9/9 Prison Strike

kill yourself faggot

This is fucking amazing. The organizers behind this are so cool.

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BOY IF YOU DON'T

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I legitimately cannot tell if you're Holla Forums or tumblr

either way fuck off

Guys this is an obvious troll, relax

Besides the main thing is that they are protesting cruel and unusual punishment and slave labor, not the sentencing

So hyped for this strike, going to spam the shit out of all my social media accounts with coverage of it.

Do you realize what this will mean if they are successfully. If the absolute most politically weak denegrated workers can successfully organize in this country it means ANYONE CAN!!!!!

Top kek

I like your optimism. It reminds me of happier days.

all prisoners are political prisoners

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No I'm serious please guide me

Obviously not all prisoners are political prisoners. Some people happen to be in prison because they're actually really shitty people. If you really want to argue that confessed serial child rapist murderers are political prisoners, go right ahead.

"I literally can't even"
Don't you fags have any better arguments?

Can't pay the time, don't do the crime.

My most recent post

Stop being such an attention whore.

Also,(in the U.S.) you don't get imprisoned for being a pedophile, you get imprisoned for being a pedophile that molests children or possesses child pornagraphy.

Read the anons you are replying to :

Not every prisoner is a pedophile or a murderer, some are in prison for victimless crimes like using drugs, and some are political prisoners. If the U.S. gov catch wikileaks guy they will at least put him in prison for telling the truth.

Men are convicted far more often than women for all offences. Make of that what you will…

Baiting with this flag should deserve a prison sentence.

Great news

Clearly this means that the criminal justice system is female-supremacist and discriminates against males.

Zootopia was right again!

It angers me that this particular picture is not lewd.

lel who care

The great judge conspiracy to lock up all their competition :^)

It's a reinterpretation of this animated moment in Mirai Nikki…

Don't fucking triple period me over my lack of gooktoon knowledge.

Wh-what? I'm just trying to tell you the truth of the matter as for why it's not lewd.

fucking clockwork

;_; Pls don't bully…

Alright, I'm sorry. I react very negatively to perceived slights by weebs.

bitch please
what is the point in isolating those people for a time if they just sit on their asses?
labor heals mind

I'll take gulag camp over ordinary prison any time.
at least I will be busy and time will flow faster

Exactly.

because probably at least 80-90% are rapists or murderers

then just fucking kill them and be done with it
what are you dancing around for?

In the USA?

the ones in the OP

Well, that's how it usually works. You go in for selling weed and come out as a real criminal.

meh

all of these three points are facts not feels

unless you are the borg, then you don't do the time.

What exactly is 'the time'? For stealing a bottle of water?

provide a source. Most people in US prisons are not their for raping or killing people.

Could be a chance to spread class consciousness tho…

The problem is US's prisons became a fucking industry of creating domestic cheap labor, by jailing as much possible people and making them work in Chinese tier conditions.

Speaking of which, i'm surpised the conservative crowd who is eager to pull the "They took our jobs" card don't bitch more about this.

Conservatives serve the plutocracy, the plutocracy enjoys labor as cheap and alienated as it can procur.

why do you think people go to prison?

Petty theft and drug charges.

How come retard stalinists think all historical evidence is bourgeois lies, but are happy to agree with bourgeois implementation of laws?

Conservative here, I think banishment would be a better solution than prison for career criminals.

Oh a tankie copcuck.

How original.

what do they produce?

here in eastern europe prisoners make fitness balls, toys an shiet

Electronic guidance systems for missiles, jet and helicopter parts for lockheed martin, and so on.

Why do you think people commit crimes?

is this a joke?

They also answer telephones.

workers.org/2016/08/23/u-s-prisons-and-the-struggle-against-slave-labor/#.V8Ay2O8pA0M

Last I read they made small white goods like toasters and microwaves. I guess there will be a massive variety considering the amount of prisons about.

Made in the USA means made in a prison.

That is what happens when you let porky decide whom deserves criminal punishment and how to punish those criminals.

I think the most horrifying aspect of this, though, is liberal doublethink. The same people that decree these conditions in third world factories, accept them here.

Yeah exactly; it's OK to use them as slave labour since they are criminals. Then once you have the overwhelming majority of people accepting and defending certain laws (like the stalinists in this thread) then you have all but guaranteed your cheap manufacturing based in the USA, making similar profit to if you moved production to China or Bangladesh. Jobs ARE returning to america, just not how most people imagine it.

