So who are we supporting in this clusterfuck of a war?

Rojava.

The Khalifah

Rojava, as long as they don't go full-capitalist and sell out (as Donbass did).

They are mostly nationalists, but national liberation is more progressive than the radical Hobbits of ISIS or right-wing Assad.

Vlad is bourgeoisie imperialist scum and would've been persecuted by KGB as a traitor, if KGB was around.

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Like what? He is mostly propaganda.

Did he kick ISIS out of Syria? N-nope.
Did he kick Nazis out of Ukraine? N-nope.
Did he kick Saakashvili out of Georgia? N-nope.
Did he kick US/EU out of Russia? N-nope.

If you look at finance and economy, Russia is firmly pro-US.

These are the only two non-meme options.

Well going by those standards anyone that isn't North Korea and possibly Iran/Venezuela is "firmly pro-US"

Rojava obviously.

If you haven't reached this conclusion yet, Holla Forums is probably a little much beyond you

Come back in a week

Because they are. That obviously includes Venezuela. I don't care much for rhetorics of Bolivarians.

Which is why you should look at the actual Socialism being implemented. Does it outweigh support of the Capitalist world?

In Putin's case it obviously doesn't. He is not Socialist in any way.

Rojava.

bait

what happened with Donbass? i never really supported the separatists in ukraine anyway since it was obvious that outside of the genuine communists who only made up a fraction, they are mostly pawns being used by putin for his own nationalist goals

only if you're so retarded as to look at the colored marked regions mass instead of population density
government is holding out strongest
either you're siding with the USA or them

I don't believe Donetsk or Luhansk were ever socialist. They just adopted Soviet trappings because Russian nationalism is fucking weird

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The Rojava aren't going to be your next bastion of Communist or Socialist thought. They're US proxies who've been funded to destabilize a local power.

I mean I don't like Assad, but out of some vague humanist thought, it seems logical to support the man who's ideology isn't "Kill all of X ethnic group" or "execute all of X faith" whenever his forces enter a town or village.

It's the US or Russia.

You can pick liberal imperialism or fascist imperialism.

The fact that fucking Islamists are stealing our memes makes me legitimately upset

The SDF is largely Kurdish and despite a few incidents they don't fight the government. This could be set to change depending on Turkey though. Besides the Kurds aren't going to fight over the whole country. They largely want to defend their turf in the north. Victory in Syria is between Assad, ISIS and the 'moderate' rebels (including Al-Qaeda)

The SDF obviously. The only Arab and Kurdish force that can stand as an alternative that's neither Bashar 'barrel bomb' Assad nor 'totally not Al-Nusra' FSA.

I still find it amusing how no one mentions that tiny grey enclave bordering Israel.

Israel clearly supports ISIS through that enclave.

It's so fucking obvious, yet no one talks about it.

This makes no sense. Rojava cannot and will not end this war. They're fighting an almost separate defensive war. They cannot 'win' this, only improve their standing slightly. And only if Assad wins through in Syria. If the ISIS or the 'moderates' win in Syria proper then Rojava will be their next target.

russia didn't start supplying clerical fascists to take over though
they're merely interested in keeping the regional stability as they were already established
military base was already there and the US only funded ground for terrorism to train and move out from there to go into russia as well

pretending that the US is the better alternative shows how little you actually understand about the conflict

good libcuck
US precision weapons are the way to go to mass murder humanely

This. If the US "wins" its Libya 2.0, aka Assad goes, the country falls into chaos, and Syria enters "lol who cares, fucking muzzies amirite" territory for the MSM when Assad's successors fight each other

I support the proles. No war but class war.

Guys in charge sold out by May 2014 and told that they are not kicking oligarchs out. And nobody put a bullet through their head.

Nope. No Putin there, I assure you. He was forced to send some token aid due to public opinion (and backroom deals with the top oligarch of Donbass), but that's it.

And Capitalists don't have "nationalist goals". Donbass is not profitable for Capitalist Russia. That's all there is to it.

