THE FIRE RISES, BROTHER!

Half the anglosphere seems to think that social democracy is socialism and the other half wants to achieve socialism through parliament.

Not too optimistic about this.

We're in a better place than we were even 10 years ago though, when the entire anglosphere didn't even tolerate people calling themselves socialists. Interest in social democracy is a start, it's a gateway to more radical ideas.

Tbh if we get to a point where the right wing is just social democracy that will be a major step forward.

Its a start.

It represents a dramatic shift to the left. Everyday people want nationalized railways, they want to support worker's movements, they want to get engaged in local politics. Everyday people are saying outright that private business is bullshit and they're calling out the lack of democracy in politics today.

This is a turbulent environment ripe for revolutionary movement. Its not revolutionary yet, sure, but it has potential.

I guess you're right. Let's just hope that when these half-assed attempts at socialism inevitably fail people will see the need for revolutionary measures.

'Socialism'

C'mon. Most the people that have joined Labour are just Social Democrats. They'd think Socialism was Communism becuase of the seazing of the means of production…

Most people who've joined Labour are, like most people in general, politically illiterate. They don't know what social democracy, socialism or communism even are, really. That's not what matters.

Do you really expect the average worker to have a grasp of the difference between these ideologies? Of course they don't. They see what is wrong with their world, they come up with answers. This is what matters. The demands they are making. This is a dramatic shift to the left. This is revolutionary potential - "potential" is the key word. It must be harnessed, it must be educated, it must be made properly revolutionary.

I understand that it's good people are turning over to the Left but they are still on the very soft left of Social Democracy. They can see that the system is doing them in but they don't want to come out of the system. They just want Capitalism with a human face.

Many people within the Labour party are just soft-core Liberals such as students and the likes, I only know one or two actual Socialists in the Labour party and the rest coin themselves as they see fit. It is potential, of course, but the question is if we can actually make an impact on them and shift them over to Socialism and Communism.

Just becuase they hold the views of Social Democracy, dosen't mean that they will be so easily swayed over to our side. There is still a lot of stigma and bourgeois dogmatism against our cause.

That's exactly why getting into the Labour party, talking sense about socialism, and convincing people is essential. In short; entryism.

36% favourable.
32% unfavourable.

33% favourable.
39% unfavourable.

Probably never with these numbers.
For a revolution to happen you would need massive support, not just a half-half split like it is right now.

I have tried this before believe it or not. Me and my local Communist Party sometimes tag along at Labour meetings (they don't seem to mind which is surprising considering they expell most Communists at the door to divert bad reputation) and most the people in there are dense to it.

I've sat in pubs with people who are on the right track but they just can't get it through their heads the abolishion of Capitalism and moving towards a Socialist society. They're all just Socdems and I am skeptical on the effectiveness of just talking to them is. I know you can't change someones mind in a couple of conversations, nevermind just one, but it is still very hard to spread Marxism when people are so reluctant to consider it or are up to their neck in propaganda.

I wouldn't put money on it. Most the left UK talk is about maintaining the NHS while unions and strike action are seen as secondary. There were less strikes in UK2015 than in the last 120 years. The idea you can strike over shit work conditions will be a distant memory soon, I fear.

Obviously we're both speaking anecdotally but I've had very different experiences. Particularly in the Momentum movement, rather than the official CLPs, there are lots of youth newly coming in to the Labour party who have strong anticapitalist sentiment and are eager to learn. Keep trying, comrade.

Thanks, it can be a bit downhearting when all you keep getting are people who dismiss you but I suppose at the end of the day you've got to soldier through to get what support you can. I hope you have some more luck also, comrade.

lol remember all the EU shills on Holla Forums before Brexit "EU is the road to socialism" "even Zizek said so".

Now fucking behold.

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT

Oh hell I just noticed.

Witnessed.

Which pawns should we get rid of first, the pawns on the left or the pawns on the right?

Two sides of the same coin. I remember when I was a fucking retard. One day I made the decision to start thinking. I think it was at about 12. I am glad I put in hard work and formed my own thoughts instead of clinging onto failed ideas and bullshit movements.

Every problem is the kings. Learn how to think spiritual baby.

What the fuck are you talking about nigger

Go read a book

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Witnessed, comrade. Lenin surely guided your posting this day

Checking your dubs, comrade.

Most important thing now is to get decent leftist MPs surrounding Corbyn. As one reformist he's no gain for the left.
As one reformist surrounded by proper socialists, its a huge gain.

kek just saw the blairties crying about this today

This image could singlehandly win back the scottish vote.

This poll most likely considers socialism to be social democracy so not for a while

Most revolts don't happen with a majority of support. A lot of times its a very angry 5% of real revolutionaries, with 20-40% of supporters and a whole bunch of fencesitters.