So you plan to go up against at the very least 569.3 billion dollars of the finest military equipment and personnel money can buy? +Allies
Violent overthrow of the borg is not going happen. We need new ideas about how to bring about the revolution.
Similarity, do also intend to go up against the ingrained institution parties of western government? Do you have a spare $120,108,804 to go up against Hillary Clinton?
Voting is also out of the question.
What will you do?
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Wait.
Capitalism will destroy itself. The time to strike is when the system is weak and struggling.
We steal a nuke and blow up Wall Street
Yes.
Maybe that was an option before the massive environmental collapse that looms.
Or the ever intensifying grip of the borg on what is now almost all of the world. The only military rivalry to this borg is various other kinds of borg some better some worse. Still borg.
It will be too late if we wait. The time IS now, the system IS crumbling. It is always crumbling, every ten or 15 years its just does a debt reshuffle and presents the idea that is isn't crumbling, all the while using the this artificial bubble to increase military influence.
The 'recovery' from 2007 has been WEAK and shows signs of dropping back into recession.
State your extended plan to achieve this goal
an army of the people can never be defeated bruh
And how will we raise such an army?
the taliban have been doing it for 15 years now
and winning
"Historically, all reactionary forces on the verge of extinction invariably conduct a last desperate struggle against the revolutionary forces, and some revolutionaries are apt to be deluded for a time by this phenomenon of outward strength but inner weakness, failing to grasp the essential fact that the enemy is nearing extinction while they themselves are approaching victory."
and your first move as Lenin 2.0 is…
perhaps actually organizing instead of being an armchair defeatist :^)
Hello, CIA.
Since I have sleeper agents practically everywhere, my first goal would be to contact them, using secure connection protocols. Apparently, Tails and i2p are the way to go. Crypto-Anarchists are actually useful here, but it's fucking hard to explain to them that Stalinism is what they need. I guess, the best choice is to simply rename things and call Planned Economy - Coordinated Economy; kolkhozs - agrarian Anarcho-coops; and so on. It's not like they'll ever suspect anything.
Second step would be formation of the world-wide Vanguard Party (Disorganized Node-based Anarchy), with extensive organization capabilities (probably, some sort of crypto-currency as a means of exchange and potential finance instrument will be introduced at this point). Basically, begin providing service as an alternative to bourgeois governments and corporations.
Third step would be creation of local chapters that will begin to exercise the will of the Vanguard, slowly displacing local authorities and gaining support of the larger population. Quantitative changes.
Fourth step - transition to qualitative changes. You know the drill: take over the infrastructure and take out the command structure.
top tier shitpost
How are you organising
Pssht…………
Ok
Come on we cant think of anything else but voting or violence? Really? I think we can
Subversion?
at the moment I'm just working on getting in touch with socialists in my area (there's little to no socialist presence since I live in a pretty reactionary area.) If all goes well I'll help set up a Serve The People organization along the lines of the ones in several major cities
but I'm just shitposting, don't take most of what I say too seriously c;
Where dat?
What seems to be the problem? They did it during October and continued to support it afterwards.
Northeast Pennsylvania
there's a relatively new and small wobbly presence, so I'm going to go to their next meeting but that's about it as far as socialists go
trying to trick crypto-anarchists into joining your cyber-vanguard isn't going to get you very far
You still don't pass Turing test.
funny stuff
at least I got trips ;)
Well, to each his own. What else can I say?
something intelligent for once maybe? :^)
In response to "I've got trips"?
It doesn't work like that.
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I meant in general :)
but I'm tired of this pissing contest
woah there Blanqui
You are going to coup the united states?
It's like watching pancreatic cancer and Ebola duke it out.
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I thought Maoists are also tankies.
Not only they are literally running revised updated version of Stalinism, they had tank incidents - Tiananmen in 1989, for example (something Stalin didn't actually have).
Right, pancreatic cancer and colon cancer then.
Human weaponry can't do anything against Alien weaponry.
The only thing we have to worry is about the strength of our bunkers.
And don't forget about the dolphins, comrades. They - along with the nuclear bombs - are the key to the Revolution. Do not forget about them, because surely the Aliens will not.
Sent from a Secure Bunker
But we are infectious, no?
Communism is not Pandemic 2.
… Fuck, now I want a game where you spread Communism across the world.
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RIP 2012-2014. Never forget.
MLM tend to be called ultra-leftist by tankies and tankies by ultra-leftists.
Tiananmen square was more than ten years after Mao died and the Chinese state abandoned Maoism
You don't have to fight the state's security forces. Just assassinate leaders and bomb government buildings. You need to make the rulers, and would-be rulers, afraid to rule; that is, unless they enjoy having bullets pass through their skulls.