That's not nationalism, kiddo. They wanted USSR, not Russia. That's like B████ claiming to be Socialist.

Russia doesn't want to have Chechen wars again (which were basically Wahhabite insurrections and ISIS alpha-version). With ISIS' having Iraq/Syria behind them things can turn pretty nasty on Caucasus. Which is why USA supported ISIS - it will also put a dent into Iran.

Humanity.

Your question is like asking which of your children you're supporting when they get in a fight.

"humanity"

Oh, please… That's a bunch of bull

3/10 - room for improvement.

A class war is happening in Syria right fucking now

The US will likely push for Rojava's independence given our relations with both Turkey and Syria-Russia

Who knows if they'll be allowed to keep their socialism

"stop fighting everybody, we're all humans! There are no reasons or material interests or interests of power at play here. We're humans."

I'm sure you really know how to solve this.

Well, the optimal outcome would be for fighting to stop. That's not going to happen though - because as you rightly point out humans are happy to murder each other over petty power struggles - so I'm just hoping for minimal suffering.

If I knew how to actually solve it (without magically forcing everyone to be reasonable) I'd be solving it - not posting on the internet. The same goes for you, I hope.

By all means though, cheer for your favorite side. I wouldn't expect anything else.

If the US pushes for Rojava independence (something even Rojava hasn't sought) then they can kiss NATO goodbye, as the turks walk minto the waiting arms of Russia. The US will much more likely sell out Rojava. But if by some miracle they don't they will tell it to not socialist. And if by some even bigger miracle Rojava is allowed to keep socialism and the US protects them from Turkey, this doesn't solve the issue in Syria. The other factions will still be fighting. So by all means, wish Rojava well. But they cannot 'win' in Syria. They're barely even in the game. Assad or jihad. pick one.

You sound like a social liberal. This fighting IS reasonable. There are powers securing their reign and preserving themselves.The same stories happen over and over again.

me too tbh dude anti imperialism lmao

Rojava. kurdish qts tbh

We must support assad the kurds are reactionary revisionists that sell out to imperialism

Rojava

FTFY

Rojava. The alternatives are fascist.

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Rojava, while not perfect its another socialist experiment to be learned from. Even if they fail some good things will last.

Anyone who thinks PYD is an American proxy has no clue. They know exactly that they will discarded as soon as they are no longer useful.

Supporting fascism in the form of Baathism because "muh legitimate government and anti imperialism" is completely blind and has shows no clue about what imperialism is. Every capitalist state acts imperialist, Iran and Russia are imperialists just like the USA. The left has nothing to gain by supporting either.

russian nationalism =/= socialism

yeah, it's bourgeois against bourgeois.

Yes, the damned nazi Assads, protecting women and minority rights, ensuring everyone has access to free healthcare and education using national resources to fund national projects…

If this is nazism then I'm all for it.

welp while Assad isn't a Nazi you still sound like helplessly in love with the state.

My inherent anti-Americanism and opposition to their hegemony in the ME leads me to have sympathy with Assad/Russia. But ideologically and morally I am Rojava all the way.

Assad isn't fascist just because you say so. The shitcunts who started the revolution are the residue of the last 'revolution' attempted in Syria. As much as this is painted as some horrific oppression, the uprising was, again, islamist in nature, led last time by the Muslim Brotherhood. You cucks have bought the western narrative on Syria.

Funfact. The 'rebels' never had more than 30% popular support. In fact their support has been much less than 30% for the majority of the 'civil' war.

You know except for the part where npn-Arabic minorities are denied citizenship. This includes the kurds in Rojava who are all without passports, except for about 200 individuals.
So yeah, like the nazis they don't care about religion.
But being Kurdish or Turkmen in Syria is not child's play.

That was never a blanket ban. There you go taking the western press at face value again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria#Citizenship

The moderate rebels of the week ie whoever the Saudi's want us to arm.

Welp I'm retarded, I thought OP was meaning the US not Holla Forums

You realize that the Viet Minh were trained and equipped by the U.S. in WW2 right?

