SONS AND DAUGHTERS.

Underrated post, this x1000

Be happy, be strong, be confident, get your shit together and just live your life, and you will find a good girl who will be attracted to you for the attitude and life you already have.

That is indescribably sweet user. She sounds incredible. Marry her.

One of the things I love about (good) women are these little ritualistic practices they have about skincare and so on. It's so methodical and confusing.

That's just not true. You don't need and excellent physique, but women are definitely more attracted to a built, powerful man than a skinny bitch or some fat bastard. The difference in attention I get from women from when I was average and when I got fit is night and day. The way you carry yourself, your posture, is definitely a big part of it, but having the body to back it up matters too.

That's exactly why they're so valuable. The things you learn from that shit should be basic knowledge passed down from father to son, but society today has completely failed most boys and they either have faggot dads or were raised by single moms.

molding a woman into wife material works both ways. She can be undone and betray you just as easily as you converted her.

The better thing to do is find one who exposes her deepest motivations and goals that you don't expect to change and that puts her allegiance to you in her own best interest. Usually this is almost always a stable and healthy environment for her future children.

also I updated your diagram

btw where are all you faggots meeting femanons at? the only board that ever had meet ups that im aware of (outside of chanology shit) was/is /k/

It's what I am. I would prefer someone more submissive just to save the hassle, but half the population here is german and I don't remotely find them attractive. Most of them seem off to me. I don't think it's a coincidence that there is little mixing here even though almost no one thinks of it that way.

I agree on the irish, and I'm not being as autistic as it sounds, it's a curve. I'm not saying I wouldn't marry anyone else, only that they have to bring more to the table.

half/k/ I assume

Yes. Read the thread. We discuss this topic in detail above.

Never encountered it myself.

Your problem is that you're unnerving the less confident guys here who should be just asking girls out so they don't end up with some random bindi at 27 who was the only guy who actually popped the question in the first place.

Girls like strength and assertiveness, they like dominant men. NO. That doesn't mean they like sadistic, abusive boyfriends - The reason you see some women with that kind of man is precisely because mainstream masculinity has been so stigmatized among whites that all too often all the masculinity that is left is a dysfunctional kind commonly found in underclasses.

Never. Northern Europeans evolved in comparatively low population density environments where conflict with other tribes was rarer than it was in the great River Civilizations. This even holds true for Greece and Italy incidentally, which is why in spite of their being more ethnocentric, they're still somewhat cucked by leftists.

Cuck whites literally need to die out so that the rest of us can live.

;_;7

You lucky bastard.

they cant all be from /k/ meetups, thats statistically ridiculous

Which one.

You don't need to read the erotic fiction of a financial regulator from DC to understand these kernel truths though. Literally just pick up any half-decent novel written before the 1960s. Pick up any decent (read, non-Enlightenment) philosopher like Plato or Cicero.

There's no reason to give people on Heartiste any attention. They unironically believe feminism is the final boss.

I know a lot of anons, including myself, met girls on /r9k/ back in the day simply by chatting to people in threads and exchanging throwaway emails.

/soc/ if you just want to get laid though, but you'll be competing against multitudes of thirsty betas. The advantage of a GD board like /r9k/ was that you could be in a topical thread about something, find out the person you were talking to was a girl and then just say something like "hey, the thread is coming to an end and I enjoyed our conversation, so have you got an email or something I could contact you on?"

yeah i kind of thought that as well. dam. I guess you can't save everyone but its going to be pretty sad watching from the side lines as her life becomes more and more of a train wreck.
that doesn't really answer my question. it wasn't that I couldn't put a name to it I just didn't know if it was even populated. I assumed 100% of all girls and "girls" that use image boards were just sluts and crazy fujoshi

oh ok. I'll go back up.

You've gotta man up and marry these sluts.
You have to be the change you want to see in the world. If you just settle for used goods, then you could be missing your chance to meet your true virgin waifu. And if I never meet a virgin girl that is worthy of being my wife and the mother of my children, then I will die demanding that and nothing less. If I never meet a virgin girl that is worthy of being my wife, then I feel I can put my life towards greater things than wasting my time on a whore who will most likely divorce me and attempt to brainwash any kids we had into being useless faggots or disgusting whores.
Women will never value virginity, or do any work to preserve it, if there's an endless supply of cucks who will settle for them even though they've had other men's penises inside them. The only way women will change, and care about preserving their virginity, is if more men like me stand our ground, and say "no hymen, no diamond". Our demands will only be heard if we refuse to compromise on them.

This is a good point. What hope do you have of attracting virgin women, if you're a low-energy cuck who settles for whores? When I meet the virgin woman that I want to be my wife, I will be able to tell her that I saved my virginity for her, so that she can be the one person I ever share that experience with. There have been many sluts who wanted the D from me, and there will be many more, but I restrain myself and turn them all down, because whores disgust me and I refuse to have my first time be with some used goods.
>THE NORMIES WILL STILL BREED AT THEIR ABYSMAL < 2.1 LEVEL, WE'LL BREED AT > 6 HIGH ENERGY FUCKING LEVEL
This too. And not only do normalfags who settle for used wives have a tiny number of kids, but these kids made out of desperation with a non-virgin whore most likely won't turn out too well either.

This is a good point. If we only accept virgin wives, then this could accelerate the speed at which whore genes are removed from the genepool, then that will reduce the amount of sluts in later generations.

mugi

A lot of people like Heartiste used to think that way, but looked deeper at the chain of events that led to feminism and became wise to jewish tricks and their ways. You'll see a lot of white nationalism around those parts these days, or at least recognition that the Muslim hordes are a threat to our civilization.

Most of them are still degenerates, though.

It's harder to do these days, but if you wanna deal with that kind of shit you'd have better luck on halfchan.

THIS IS WHAT I WISH FOR EVERY user TO FIND

Finding a girl on a chan violates imageboard culture, so its a moot question. If a girl is not an attention whoreing degenerate she will be abiding to board culture and not revealing her sex when posting. Otherwise shit would devolve in Holla Forums and /soc/ tier garbage.

This is not a meatspace. Everyone here is user and user has a big fat benis. You have ot find women the traditional route and avoid those with a strong online presence (no more than a facebook set to private) like the plague.

Does this means what i think it means?

Would being unhinged yourself make dealing with crazies more manageable? It's not that I fundamentally not like girls from strong, normal families, but they make far less sense to me and appear to be harder to "understand."

For example, the NEETness here makes sense to me. If I got along with someone like this and eventually molded her into marriage material, I'd probably be okay with the arrangements even if she was still retarded in some ways. Naturally crazy girls shouldn't be prioritized, but at the same time they make more sense to me.

I'm still staying far away from BPD/bipolar girls because of my childhood. That kind of crazy isn't something I want in my life or my child's. From what I've seen, they're too far gone when it comes to even remotely healthy personal relationships.

any port in a storm. a 4 year abstinance and enforced neetdom for half of that time will make you desperate.

The problem with Heartiste/Roissy is that his tone of writing on these subjects is insufferable, he adopts this disinterested fataliastic tone about everything doubled up with a good dose of humblebragging about how it's all good for him because it means he gets to fuck more hot girls (read: cat ladies in HR).

