Always been curious what Holla Forums thinks of this man

Always been curious what Holla Forums thinks of this man.

Shining white knight for those the corporations extort and oppress or just not left enough and thus irrelevant?

Or perhaps the accelerationist view: he's spent his life tirelessly defending the capitalist system with his nefarious regulatory reforms?

Irrelevant loser IMO, just like Jill Stein. Third parties in a two party federal election are just a form of self-delusion. And these people could have been running for local seats just like B████ did, but they never even bothered. Hell, even Gary Johnson the corporate shill has more experience than Greens.

Nader has done quite a bit more with his life than simply run for president you know.

CRT back to your containment thread pls

Looks like COINTELPRO is back at it again trying to make any attempt to weaken porkies grasp on the throat of proles quixotic.

Personally I think Nader is a hero. Much of the good he was able to accomplish we still benefit from and take for granted today.

But since practically everyone gets their news and history lessons from the mainstream media, that fact is not well know.

Check out his podcast The Ralph Nader Radio hour. Really good leftist activist stuff!

I can't believe he has no computer or cell phone and still doesn't use the internet. It's impressive to consume books and newspapers daily Ralph, but you're really missing a lot of information physical media doesn't cover when you refuse to take the internet seriously.

That cuddle session interview from last weekend was a little weird though.

I'm going to stay home or write-in Hoxha. Look how Jill Stein is constantly begging B████ supporters to jump over to her party. It's proof that the Greens are useless. B████, the weak socdem, did more for them than they've ever done for themselves, and he only did it as an accident. If we had had independent mayors, governors, senators, etc. running on left-wing platforms for the past few decades, it would have put us in a much more powerful position than all of this general election wank. Better yet, just avoiding the corrupt bourgeois democracy altogether and building a serious worker's movement.

Yes good worker, it's completely useless to try to fight the power of capitalism. Completely ignore the fact that the Jill Stein is polling in fourth and the 30 percent of voters are considering a 3rd party candidate.

If a party isn't as big as the Republicans or Democrats they're completely useless, even though there is a long history of leftist thrid parties like communists and socialists forcing Dems and Repubs to change their policies out of fear of being over taken by 3rd parties.

Can't fight it, don't try, just go to work, here is some high futcrose corn syrup drink to relax with after your long day at work from your 2 part time jobs.

What's that young prole? You want labor protections and a lifestyle enjoyed by your boomer parents.

Tut tut, that'll all have to wait until after the revolution.

I totally didn't just make a post advocating fighting capitalism.

She's at 5% to 7%. Even the ayncrap shill Gary Johnson polls higher. Voters don't want a Green Party, they want a Labor Party. That's why B████ was so popular: he represented the possibility of an American labor party. This is the nature of the 2 party system. The parties that people really want get absorbed into the big Republican and Democrat blobs. Hence why Evangelicals and Fascists have to contend for power in the Republican party.

They're more afraid of outsiders creating internal factions. Jill Stein, a person getting 5% in the polls, is getting more media coverage than B████ did when he was at 45% in the polls. It's because they know she's an irrelevant amateur.

kill yourself shitposter

Pretty nice self-fulfilling prophesy you've got there. Can we get back to Ralph Nader though?

Haha yes, good worker. Definitely don't become politically engaged, that's what porky wants!

I hope you're in a state that counts write-ins. Mine sure doesn't.

He has a book that's supposed to be a guide book for people wanting to get into political activism. It's called "Civics for Democracy."

I just bought it but haven't started reading it yet. If it's half as informative as his podcast then it's probably worth it.

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Nader is the reason you can even survive a car wreck in the US. There is so, so much more to politics than elections, especially in a nation where they are entirely a spectacle.

Porky spends billions on elections to compete with other porkies.

Yes good worker, you have it all figured out. You're not stupid like those icky Jill supporters or social activists, you know there's no hope.

It's not as though americans enjoyed RAISING wages and standards of living as little as 40 years ago.

It's not as though it took porky 30 years of chipping away at the labor and legal structures that made those raising living standards possible. No no, you're too smart for all that, you know that American democracy is 100% rigged, you're too smart to let any kind of nuance to budge you.

Haha you know better than to waste your scarce free time on political engagement, here enjoy this trite first person shooter that gives you the sense of agency and power you so desperately desire.

His radio show is breddy gud.


Doesn't use a credit card either.

underrated, did a lot of good in his time, brought up impt questions by running in 00 and 04. nader didn't take as many votes in florida as bush' big brother did when he purged the voting rolls. lets place the blame for dubya and iraq firmly on the corrupt bush cabal and not this good excellent public servant.

i have no idea if my state counts write-ins but thank god for jill stein for giving me someone to vote for. i understand that raising their percentage of the nat'l vote will improve their access to federal election funding (it does exist you know) and generally raise the profile of the party in the long run. not a wasted vote imho.

Fuck off with the strawman bullshit, seriously.

It's not a straw man. Seriously whenever someone mentions activism it's shit all over.

Porky has corrupted our democracy to all hell but porky doesn't control its out come. They wouldn't spend a billion dollars on it if they did.