It really doesn't matter who "we" support because the conflict is out of our hands. If it's principled support, then you may as well choose the Kurds. The truly dedicated can go fight for them, which is admirable. There's nothing admirable about fighting for Assad or Jihadists.

But there are plenty of pragmatic/practical/humanitarian reasons to support Assad.

People funded by the US can't be communists.

Edgelords. Does Russia have military basis all over Europe? Does Russia maintain propaganda lobby organisations to brainwash young politicians in Europe? Does Russia have kill-lists all arround the world which are executed by sending missiles into sovereign counties territory? Does Russia push for trade agreements on a global scale to turn everything into a consumerist dystopia?

Like, what is Russia literally doing? Trying to get rid of nationalist US proxies arround their borders not to be encircled by nukes?

Assad obviously.
You guys just really don't understand how bad Islam is.

The Kurds are taking the bait of the west, at the end of the day they are disposable tools, because Turkey is far more important than them for the US and NATO.

The Kurds must side with Assad if not they will be crushed by Russia and Turkey at the end.

Well I Stand with both of them, I despise their Nationalistic Ideas on both sides, but they can get along, cooperation! the enemy is NATO, Turkey and the US not the Syrians and Kurds.

Except the Viet-Minh were trained and equipped in the same way the Soviets were - out of desperation and necessity.

The Kurds are being trained and funded for the profit of America.

You don't think that the US are funding the YPG because they see no better options, especially since they considered the FSA before the picked up on the PYD?

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Yes, except the reasoning here isn't to ensure a better Syria or create a better situation for the people on the ground. It's part of an attempt to solidify the US hold on the region.

Yes. Cause clearly the US trained the Vietmihn out of humanitarian concern for the people on the ground.

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0.02 Rubles have been deposited in your account.

remove cuckcha Chodemonkey

I just hope that the regime and the sdf/ypg can come to agreement once they are done with isis and the "moderate" rebels.

Almost every native Rojava citizen and YPG member is a Muslim.

Fundamentalist Islam is obviously bad, but the ham-fisted approach of dictators like Assad has not "reigned it in", it has only helped it grow just like in Iran. It makes the religious conservatives seem like they are concerned for the people, which warms people up to their platform.

Left vs Right is fake bullshit. You are playing right into their shit. Nobody fucking cares about some old fucking dead dude or the 10000 page book their ego wrote.

Evolve. Think for yourself. This is like there being a competion about which music is the best and the only choices being Rock and Hip Hop. I would never listen to either genre again because people who go "NO NO, WE SHOULD DO IT LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I SAID SO!" are fucking retarded.

Grow up baby.

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maybe the litteral communists?
just a thought…
not real

WTF are you talking about?

Leftypol is with Rojava. I too want the Kurds to have a country. But for the rest of Syria.. I don't see any realistic solution, other than reinstaling Assad anymore. I'm not saying he's good or whatever. But if the alternative is ISIS or constant war…

Do you know what Aposim is?…just asking
Not necissariliy the same thing…

(also assyrians and yezidis are allies of the YPG)

Since I fucking hate sand niggers I will go with the kikes

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds#Islam

Saying they aren't twoo muslims because they aren't machete-flailing pedophiles is no different from when liberals claim the inverse.

Also, Kurds are to islam what most european christians are to christianity. "Ye, am christian on paper, but I don't realy give a fuck about religion".

Religion is no different that supporting Manchester United or something, to normal people.

kurds are mostly muslims yes…
so what…its not like the PYD has a communist approach to religion…

I want to marry a Kurdish girl!

Well Rojava obviously
(They even have Hoxhaist fighting in there, kek)

That's exactly my point. Religion is largely a matter of identity, so nitpicking about who is and is not a real member of religion X is pointless. Even Scientology has believers that disagree with the church.

Plus, most people who harp about how Islam is ideologically evil, while not wrong, get utterly buttflustered when you show them how Christianity is basically the same thing, complete with shared theological roots.