Where were you when Holla Forums became "lefty"-Holla Forums

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why cant we just be friends
oh wait

Why must leftism be a monolithical spectrum that includes continuous pandering to social liberalism?

So? I consider most people to be Meatbag NPCs, dull consumerist ideologues but I must only be speaking about straight, white, middle/upper class people, right? because seeing as fags experience extra oppression they must be class-conscious allies in my struggle, there's no way oppressed minorities are a part of the same capitalist system, there's no way they don't uphold capitalism with their materialistic desires, and of course, their plight is much more valid than my own experience as an exploitated and alienated individual.

Certainly, Minorities would never be hedonist who spend their free time getting drunk and fucking everything in their way, just like Chad Thundercock, the strawman representation of capitalist consumerism that isn't really much of a strawman, once you realize that so many of us lead our lives the exact same fucking way because the unbearable disgust we get from feeling like replaceable cogs in an economy that doesn't serve our best interests is only half-way tolerable through escapism and indulging in the masturbatory experiences we're constantly being demanded to partake in by a global mediatic marketing hydra.

Fuck off, don't tell me what to do.

yeah it's almost like Holla Forums is raiding us or something

in all seriousness, Holla Forums seems to have always been shit. but im not sure where the fuck these socially conservative autists are coming from. I'd imagine we recently converted a shit ton of Holla Forumsacks to economic left, but theyre still socially right. Saying things they dont like are "idpol" half the time.
Dont get me wrong, I hate IDPOL, but its become the Holla Forums version of cuckservative and its being applied in places where it shouldnt

Seeing this socially conservative cancer clinging onto their sppoks is pretty annoying tbh

The idpol questions are genuine because people seem to believe that if you aren't forced to be socially conservative, you are forced to be socially liberal. They are mentally incapable of comprehending "do what you want".

We shouldn't answer to pol bait as much, sure, but the invasions are constant and if we start banning like pol we'll become "lefty" pol.

Since when?

Like an user said yesterday, so we are to talk about the same shit again and again and again till we die?

So, you want us to have no conection with reality, not try to communicate with normies and stay a closed community that is foreing to other people.

Classic Anarkid.

This too. I am no means socially liberal, nor am I socially conservative. the best attitude is to say "who gives a shit" and let people do their thing. wether gay or trans

And what do you do what all this knowledge, oh great wizzard of anakidism?

here's a thought
what if the socially conservative faggots are falseflagging kiddies from r/fullcommunism, trying to make it so their point that we are all "brocialists" valid

Are you implying that you, muke, or anyone else on this board does fucking anything IRL for communism? Or are you implying that I should be making a cringey, attention-whoring opinionstube channel like muke to prove to all you autists how much I know about anarchist tendencies that most of you will dismiss as lifestylism or idpol anyways because it doesn't fit into your "le new old left xDDD" seekrit club economic determinism narrative?

Just don't even try to hide your Holla Forums tendencies fam

Connecting through opinionstube though? Seems like an exercise in futility. YouTube as a "community" has an 80 IQ upper limit.

Dont dismiss OP for the color of his skin flag, that is racist.

I'm saying that knowledge not being used is useless knowledge.

Am not telling you how to use it, but at least I know I don't know enough and I do what I can without blaming others for not being the grand wizards of marxism.

Someone should edit this picture to be about using flags as an argument

The moderators in this shithole rarely ever do anything, and if they do, it is after the shit thread has been reported. Otherwise they are very happy while the board continues to drown in blatant Holla Forums shitposting.

Absolutely agree

please go

I knew you were a liberal already from your cancerous posting style, but damn.

Said the tripfag shamelessly-

Again: What makes social liberalism a prequisite for leftism? And what makes you think that refusing to be socially liberal is the same as being socially conservative? I have no particular stance towards neither attitude because I don't embrace any sort of dumb social and ideological dogmatism like that?

I literally couldn't give a shit about BLM or Gay marriage or whatever the fuck intersectional issue Social liberalism is supposed to represent. Why should I? I continue to be economically opressed by Capitalism, as does gay people and black people and transexuals and so on, and that's as far as our interests collide, that we are economically and ideologically free from exploitation, that is so our social relation to eachother and our collective relation towards labor remains free from a third-party parasite.

