Does america have any revolutionary potential?

I'm pretty sure the mods all died.

It has plenty as the free and democratic progressive country. Left wing anarchism is the marketable ideology.

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Well, you see, you have a bunch of potentialy revolutionary people, fed up with the system, debt, low tier entertainment and so on, but the spooks are too damn high and they cannot accept socialism cause "It means big gubbermend".

It has great revolutionary potential. The objective conditions are there. But it will end up just like Germany in the 30s.

Half of it will. We need an American Civil War Round 2.

I don't know I feel like it fits.

Probably not.

Although only a socialist America can probably ensure global revolution.

What fits?

I think people are in increasing numbers starting to see through the spooks. The euphoria of post Cold War neoliberalism is finally coming back to bite people in the ass. What will make or break any revolutionary potential is whether or not the current anger and anti-establishment feelings can be directed towards class consciousness and not blaming brown people.

Well the potential for Revolution right now is still slim but not completely impossible. The younger generation is waking up though their ideas of Socialism is not what we have in mind. So you'd have to educate them.

For actual revolution there would have to be another Great Depression for I see any real massive revolts to occur.

Well! IMO the battle is already lost, as it's all about BLM, Sexism, Toilets and other ID spooks.

The socdem flag.

I think probably less than other developed countries. America has a beef between Southern Jeffersonians vs Northern Hamiltonians that is centuries old and is recycled every generation, and too much racial beefs. Conflicts that a country is incapable of outgrowing, like these, tend to absorb revolutionary fervor.

And it's important to point out that people are probably more afraid of authorities persecuting you in the US than in literally any other democratic country on Earth.

This always happens every 20 or 30 years. Don't expect anything out of it.

Russians were a bunch of dirt farmers who spent half their days crying in front of icons in 1900. Spooks fall pretty fast once the government starts falling. The fucking Spanish were blowing up churches and embracing free love during their brief revolution and once Franco got in power they went back to dropping to their knees over pieces of toast that look like the Virgin Mary. Material conditions drive society, all that stuff about spooks is personal philosophy and not a driver of the world.

The US came close in the late 60s, as did France for that matter. Capitalist successfully detourned those revolution but that doesn't mean that would happen again. One of the reasons the revolution wasn't successful was that things were going so well for most. You had "hardhats" fighting against it because their lives were pretty good in their minds at least and they were worried that the hippies would turn the US into a shithole like the USSR. Things are not going well for 90+% of us so it could very well be different this time.

Hell, Occupy could've taken off 5 years ago, in fact I think that if Bush or someone like him was in power during it, it really would have. But since we had a """""""""left-wing"""""""" black president who was popular at the time people backed off from the "tear down the government" stuff.

We're due for another financial collapse, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

The rise of Sandman says otherwise. I think there will be more like him, and even if porky tries his hardest to convince people to the contrary, the massive inequality and the existence of oligarchy is becoming increasingly obvious.

my god what a terrible post

BLM has got some potential, there's plenty of Black Socialists out there who are involved (Cornell West and Angela Davis). Pretty shitty now but it's got some good potential just like the Black movements of the 60s and 70s.

Countering sexism must be central to every liberatory movement. Without female and male liberation we would still be living shit lives.

Only rich liberals whose plants have nets to prevent suicide care about toilets, NPR doesn't even care about that shit anymore.

Yeah but don't like 60% of people under 30 now report that they don't believe capitalism is the best system? I mean their idea of socialism is basically social democracy, but that's certainly an improvement and a gateway to more radical ideas.

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Yeah S█████ was a Social Democrat who wouldn't change much (though people's lives would improve with his policies), but he lead quite a successful campaign despite every powerful person trying to take him down. S█████ (and Trump to a lesser degree) really show that global capital is starting to lose control.

Yes. Every country has revolutionary potential.

This is why anarchism is winning.

Actual anarchism sure, not post-leftism though.

reminder that only libertarian marxism can work in America.

Post-leftism is anarchism, dumbass.

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Sure kid.

They've also shown how scared porky is of people like them. Sandals supporters got to see voter suppression, possible election fraud, possible assassinations of political opponents, and outright rigging.

Does this look like an argument to you?

make an actual argument first and I might take you seriously.

Yes, but don't forget that russians didn't do it by themselves and spooks remained. Lenin had the army. Can anyone in the US get the support of the army or national guard or anything?

If you make race and sexuality the bases you don't deal with socioeconomics.
Also, it's all about the spectacle, and the spectacle of BLM is not about socialism.

I think this might be true. America actually has a storied tradition of individualist anarchism, eg Spooner, Emerson, Thoreau, Warren, et al. The key is showing the people that individualism=equality=anti-capitalism.

From a pragmatic perspective, I think this is a good way to turn the American proletariat onto leftism. Breaking down the ideological wall is the hardest part and you're right, libertarian Marxism is the way to do it. The nomenclature would have to change though. There's too much semantic baggage surrounding the words "libertarian" and "Marxist". We need new ways of talking about these ideas.

Tbh idk if S█████ was a socdem or the real deal. If he did want to establish real socialism via democratic reform then he certainly wouldn't be able to say that would he. Social democracy is the farthest you can go in the U.S. and still be taken seriously, and even then idiots still come up with all kinds of reasons why it won't work despite social democracy being quite successful in multiple countries.

This is how I became a socialist tbh. I sat down and really examined liberalism and its core tenets and realized that it was totally incompatible with capitalism.

Socialism is the logical outcome of liberalism.

The only kind of revolution that would be happening in America would be about "muh guns" not a socialist revolution

is marx-leninism even possible in america? i feel like a lot of people would oppose it because "muh ussr" and "muh gubbiment"

Not a chance, they've grown up their entire lives on neoliberal propaganda

Even a liberal like B_ S__ is considered extreme for them

Well, that's kind of what I'm saying. I'm going to generalize here but I think the generalization is an accurate one: Americans have an instinctual (ideological?) aversion to authority. Changing the dialogue to make leftism not about government but individual rights could be a way to break down the ideological wall separating the hoi polloi from the left. Individualism is the language Americans speak. So let us, as the left, become polyglots. We should be pragmatic: there will be no ML revolution in America. But there may be an individualist anarchist one if sufficient case can be made for the sanctity of individual within the collective. As I said earlier, labels matter and to much history is attached to the labels of communism or anarchism. Libertarian Socialist might be better? I don't know. This is something for a council to decide.

As much as I don't agree with Burp-up Sugardaddy, I don't think his movement was counterproductive. He's caused a lot of people people in America, including myself and
, to stop and look a little more closely at the ideological frameworks of their beliefs. Elites don't like it when the common people are introspective.

canada has more of a revolutionary potential

especially in the north all we need to do is spread communist to all those angry natives and oil workers

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To a post leftist making an argument is inherently reactionary act, it is right up there with the grave "crime" of having a coherent body of theory.

Anarchism was only winning in the '90s and early 00s. In America anyways.

Most of the silly post-left garbage is from the '90s and its brand of utopian nonsense belongs in the '90s.

It's certainly possible but it can't have Lenin's name on it

Marx can be rehabilitated over the course of a few decades

I live in Vancouver and this place is a lost cause.

that's because most of the lower class is addicted to heroin

Surely you kid

It's mostly upper class. I live in West Van but we pretty much got here by accident and we're completely broke now.