Calling it now: they'll end unemployment by making it illegal since prisons can provide jobs.

Brother, the future is going to be like (the story, not the film) the running man.

Jobs will be so scarce that lumpens will fight to the death for a little money from the porkies.

It's easier to accept it because it's easier to believe that poor Africans have rights than it is to believe that people who do bad things have rights also.

It's more than just that. I wrote a paper on this and depending on what prison you are at and who you're contracted to, they work for companies like whole foods, Starbucks, they handle outsourced manufacturing for a lot of industries, and they sometimes even train seeing eye dogs.

The real problem is that the labor is often forced, punishable in New York at least by solitary confinement, and then it also pays very little – often less than 1 or 2 dollars an hour. And it's not like you have much else to do, and they know you still need money so they take advantage.

And don't forget, if you use that money to call your family it could cost up to $14 per minute. Let alone the markup on any goods.

America's prisons serve as an example of the bourgeoisie's endgoal-captive workers, captive consumers.

That's the needed leverage, shaming the companies. Could also bring up the pre-Abolition point that slave labor is a threat to free workers' ability to negotiate with management or find employment. Anybody got a list or infographic of companies that make or sell common consumer goods that use prison labor?

The media will ignore or distort this.

Of course they will. They are mouthpieces for bourgies.

And they wonder why Minimum wage hikes aren't effective. (As if they ever were, lol)

You can always get prison labor and not pay the full cost. Let the Government pay their food, housing, and medical.

I guess it's closer to slavery than feudalism. My great uncle was in a Soviet Gulag for 7 years. It seems kinda similar to that.

Whats wrong with prisons? Its no different than the gulag system

Prisons are not a problem in themselves, the problem is the capitalist exploitation of prisoners.
You're not supposed to make a profit out of gulag.

Can you post your paper?

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You think the prisoners participating in the strike are all enlightened marxists who understand the difference?

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People reading theory are always forming a minority, this is why the concept of vanguard party had been created in the first place. You should see evry happening like this an occasion to spread class consciousness…

It's garbage and I wrote it for a theology course, so it has all sorts of religious undertones which isn't so hot on here.

Around half of US inmates in the federal prison system are there for violent offences. Around 10% of Inmates in state prison are there for violent offences.

Consider what is considered a violent offence though

Yes but beside the tone, are you providing reliable data? And should i discuss about prisons industrial complex with a conservative, it can be great to have something which would be not immediatly dismissed as commie propaganda.

Not every pedophile is a criminal, and the overwhelming majority never hurt any children.

Our society's laws are fucked on a plethora of levels.

What are the rules for driving up to a prison to show solidarity anyway?

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ffs the fetish comes from real children in the first place. enabling pedos like you is at best going to help the cp industry and at worst is going to normalize children being raped cause of an apologetic system

I want to cum inside Jill Stein

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Right On

end your life

I'm on mobile, can somebody post a youtube link to this?

youtube.com/watch?v=X2zuOXYwK0U

iwoc.noblogs.org/join/

"Personal feelings about crime aside, the interests of workers and the working class are bound together with the interests of prisoners. In fact, those who truly would like to see crime diminish should work for prisoner-worker solidarity, empowering prisoners and expanding the labor market, widening opportunities and prosperity that pose as a real alternative to crime."

Thanks

FOOKING THIS!

almost makes me want to start an organization called Communists Against Gulags. CAG.

This.
I don't think they should be making license plates or working for PRIVATE companies.. I think they should be cleaning up the sides of highways and put to other manual labor (the ones that are able) for the betterment of society.

And unpaid. But get them out in the sunshine and working, rather than sitting in a cell all day.

one guy with a stolen phone.

The problem with not letting them keep the value of their labor is that it incentives the state to use them to plug their budget holes caused by tax cuts to porky.

I think every non violent offender should keep their wages. And for violent offenders their wages need to go to their victims, NOT THE STATE.

Also don't even let the state be a third party to the transaction. The reason why we have such ridiculous child support laws is that the state collects interest on the child support while they hold it in escrow.

Because collecting membership dues is more important than keeping people out of prison in the first place.

Because collecting membership dues is more important than keeping people out of prison in the first place.

Gulag this shit

fixed it

They should ALL keep the full value of their labor, if they even want to work.
How the fuck is it not considered slavery to force people to work for nothing?

First of all, a lot of pedos don't look at real CP. /loli/ exists for a reason, although unfortunately it's still illegal in plenty of places.