I don't care about what you do in private with your ass, I don't care that men don't find your obese and deformed body to be ugly… I am only concerned about what concerns our collective interest BECAUSE that's the one true common point between humans, our freedom as guaranteed by our access to safety and dignified livelihood, other than that you're on your own.

Want to talk about a spook? Solidarity is a spook, it's the biggest spook on the left, I have no obligation to feel any empathy to different forms of oppression, in fact your constant yappin' on about it makes you come off like a whiny narcissist bitch with, I either feel empathy towards you or I don't, and being a whiny narcissist bitch is one way NOT to gain any sort of empathy from anyone.

You're not wrong about that, but opinionstube bullshit is on par with doing nothing as far as I'm concerned. YouTube is a vaccuum of discussion, much like imageboards.

That being said, muke knows that I am more well-read than him. So saying that someone can't be a nihilist and have "better ideas" than him is just ridiculous and wrong. And even though it would be done purely out of vanity, that's almost enough to make me want to give a shit to show him how much of a poser with unwarranted sense of self-importance Holla Forums has given him.

BUT THINK OF THE FREE SPEECH

I fucking wonder what the source of social conservatism is…

I watch them both for entertainment. I dont think anyone, even them claim that they are some bastion of leftist theoretical development. It's just good to have some people present on the internet that aren't either smug liberals or reactionary retards.

Muke is a smug liberal tho.

Most threads about social conservatism are bait threads. Those are usually the ones that can easily get 100+ replies consistently. And 90% of the responses will be shitposting

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Sure! Ok! Start banning pol invaders! Fine by me! Then we'll start banning nihilists.. anfem shiposters… Anarkids or tankies.. .. whoever the mod thinks is shitposting…

Nice Moskow trials you got there.

You may know Das Kapital, the Conquest of Bread and Thus Spoke Zarathustra by heart and still have shit ideas. And that's because not everyone agrees with your ideology and noone has the correct ideology.

Anyway, you had to be salty.

Huh, big fucking deal. Call me when people start to praise capitalism or become huge classcucks, that's the only way for this place to become "lefty"-pol.
If seeing people being socially conservative and/or calling filthy faggots for their filthiness triggers you then maybe you should go back to reddit and stay there.

Give me your number, because that shit's already happened.

This is what already happens you deluded faggot. Just months ago some anarkiddie mod (the Makhno dindu nuffin kind, probably PricklyAutist) made a post. Some people posted why he and the other mods weren't deleting shitposting

What was his reply other than:

Flags are completely meaningless in this board, and shitposting comes from various flags. But yeah muh slippery slope.

Fuck off stupid cunt and take your shitty gf with you

This, we tottaly arnt like Holla Forums.

youtube.com/watch?v=bB1UAT73o7w

IRC tier faggotry in this ITT thread.

holy shit op is right, this is """lefty""" Holla Forums now

Nice try OP.

Yes, that is called having a civilization
Proven biological racial differences?
Good, they are. Throw the degenerates in the fucking gulag, no socialist system will accept that degenerate filth
You're on Holla Forums this is not your safespace
Yes and if you want a healthy civilization you better fucking accept them
"everyone I don't like is stupid"

Go fucking kill yourself or go back to reddit, this is Holla Forums

le ebin 2014 tumblr maymays xDDDDDD

meaningless buzzwords
"""""proven"""""
how do you do fellow leftists
you are literally telling people that this is not a safe space while demanding it be a safe space

ma nigga

This board was always against idpol, seeing it for what it is, a fucking bourgeois distraction. it's you newfag redditors who are pushing this cancer

To be fair what IS wrong with them? I'm not down with most stuff on the right, like religion and puritanism and laissez-faire economics, but the left's refusal to embrace racism means I got no choice but to stand on the right.

Thanks for keeping us informed, I'll be sure to keep that in mind.

You clearly struggle to distinguish Holla Forums shit posting from regular users.
Protip: look at the flags

Is your contempt for others really so strong that you can't set it aside to make common ground?