EXACTLY. >8 INCHES I COULD GO OUT AND WRECK SLUTS ONLY AFTER SOME "MUH DICK FICKI FICKI" BUT I FUCKING DESPISE THESE SLUTS.
THIS TOO. I DON'T THINK IT HARMS MEN AS IT DOES WOMEN, AT LEAST NOT TO THE SAME EXTENT, TO FUCK AROUND BEFORE MARRIAGE, BUT DEMANDING OF YOUR WAIFU WHAT YOU DIDN'T DEMAND OF YOURSELF IS CALLED "BAD LEADERSHIP".

BOOK user YOUR PROGRESS HAS BEEN SO SLOW THAT THE AGES HAVE CHANGED YOU NIGGER

Shit m8, try living in small cities for a couple years or something. I wouldn't bother with city girls over there unless they are outcasts.

MEANT FOR

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reminder to small benis anons: it might just be small cuz your fat. for every 30 pounds, you gain an inch of benis.

read these guys instead:

anyone who shills for premarital sex or "gaming" women is a faggot. this is why people like roosh need to kill themselves.

Not exactly true. The situation of women was different before then. In any case it's a more oblique way, so why not just read the distillation of that knowledge

wtf are you talking about

I dated this Australian girl from the Holla Forums Holla Forums mumble and it was terrible.

She had a ton of problems and ended up cheating on me with one of her self-described beta orbiters. Now she's cheating on him with an autistic chink

Come to think of it she cheated on her ex with me, she's cheated on every man she's been in a relationship with.

It's not just that she cheated on me though, she spread lies about my friends, released my dox, and tried to get a guy to sabotage my current relationship.

The worst part is she told me she wanted to be with me forever and have my children 2 weeks before breaking up with me she never told me she'd been cheating on me, I found out she was for months from my friend she's currently cheating on her current bf with

She tried to pin the breakup on me and made me think there was something wrong with me and treated me like shit post breakup. Because of this I'm too afraid of being affectionate(she told me I was too clingy) and now my current gf thinks I don't love her.

I gave her nothing but love and respect, I never did anything bad to her, she's just a malicious person.>>8851218

you would be surprised at how little the human experience has changed between plato and us.

sounds like BPD. and protip: if she cheated on someone to be with you, she will cheat on you to be with someone else.

here's a twist: your mother was phone.

Dating and casual sex is degenerate. have your mom set you up with an attractive daughter of a family she trusts, since she has take this much responsibility already.
Court->Engage->Marry->Procreate
Simple.

Not doubting that, but he thought about more important things than women.

I can't think of any instances that women even appear in the dialogues apart from Xanthippe or anything that would be useful, I'm curious what you had in mind

Because Heartiste's interpretations are flawed. He doesn't meet or fuck decent women, it would be like me extending my experience with /soc/ sluts and penning walls of texts on how to deal with women based on the hyper-promiscuous BPD crazy I fucked from there in my early 20s.

All classical philosophers discuss the role of women quite extensively. The point is that they offer a more even hand because they don't fall into the trap of holding men and women to the same standards, which is a liberal point of view to begin with.

The problem with all MRA/PUA/MGTOW stuff is that it's mutually contradictory: They recognize women are inherently childish, gullible, foolish and malleable and then turn around and rant and rave about how awful it is that a profoundly sick society based on profoundly retarded axioms ("men and women are neurologically the same") leads to women not actually meeting the same standards of males.

Same with /r9k/. On the one hand they berate women for being gullible and infantile, on the other they demand why women are such sluts in our society.

Places like Heartiste just breed morons who hate women. We don't need people like that.

I am saying it doesn't matter. I don't know how I am unnerving guys when I said

I'm not suggesting, but they like both, it has nothing to do with masculinity being stigmatised. Even girls properly raised fall for that shit, which is why they have to have a strong man in their life at all times to prevent it.

was rarer than
Is a bad winter, famine, and being killed off or displaced less of an existential threat in europe than anywhere else? Why did we end up better from other peoples if we had it so easy? It doesn't even make sense.

never been to one.

Yeah, if there's one kind of changirl I can't stomach above all others, even more than the truly depraved slutty types on /soc/, it's the cosplaying/weeaboo types who like asian men.

There is absolutely no difference between them and white women who are "into" black men in my mind. They're driven by exactly the same motivating factors: Self-hate, xenophilia, sublimated desire for group identity through xenophilia etc.

Pic related. There was no difference between her and a white girl who proudly proclaims her love for black cock.

Alright lemme give you the rundown of where my mom is socially. She's barely past 50, hangs out with the 60+ group at her church, whom are also the only friends she has, and if she's not burying her nose in her bible, or rewatching Sunday's service, she's watching reality TV. The two people she knows that have daughters are not attractive, and the one that is isn't single.

I would find someone myself, but I live in one of the only two liberal cities in this state, and the only women i see around town are whales with dyed hair who believe they are special snowflakes. Dating in this town is hell, and it doesn't help when your mom banned you from dating "until you move out" only to ask you why you're not married yet. I'm legitimately considering suicide at this point. It's to the point people ask me why i look like i haven't slept much.

the first major thread in the republic is about how old men feel about not being driven by their benis anymore.

havent read enough of platos other works, but aristophanes nailed feminists down to a T in Lysistrata. also
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle's_views_on_women

bump for 14 words.

That's a bullshit excuse and you know it. If you really wanted to leave, you'd find a way.

People haven't changed much, but culture has. So if you're going by ancient knowledge, it helps to have a little experience to differentiate the two.

Offtopic, but you're an /r9k/ oldfag, huh? I hope you weren't one of the obnoxious tripfags that precipitated the cancer there.

Existential threats from other groups dude, not from natural causes. That's why I referenced population density differences.

It is absolutely related to this. Mainstream masculinity doesn't really exist anymore. Most men in their late teens/early 20s are surprised when they find out girls like to be spanked and things like that. That gives you a good litmus test for the general cluelessness.

so the amish then?

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of course! i wouldnt suggest otherwise, as epistemic knowledge can only be reached through both academic and expierential knowledge.

Picking through women to find the right one for courting is the real job not enough guys out there do.

I am happy for each and every user who finds the right girl(don't fucking wait and marry them!) / wife for themselves, but their stories cannot be taken as universal how-to guides. In each case luck was coupled with an ability to asses the girl that she was a right choice for a PARTNER - not only for sexing or being around but that she was a person they could talk to and live with.

While all women tend to want to be in relationships, do not relieve them of duty of being bloody fit for the role of a partner - you as a man are the prize since you can earn your living and provide security for her, she has to return this to you in kind through her existence in your life.

A 100 years ago this was an axiom - you didn't need to explain to anyone that men need wives and women need husbands, that was the normal way to live and remains so.
I hope that after this shitty generation those of us who manage to raise families will give the society a clean start.

sure user i'll just grab my shit and drive until my gas tank is empty and then be homeless because i fell for the college meme and student loans rape every paycheck i get.

A girl with great personality will trump a girl with average personality right? My analogy still stands, a girl with big tits will trump a girl with a great personality.

You got to take into consideration the whole society is pozzed up, girls are told to be men, they want to be old and rich and get younger guys while it's so fucking retarded as an idea for women. Men today are obsolete, women need men to get resources but right now they live in a 10/10 resources heaven so their #1 factor in a mate just dissipates. Imagine if you lived in a world where every girl were 10/10, physique would just not matter anymore, guys would focus much more on personality and you can see this right the fuck now in otaku guys obsessing about idols, since they are all 10/10, what they discuss about is their differences in personalities.

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Not true. Why would they bother? Name some dialogues where Plato talks about women extensively.

