Holla Forums often says that the social liberals so popular today aren't leftist...

They're more in power and yes, they're social liberals after all, they are a straightforward enemy.

I speak out in defense of free speech regularly. Of course it would be easier if I wasn't banned from Holla Forums. :)

neolibrals are the enemy but i dont see why just being socially liberal is harmful, minority leadership is important so long as we dont divide into sectarian idpol

You misunderstand what social liberalism is. I'm not talking about cultural liberalism.

explain pls

Plenty of leftists take issues with those laws too. Unfortunately they are completely drowned out by idiots from tumblr who have never even heard of the proletariat.

Here's just one example. There are a few left-wingers (and liberals) in this list: reformsection5.org.uk/#?sl=4

God damn you fucking yanks…

It's wiki but it will explain pretty briefly

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_liberalism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism

thanks mate

Are you serious? Who decides what qualifies as hate speech? Is this objective or subject to revision?

That's no excuse for accepting further censorship.

I'm not excusing it. I'm just pointing it out.

You also say that you don't care. This kinda misses the point of freedom of speech. Cause once all right-think is censored then left-think will be next. Leaving only a safe space of socially liberal neoliberalism.

Yeah, that's somewhat true. The social liberals would also censor and marginalize leftists since they're a threat the entire establishment of liberal democracy, but the whole social liberal vs. conservative liberal thing doesn't concern me.

It doesn't concern me because I have nothing to do with it.

Why do reactionaries pretend to care about free speech so much when censorship is the first thing they impose when they get into power?

I'm a socialist and I take issues with hate speech laws and speech restrictions on campus, so do many professors. You don't hear the left speaking out because the real left doesn't really exist anymore, almost everybody with leftist leanings is sucked into the SJW cesspit.

"no"

Why do socialists kill millions of their own people every time they come to power?

Well a good starting point are the guys who say "muh slimes" or "muh Mexicans" or "muh Kikes" are the results of all our problems.

From there can include any reductive political treatise that is basically a thinly veiled attempt at this formula I.e.99% of all conservative media

The victims of capitalist regimes far outweigh those of the 20th century socialist experiments

Also, nice deflection ( ° ʖ °)

They don't. I mean obviously there are some prominent examples of this, but it is by no means universal. The Paris Commune, Sandanistas, and Viet Minh come to mind.

Also if you think that such behaviour is unique to socialists or left wing movements then I urge you to pick up a history book. When a new government comes to power through a revolution or civil war, they by necessity have to consolidate that power. Read Machiavelli.

I believe in struggle, that Nazis and Commies should come out and simply fight each other.

Wait a sec. are you trying to imply freeze peach should be protected ?

We think the idea of state-protected speech is farcical to begin with. The gubmint shouldn't censor people we don't like, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take it upon ourselves to oppose people with views we consider to be destructive and counter-productive.

The ability of money and influence to distort or even interrupt the transmission of ideas is far weaker than their ability to distort or interrupt the transmission of wealth. The "free market" of neoliberal fantasy is certainly an impossible construction, the "marketplace of ideas" does exist, albeit in a highly distorted form.

Take your worthless reddit meme and get the fuck off this board.
>>>/reddit/

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lol

That's because anarchism has been tentacle raped by social liberals deploying entryist tactics.

The term "freeze Peach" has no place here. It's a dumb meme popularized by liberals trying to silence people with opinions they don't like.

Free speech concerns for the right are basically

Of course, enacting speech codes isn't going to end racism, but the idea that the right views the idea of free speech as anything but a means to whip up racial hatred in order to establish an authoritarian right-wing government that will immediately start censoring things, is laughable, considering the Holla Forums obsession with degeneracy. Even so-called libertarians and ancaps are fascists when their property "rights" are threatened.

who cares?
I think most people here agree that violent revolution is the only way to enact socialism, so since we're already breaking a law (planning/colluding/supporting revolutionary action) why the fuck should we care if the speech is illegal?
It already is, in many cases, so were fucked anyway. Free speech is a myth of the American constitutional representative democracy.
Travel a bit, and read a book maybe, you might learn something.

Free speech is a retarded meme.
What does it even mean? That you're allowed to speak freely? Incite revolution etc.? Slander business opponents? Sell state secrets? Use trademarked language?
Would I, "under free speech", be allowed to follow you night and day and whisper "faggot" in your ear?

Nah m8, your sboogs don't work on me.

that's my fetish

Freedom of speech doesn't mean being allowed to make any kind of statement at any place at any place. It simply means to be allowed to freely express one's opinion, not at any place, and at any time, but to be allowed to express one's opinion. And if we're to talk about the wider concept of freedom of expression it includes not just speech but also art.

Free speech is when you can voice your opinion on political issues without fear of persecution. Hate speech is when you use speech as a tool of opression. They are polar opposites. If you truely want free speech you need to crack down on hatespeech.

If you want and objective description of what hatespeech is by the way, I will refer you to linguistics and philosophy of language.

What do you guys think about this? I know some of you will probably call me a SJW cuck etc but I feel like this crosses my line

youtu.be/IYtDgvjwPTw?t=10s

Katie Hopkins' piece in particular (she even calls them 'cockroaches' which is not featured here)

To me that does seem like fascistic incitement to genocide.

youtube.com/watch?v=7YCu5B6AMoQ

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from direct action.

What do you mean with direct action?

speak shit get hit

This pretty much.

Is criticizing certain aspects of third-wave feminism oppression of women? Is precise criticism of Islam anti-Arab racism? Is criticism of some of the policies of Israel anti-Semitism?
I don't think it's as clear cut as you'd like it to be.

There's a clear difference between challenging people's ideas and disallowing them from expressing them

You're acting like these are some objective qualities that separate "hate speech" and "free speech" when there realy isn't.Censorships laws are easy to abuse and incredibly subjective. Someone with radical beliefs shouldn't support censorship laws. Whatever effects that far-sighted will probably end up biting us in the ass. In most people's minds we're practically the same thing anyway because we aren't part of the middle ground. This sudden support of censorship by the modern "left" is just utterly repulsive and moronic.

Nah, but rape threats, inciting a racewar among your redneck buttbudies, and conspiracytheories that label an entire race as the evil, thoise are hatespeech, also terribly reactionary and they only serve the current elite keeping status quo while middleclass is at eachothers throats.

There is free speech, at least in my country.
People get told to fuck off if they're being retards - they then think that is their freedom of speech being trampled on.
Cry more faggots, if we didn't have free speech you'd be in a god damn gulag

I can see the rationale behind the practice of 'No Platforming'. Undercutting any attempts by reactionaries, whether they be conservative speakers at a college, to influence public opinion is important. I'm less happy about instances of google and facebook censoring conservative opinions because of how well they are able to do it and how little people seem to care. It's not as if most leftist ideas aren't in opposition or even offensive to many different liberal positions. It's just that the segment of the anti-capitalist left is just too small to bother with.

If we were actually a threat, we'd see plenty more oppression as has happened in the past and is happening now.

I regulary do. In fact as a poster on /r/anarchism I went to their metanarchism board and was very consistent with asking them to not delete so much stuff and voting against people being banned for doing little other than dissenting from the majority view

Of course I was banned for "concern trolling"

This comrade gets it

The US does not have any federal or state hate speech laws. Canada does though.

Have you ever fucking been to an actual university. 99.99% of students don't give a shit about SJWs, they're a few loud mouths on a few campuses who attract lots of attention.

This is the kind of bullshit infecting the left I can't stand.

>>>/tumblr/
all speech is free speech, no matter how much we may agree

*disagree