You are probably impossible to cooperate with anyway.

Nothing, nobody said that you retard.

Nothing, that's not what OP nor the person you're replying to is complaining about.

Nobody was talking about solidarity until you opened your mouth you shit-tongued monkey. Also, class solidarity at least have some pretty strong roots in "not a spook" territory, if only because it's very certainly in the self interest of the proletariat to stand in solidarity.

You're part of the fucking problem you fucker, your incessant shitting about how you are so above idpol and social liberalism, without even reading to see if the people you're replying to or the rest of the thread are talking about or expressing anything like idpol or social liberalism shits up the discussion and the board. Shut the fuck up or fuck off will you?

Two options to interpreting what you mean here, either it's
In which case:
Fuck off, people who read more theory are more likely to be correct in their political analysis than people who only read Harry Potter. Political ideologies isn't something you sip over dinner and make a decision over whether you want the same for dinner when the Stefensons visit next weekend. It's an actual philosophical pursuit. If you actually read a fucking book in your lifetime you might have realized this.
Or you might be meaning
In which case:
Fuck off, read a fucking book sometime will you? It's painfully obvious that you don't know fucking shit about politics.

So what, idpol is this huge problem when it's the liberals who do it, but when it's the conservatives it's just a bit of plain ol' fun? Fuck off, social conservatism is as much of a fucking poison to leftism as social liberalism.

Grow the fuck up, who gives a fucking shit about muh racial purity? Make one fucking case for why I should care about the genetics of my offspring?

Forgot to quote your post in

Who the fuck actually thought this was a vanguard and not for shitposting? Serious question.

What is there left to say ? You are describing yourself as racist. Making it an essential part of yourself. I don´t see a problem when a white guy wants to fuck an asian gurl and the other way around. Simply put if race is such important part of your worldview, why not go for classic Not Socialism ?

A bunch of fucking Holla Forumscucks are trying desperately to hold on to their stupid spooks. I hope they either leave or start shutting the fuck up. They are shitting up the board so fucking hard with their trash memes

What's wrong with having an all-white neighbourhood?

I mean sure who cares, but who cares about the ethnicity of your neighborhood when there's still means of production to seize?
Like, I really honestly don't think a lot of people will give a fucking damn if you organize an all white commune, once necessities for life are socialized and democratized. Why not just work towards liberation for all, so that the filthy shitskins won't WANT to ruin your perfect white neighborhood?

This is probably the outcome of the "let's convert Holla Forums and the alt-right!" strategy.

Some of the idiots who would be spamming muslim rape statistics everywhere have been "converted" and became some type of pseudo-Leninists. And color me shocked, they're not any better in the Left than they were in the Right.

Liberal Logic 101

gotchu

You can work towards both.

Leftists always go apeshit when that happens, eg small volkisch towns popping up in Germany.

But they will want to ruin it. And there is no reason to work on their behalf when they would never do the same for us… and for that matter don't really work at all if they can leech off us.

wordfilter 'socially conservative' to 'reactionary'?

n1x will love it, but if you make one that goes like "but i see here that you have a flag I dont like"

BO you are a faggot but yes please do it. Also filter "degeneracy" to "fun".

Why is n1x such a flaming little nigger

He's the best poster on leftypol

eat shit

The Not Socialism filter does a pretty good job of killing certain kinds of nazi thread, but yeah.

Please filter degeneracy to fun. I will honestly give you money for this.

I second this motion

filter degeneracy to "fun"
and degenerates to "people who know how to have fun"
do it faggot

I think "coward" or "spooked" would be better word filters for socially conservative tbh.

IDK, the degeneracy meme doesn't seem to be shitting this place up very much.

check any thread on lgbt issues, its used multiple times. i think it warrants some action

Its not that its shitting it up. Its just the fact of it would be funny, you know. Like it just filters to fun.

Your fucked in the head

It'll be fun m8.

Degeneracy = fun
Degenerates = people who like to have fun

Do it.

alright I did it, even though I kind of like the begeneracy meme

Oh sorry, forget I replied, I didn't realize I was dealing with a literal reactionary.