Funny that you chose Plato, since he is in fact ridiculously egalitarian relative to Greek society in proposing that women can be guardians.

I've only ever heard that from MGTOWs, I can't recall reading anything in the sites I cited expecting women to live up to the same standards as men; in fact, they emphasise (contra the rest of society) that it's pointless to treat/expect the same of women as you would as men. Maybe their forums/reddit are like that, I wouldn't know

Just fucking leave the town and move to a different state/part of the country. Give yourself a clean break and start an adult life.
If you planning on going an hero, you already consider that you have nothing to lose, so why not try living for once?

Why is it so dusty in this thread? My eyes are watering something fierce.

Ever notice how leftist women seem substantially less … fuckable? I mean, after Trump got elected it's like they have gotten grosser and stuff. Have a look and see what I mean. They're lacking something. The pretty ones, for example, they have started to look sort of like pic related.

That's what stress and self-hatred will do to ya.

You don't seem to understand moving requires money that I do not possess. How else can I spell this out for you?

Do you work? You aren't going to school anymore, you live with your mum, what serious obligations might you have?
Seriously, not having money is a shitty excuse.

Then take some responsibility for your decisions. If you could leave but you won't because you think it's easier and more suited to your interests that you stay, then take responsibility for that decision and think of it as choosing to stay. This whiny shit about being forced into NEET-dom or trapped in some town, relationship, lifestyle, etc is bullshit defeatism that people say so they can avoid taking responsibility for themselves and their choices. If money is your issue, and you don't wanna be so drastic to sell all your shit and hitch a ride somewhere, then you could get a job and save up, sell some of your shit, and be on the road before long. it really isn't that expensive to move unless you wanna move to the city which isn't a great idea. There's always a way to make money. You're not trapped by any means. A prisoner is trapped, you're just not willing to do what it takes to change your situation.

About three years ago, I was in a long-distance relationship with a beautiful redhead. One Friday, right after the banks closed for the holiday weekend, my debit card stopped working. I called in a panic and got a recording telling me the IRS had frozen my account over a very old matter.

Great. I had maybe three dollars for the four days this was going to take to sort out.

I called my girlfriend for emotional support, and her instant, totally unprepared reaction was to ask me where she could wire me $50 (which I knew she didn't have to spare).

I didn't let her send any money - not just out of pride, but because I thought of a way to get the bank situation squared over the weekend - but what struck me about her reaction was how completely on my side she was. Literally her first thought was "oh my god, how can I help user?"

That kind of unqualified support, given freely by a woman in love, is something I'll never forget. It was a perfectly selfless reaction in a moment of crisis. You can say "I love you" until you're out of breath, but nothing tops that kind of unrehearsed emotional reaction when someone you love needs help.

user i understand you're trying to give me advice here, which is why i'm being so patient. i already said though student loans are taking a serious chunk out of my paycheck. i also refuse to live for free, so i pay my own bills and by the end of it, i don't have much left to set aside for savings.

IF STUDENT LOANS ARE SUCH A BURDEN, APPLY FOR A FOREBEARANCE AND STOP PAYING YOUR STUDENT LOANS.

IF THEY DENY THE FOREBEARANCE, STOP PAYING THEM ANYWAY, DEACTIVATE ANY AUTOPAY, PAY DOWN YOUR CREDIT CARDS. CHANGE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND IDEALLY GET FAMILY TO DO THE SAME. MANY OTHER STUDENTS IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS, SO YOU HAVE ROOM TO HIDE FROM THE KIKE'S BILL COLLECTORS. THEY'LL GET ANGRY BUT IT'S LIKELY THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, PROBABLY MORE. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE TRUMP WILL ACT TO POP THE COLLEGE BUBBLE AND DISMISS STUDENT LOAN DEBTS IN EXCHANGE FOR YOU JOINING THE BORDER PATROL FORCE AND MANNING THE TURRETS.

Did you finish your BA/BS? If you get to know yourself by doing ESL literally anywhere for a few years to save up money and get some life experience. Don't fuck the natives, unless she's white.

Why cant I find a girl like this?

oh… There's my problem

Actually, before women's lib, women could not enter into contracts. Children, the mentally incompetent, the inebriated, and women could not form contracts.

So if you were living in the 18th century, as a woman, you would not have owned much of anything. And, obviously, you could not have voted.

Then find a different job. Tell your mother you can't afford to pay any bills, stop paying off the loans. Just fucking get out of your limbo and do something, anything. You saying you want to kill yourself is BS if you have no restraint in ending yourself but act like a little bitch and you feel constrained and afraid to do anything about your present obligations.

Also, FU for derailing.

You can also see what refinancing they offer. I owe over $40K. My payments are under $250 / month.

you cant escape student denbts by declaring bankruptcy, right?

I do find that my taste in women has gotten much better, maybe yours too.

I remember a friend who told me his type of girls were the suicidegirls.com type. How fucked up you have to be to like girls with danger-hair. Remember, while there is absolute truth there is also your biased lens by which you see the world, that lens is shaped by your socialization and experiences, chans are socializing people a lot nowadays, it's why people can like dumb memes, it can also be why I developed an hard-on for naked aprons which I never had in my early 20s, but if that's my bias I consider myself pretty lucky.

My understanding of European Civilization in general is that it has always afforded comparatively greater liberality to women, relative to other contemporaneous civilizations anyway.

Consider that in the Roman Republic women had the right of divorce for example. Or consider some Greek Comedies, the other user brought up Lysistrata. The mere fact the plot of Lysistrata could actually exist, even as a satire, points to a more permissive attitude towards women than say, that of Zhou Dynasty China or the Near East at the time. Likewise, woman-beating has always been frowned upon in the West.

White women really have had it better than other women, even if you completely remove first, second and third wave feminism from the equation.

Not sure what that had to do with my post tbh also what you said isn't true, at least for England. Women could own land as well as buy and sell it, there's plenty of evidence of this in the records

Note that this is a crucial point because it's a common thread/narrative among feminists that all women had it equally bad (unless they're doing the old orientalist thing and claiming that Muslim women were "more empowered" or whatever) before first wave feminism started.

But that's not true, even in antiquity there were stark differences. I also learned about it first hand, traditional Chinese attitudes towards women aren't actually particularly protective, nor do they take the view of women as something delicate to be taken care of. Women are actually a more expendable resource to them than men and their attitude mirrors this, which never really made sense to me.

I agree with some first wave feminism up to giving women the vote. There were a lot of shitty situations with pious, good women getting treated like shit by drunken whoring husbands with little recourse because he had complete say over everything and could take her children from her.

I am on the fence about the vote, ideally not even all men who didn't own property and weren't married shouldn't be allowed to vote so this could easily be a soft exclusion for women. I would have no problem with married women being able to vote, and likely parroting her husbands.

I KNOW AT LEAST SOME OF THE FEDERAL LOANS ARE NON-DISCHARGEABLE, SO NO, BANKRUPTCY WOULD NOT GET RID OF THOSE STUDENT LOAN DEBTS. NOT SURE ABOUT PRIVATE COLLEGE LOANS.

Nice camel toe.

Do you agree with universal suffrage? It seems to me that the very concept of a mass democracy violates the principles of a balances constitution.

Re: Bad husbands. Women did have recourse, estrangement was common (married women returning to live with a father or brother for example). In New England gangs of vigilantes would quite literally get together and beat the shit out of men who beat their wives.

