What if marxist-leninists and anarchists came together and started a democratic government consisting of both tankies...

what if marxist-leninists and anarchists came together and started a democratic government consisting of both tankies and anarchists and everything in between ?

would it be good ?

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Some territory should just be reserved for anarchists to run it and they can be left alone. If they start going bourgeois though, purge them.

Cant we just give every anarchist a free ticket to places like canada or alaska or other buttfuck nowhere places?

How would we get anything done in a time that needs quick actions to defeat reactionaries and capitalist agents?

yeah…

that's a wonderful idea

No not gulags you idiot.

Stalinists would want to murder everyone

what do you mean "not gulags"?
where else would they go?

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This.

Think of it as a free range open air playground where they can't do harm. Then after they settle the place and organise stuff, their descendents will eventually want to join the well organised democratic marxist territories.

Gulags are for reactionaries ( ) you fool.
Anarchists are comrades and they do have real concerns. Give them some places where they can be left alone.

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This. From an ideological standpoint anarchists are actually more pure than Marxists. They want to go straight to communism without any dicking around with socialism first.

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plz

Yeah, one of them is actually communism.

Both are.

One of them is better suited for a larger society though.

anarchists btfo
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1906/12/x01.htm
they need reeducation, not breeding ground for their individual terrorism

You just had to ruin the relatively good mood. You can keep on closing the doors from anarchists, to libertarian Marxists, etc. until only Stalinists are left and you guys will be all alone.

In the end though, we lost the battle we should have won in the 20th century. We're fucked. Not even ML's can hope to challenge the bourgeois order.

ideas like this are why post-left theory exists

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What? When did I imply this?

the moment you became a special snowflake aka anarchist

I really don't get wtf you're saying.

also

Are we talking mostly sane Anarcho-Syndicalists from Catalonia (collectivisation, central planning)?

Because there is this little problem of organizing industry and some Anarchists had pretty weird ideas they were willing to murder for. I'm not on board with mandatory abolition of central government, schools, or division of labour, for example. Not until it's proven to be viable, at least.


Also, it happened before. How do you think USSR was founded?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Russian_Central_Executive_Committee

Article is incomplete, though. It lists only initial members of Executive Committee. Quite soon it was merged with Executive Committee of Peasant Deputees (108: +1 Anarchist) which puts Bolsheviks in minority (Left SR got majority), until members of Soldier Soviets (80: +2 Anarchists) joined in Nov 25.

I'm not sure why such low numbers - some accounts say that most Anarchists were opposed to centralized government in any form and were joining just to troll everyone in government.

Pure ideology, yes.

Yep. Stalin was pretty salty about Anarchist propaganda against 1905 revolution. They got better, though.

I'm sorry, but Anarchist program in 1917-1918 was an utter mess. They didn't even develop united front until 1920, IIRC. At this point many Anarchists were joining Bolshevik party already. And then Kropotkin died.

by stalins mustache, the faggotry

When I said "we", I meant the entire socialist movement.

Marxists rejecting Lenin aren't "special snowflakes" though.

This whole "special snowflakes" shit sounds fucking retarded to begin with.

WE won the battle
YOU didn't

we lost against revisionism later on, despite our comrades work
it will be easier next time around when "market socialists" will be purged and gulaged instead of tolerated and educated within the party while also having an already higher developed nation in hand

No, you were fucked to begin with when Germany's revolution failed.

said the anarchist
kek

Youre projecting your own strawman enemies on me, buddy. Im not a leninist.

Oh, sorry. I forgot Germany's revolution did indeed triumph

ITT: sectarianism

Anarchists kinda were a part of both July and October. Even the guard who is known for technically "disbanding" Constituent Assembly after Bolsheviks got boycotted there was Anarchist (but Anarchists didn't care about it since the beginning, so it's more about goals coinciding).

If I recall correct, Kropotkin was very involved in the Revolution. He just got disillusioned when the Bolsheviks took the power the did.

*they


It's more like one guy being a big baby

and for what purpose?
they're not needed, never achieved anything, talk shit constantly

and OP wanted suggestions on where to put them after a revolution
gulag is the only legitimate answer

actually OP was just asking if it would be a good idea to have anarchists and Marxists working together in a democratic government.
He never asked where to put anarchists after a revolution

nice rephrasing
still the same question, fag

No, not at all. Read that shit again

Sorry for derailing your thread, I guess.

if you're this desperate for a "win" despite being a faggot and wrong
here, have it
need to do my shopping list

Read some Solzhenytsin. That socdem is right.

I don't think they could work together. one wants the state removed. the other uses it.

Honestly, are there any actual stalinists out there anyway to unite with? I've never met one and I'm over 30. Plenty of Marxists and some anarchists, just no stalinists.

I think they only exist in the third world and in online shitholes such as Holla Forums and reddit.