Sounds degenerate.

Do it fun stuff=fun

fun fun fun stuff

degeneracy

Fucking degenerates and your fun stuff.

degenerate

degenerates
degeneracy

did bo filter fun stuff back. oh my god

nvm

Bo is a degenerated

well shit. BO, filter degenerated to fun person

Economically left and social conservative is LITERALLY fascism.

They were never converted in the first place.

Degenerates

Degeneracy

Ok that is pretty funny.

S ocially conservative is actually reactionary?

degenerates

degenerate scum!!!

degeneracy

Shut the fuck up N1x you were never welcome here. You've been bitching about this shit for almost year now. We didn't like you then and we don't like you know. Now fuck off and take your little lesbian girlfriend with you.

I'm a degenerate and I like fun stuff.

This. The faggot wants to turn this place into a Dead Channel.

Wow fuck you buddy I bet you're little

Degenerate (D-ate)
Degeneracy (D-acy)
Social conservative (S-Cons)

Just tell n1x to show bones and call him a faggot or something. Honestly the reason these bait threads and shit go on so long is because you faggots can't just banter with the skeletons or anfems.

Show us your pdfs

Seems like it really got bad since B████ endorsed Hillary.

My pet theory is that a bunch of B████ supporters have returned to being alienated from politics.

And now that Trump almost certain to lose a bunch of former pol ys have tried to distance themselves from white nativisim.

Kek. You're fucking pathetic. I know you only shitpost when your feelings are hurt.

I've known n1x for a long time. I use to feel bad for him. Until I realized how cancerous he was.

Where did I say sexual potency. I was talking about height.

Not that poster but you told us you were different to all the other hypocrites. Completely unsurprised to see you're just the same.

Oh fuck I joked about manlets

M8 just call him, or the anfem or whoever else pisses you off, a faggot and shit on post-left or something. You're on a taiwanese finger painting board and you should shitpost instead of trying to argue like you're on a serious discussion forum or whatever. Or make a thread about something you'd like to talk about.

read zizek

Listen OP, and various other people in this thread. If you don't like what people are saying, instead of making a thread whining about it, why don't you engage them and try to debate with them? if you don't think that would be effective, then get the fuck off this board, you individual who supposedly has effective things to be doing motherfucker, this thread isn't helpful either.
and you picture is dumb as shit.

You're pretty obviously a Holla Forums invader yourself if you seriously suggest trying to convince Holla Forumsyps, so just fuck off will you?
Holla Forumsyps won't ever be beneficial to any political cause they identify with.
Whining to whom? We're pretty much just saying outright that we're fed up with you and your bullshit.

this thread isn't about Holla Forums, and you're an idiot. the OP mentions people supporting Syriza and Corbyn. and following Xexizy's youtube channel. Does this sound like Holla Forums? if it does, you're an idiot. but you're an idiot regardless.
as per whining, it's still whining even if the answer to your question is "no one" and you're an idiot. I'm not from Holla Forums, and you're an idiot.

OP says we are BECOMING pol, by doing this, AKA by forming a more stable community that produces stuff for export and does not recycle itself for ever and ever.

And this somehow is a bad thing!

Fam not every nihilist flag is me anymore.

this. You fags need to learn to not take yourselves, or me, so seriously. I certainly don't. The fact that you often can't handle any criticisms of Holla Forums itself really says a lot. At the end of the day this board is nothing more than a community of "leftist" identified individuals. You're not an org and will never influence the class struggle through your half-assed ideological, political critique of the concrete logic of the capitalist machine.

Shut up and show them bones faggot.

Agreed

The anti-idpol shit has gone too far. It went from "nuh uh, we don't give a shit about sexuality and gender, we're not liberals" to "I literally hate trannies, gays, women, blacks and muslims".

I recommend reading "Identity politics and the left" by Eric Hobsbawm, we need to go back to the mindset promoted by this text, not becoming Holla Forums lite

PDF?

Class reductionist. You are good as Holla Forumsyp if you put anything else on equal or higher priority than class politics.

fugging exactlyyyyyy

He didn't say anything like that. why do you think he did?

because

By caring too much.