Like I said, it's a moral imperative of progressivism to blacken the past out of hubris and necessity (progressivism cannot work unless it pretends the past was intrinsically worse in all ways), so we have to get these facts out there.

pua was always marketing shit, but the mra/mgtow has really gone to shit in recent years, 5+? Probably the e-celeb phenomenon and forums and shit being taken over by white knights.

TITS, OR GTFO!

Centuries of having too many people and routine mass starvations.

The day of the robowaifu is coming, you will understand soon enough

Whatever the reason, even from a traditionalist western standpoint it's weird to encounter a traditional culture that doesn't really regard women as delicate and fragile in any way and just views them as even more surplus to requirement than fighting age men.

East Asians are fucking weird man, I dunno.

Absolutely not. I am only half-sold on representative democracy.
It really depended, I agree most women had recourse but legally speaking they were screwed if they slipped through the cracks. The advantage of those days is that *most* men wouldn't face disgrace in court, but the ones that did were almost certain to get absolutely everything including the children. Even if she could go back to her family, he would be disgraced and unable to remarry easily and possible never see her children again.

Not saying women haven't played disproportional victim card, but it is shitty to be legally considered a permanent child in that type of scenario. If you husband had a good reputation no one would even believe he could possibly mistreat you.

They're physically weaker. They react to stress differently (usually worse) than men. That's it.

Bankruptcy is not available. It's mostly something for rich people tbh.

Good thread.

Just came here to say that.

Oh good grief. Stop cucking.

YOU COULD ALSO MAKE A GOFUNDME FOR SOME FUNNY RETARDED SHIT OR SOME STUPID FUCKING TRANS LGBTQRS+ MEXICAN PEGLEG SHIT. MAKE A VIDEO FOR IT WITH SOME SHITTY FEEL-GOOD APPLE-LIKE HIPSTER MUSIC. YOU COULD MAKE MULTIPLE GOFUNDME'S FOR SMALL AMOUNTS. THEN USE THAT MONEY TO PAY YOUR LOANS.

asiatics put a much higher level of importance on the afterlife, to the point that it serves only to rationalize their life as to only exist for subservience to the local warlord/emperor/governor.

The (kike) cuck are you, user.

Women are children. They are infantile. I don't even mean this in the typical spergy MRA way, I mean it in an affectionate way actually. But my wider point is that women's fragility extends well beyond relative physical weakness. The most glaring example of it is their gullibility. I'm fond of Marlow's point in Heart of Darkness here. I think he illustrates it well:

Whatever the drawbacks of that system, it was hardly worse than what we have now, a society where the very idea of intrinsic distinctions between men and women is mocked and jeered at.

And you're right, some women did suffer. But my general point was more that western/european descent women have always been treated with a degree of equity unheard of in non-white societies.

ITT: uncountable amounts of hate-fueled virgins

Really? This is one of the most level-headed threads on women I've ever encountered on an imageboard.

Cuck of the year award!

Doesn't matter, the next day they will have a new fake world or will have already forgotten. You could tell a woman a new lie everyday contradicting old lies, and most wouldn't even care as long as it doesn't change their status.

Children are resilient as fuck.

speaking of gullible

I agree entirely. Its unfortunate that some social turbulence caused by rapid growth in the Industrial Revolution stoked the flames of gender wars (women's suffrage, education reform, prohibition, religious adherence)
The women of the time had legitimate complaints that weren't being addresses and were actually pretty anti-degeneracy. If the men of the time had been more responsible in correcting their own vices they, women wouldn't have pushed the pendulum so far so quickly.

Of course, even with all that women still had it better than pretty much any other contemporary nation on earth.

name at least one post you fucking low energy kike, no 0.05 cents was deposited into your account

True enough…

everytime
should there be a board for it?
>>>/tradfem/
seems kinda ded

Let's think sensibly.

Men have
nothing to gain
from a relationship with women, unless it is to produce a male heir (which is of no particular value in modernity).

Women have
EVERYTHING TO GAIN
by manipulating men.

Therefore, women must be considered seductresses.

So much for setting a good example for next generations of aryan supermen

just keep making the threads here. we got like 40% of the way to the bumplimit before kikes locked the thread. no one wants to leave the legacy boards.

It really is, huh. It's like the mods don't realize that talking about culture is relevant to politics. Wonder if one of them is a bitter virgin who hates seeing shit like this.

Since the thread's anchored you can be honest now, you were an /r9k/ tripfag years ago weren't you? I'm almost certain that's the case you fucking faggot.

At least they'll have kids.

There was a semi-active /tradfem/ related board a year or so ago but lolcow usurped it and got rid of it because they didn't like traditional women.

lolcow for the uninformed is a /cgl/ spin-off board full of asiaphile white female feminists.

Sorry, didn't reply to your post before as I didn't see it, but no. Have never adopted a trip and never plan to.

NIGTOWs are still allowed on Holla Forums? Sad!

Thats not really true. A good marriage with a woman has a world of non-sexual benefits. Men and women were made for each other. They fill each others gaps. Even if we are ONLY talking children, that in itself has historically been a most precious commodity, as the 70%+ of men who didn't reproduce will tell you.

Its how they've evolved. If there were any different they wouldn't have survived this long. You say seductive, I say women are inherently charming and intuitive and exert a power that is impressive given their physical and mental deficiencies.

are you talking about /cow/? if so, that wouldnt surprise me, considering lolcows are the epitome of goon humor.

No, lolcow.farm

Obnoxious femanons of the worst kind (/cgl/ types into "Japanese street fashion" and "cosplay").

I know I will get roasted for how I met my now girlfriend, but I'll share my story briefly.

First, I have been in and around large cities for the last 3.5 years (Tampa and now the Northern Virginia area (D.C.)) so there were slim pickings for "good women".

I met my now girlfriend on Tinder of all places, never expected to meet a woman worth anything off of there: ever. I can't meet women because I am in law school and in law school you take classes with the same group of people you started with, more or less, so no "new people" to interact with really.

Now, on to the girl I am now dating:
She is: white, blue eyes, brown hair (born blonde), 5'8, can bake and cook, and is from the country (VA) and rides horses for a living. Her parents met each other in high school and were married after they graduated (married for about 30 years now I think?). She has only ever date 1 man in her entire life, and that was in her Junior year in college (about 3/4 years ago) and he forced himself/pressured her to have sex. After that she never had sex again. She vote for Trump and is vocal about it, and registered Republican, and owns her own guns…also has 34 DD and is slim/feminine shaped body. Also lived at home for her entire life (except during college which was only 1.5 hours from her home).

Now, on to "us", we were dating/seeing each other for about 5 months and we didn't do anything more than her taking her shirt off and me touching/licking/sucking her boobs, and this is after about 3 months. I actually like her a lot and we get along pretty well, and she wants a couple of kids.

What I am getting at I suppose, is that good women are out there but they are hard to find, and worth the effort, there have always been women who are good for absolutely nothing but fucking and dumping, but the ones that are worth the effort and time require exactly that: time and effort.

She is also two years younger than me, I am 26 and she is 24, and we just now had sex after we (I) decided to be monogamous and only with each other, and a condom. I know its only been 5/6 months, but it's possible she may be "the one" has clichéd and tired as that is…especially on Holla Forums.

Any fat trailer trash retard can have kids. It's the quality that matters.

They don't just inherit the parents traits genetically but also model them subconsciously as adults themselves.