I think people have a lot of misconceptions about how pedophilia affects people mentally. To start with, pedophiles are really no different to anyone else. As a child you have dreams and aspirations, you want to contribute to society and you want to be a good person who does good things. When you hit puberty you realize you're attracted to kids. Puberty is a confusing and stressful period at the best of times, but it's infinitely worse when every bit of information you can find is telling you that you're doomed to be an evil monster who will rape kids and be loathed by society for your very existence. It's difficult to overstate how damaging that is to a teenager's sanity. From then on it's typically a long spiral of depression, self-loathing, anger towards society, and most of all a crippling fear of ever speaking to anyone about it.

The reason why kids end up getting raped isn't just pedophilia. Billions of straight men go their whole lives without raping any women, and there are plenty of kissless perma-virgins on /r9k/ and wizardchan who aren't going on rape sprees either. Sexual attraction alone is not enough to drive someone to break the most basic ethics and taboos of society. There have to be additional mental health problems, and unfortunately as I've explained, those problems are almost ubiquitous among pedophiles because of the way society talks about pedophilia.

A mentally healthy person finds it easy to control their impulses. They have amibitions to focus on and they have the mental fortitude to forgo momentary pleasure for long-term success. They have positive role models they can look to and emulate, and they have people around them who they can talk to about their feelings and receive support from.

A pedophile typically has little or none of that. The future is bleak and hopeless - the best possible outcome is a lonely, loveless life, but there's the constant fear of being found out and ostracized or lynched by society. There are no positive role models, because the only pedophiles you ever hear about are the ones who have been arrested. There is no support from friends or family because if they ever found out they'd likely go to the police. Even mental health practitioners generally can't guarantee doctor-patient confidentiality for pedophiles. Add in the afore-mentioned depression and anger at society, and you have the perfect recipe for an individual with poor self control. Threats of prison or even death aren't effective because they really have nothing to lose. Suicide is constantly at the back of their minds anyway. Pain isn't a deterrent to someone whose life is already full of pain.

If you actually want to reduce or eliminate child abuse, you need to offer young pedophiles a chance to find peace with themselves and society and live normal lives. You need to be telling them "yes you're a pedophile, but that doesn't mean you're dangerous or a criminal. We still want you to be a part of our society." The attached image is Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The more of those needs you can meet, working up from the bottom, the happier and less dangerous someone is going to be.

If you want to read more, there's a ton of academic references here:
b4uact.org/know-the-facts/

Honestly, I see no problem allowing them to integrate into society as long as they stay with 2d want material.

3d cp and child abuse should be an execution sentence or life incarceration at the gulag tbqh.

Wank* ducking ottocorrect

Well, as I have said, punishments don't work as a deterrent until society offers them something more appealing than suicide.

Not advocating punishment.

I'm saying that we should remove child abusers and exploiters from our society.

From the little info I've seen on the matter, they do not get rehabilitated. Punitive measures don't work, etc. And apart from asylums or prisons there really isn't a way to exile them.

So are the Lumpen gaining class consciousness then?

Almost all of the people looking at 3D CP could definitely be rehabilitated. All of the current attempts to rehabilitate people have employed thoroughly discredited methods such as aversion "therapy". You have to remember that those people haven't actually hurt any children - they are no more guilty of supporting child abuse than a random pirate is guilty of supporting Hollywood. Honestly I think most of them would love to turn their lives around if society just have them a chance to reintegrate.

Even child abusers might be able to be reintegrated with proper mental health care. At the very least we should try our best. Keep them in secure facilities of course, but focus on therapy rather than torture.

As for the death penalty, I oppose it as a punishment but everyone should have the right to voluntarily end their own lives in a painless way. There is no sense in keeping people locked up in prison when they'd rather just quit life entirely.

Agree with your last statement.

Don't know about the rest, do you have any reading or viewing materiel to share to back up your stance? If I am wrong, and I may be, I'd love to see some facts and figures to show me the right path.

It had previously been my (very vague and basic) understanding that sex offenders in general, overwhelmingly did not get rehabilitated. Pedophiles even less so.

First of all the usual definition of "rehabilitated" is very wrong. Generally when a sex offender is released on parole they will be arrested for "re-offending" if they so much as look at some loli drawings - even in countries where those drawings are otherwise legal. The effectiveness of treatments is typically measured by testing how aroused the individual gets when shown pictures of children.

