Anyone here also losing faith in a revolution?

i hope you dont unironically believe this
are you retarded?

k lol

hahahahahahaa

oh my god

its easily within the top 10

are we having a 14 year old socdem reddit invasion?

I don't see how I was wrong. I mean, we have more important matters at hand, like Trump supporters

6/10 bait

Actually most people are unhappy with the system but due to massive propaganda and manipulation they don't realize that their problems are the fault of the system itself. This is why we have idpol liberals and reactionaries. You can accuse the bourgeoisie of many things but if there's something they aren't is stupid, they know how to manipulate the masses pretty damn well.

Yes fam. Climate change is actually just a hoax made by the chinese, nothing to worry about.

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Buy Trumps supporters, I meant to say that right wing reactionaries

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they won't hapen

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I'm not a Marxist but I can still see that there has to be a more radical core than social democracy since it has failed not only to articulate a better vision of the future but also in defending the gains of the past.

sure thing. just nationalize the rails and you'll be fine bro!

better than privatizing it

Are you 17?

Yeah, UN stopped the Korean war so well ;^)

Has anybody else here become misanthropic?

I'm about a stone's throw away from unironically embracing posadism.

Not really, im well aware of the fact that there wont be a revolution here in my life time. Maybe there will be one once all of the cold war kids die off and being labeled a communist isnt like getting labeled a pedophile

People like you like to say "why hope for a revolution when people are not class concious and this and that and blah blah" yet I think the better question is, why are people who have or are about to give up on leftism still posting on a leftist forum? If you are still a leftist at heart yet do not have hope, why not actually continue despite feeling out of hope? Why would you actually ENCOURAGE people to give up?

Did anyone of you years ago even think that people who call themselves socialists get popular with voters in just a few years?

It's a big step forward so far. Would you rather have nothing at all?

to lessen the pain and disappointment, I suppose

*give up

You are only instilling pain and disappointment in people by doing this. Someone with hope wouldn't have this.

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Don't be so down! There is are vanguard parties fighting for our class. The working class is mobilizing - I see it in Canada and in the USA. The mass support for S█████, a self described socialist who based his campaign on calls for "political revolution" against the "billionaire class" expresses the left wing anti-capitalist turn of the American working class, especially the youth, and despite S█████ best efforts to drive it back to the Capitalist big business Dems it cannot be contained within the 2 party system. The class struggle is intensifying and the working class is becoming more class conscious, so don't give up. It is precisely at times like this that the class pressures to give up are at their peak.
There is no peaceful way out of this crisis. The scientists are saying the oceans will be dead by 2048. the political situation is like that in the 1930s. Nothing has been resolved.
Either the ruling class establishes a new capitalist equilibrium through imperialist war, or we establish a socialist society.
In my experience the best way to avoid succumbing to a defeatist mentality is through joining a party and surrounding yourself with likeminded comrades. If you'd like, I could share my personal experiences of party work.

Find pleasure in the act of resistance itself, we now live in pure domination and all that is in the future is just dreams. Dont wait for any masses to rise up and liberate you, liberate yourself in a direct act of resistance against everythin in the current system that restricts you off fullfilling your desires.
youtu.be/-NIK5XorGMg

no u

what about mad

if the ussr didn't abstain from the sec-council vote
their would have been no korean war

Wasn't the USSR's rep sulking in the bathroom because the rest of the countries wouldn't recognize Mao as China's leader?

It's easier to tolerate capitalism than to revolt against it. Things won't change until the shit hits the fan, wait for the next economic downturn, maybe.

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we're waiting this very moment

What is this with bait threads today?

Even trump shilling is better than this weak mess.

Political revolutions are largely a thing of the past in the current political climate.

Rather than trying to tear down the system and create a new one, us lefties ought to change the system from within however we can.

Occupy Wall Street, at least in theory, was an excellent example of this.

any defeatism results out of ideological weakness and personal failure

join a party
educate yourself
work

Fuck you.

No. I never had any faith. It's something we must do ourselves, not some shit that'll happen all on its own one day after everyone else becomes class conscious, organized, and armed for no reason so you conveniently don't have to raise a finger or risk making yourself look bad to someone.

If there's no revolution it's your fault for not organizing.

21 years ago ain't that far in the past, and also Rojava.
Rojava isn't in a fucking time warp.

Lazy slut.

Do NOT do this

Don't listen to this guy, he's a dick.

I have personal experiences with people who have that mindset (trots). They go door to door to talk about socialism, hand out newspapers, and attempt to get thier candidate on the presidental ballot (who will get like 2 votes)

It becomes like a religion

I say if your activism is having no impact other than your own enjoyment, then don't fucking do it.

That's just trotskyists. And besides, enjoying it doesn't mean its only effect is your enjoyment.

The user said that you should learn to enjoy the act of resistance if you don't feel that your activism will result in anything.

I say that you should not find any pleasure in it and only do it out of a sense of duty or because you feel it is in your best interest.

Where did he say that?

He was responding to op

No

Well why not resist better, while still enjoying it? It's not like he has to continue being useless, and I figured
implied actual action.