For example instance, imagine you don't know how to play an instrument but you try to get your child to learn. They won't respect you because they know you never had the discipline to learn so why would they?

The same goes for dignity and girls virginity. Why would op's daughter wait when mommy sure didn't?

Why was she on Tinder then?
No offense but it smells fishy or she is BSing you to seduce you after she figured out what your leanings are.

I said that at first also, then I started going through her Facebook, nothing about men or degeneracy, even did a background check, nothing. And the only reason she was there is because she was out in the country and doesn't meet that many people either.

Hell, she's never really been to a "club" before either, and her friends were all on Tinder so she tried it.

well, it's not like the thread was locked.

i've been reading some jung lately.
the anima/animus stuff is intriguing, though i'm peeved at the caution of short-circuiting personal development, by the mere awareness of anima/animus, being left at the end of the text i was reading

might as well tell someone to jump five times before you end the sentence telling them to jump five times.

If you faggots claim your gf had sex with "only 1 other man" again….

B-but she told me bro. She's a victim and I believe her.

Cucked.

Quality is important, but it doesn't mean shit if your race is extinct. And any kid raised by a proper Holla Forumslack is gonna be a good kid even if he does it on his own. Kids do model after their parent's behavior and if they see that their mom is a good woman and behaves properly towards their dad, then they'll learn those roles. It won't really matter, in that specific case, whether she was a virgin or not because that's not likely to come up in conversation. And it doesn't preclude the mother from encouraging her daughters to be properly virtuous.

Ideally yes, men would only date virgins and the time will come again for that, but as things stand it's fine to date a girl with a very limited history.

Every single time.
NO HYMEN, NO DIAMOND!
Only low-quality men settle for used goods.
Not only that, but that sounds like an obvious lie that she told you.

This, so much.

She's lying, women have a really good instinct for reading the minds of the men they are with to become their dream. She picked up on exactly how much she could get away with and spun you a tale.

The good news is she cares enough about you to lie so you can get married someday. The bad news is she is very likely to have had sex multiple times, especially if she had sex with you before getting engaged.

Also this. It sucks on the off chance she was pressured, but its responsibility to keep her virtue safe.

Good luck finding a woman who will put up with your shit if that is your attitude or you better start looking for women at 15/16.

If you think every woman is lying about how many men she's been with you'll never believe anything she ever says, you'll never have a relationship, trust has to be built and earned.

This user has the right idea. How in the hell else am I supposed to find a virgin when most media, people, politicians are telling women to suck and fuck anything and everything they can get their hands on?

How will women ever care about virginity ever again if we don't stand our ground on our demands?

You fucking retard girls cover their tracks because they know men despise sluts. I know a girl who became a huge slut and had sex with over 20 different people in 1 year and is now playing innocent again. Even trying to fit into the white nationalist pagan community. Not a fucking trace of sluttiness on her fb just selfies and links to normie shit/memes.

No hymen no diamond.

If she's not a virgin she's fuck 20 niggers. You're certainly a cuck. Raped.

How many virgins have you ever met in your life? I have only met 2 that I know that are female, and virtually no man over the age of 20 that I have met.

Where are all the secret virgin meeting locations?

Is "no hymen, no diamond" how you start every relationship or conversation with a woman? If she is not a virgin then there is no point in doing anything else.

And if either one of you have ever fucked a woman who you are not married to, then you are the problem as well. I just acknowledge reality.

I left my mulatto girlfriend when I first discovered Holla Forums and I wasn't able to find a white girlfriend since then. I was raised by a single mother thus turning me into damaged goods even before I was even a good. No matter how much /fit/, well-read, loquacious or amusing you can be, it's impossible for some of us to fill the hole left by too many years or falling behind everyone. Fortunately enough there's money, so pile it up if you're feeling blue and also don't lose hope.

There are more virgin women now over the age of 18 than probably ever. They just aren't on social media. When Gen Z gets a little older I expect it to rocket up even hire.

You simply. Cannot. Be looking for women via "dating" set-ups like social media and other events where women go to find men. Most women who are virgins are being sheltered at this very moment in close-knit families and religious groups. They aren't out there looking in places you are likely to find them.

You also will have to learn to be attracted to a woman's purity over what degenerate kikes have brainwashed you to find attractive.

A plain looking, respectable woman who has her virginity for marriage will grow more beautiful to you every year, especially once she becomes a mother. A viscerally appealing slut will only enchant you for a year or two before her physical illusion loses its grasp on your dick and you see her for the disgusting succubus she is.

Also you can always help a homely girl become more attractive with the right clothes and healthy lifestyle choices. Sometimes all it takes is a new hairstyle and wardrobe and some nature hiking to make a plain jane into a hottie.

I wish people actually kept that term for actual cuckolds, not for men who get with girls who had men before. I know it's not desirable, but this was happening since the dawn of time, since mortality was high and not all pairings are ideal.

That's all well and good, but 18 is almost 10 years younger than me, I'll be 27 in a couple months. I even tried being with girls that age, and the age difference is so great for me to overcome in the way they think and act. This girl I am dating is not drop dead gorgeous, I'd say a solid 7, but I am fine with that.

quit whining, we have women threads all the time, probably already one in the catalog

I think we have a new gullible award to hand out
possibly a bigger red flag then even tinder or '1 guy who forced me.'

this. The biggest sluts I knew are now or have at times played nice susie homemaker to guys who had their heads up their ass.

At least in this case it is appropriate. A girl who has had sex before you means you are less sure you are having your own child, before the advent of dna tests, and if they did it before, they're more likely to be doing now.

women quit maturing before 18, you aren't gaining anything by going for more socially acceptable girls

Except this girl actually owns 4 horses, and I have seen them, she owns a horse trailer and works at a large riding/boarding stables that I have been to.

Think I would actually believe that shit and not ask for some proof?

How so? She won't be 18 forever and gets a chance to grow alongside you, which makes for a better fit. You on the other hand are a finished product and won't change much so she has a dependable man.

I've been with girls my own age or younger by year or two and it does not matter whether they are 18 or 28 - they will defer to you and act like little girls around you. Ideally you want to make a woman out of her, by which point motherhood and being a wife should bring on some maturity that you have a benefit out of.

Where I'm at now is getting away from mother and around a positive group of alpha men to challenge me so I become alpha too. Also practicing speech to have a powerful voice that stands up to corruption and not just be humble nice guy beta.

That's just not true, user. It may be more difficult for some people, but unless you're grotesquely deformed you should be able to get at least a decently attractive woman if you get your shit together and don't act like a bitch.

I strongly suspect that those guys are virgins themselves.

This. 16 and she is don't maturing mentally. The rest is life experience which actually benefits you dating an 18 year old to keep her from going astray in (((college))).

Horse girls can be crazy but not necessarily sluts. They are just very passionate and weird and they will pick horses over you everytime so you have to marry her horse obsession as well.
In fact lots of posh/farm girls have horses and can be pretty traditional.

You can't be a supreme gentlemen without pride and a backbone. The difference between modern and classical men is in the past any perceived slight would cause you to lash out at the offending party either verbally or by challenging to a fight. Most of it was all bluster but you have to show you won't allow you dignity to be undermined despite being "polite".

I'm 27 and flirt with school girls exclusively. Older girls just don't catch my eye. They're always wearing too much makeup and look jaded/dead inside.