I can't cite any sources because, to my knowledge, the methods I propose have never been tried. Nobody has ever tried to encourage them to accept their pedophilia and manage it by masturbating to fictional material. All of the current approaches treat pedophilia as the "disease" to be cured rather than recognizing that the problem is one of depression, self-hatred and social isolation.

It's possible I'm wrong since most of my ideas about treatments are based on my own introspection and attempts at self-therapy. I don't think it could do any harm to try though. As you say, the current standard "treatments" are utterly ineffective even when measured against their own flawed goals.

Ah, I agree with.

I joke about America being more barbaric than third world shitholes, but you guys are really trying your best to achieve it.

You seems to think than punishment is something else than refined revenge. It's based on resentment, of course it has to be barbaric.

No, actually I understand that punishment is just barbaric revenge. I have a very poor opinion of all human societies. None the less, there are different levels of barbarism and slavery is considerably worse than simple imprisonment.

Frankly, I think long-term imprisonment is more cruel than execution. Especially as regards violent psychopaths and others who are beyond rehabilitation. But I have some pretty off-kilter views about death.

Death has to be voluntary. If they think it's less cruel, let them pick that option.

Once again though, America manages to make it needlessly cruel. They even go as far as to include a paralyzing agent in the lethal injection to hide the fact that the victim is frequently dying in agony.

"Boo hoo this is slave labor"

Anyway, that aside, most people in US prisons are there for non-violent offenses - mostly related to drugs which should never be illegal in the first place.

Even ignoring that, using prisoners for slave labor still creates a perverse incentive and leads to corruption and people being wrongly convicted or receiving unjustly long sentences.

I just wish all the fucking tankies here would kill themselves.

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Relatively few prisoners today are locked up for drug offenses. At the end of 2013 the state prison population was about 1.3 million. Fifty-three percent were serving time for violent crimes such as murder, robbery, rape or aggravated assault, according to the BJS. Nineteen percent were in for property crimes such as burglary, car theft or fraud. Another 11% had been convicted of weapons offenses, drunken driving or other public-order violations.

That leaves about 16%, or 208,000 people, incarcerated for drug crimes. Of those, less than a quarter were in for mere possession. The rest were in for trafficking and other crimes.

wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-mass-incarceration-1456184736

I can guarantee you that half of them started their prison tenure by getting caught with drugs or a stolen Hershey's bar as a teenager, and most of the rest didn't rape or kill anyone.

Prison turns you from a delinquent into a hardened thug. It's why recidivism of crime is so damn high in the US. They offer no way for people to actually redeem themselves.

Nice try, faggot, but this is only based on current offense served when the boom in prison population started after the "War on Drugs" and mandatory prison sentencing. Swaths of people went to prison for drug violations, turned into hardened criminals and committed more crime when they got out. This is why recidivism rates in the US are extremely high: drug offenses are just the start of their long rep sheets.

There is also the fact that only a third of state and federal prisoners are black, which makes sense when factoring in difference in socioeconomic status. When factored in solely among whites, the US still has a massive prison population.

In case you really want to start the genetics argument, take a look at the male vs. female prisoner ratios too and see how such resultant policies would not be kind to you.

rare.us/story/no-mass-incarceration-isnt-a-myth/

Fuck off m8. The quote was appropriate and is correct.

Ah yes, "If there's a racial difference, it's due to racism…somehow. QED". Are consumption patterns different? Are blacks more likely to be smoking pot outside while whites do so from their parent's basement?

Also you do know that police love possession charges because they're far easier to prove than any other crime, right? How many crimes get bargained down to possession simply because it's easier to prove Trayvon was holding drugs than it is to prove that he was trafficking them?

The extreme disparity in arrest rates cannot be accounted for with such simple variables. It is not so much as police intentionally arrest blacks as much as they just don't care if anyone breaks the law in nice, safe neighborhoods unless one of the residents is actually harmed in the process.

If you don't actually have proof of a statement, keep it to yourself. The statistics he cited hold up to scrutiny according to data from law enforcement.

What is it then? Phases of the moon? The tides? We couldn't prove that leaded gas was the reason behind everyone having lead in their blood every intellectually honest scientist thought so. And when they banned it sure as shit it disappeared from everyone's blood stream.

Do you have ANY studies to back this up

I mean if this is your threshold you can explain anything away. Like it's not due to racism it due to black people not being able to swim. Which I'm sure is your level of intellect.

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The labor unions have taken to collecting dues from prisoners instead of keeping them out of prison.