There's openings in porkys power. Openings that leftists have gotten through and done a lot of good. The fact that your one this chan and not being charged 50 cents a minute is proof that one of many

He also founded public citizen which is a non profit of lawyers fighting against corporations.

It's done a tone of good and I've only started scratching the surface of what they've accomplished.

I think he's done a lot of good, but I don't think he's a socialist.

He's a self proclamined "consumer advocate". I agree he's probably not a socialist but damn he uses every god damn tool available to help the proletariat.

I think the one that that struck me about all the things he advocates is his encouragement for people to sue employers and corporations.

Everyone, myself included, has this idea that you can't sue or use the legal system if you're the little guy, you need a ton of money to hire a good lawyer to get anywhere.

He has a ton of examples on his show that demonstrate how untrue that is.

How much power the average person has to sue power porky institutions like corporations, and how much corporations hate that and constantly work to undermine that power.

Maybe someone could print out Holla Forums to him

And I'm literally saying serious activism and ORGANIZATION is more important than the pathetic American Green Party.

The American Green Party is literally comprised of activists involved in their various causes and organizations on the side.

OMG just STFU already. Nobody gives a fuck that you think the Green Party doesn't meet your standard of "super serious activism and organization".

They're accomplishing things, they've raised 2 million in less than a month and now are a semi-regular fixture in the mainstream media.

The politically disengaged proletariat is WAAAY more likely to listen to an organization that has accomplished something material, then a cry baby shitposter like you.

lol how much of a cretin would you have to be to actually think this way

Top kek

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God damn it's like I'm talking to a bratty child. You gotta start somewhere.

None of the things you listed are concrete accomplishments.

Now on the ballot in 38 states, and possibly be on 48 states by the time of the election.

Nice moving of the goal posts. How is raising millions and polling 4 percent in an aggregate poll, meaning she's polling as high as 7 percent in other places not an accomplishment.

Because it's meaningless and doesn't change anything. I'm not moving goalposts, I just think an accomplishment has to actually do something.

If a labor union goes on strike and gets a raise, that's an accomplishment– and it's more than the entire American Green Party has ever accomplished.

I know it seems like dinner just appears on the table each night but I can assure you it takes time and effort from your parents to produce.

It's almost as if the Green Party is gathering strength to over come 30 years of entrenched neoliberalism.

Nah, you looked into it and it's all bullshit

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2 million dollars is nothing dude. B████ raised 2 mil in a single night.

Millions of people protest voting without even reading the party platform, who will never get involved.

Lol dude you're delusional. The American Green Party will never amount to anything.

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I find it hysterical how liberals still haven't gotten over the 2000 election.

oooh no, I got called a contrarian by someone on Holla Forums, the webforum for leftists who can't stand mainstream leftism. what will I ever do?

Yeah, I think all that is noble, but the main difference between him and most people on this board is that we want to end capitalism, and he's still trying to curb it.
That aside, I definitely say he's an ally and would probably be more open to our ideas than most politicians.

I called you contrarian because all your arguments are HUR DUR EVERYTHING THE GREEN PARTY DOES IS DUMB, I'M TO SMART TO BE INVOLVED IN POLITICS.

You're an ass-devastated liberal madly in love with an organization that has less revolutionary potential than a damn Nurses Union. The result is that you keep resorting to blatant strawman attacks on my argument, exposing you as barely different from Hillary shills. Liberalism truly is a cancer.

Nah fam, I've presented plenty of evidence to support the case for supporting the green party. Here's a re-cap

Raised 2 million

Most conservative polls put them at 4 percent

30 percent voters are considering a 3rd party

All this happened inside of a month

Historically 3rd parties don't need to win to get their platform passed into law. See how the socialist were able to goad Roosevelt to back the New Deal.

You're not arguing in good faith. You just ignore the points above a just say that's not good enough and build this strawman Green Party that has no hope of effecting change.

I'm going to continue to support the Green Party, I take neoliberal ass hats attacking me as a sign it's working.

Her platform advocates for democratically run workplaces.

You're just a crypto bigot that gets triggered by Jills recognition of institutional racism and sexism. Those things do real oppression and harm, could not care less that you think its just idpol.

Your list of "accomplishments" is still dogshit, but you have added a new argument. What you are essentially saying is that the Green Party will, through its activism, pressure the bourgeoisie government into making concessions. However, the Green Party actually has no upper hand over any other kind of political organization when it comes to this kind of activism, and in fact, it is severely limited by its goal and function of running in the federal election. A democratic, energized union movement is just as capable of pressuring the bourgeois state with plain activism, but also has the added advantage of membership dues, and the ability to call a strike. Fight for $15, as weak as it is, has actually been getting $15 minimum wage concessions in cities all across America. BLM, in spite of their lack of political theory, has been getting cities to put body cameras on cops. At the end of this election, do you REALLY THINK you'll be able to say something similar of Jill Stein and the Green Party?


So what? It's a "Green Party" first and foremost because it's trying to pander to liberals. If they're so red, why aren't they a Red Party?

kill yourself.

Also this. I think he is one of the most important people in the history of the united states and secondly only to Chomsky in terms of political importance in my lifetime.