You're lemming if you think you have to date around your own age. A healthy 27yo male is prime fantasy for 14yo school girls. We daddy dom now :^)

I was getting ready to move and start law school and they were done with high school and working a minimum wage job, which is fine, but at such a large degree in age difference it really is hard to overcome, it's difficult to explain you would have to experience it to see what I mean.

A good example of it for me, from the opposite end was I was seeing a woman who was 34 when I was 25, and I could tell if would never work, our priorities in life were so significantly different it wouldn't work. And the fact that she was older and too old for kids, though she had one of the best bodies I have ever seen.

Whenever I see the posts about a woman having to be a virgin I always wonder if those guys think that every woman in human history was always a virgin before marriage even in the 1950s, the idealized America.

I am totally okay wither her horse obsession, my mom was into them growing up and rode herself, but hasn't been able to ride since I have been alive (got thrown from one on to concrete when she was younger). The best part is she wants to eventually stop doing it as a job and doing it as a hobby/entertainment.

Scratch that, I meant I was 24, not 25, and had just turned 24.

Anons need to be wary of these types of girls. I'm sure there are many gullible guys who would immediately fall for these tricks. The moment they hear one of these lying sluts say some white nationalist stuff, the poor gullible cucks will completely throw caution to the wind. There are many more women than one might expect, who are trying to capitalize on this "untapped resource" for male attention, Holla Forums and WN men.
It's funny because this causes a lot of conflict with femanons who come around these parts. I remember a thread a while ago that was specifically on the topic of femanons who come here to Holla Forums, and how they get very upset when they see many of us demanding virgin girls, because they aren't virgins, and they're insecure about it. And within that very thread, there were many femanons trying to defend the fact that they had sex with other men before their "current bf" (who will be yet another man on a long list of men that these whores will go through)
So yeah, many of the people you see on here who argue against the "no hymen, no diamond" sentiment are actually femanons.

I suppose I'll share some personal information about myself, since you take it there.
I'm 20-years-old, and I'm a virgin. I'm fairly attractive, probably more attractive than I give myself credit for, if the attention that I get from women is anything to go by. And I'm proud of the restraint I've shown, and I'm proud that I've never fucked any sluts, and I plan to keep it that way unless/until I meet my wife. I've kissed/made-out with a couple loose girls in highschool, which I regret and am embarrassed by.
My last girlfriend that I had in highschool was a virgin, and I never had sex with her. She was honestly the best girl I ever met, probably good wife material. Sadly, I was the one who broke things off with her, partly because I felt like I wasn't yet ready to commit to a girl who could potentially be my wife one day. I just got incredibly nervous about the whole thing, and decided I would do less harm if I just broke up with her before either of us got too attached.
That was about 2-3 years ago that I dated her for a brief period of time. I haven't met any women since that I was interested in. She was the best girl I've met so far, but I'm still young yet, and I don't regret my decision to break up with her.
I think I've set a good example. I had a virgin girlfriend, and instead of pumping and dumping, I broke things off with her before having sex with her. Because I would never take the virginity of a woman that I'm not married to.
Also, to elaborate further, I'm not even religious. But I care about my heritage, and the traditions of white people. Upholding pure, virgin women is an important part of white culture, religious belief aside. It has undeniable benefits in reproduction, and I believe that the instinct to desire virgin women is genetically ingrained in the brains of men (to varying degrees, with men of varying quality)

You seem like you've got your head on straight, user.

A lot of people don't really realize this, but as a man you can remain proper attractive easily into your 40s if you take care of yourself, and still be able to get young girls in their late teens or 20s. It's women who have such a harsh expiration date.

I get it when you are younger than a woman, but if the woman is younger than you then there ought to be no hangups - it doesn't matter what she does, you aren't looking for a law partner but for a mother to your children and a homemaker. Those can only be done properly by people who have energy to look after everything and are in prime breeding age, as falloff for childbearing after 30 is significant. This means you want someone in their early 20's for a wife (but don't be a dumbass and bin everyone who doesn't meet the list, a girl that is 28 still has some time on her to make kids into her 30s and will do ok if you click together. Use common sense first and foremost).

Your prime as a man is in your late 20s and stretches all the way to your mid/late-40s if you are healthy and have a career going. For women, it is a brief window between 20 to 30 when they bear healthiest children with least risk to themselves. It was always the way and women will naturally select for men slightly older than themselves if they can.

That is good that you have not had sex yet user. But a lot will change for you in the next few years, I promise that. When I was your age I had only slept with a girlfriend in high that I dated for a year and then a girl I had known for about 5/6 years. I have gone 1-1.5 years without having sex a couple of times in my life.

This user has a good point, men look fine for a long time, as long as they are not fat. Women do not have that luxury after about 35-30 years old then its all downhill unless they take care of themselves and don't get fat.

Yes, women want to make men believe that virginity is impossible a standard but its bullshit. They just know they are used goods and are protecting themselves.

Also to the guy that asked about how he can even broach the subject in a modern dating scenio: DO IT. Like a bandaid. Yes she will lose her shit and bitch about you on social media but you and every other self-respecting man just needs to double down. Women will piss and moan and rage but deep inside they will feel rejected and know they fucked up and any remaining virgin women and young women will see this standard and go "huh, looks like I SHOULD hold onto my hymen since self-respecting men won't even marry me" and then women will start self-enforcing that standard.

Women are great at enforcing the dominating status quo, better than men really because they are dogmatic and ruthless against other women who don't measure up.

Remember that meme that was floating around reddit about "muh classy Audrey Hepburn waifu"? Well that shit is going mainstream and now women are trying to emulate that.

To make any sort of a cultural shift towards "no hymen no diamond" you need quality men to enforce it, and by quality men I mean men that popular society considers to be quality. Which, at least for now, isn't going to be people like us, it's gonna be football players top40 musicians and shit like that.

It's a shift that needs to happen, but it's not one I think will happen just yet.

That should read: 25-30 years, not 35-30, obviously.

This is probably the most difficult part of current trends to change but yes, the less men a girl had, the better wife and a mother she will make. This needs to be memed far and wide and once girls will clamp their legs together, more men will be forced to drop the Chad act and get courting and committing.
Men have to initiate that change however and then women will enforce the standard, as user said.

My only relationship ended when she went to college and told me she wanted the "college experience" (aka ride the cock carousel). We were both virgins when we met (she was 17 I was 19) and I thought I could marry her. She was raised in a very traditional manner and acted like it at first but I suppose she was one of those who rebel and act up. Her going to college rekt absolutely everything. If I had been there I could probably have maintained control but I was a few hours away.

The kicker, she asked me to wait until she was done having her fun. Obviously I said no. To this day I don't understand the attraction of strange cock/pussy.

It's just as well because I have diagnosed Asperger and nobody is sure if this shit is genetic or not, and I'm not sure it's an improvement in our gene pool, so I might as well stay on the safe side and not reproduce. I do get lonely but I try to bear my cross with as much dignity as I can, since there just isn't any solution anyway. If I take a qt I remove a good woman's womb from the pool and make her unhappy because I won't give her children, if I take a cum dumpster then I just won't be happy.

My best shot would be to find a qt with the same condition, but I think that'd be truly a rare unicorn to find, especially since quite a bunch think they're men due to autism brain.

Good luck on your search for the perfect qt. Moral of the story : college fucking sucks.

Ripples make waves. Even less-desirable men calling their Chad's buddy "cuck" for dating/marrying non-virgins ad infinitum will cause them to rethink their behavior.