I'm hoping this board becomes a majority Useful Idiotist eventually. Then it'd be the only place on the internet that can truly claim to be politically incorrect.

Godspeed

Ha! Nice wordfilter. It seems we've got a way to go

I don't understand what you mean. you should elaborate, rather than posting indiscernible one line snark. you're trying to engage with other people, right?

Nobody likes sweaty sock nazis

Hobsbawn is based tbh

You're taking polyp shitposters as resident posters.

That said, was it really necessary to bumplock the BLM thread? Far worse threads are left to shit up the front page. Like this one.

I feel like the Zizek quote is missing 90% of the argument that ought to accompany it. where does Zizek explain further, and what work by Deleuze is he referencing?

Anybody who listens to Zizek seriously should be executed tbh

From "Contingency, Hegemony, Universality "

thanks for the Deleuze citation tho.

This thread should stay.

Why don't you read the book?

don't get salty. I'm sorry if I was impolite

Class reductionist pls leave. Vanguard has no use for your kind.

Stop Larping, Fag.

It's because white people are subverting the left as always. Get a skin tone check or something in place for this board and watch the Holla Forumscancer wither away.

Don't false flag dude

Are all of you fucking retarded? You guys don't even know what social conservatism is!
Social conservatism =! cultural conservatism

Social conservatism is when the state as an institution is used to promote and preserve social, traditional and cultural practices or values. It's what conservative liberals tend to be. Cultural conservatism is a type of attitude that favors the way of tradition and heritage over newer ways

You fucks also confuse social liberalism for cultural liberalism. Social liberalism is the economic capitalist arrangement mostly lived today with social welfare programs and with more of a focus on social issues. It is an evolution from classical liberalism

Cultural liberalism is the attitude the believes people should be able to do as they please despite the existing cultural norms etc.

Censoring the term social conservatism is as stupid as censoring the term neoliberalism.

Fucking yanks, I wish I could strangle you

Holla Forums is mostly brown actually.

not really it's mostly cumskins

No it's mostly browns with jewish last names.

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Like a penis.

I don't know if this is falseflag or bait, but I unironically agree with this

It would drastically improve the board quality

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thats exactly right nerd

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

perhaps the same could be said of all Cantonese knitting boards

Kek

This.

For a place that claims they don't give a fuck about idpol, they sure spend way too much time talking about it.

Yep

more like co/intl/pro.

no, you fucking kys

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It seems obvious to me that Holla Forums has started false-flagging here on a huge scale, and it's made other decent posters who used to provide the bulk of our decent content leave.

We can combat it by simply starting good threads, making good contributions, and encouraging mods to remove obvious bullshit. I think mods were scared of being labelled torture chamberers and safe-spacers like on Holla Forums but the reality is that its gone too far, its become a shitposting central here.

If the quality here bothers you, make it good again. Bump good threads, make quality contributions, and make our community what we want it to be. We can't just give up. This place is what it is in virtue of its posters.

You're right, but the use of the phrase "actually reactionary" doesn't really have anything to do with Social conservatism.
It's just the edgy leftist anti-thesis to the "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" meme, where they just flipped the terms.

read bordiga

I support it

what?
if anything most of the userbase are spooked "muh egalitarian utopia" anarkids like yourself

Red, brown and yellow wings here, son.

Thus do be honeste familia

"Culture" is an anthropological term, fam. It has no actual meaning in politics that cannot be described better elsewhere.

It'll fix so much. Pls do it.

shit forgot to turn off my shitposting flag

I know this. I'm just saying that when ppl say "social liberalism" or "social conservatism", they're actually referring to the terms of "cultural liberalism" and "cultural conservatism". It's just what they're called. No leftist is socially liberal.

Truelly our comrades

Language here gets so minced that it's hard to even discern what people actually mean. Most leftists don't care about race, sexual orientation, etc, but many have no problem with violence against the ruling class, which is not very "liberal".

Where?