A big problem with rulers is their arrogance and confidence; they do what they do, because they feel safe to do it. They lack fear, basically. You need to make them feel fear.
I thought we called it revisionist updated. Not that I've got to the bottom of that debate to say it for certain.
Who are "ultra-leftists"? LeftCom / AnCom?
Irrelevant, by the logic of the Reformist gang.
How much time after Stalin's death had passed when Czechoslovakia happened? Khrushchev even publicly denounced Stalinism (and purged Stalinists), but it's still blamed on Stalinism.
we get a nice grab bag of insults fmro MLs, it depends on the person
to name a few yeah
And then what?
It's like October never happened.
How many leaders were assassinated? Zero.
How many buildings got bombed? Zero.
How many people were killed while storming Winter Palace? Zero. Well, six died, but that was an accident with a grenade.
Even Luttwak's ideas have more merit (despite being almost useless for Socialist Revolution).
Ancoms aren't ultras, you fucking retard.
you convinced me 10/10
Typically you'd have a reason/goal behind why you were killing and bombing in the first place.
"ultras" has never applied to anarchists. en.m.wikipedia.org
I don't feel as if there is anything beyond wishful thinking.
I mean, seriously - what would any sane (new) government to? Get better defences, not hide under bed.
Not to mention, this nonsense has nothing to do with Left. It feels like Hollywood history, except… R-right.
It's from this "V" movie, isn't it? I'm a slowpoke.
Re-introducing capitalism early this time, I see.
Strikes
Bakunin pls
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pretty PoGish tbqh lad, most US servicemen, if you provide them with a few brewskis, will openly admit that almost all branches of the US military are more than capable of fucking up a wet dream. The most impressive thing about them is really their logistics, the amount of burgers the burgers can move is astounding, they build fucking cities wherever they goand some fatcat is generally marking up 300dorra per breakfast
the most competent and experienced conventional military in the world right now is probably the russians, their doctrine is solid, they dont waste money on too much frivolous shit, and they have a lot of collective experience fighting some very fierce foes, both recently and of course in the big one.
The chinese are scary on paper but ultimately many credible peeps can attest to the fact that they are way too rigid in almost all things, they dont seem to understand how important initiative is in 3gw, much less 4gw, its the A and O really, they are acting very french from what I hear
anyhow all of this dick measuring is pretty pointless, there will never be a conventional ground war in eurasia, nukes negate almost all of this shit, and wanking on about a violent revolution is pretty pointless right now, most revolutions end very badly for everyone except a few, even without all the infiltration, meddling and 5th column color revolution psyops modernity has graced us with. You are always going to be subverted and you will always be playing right into someones hand.
revolutionary theory has to be completely rewritten by someone that is competent and has intimate knowledge of the past few decades and all the fuckery that went down, I would wager an actual revolution in our day and age would be a very different beast then how we all imagine it.
You forgot about the 7 pigs who lost their lives to the evil Communist butchers.
This. Gonna screencap it.
Simple: We Strike. If UTU and BLET alone workers all call in sick for a month, commerce stops as stores are unable to replace inventory and fresh food hits their sell-by dates. This is why Unionism grew up around the railroads (and longshoremen).
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What if it's happening right now and we dont know!?
You're not wrong, but that was always the case. Second International theorists like Parvus were already speaking about how disparity of military technology made armed insurgency impossible. In cases where the military joins us, like in the October Revolution, is different though.
I hate to hit the same old note, but organizing. And by organizing I don't mean distributing pamphlets and protesting in front of the white house, I mean things that can genuinely help fix some of our shortcomings.
As in?
Socialists, Marxists and anarchists will forever remain trapped in the past, waiting for their magical revolution.
It doesnt matter if the CIA knows your plans. What matters is what they can do about said plans.
Everything is a form of violence. Voting is violence
For
Strikes and subversion is a form of violence
Backstabbing as a risk. A lot of anarchists joined the bolsheviks often in a less-than-consensual way
Posadas go home, youre tripping on acid drunk
Did anyone make a mod for that?
Overthrowing the Tsarist Russian state didn't leave a vacuum where other countries came in, there was a successor state. The sort of shit which results in an overthrow of the US govt would likely fuck up the rest of north america (making it easy for revolutionary forces ro conquer all of north america
After a month, the logistics and other benefits decline substantially (ifnthe source of the resources and logistic trains are disrupted, which such a situation would bring about)
Honestly, civilians would win against the state. Half of americans have firearms, atleast 10% have access to millitary grade weaponry. Almost all Americans drive, and are thus motorized infantry. Combat drones are easy to mass produce and can be made by either adding remote controls to civilian vehicles or by weaponizing civilian drones.
In war, resource advantage is nothing compared to numbers advantage. For historical evidence see: Russia
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Very cool map