Chad may never stop causally fucking women, but at the very least he can be memed into not MARRYING non-virgins and that sets off the domino effect.

First things first: why the fuck are there so many pictures saved as .gif and when I click on them nothing happens, total let down.

Now, keep trying user. I have a perfect story about a "virgin" that my buddy married, and IF I had known I would have told him not to marry her.

Friend is about 23 at the time and she was 22, they got married after dating for a year. She is the daughter of a pastor, and had never had VAGINAL sex with anybody, but she had done plenty of anal before hand. But she was "totally a virgin", to herself.

Now on to the worst part of this short story:
She even broke up with my buddy for a week, to have anal sex which I didn't know until after they were married, but he knew.

t. the Feds

TRULY, WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?

Sounds like you're projecting a bit, there.
I've already shown restraint and avoided having sex with sluts even at a time when I had less restraint than I do now. I know I'm still young, and I have many more years to come where my restraint will be put to the test, but I'm wise beyond my years and I have a feeling that my resolve will only harden further.
During highschool, I wasn't really proud of being a virgin, and at times I thought I wanted to just fuck some dumb slut, and lose my virginity.
But it never happened, because the few attempts I made to fuck girls in highschool, I quickly backed out, mainly just from being disgusted at the girls. Multiple girls got very angry with me after I first acted interested and then changed my mind, sort of like I was being the male equivalent of a cock-tease, but it was out of genuine indecisiveness and me genuinely losing any feelings of attraction I had, no matter how much my friends pressured me, or how much I pressured myself to have sex with a girl in highschool. On that note, weirdly, even though I was slightly bothered by being a virgin a few years ago, my friends in school seemed far more bothered by it than me, and relentlessly pushed me to have sex with the various slutty women who showed interest in me. But I never caved, and I still argue with my friends about these things, and I often tell them that I disapprove of their promiscuous behavior.
If I was going to lose my virginity to a casual sex encounter, then I think it would've been during that period of time that I would've had my moment of weakness.
Now, I am proud to be a virgin man who has restraint, and I am firm in my decision that I won't have sex until I meet the woman that I am absolutely certain will be my wife for life.
I'm not 100% certain that I will meet that virgin woman that I'm comfortable having as my wife and the mother of my children, not to mention that of course she'd have to find me suitable as a husband and father of her children (but I have confidence that I'd be worthy of what I want). And I'm willing to go my whole life as a wizard, if I never do meet a woman who is wife material for me. I will spread the word that men should follow my example, that being a virgin is something to be proud of, and that it's a precious thing that you should only share with the woman who will be your life-long partner. Maybe many other men will follow the same path, and refuse to settle for used women. If thousands upon thousands of men united in their refusal to accept used-goods, under the banner of "NO HYMEN, NO DIAMOND", then we could really force a change in this world.
I don't need non-marital sex for anything. I only stand to gain problems from having casual sex. Among my worst nightmares, are contracting a life-long STD, or worse, getting a woman pregnant who is not worthy to be my wife or the mother of my children. I will not take even a slight risk of those things, for something as pointless as getting my dick wet. And why would I do that when I can just fap?
On that last note, I know porn/fapping is degenerate, and I am often disgusted by the whores in pornography (but fapping is far less degenerate than having casual sex with used whores). The main reason for why I bring that up, is to admit that I have some vices to work past as well.

ive pretty much overcome this, but why do i have this naggling voice in my head that encourages me to not talk to women?

I have no reason to project. The reason they make fun of you is because it is natural for men to want to fuck women and you haven't and don't seem to want to, they will more than likely start to assume you're a repressed homosexual behind your back in a couple years.

If you always keep such a strict standard, that standard will continue to get more rigid as you get older, and I don't mean just sex, I mean many other things that you haven't given thought to at this point in time but you may in the future.

My point that I want to make, is never put women on a pedestal, that no real woman will ever be able to meet that standard. If you want to die a virgin that is fine, but you will have produced nothing for society after you die or "help the race" if you don't have kids. Getting pussy is not a problem at all, for anybody, there is some woman out there that will fuck that dude that nobody thinks will ever get laid. Finding a woman who is worth your time is what is hard, but like I said, virgins are not gaining in surplus, only dwindling, and they have been rapidly for decades.

If your mother had sex before your father, is your dad a beta-cuck loser who isn't helping the race or is your mom a decent woman who maybe had 1-2 cocks before your father?

(Also, break up your long wall of text, it makes it over difficult to read and follow when it is structured like that).

Sounds like you've given up on women all together, don't do that. As much virtue signaling that is going on in this thread, we have to recover the white demographic somehow, bitching about it online only does so much while having kids is the ultimate win and to do that you need a wife first.

nah, this was years ago. i dont have that problem now, but im curious as to why i had it in the first place.

Probably you were seeing women want to have their cake and eat it to, and realizing many were full of shit.

any success? i am kind of an immature guy and get nervous around girls my age because i have no experience (they expect some kind of uber chad pimp demeanor from me because i am in my late 20s).

the last time i had a conversation with a girl outside of my family that lasted longer than a minute was when i was 13

My friends never really mocked me for being a virgin, they simply pressed me to have sex with girls. Which I think was partly because of their own insecurity. Most people who find out (usually from me telling them) that I'm a virgin seem to show me respect for it.

I'm not really an unrealistic standard to want a virgin girl, even for a guy who's not very attractive. I'm willing to make compromises in other areas. I don't mind if she isn't physically perfect, or if she's not as smart as me, or if she enjoys stupid books/films/etc. (as all women do). I know that might seem contradicted by the fact that I broke up with my previous girlfriend I mentioned earlier, but she was by no means perfect either, even though I still hold the opinion that she was the best girl I've met so far, easily the best wife material. I don't have an impossible ideal.

Why do you think it's so vital for a white man to pop out a couple white kids, at any cost? These women who show no restraint in having sex, are statistically proven to have far more divorces than virgin girls (obviously increasing, the more non-marital partners they've had). And it's likely that this relatively small number of children will then grow up to be promiscuous fools themselves.

And, all of this stuff about saving the white race, while I do care a lot about it.. I'm simply not willing to accept the misery of having a wife that I don't really love, who didn't show the same restraint from having sex that I did, and who is likely to be disloyal and impart that foolishness and promiscuity onto the children (both with passing on her genes, and with direct influence).

I will be nobody's fool. If my choice was to either man up and marry a non-virgin, or let the white race die, well, sorry white race, but I won't commit that act of self-sacrifice. Now, in addition to that, consider the fact that I don't think it'll help much to just create another meager amount of white children who probably won't even turn out as good as I did. Maybe now you can see why I feel little motivation to settle for used goods.

It's not just about what's best for the white race, but what's also the best for me. But I also think that remaining a virgin, and demanding a virgin wife and nothing less, is also what's best for the white race, despite your assertions

Like I said earlier, if thousands of men did what I do, and refused to accept non-virgin women, women would be forced to comply. I'll lead by example.

First: thank you for breaking your text, much easier to follow along.

I'm not telling you to go out and sleep with any and all women you can get your hands on, sex with a woman you don't really care about is not anywhere near as enjoyable as with a woman you do.

Raising your kids to be proper people is what is important, genes matters a lot, as Holla Forums will agree but just having a kid, who is white, doesn't mean shit if you don't raise them properly.