Perhaps. Still, I'm very skeptical of such a thing because once you view activism as anything but pure necessity for the improvement of your social condition, you open up the possibility of it devolving into some stupid leftist equivalent of hippies burning insence and farming organically. The reason that they do that useless shit is because they enjoy this very act of "saving the earth" so even if it doesn't actually save the earth (it won't) that won't intrude in thier enjoyment of it.

See what I'm worries about?

I get what you're getting at. Keep it revolution minded and it shouldn't be a problem maybe.

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whatte fuck this is the most funny thing i have read today, is this what fuckign leftists consider resistance nowaday?

Thats just setting up a false sense of hope for the results wich will 90% of the time disapoint you. Just using verry stupid means of resistance by speading party bullshit from your socdem/4th int/ML party is pure parody for activism. And even so activism is pure shit anyway, i am speaking about resistance not asking people for consent to do stuff. Doing something for the sense of duty is nationalist/christian tier at best.

user resistance is when you activily oppose the power structures that regulate your everyday life. Powerstructures like the economy and the state and society. There is no pleasure or hope in doing anything reformist or asking the state for permission to allow something and have a little board meeting with communists where you talk the same old bullshit or start a tiny commune wich will result in nothing. The best is to realize that there is no hope and that there is no future for socialism or autonomy in this everyday life. And with the realisation that we are so dominated by capitalism and that revolution will not come its the best to move into nihilism to just be honest about your current edition instead of giving yourself some fake ass hope in party politics or reformist politics like B████ ██████. Now the trick at realizing that you are fucked is not to dwell in reddit tier passive nihilism that everything is worthless and just giving up but to an active nihilist and realize that all the values with capitalism/liberalism and consumer society and reactionary's and bassicly all values are worthless BUT THEY ARE STILL ENFORCED UPON YOU. All these values, so wortless but they still get enforced upon you every single day by the power relations all around you. So to be free from all those things there remains only one thing, to destroy every single power structure and to enjoy doing it cause thats the only thing you can do in this existance over hopeless resistance. It dosnt mather what the results are of your resistance just the sure feeling of liberation of the pwoer structure while you resist it fills yourself with being liberated from the shit life you have in capitalism. Destroy everything that stands in your way and love and enjoy the act of itself. Nobody has controle over the future so its useless to depend your happynis on the future where your hopes will be fullfilled. Your hopes, dreams and pashions will never be fullfilled under this system so its pure useless to even hope. Its better to enjoy the current,no hope but only suprises in the future while you act for self liberation and have fun at it. You can only have socialism when capitalism is destroyed, so why not focus first on what we have today (capitalism) and just resist to be not bound anymore by all its enforced values and maybe we will even destroy it when shit goes down for all. Maybe afterwards its destroyed we can have socialism but that depends if we win or fail and hoping for anything will remain useless as the future will not be controlled.

Here is a little piece about it.
'' I think that it is helpful to first point out the two different types of nihilism you find in his works, the idea of passive nihilism and active nihilism. The passive nihilist is the one who could not recover from this crisis. It is a state in which a person, after having recognized that all external values are empty and have no true authority, begins to find their own internal values meaningless, giving up their own authority. With /all/ sense of authority gone one gives in to the spirit of hopelessness and fatalism, ridding themselves of all responsibility. They withdraw from the world, give up.

But it is possible (and Nietzsche argues that it is entirely desirable) that this recognition of external value systems as meaningless can give way to a sense of rebelliousness, and strength. This active nihilist seeks to destroy any and all remaining traces of an empty value system. The strength of one's will is tested by whether or not it can recognize all value systems as empty and meaningless, yet admit that these lies arise out of the ego and serve a purpose; whether one can recognize that value is necessary for life while denying the existence of any universal truth.

Nietzsche saw this nihilism as a means to achieving an end, not an end in and of itself. It is simply one step in the revaluation of values. Nihilism is a necessary to destroy what exists now in order to create a place in which the ego/the will can truly take power and assert itself fully.''

anarchy101.org/686/what-does-nietzsche-have-to-do-with-anarchism

Yes! This is pretty close to what I believe and it seems I Actually misinterpreted resistance as activism.

I appreciate you typing this my friend

No problem mate, if you wanne go a bit deeper you can check this interview with an editor of an Anarcho-Nihilist journal.
youtu.be/-NIK5XorGMg

You can check these essays of one of the main Anarcho-nihilism thinkers called Aragorn.
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/aragorn-nihilism-anarchy-and-the-21st-century
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/aragorn-anarchy-and-nihilism-consequences

And if you are youknow curiouse enought to buy a book i would heavily recommend Blessed is the Flame wich is an anarcho-nihilist introduction book on deathcamp/concentration camp resistance and its relation to Anarcho-Nihilism. (Resistance in the most hopeless situation in existance)

It also is a verry interesting history book on what happend in the camps under the nazi's. What anti resistance tactics were used and how the prisoners were like with eachother. IDPOL was actually also used in the camps to devide and conqour the prisoners. Its an interesting book.

littleblackcart.com/books/anarchy/blessed-is-the-flame/

Thank you so much. I was actually not aware that anarcho nihilism was an actual coherent ideology. This is great news since I've always been a nihilist that sometimes begrudgingly participated in left politics. Will definitely look through all the reading