Oh, yet I know.Leftists aren't liberals, and this is why they cannot be socially liberal. Social liberalism is capitalist ideology. I blame the stupid yanks for this shit.

you know he's right

Everything that has literally anything to do with women, gays, etc, is immediately dismissed as "idpol". Because they are completely unable to understand how these things are part of the class struggle and in doing so they turn class itself into not real contradictions underneath the movement of history, but an identity.

I've been saying it for over a year that this board is destined for failure, and here we are. Doesn't help that most of you faggots are anti-intellectual fucks who don't care about theory because "LOL SO PRETENTIOUS WHAT ABOUT THE WORKERS??!? XD". Congrats, this is the level of discourse you deserve. Now go back to not-reading Marx and sucking Xexizy's underage dick.

You're a joke fam.

Fuck off and die

Fucking reactionary. Get off my board.

Daily Reminder that this is the truth.

Considering you faggots do nothing but slide every thread that could lead to action with circlejerking you don't even deserve to have a job that supports you, let alone a board for autofellatio.

All people who know their shit have long ago given up on this shit place as the people here enjoy to take bait more than actually talk theory.

Preference of Holla Forums threads:
Bait
IRC/flag/trip circljerking
Theory
Everything else
Anything constructive

There you go.

I support this post.

HAHAHAHA. Apparently I was a fool. The revolution starts right here on Holla Forums! How easy and clear it all is to me now!

Read Adorno's Marginalia to Theory and Praxis, mong. You fucking faggot, what we need now more than ever is theory.

How? How? Where the fuck is Marx's polemic against "homophobia"? It doesn't exist because it actually has *nothing* to do with class struggle.

Why weren't Lenin and Trotsky blowing each other? How come Engels never took it up the ass? Why did Homosexuality as "central to class struggle" not exist anywhere as a concept until all the other types of idpol started pouring out of the festering assholes of Western "socialists"?
Why did the first century of Marxists never fly the rainbow flag?

LGBT agitation isn't central to anything, it's one (1) tactic of fomenting social unrest. That's all it is.

What an insufferable post epitomizing everything wrong with the left. How about I don't read any of that and you go and hang yourself?

But Holla Forums is a safe space amirite.

They just keep banning those porn spam from twitter normies and don't have different flags with meme ideologies so they are all the same and have the same opinions.

Who are you quoting?

Most non-argument ever

In regards to all those "leftists" who are hostile towards LGBT, racial minorities, refugees, etc…, I'm gonna go head and assume you are not in any sort of serious political organization.

If these leftists are not organizing, their racist ideas will never, ever, influence the working class. Not even through social media.

Nothing to worry about here, guys.

THIS

Rebel for the status quo detected

Holla Forums is best board

I'm an executive council member of my local Labour Party branch and I berate all the old aloof middle-class parlour liberals there for being ineffectual SJWs all the time when the brow beaten older working class members are too afraid to call them out.

I'll be approving county council candidates after the Labour leadership contest has concluded. I've already voted for Corbyn obviously.

Go choke on a bag of black cocks you faggot.

Dude would you all relax? He was clearly talking about the 'leftists' that are actively hostile towards minority groups

Reminder that Holla Forums is just what happens when you take a bunch of leftists and have Holla Forums give them a lecture on what it means to be "SJW" (read: not going around ranting about niggers and kikes, calling trans people mentally ill, and insisting fat people all need to commit suicide)

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traps are great and a scarce resource, we need more of them

I can only speak for myself here
In trying to form my political views, I've found that pop-politics are shit, and that Holla Forums was an open door into obscure shit nobody wants to talk about

But one get easily tired of the childish dajews and muhrace of Holla Forums. I started lurking here so much because Holla Forums is full of shit, but I have nowhere else to go. I like that people here at least attempt to talk about actual authors and shit, but (at least since i came here) you see people openly bashing identity politics and tumblr-tier social justice.

I can only think that lots of people get tired of Holla Forums's shit.

I highly doubt anyone gets any of their opinions from me, that's fucking hilarious.

So, what, you're doing this to actively promote racism and homophobia? Why? You some kinda idpol faggot?

Which Pierre on YouTube are you? I recently added a Pierre Tabernak. Is that you

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