Part of being a father and a man is raising kids to be respectable and setting a good example for your kids will do that. If that is your goal, then you could always adopt some poor white kids and raise them as a father yourself, without a woman if you never find one that you are seeking.

I suppose we all have a part to play user.

I normally did space my posts out that way, but I've seen a lot of people complaining about "reddit spacing" so I figured that people prefer it to be formatted in the more compact, no-spacing way, so I got more into the habit of doing that. But I agree that without spacing it made it hard to read, so if that gets me accused of "reddit spacing" then so be it, I suppose.

Yes, but the problem is that virginity is a great signal for a woman who shows restraint and will be a good mother to your children. I don't think I'd ever be able to truly love a woman, if she was my first, but she had been with another man before. The nagging doubts and second-thoughts would never cease. The only way I could truly feel safe giving my love to a woman, is if we're both virgins, and we only have sex with eachother and nobody else.

Yeah, that's a big part of why I never want to compromise. If I ever have children, I would one day (when they're old enough) want to tell them that the only woman I ever "made love" to was their mother, and that they should save their virginity for the one they really love, whether they're a boy or a girl. I could never honestly say that to my future children, if either I or my wife weren't virgins before we married.

I've often considered that option, because whether I find the woman I'm seeking or not, I know I would be a good father. But, I'm sure there are countless extra challenges that come with raising adopted children, as opposed to children that are biologically your own. I don't know, maybe that would present an even greater challenge than trying to find a worthy wife. In no small part because I would be a single parent. And also because being genetically related to your kids, and them looking like you, is very important for bonding.
On the other hand, I feel very bad for the children put up for adoption. They're innocent, and are usually there due to the foolishness of their biological parents. I know it would bring me great pride and satisfaction to help kids like that, and raise them to be good people who aren't promiscuous fools like their biological parents likely were. Despite the fact that I think genes are greatly important, I don't discount the importance of environment/raising children properly, either. So, you might be right, that seems like it could be a good path for me.

(replying to your previous post again because there was a part I forgot to respond to)

You're exactly right. And I've been sorta hyperbolic about calling women whores/used goods after being with one or two men. I'm not 100% certain, but I think both of my parents had each had sex a couple times before they married. And apparently they cheated on eachother while my dad was in the army, (my dad was definitely the worse offender here, he had a German girlfriend. My mom seemed to have had her one affair as revenge for my dad cheating on her, which she cried about and felt great regret over even decades later). Then they went on to stay married for another ~30 years. They recently divorced, both in their mid-50s. All things considered, they're good parents, they stayed together much longer than most marriages, and they raised me well, despite their mistakes and flaws. I do think they're decent people who made mistakes (and continue to do so..). I don't really believe that non-virgins are irredeemable, and I'm living proof that they can still be fairly good parents and raise good children, even if they've fucked around a little bit.

But I can learn from their mistakes. If they didn't do so bad, then I can do even better.

I ignore the anons who go nuts over "reddit spacing".

I'm sure you could find some white kids who look similar to you, whether in the USA or Europe that will look like yourself if you are actually willing to do such a thing. I personally don't know if I could ever adopt a kid, marrying a woman with a kid would be different, they're at least related to the woman you've married and would be half-blood related to your own kids with her, but that opens up other problems for many anons on this board.

A woman can still be "objectively" good while being "subjectively" bad to many of those on Holla Forums according to the virgin standard. This is a double edged sword as well I think, while it pushes women to remain pure, it also embitters those who have not and encourages bad behaviour. Everybody is a puzzle piece to somebody else's incomplete puzzle, I don't mean soul-mates, but that people can fit perfectly with each other even without being a virgin.

Your parents serve as good examples of mistakes that can be made and non-virgins not being completely lost for the sake of society. While it may not be the shining example for what you're shooting for, they still stayed married for about 30 years and raised a Holla Forumslack. And with that bit of information I am willing to wager that it has some bearing on you wanting a virgin, and remaining a virgin, if not consciously than I'd bet subconsciously.

Is she independently wealthy or does she use them to give incredibly overpriced lessons, because there is no way that would normally be a net moneymaker. Do you make more money then she can get from dad?

I grew up around horses, had 8 at the most maybe, only 2 now. Even doing things right they're a huge moneysink. I thought the red flag about horse girls was bullshit, but the more I thought about it, the more the truth came to me. Most were harder on men then they were on horses, and women tend to me worse at training then men and tend to be more violent or are way too permissive to train them. I'm not saying they were all sluts, but damn it came close. Every girl in those families who was UNinterested in horses was more modest and more traditional and less slutty.

The only horse girls I would make an exception for are ugly as hell, and even that is not enough on it's own. They are more likely to have nice thighs if not fat, that's about it.

JUST

She still lives at home and her family has enough land to take care of them and their own small stables/field for them so the money isn't to bad. And her mom is into horses too, but not on her level. Plus her trailer and truck (96 Chevy) are old and paid for and her parents have been on the land/house for about 30 years now, they aren't rich but they have been there a while and the house cars aren't the newest.

This part of the country also isn't to bad for making money she told me for giving lessons, she said some of them are $75 an hour, but it's not for making a killing.

Best part about it all, regarding money, is she knows I have no job and has known since first date, and she offers to pay and does pay for dates every other time.

She does a hellva lot of riding competitions, her entire room was full of riding trophies and blue ribbons. I thought she did it to feel good about winning, then told me that the more competitions a horse wins the more it is worth, I still don't understand the horse world.

I would say she's fairly attractive, solid 7, though the way she dresses and acts is pretty conservative. I couldn't even tell she had 34 DD until we went to a concert outside and she had a tank-top on.

She's got 2-3 jobs right now so I'm not to worried about her trying to milk me for cash…since I don't even have 1 (still in school).

that doesn't mean anything in that context, they all dress like that.
There are definitely some good things there. That's good money for lessons. But it doesn't sound like the horse stuff is a real job. How the hell does she have 2-3 jobs?

shit, then don't worry about it. Unless she is autistic there's no way an attractive horse girl had sex only once unless she is a dyke, but obviously you're there an can judge for yourself. Best of luck to you

Everyone else, still avoid horse girls.

She also takes infrared pictures of horses and charges about 200 bucks for doing it. Which is 300 cheaper than the guy in the area, and 500 cheaper than the vet, who you'd have to take it in do to do it. And does floral stuff too sometimes.

She doesn't talk much and doesn't party. Hell she's in bed and sleep by 11 every night. I think the fact that she's quiet and has a strong relationship with her parents is a good sign. And I could tell she was not experienced at anything sexual when we finally did it.

what?

I said the same thing, I thought she was kidding. It shows possible health problems with horses and blood flow/clot problems I was told and her camera cost like 4,000. But she's paid it off already from the pictures I think.

Like I said, this area isn't to bad for making money off of horses, but not a killing. Northern Virginia has ass loads of people with money to burn.

sure sounds like it

A 30 year old house with good schools goes for between 750,000-900,000 in my area. Fucking insanity.

Why are there so many spergy MGTOW and MRA types on 8pol now?

This isn't r9k. Fuck off.

u better not lie u tremendous "not a fagit"

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To throw it out there:
Everyone is assumed to be a man on the internet.
If you call yourself a girl, especially in the early 2000s in internet communities or message boards, proof will be demanded. So it is either, provide proof (a picture) or be dismissed as a guy who is trying to socially manipulate people. The camwhores and the like who crave attention are just verified to be women.